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Re: NVDA Not Talking

John Isige
 

Also, you might have speech mode set to beeps somehow, that's what the high-pitched noise makes me think of. Hit NVDA-s, and speech mode will toggle between talk, beeps, and off.


My other thought is that NVDA is picking another sound card/device that's not what you're listening through. If you've got another sound device with an output hooked up, some USB microphones have headphone jacks for example, try hooking up to that and see if NVDA's coming through it. If so, you can hit ctrl-NVDA-s to get into the synthesizer settings, and change the sound device from in there.

On 1/25/2022 11:03 PM, Jackie wrote:
Hi, Steven. Just because there's speech at logon does not mean there
will be speech once the computer has started. Both options need to be
checked in 'Preferences > Settings > General'. Specifically:
"Start NVDA after I sign in" needs to be checked.

On 1/25/22, Steven Hicks <hickser@...> wrote:
Hi friends,



I Have installed the latest NVDA on my laptop.

When I start up, there is speech at the logon screen but after logging on,
there is nothing at all, no speech.

During the installation, there was no speech either which seems quite odd.

If I load up JAWS then I can use the NVDA+N and it would appear that NVDA
is
running.

I Use NVDA+Q and JAWS will read the NVDA quit screen but again, there is no
speech from NVDA itself.

When I type, there is a high pitched sound for some reason until I unload
NVDA.

I Tried uninstalling NVDA and re-installing but the same thing seems to
have
happened afterwards.

Does anyone have any ideas please?











Re: NVDA Not Talking

Jackie
 

Hi, Steven. Just because there's speech at logon does not mean there
will be speech once the computer has started. Both options need to be
checked in 'Preferences > Settings > General'. Specifically:
"Start NVDA after I sign in" needs to be checked.

On 1/25/22, Steven Hicks <hickser@...> wrote:
Hi friends,



I Have installed the latest NVDA on my laptop.

When I start up, there is speech at the logon screen but after logging on,
there is nothing at all, no speech.

During the installation, there was no speech either which seems quite odd.

If I load up JAWS then I can use the NVDA+N and it would appear that NVDA
is
running.

I Use NVDA+Q and JAWS will read the NVDA quit screen but again, there is no
speech from NVDA itself.

When I type, there is a high pitched sound for some reason until I unload
NVDA.

I Tried uninstalling NVDA and re-installing but the same thing seems to
have
happened afterwards.

Does anyone have any ideas please?










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NVDA Not Talking

Steven Hicks
 

Hi friends,

 

I Have installed the latest NVDA on my laptop.

When I start up, there is speech at the logon screen but after logging on, there is nothing at all, no speech.

During the installation, there was no speech either which seems quite odd.

If I load up JAWS then I can use the NVDA+N and it would appear that NVDA is running.

I Use NVDA+Q and JAWS will read the NVDA quit screen but again, there is no speech from NVDA itself.

When I type, there is a high pitched sound for some reason until I unload NVDA.

I Tried uninstalling NVDA and re-installing but the same thing seems to have happened afterwards.

Does anyone have any ideas please?

 

 


Re: NVDA announcing teams alerts

Sarah k Alawami
 

Is then sounds like an electron issue. Is there a work around for that? Teams is built off of the electron platform which is why I ask.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2022 8:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA announcing teams alerts

This sounds like the same kind of problem that exists in Chrome browsers. It doesn't matter what window you are in, if you are downloading a file, download progress messages are announced. There needs to be a way for screen-readers to turn off forced speech. I don't know the various ways speech can be forced but screen-readers should have ways to stop it that the user can control.


Gene

On 1/25/2022 9:53 PM, Sharad Koirala wrote:
hi,

for the sighted folks, the alerts are shown only when they are in the
teams window, but for us it is spoken even when we are in the
powerpoint window..
and thats where the problem comes.

thanks.

On 1/22/22, Martin J. Dürst <duerst@...> wrote:

On 2022-01-22 12:24, Gene via groups.io wrote:
There is no reason to believe sighted people get tired of seeing it.
They can ignore the display if they want. Sight is not necessarily
analogous to sound. A stock ticker on a web page, if a
screen-=-reader constantly speaks the updates would be so
distracting and interfere so much with listening to other content
that the page couldn't be used. A sighted person can simply not look at the ticker.
That's true to a very large extent. But sighted people are quite
sensitive to visual movement. So if the stock ticker is mostly not
changing, there's not much distraction. But if it's changing all the
time, and especially if it's changing strongly or in unexpected ways,
then it can be really quite distracting.

Regards, Martin.






Re: NVDA announcing teams alerts

Gene
 

This sounds like the same kind of problem that exists in Chrome browsers.  It doesn't matter what window you are in, if you are downloading a file, download progress messages are announced. There needs to be a way for screen-readers to turn off forced speech.  I don't know the various ways speech can be forced but screen-readers should have ways to stop it that the user can control.


Gene

On 1/25/2022 9:53 PM, Sharad Koirala wrote:
hi,

for the sighted folks, the alerts are shown only when they are in the
teams window, but for us it is spoken even when we are in the
powerpoint window..
and thats where the problem comes.

thanks.

On 1/22/22, Martin J. Dürst <duerst@...> wrote:

On 2022-01-22 12:24, Gene via groups.io wrote:
There is no reason to believe sighted people get tired of seeing it.
They can ignore the display if they want.  Sight is not necessarily
analogous to sound.  A stock ticker on a web page, if a screen-=-reader
constantly speaks the updates would be so distracting and interfere so
much with listening to other content that the page couldn't be used.  A
sighted person can simply not look at the ticker.
That's true to a very large extent. But sighted people are quite
sensitive to visual movement. So if the stock ticker is mostly not
changing, there's not much distraction. But if it's changing all the
time, and especially if it's changing strongly or in unexpected ways,
then it can be really quite distracting.

Regards, Martin.






Re: NVDA announcing teams alerts

Sharad Koirala
 

hi,

for the sighted folks, the alerts are shown only when they are in the
teams window, but for us it is spoken even when we are in the
powerpoint window..
and thats where the problem comes.

thanks.

On 1/22/22, Martin J. Dürst <duerst@...> wrote:


On 2022-01-22 12:24, Gene via groups.io wrote:
There is no reason to believe sighted people get tired of seeing it.
They can ignore the display if they want.  Sight is not necessarily
analogous to sound.  A stock ticker on a web page, if a screen-=-reader
constantly speaks the updates would be so distracting and interfere so
much with listening to other content that the page couldn't be used.  A
sighted person can simply not look at the ticker.
That's true to a very large extent. But sighted people are quite
sensitive to visual movement. So if the stock ticker is mostly not
changing, there's not much distraction. But if it's changing all the
time, and especially if it's changing strongly or in unexpected ways,
then it can be really quite distracting.

Regards, Martin.





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Re: ZOOM PRO: CAN'T SHARE SCREEN

Sarah k Alawami
 

Good, glad you   found it, also you learned a new key stroke, I think it speaks that one, if not you can look under zoom’s prefs to see if my fingers didn’t get tongue tied.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2022 11:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ZOOM PRO: CAN'T SHARE SCREEN

 

Gene, thank you so much!

 

Logging into the Zoom Website itself, I found that screen sharing had been disabled.

 

I can stop panicking now. LOL

Thanks again.

 


Re: ZOOM PRO: CAN'T SHARE SCREEN

Sarah k Alawami
 

I have a paid account and I can share screens. Not sure if it is a pro account, it’s the one with up to 100 people limit. Try the alt s key to bring up the dialogue.

 

Good luck.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2022 11:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] ZOOM PRO: CAN'T SHARE SCREEN

 

Adendum: The meeting two weeks ago where I was able to share my screen used a free Zoom account. It’s using a pro account where I can’t seem to find any controls to share my screen.

 

What could be different between free and paid that would cause this?

 


Re: ZOOM PRO: CAN'T SHARE SCREEN

Sarah k Alawami
 

Can you try alt s to share, then go through the dialogue that should in theory come up? It’s been a while since I’ve done this, I use discord for most of that now. Sorry.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2022 10:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] ZOOM PRO: CAN'T SHARE SCREEN

 

Please help! I can't find the button to share my screen during Zoom meetings!

I had no trouble doing this in the last two weeks, although I don’t recall the exact date when I last shared my screen.

 

I'm running the latest zoom under Windows 10 with NVDA. I have a Pro account, and I am the host of the meeting.

 

Before, I would simply press ALT+S and then specify what I wanted to share. But pressing ALT+S seems to do nothing now, and tabbing through the meeting controls does not take me to a Share Screen button.

 

I can't seem to find anything in my local settings or the meeting scheduling options that would affect screen sharing either.

I'm stumped, and I am giving an important presentation in two days time to sighted people, demonstrating how I navigate a Website using a screenreader.

 

Any help gratefully received.

 

Chris

P.S. I’ve also checked in Settings in both the Hotkeys and Accessibility categories, and nothing seems amiss there either.


Re: NVDA announcing Capital letters

Gene
 

I don't know how much you might want to do to pursue the problem further.  One option, which will cost money, is to get the SAPI Vocalizer voices,  You may want to try the program to see if you have the same problem.

You can find it on this page:

https://www.atguys.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=60_20

There are the methods to try to correct the problem Brian discussed and then there is this possible solution that will cost you money.  But I'm making you aware of the option, if you aren't.  And you may want to test for the problem using the SAPI demo.


Gene

On 1/25/2022 3:49 PM, Don H wrote:
Yes there are setting under the code factory entery under settings.
Same screen where you download more voices.  Nothing in the settings
here fixes the issue of saying capital.

On 1/25/2022 3:44 PM, Gene wrote:
There is a way to open settings for the add-on itself but I don't know
how you do it.  I have a guess which I will present.  To explain why
this is my guess would require explanation which isn't relevant to the
discussion.  It has to do with what the expired demo does when you try
to run it.  When you are using a vocalizer voice, try opening the
synthesizer dialog, control NVDA s, moving to the Vocalizer choice, and
pressing enter.  Does the settings dialog open?


I have an expired demo.  The only setting I can see that might possibly
apply is one for raising the pitch for capital.  As I recall, it is a
check box.  There is no say cap or say capital setting.  Maybe if you
turn on the raise pitch option, capital won't be spoken.


Gene

On 1/25/2022 3:05 PM, Chris Mullins wrote:

Hi Don

If  in the Voice Settings dialog (NVDA+Ctrl+v),you set Uppercase pitch
change to 0, Say Cap unchecked and Beep before Capitals unchecked you
say NVDA says "Capital" before capital letters but if you check the
"say Cap" checkbox, it only says "Cap", is that correct?

Does the Code Factory addon have any adjustable properties available
via the Preferences sub-menu (NVDA+n p) or in the catagories list of
the Settings dialog (NVDA+n p s)?  I'm asking these questions because
I think it's the Code Factory addon that is responsible for it saying
"Capital" and I wondered if there were any adjustable properties
governing this behaviour.

Cheers

                Chris

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*From: *Don H <mailto:lmddh50@...>
*Sent: *25 January 2022 14:21
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] NVDA announcing Capital letters

I think I started this thread and here is what I have figured out.  When

using the code Factory vocalizer addon for NVDA if you have the voice

settings to not say cap and also have the beep for caps off on my system

NVDA says the word capital before each uppercase letter.  To make this

better in my opinion I now have my voice settings set with a pitch

change on caps on zero and I have say cap on capitaleters turned on.  So

now on capital letters NVDA says cap before each uppercase letter and I

hear no pitch change on capitals.  This makes the verbage on capital

letters a little better.

I did also make it stop saying capital by adding each uppercase letter

to the default dictionary replacing each with a lowercase letter and

this resulted in only hearing a pitch change on uppercase letters but

for some reason this pitch only for uppercase letters was inconsistent

with some uppercase letters being typed not having a raised pitch.  I

removed all the enteries I made to the default dictionary.

On 1/25/2022 3:59 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Interesting, I’ll test it again, but when I’ve tried it before, I
didn’t

get beeps when I set capitals to beep.
All the best
Steve
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*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* 21 January 2022 17:08
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA announcing Capital letters
I just tested this.  It comes through the sound card.
Gene
On 1/21/2022 10:53 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
     I think this is because the beep option unhelpfully comes through
     the PC speaker, instead of your soundcard.
     Some PCs don’t have a PC speaker any more, so the beep sound
won’t

     work for them.
     I think this should be changed in NVDA.
     All the best
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     *Sent:* 20 January 2022 06:18
     *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
     *Subject:* [nvda] NVDA announcing Capital letters
     Hello,
     I have the beep option checked but I get no sound when I type.
       I try to use the tone option, but   can’t seem to choose the
        right numbers so I can use that method. I don’t hear   any
change

     in tone when caps are typed.
     I do not like the word caps spoken as I can’t hear what I am
     typing.    What am I missing?
     Marilynn



Re: NVDA announcing Capital letters

Don H
 

Yes there are setting under the code factory entery under settings.
Same screen where you download more voices. Nothing in the settings
here fixes the issue of saying capital.

On 1/25/2022 3:44 PM, Gene wrote:
There is a way to open settings for the add-on itself but I don't know
how you do it.  I have a guess which I will present.  To explain why
this is my guess would require explanation which isn't relevant to the
discussion.  It has to do with what the expired demo does when you try
to run it.  When you are using a vocalizer voice, try opening the
synthesizer dialog, control NVDA s, moving to the Vocalizer choice, and
pressing enter.  Does the settings dialog open?


I have an expired demo.  The only setting I can see that might possibly
apply is one for raising the pitch for capital.  As I recall, it is a
check box.  There is no say cap or say capital setting.  Maybe if you
turn on the raise pitch option, capital won't be spoken.


Gene

On 1/25/2022 3:05 PM, Chris Mullins wrote:

Hi Don

If  in the Voice Settings dialog (NVDA+Ctrl+v),you set Uppercase pitch
change to 0, Say Cap unchecked and Beep before Capitals unchecked you
say NVDA says "Capital" before capital letters but if you check the
"say Cap" checkbox, it only says "Cap", is that correct?

Does the Code Factory addon have any adjustable properties available
via the Preferences sub-menu (NVDA+n p) or in the catagories list of
the Settings dialog (NVDA+n p s)?  I'm asking these questions because
I think it's the Code Factory addon that is responsible for it saying
"Capital" and I wondered if there were any adjustable properties
governing this behaviour.

Cheers

                Chris

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*From: *Don H <mailto:lmddh50@...>
*Sent: *25 January 2022 14:21
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] NVDA announcing Capital letters

I think I started this thread and here is what I have figured out.  When

using the code Factory vocalizer addon for NVDA if you have the voice

settings to not say cap and also have the beep for caps off on my system

NVDA says the word capital before each uppercase letter.  To make this

better in my opinion I now have my voice settings set with a pitch

change on caps on zero and I have say cap on capitaleters turned on.  So

now on capital letters NVDA says cap before each uppercase letter and I

hear no pitch change on capitals.  This makes the verbage on capital

letters a little better.

I did also make it stop saying capital by adding each uppercase letter

to the default dictionary replacing each with a lowercase letter and

this resulted in only hearing a pitch change on uppercase letters but

for some reason this pitch only for uppercase letters was inconsistent

with some uppercase letters being typed not having a raised pitch.  I

removed all the enteries I made to the default dictionary.

On 1/25/2022 3:59 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Interesting, I’ll test it again, but when I’ve tried it before, I didn’t
get beeps when I set capitals to beep.
All the best
Steve
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*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* 21 January 2022 17:08
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA announcing Capital letters
I just tested this.  It comes through the sound card.
Gene
On 1/21/2022 10:53 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
     I think this is because the beep option unhelpfully comes through
     the PC speaker, instead of your soundcard.
     Some PCs don’t have a PC speaker any more, so the beep sound won’t
     work for them.
     I think this should be changed in NVDA.
     All the best
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<nvda@nvda.groups.io> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
     *Marilyn and Don Bilderback
     *Sent:* 20 January 2022 06:18
     *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
     *Subject:* [nvda] NVDA announcing Capital letters
     Hello,
     I have the beep option checked but I get no sound when I type.
       I try to use the tone option, but   can’t seem to choose the
        right numbers so I can use that method. I don’t hear   any change
     in tone when caps are typed.
     I do not like the word caps spoken as I can’t hear what I am
     typing.    What am I missing?
     Marilynn


Re: NVDA announcing Capital letters

Gene
 

There is a way to open settings for the add-on itself but I don't know how you do it.  I have a guess which I will present.  To explain why this is my guess would require explanation which isn't relevant to the discussion.  It has to do with what the expired demo does when you try to run it.  When you are using a vocalizer voice, try opening the synthesizer dialog, control NVDA s, moving to the Vocalizer choice, and pressing enter.  Does the settings dialog open? 


I have an expired demo.  The only setting I can see that might possibly apply is one for raising the pitch for capital.  As I recall, it is a check box.  There is no say cap or say capital setting.  Maybe if you turn on the raise pitch option, capital won't be spoken.


Gene

On 1/25/2022 3:05 PM, Chris Mullins wrote:

Hi Don

If  in the Voice Settings dialog (NVDA+Ctrl+v),you set Uppercase pitch change to 0, Say Cap unchecked and Beep before Capitals unchecked you say NVDA says "Capital" before capital letters but if you check the "say Cap" checkbox, it only says "Cap", is that correct?

 

Does the Code Factory addon have any adjustable properties available via the Preferences sub-menu (NVDA+n p) or in the catagories list of the Settings dialog (NVDA+n p s)?  I'm asking these questions because I think it's the Code Factory addon that is responsible for it saying "Capital" and I wondered if there were any adjustable properties governing this behaviour. 

 

Cheers

                Chris

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Don H
Sent: 25 January 2022 14:21
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA announcing Capital letters

 

I think I started this thread and here is what I have figured out.  When

using the code Factory vocalizer addon for NVDA if you have the voice

settings to not say cap and also have the beep for caps off on my system

NVDA says the word capital before each uppercase letter.  To make this

better in my opinion I now have my voice settings set with a pitch

change on caps on zero and I have say cap on capitaleters turned on.  So

now on capital letters NVDA says cap before each uppercase letter and I

hear no pitch change on capitals.  This makes the verbage on capital

letters a little better.

I did also make it stop saying capital by adding each uppercase letter

to the default dictionary replacing each with a lowercase letter and

this resulted in only hearing a pitch change on uppercase letters but

for some reason this pitch only for uppercase letters was inconsistent

with some uppercase letters being typed not having a raised pitch.  I

removed all the enteries I made to the default dictionary.

 

On 1/25/2022 3:59 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

> Interesting, I’ll test it again, but when I’ve tried it before, I didn’t

> get beeps when I set capitals to beep.

> All the best

> Steve

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> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gene

> *Sent:* 21 January 2022 17:08

> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io

> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA announcing Capital letters

> I just tested this.  It comes through the sound card.

> Gene

> On 1/21/2022 10:53 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

>     I think this is because the beep option unhelpfully comes through

>     the PC speaker, instead of your soundcard.

>     Some PCs don’t have a PC speaker any more, so the beep sound won’t

>     work for them.

>     I think this should be changed in NVDA.

>     All the best

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>     *Sent:* 20 January 2022 06:18

>     *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>     *Subject:* [nvda] NVDA announcing Capital letters

>     Hello,

>     I have the beep option checked but I get no sound when I type.

>       I try to use the tone option, but   can’t seem to choose the

>        right numbers so I can use that method. I don’t hear   any change

>     in tone when caps are typed.

>     I do not like the word caps spoken as I can’t hear what I am

>     typing.    What am I missing?

>     Marilynn

>

 

 

 

 

 


Re: NVDA announcing Capital letters

Don H
 

Again this is happening on a Win 10 system running NVDA and the code
Gactory vocalizer/eloquince addon for NVDA. Both Win 10 and NVDA are
the latest released versions.
I have the Code Factory Vocalizer selected as my speech syn and Nathon
High quality as my voice. I have the voice settings set as follows
pitch change on capitals set at zero
Say cap for capital letters checked
beep for capital letters unchecked.
This gives the result of the word cap being spoken before each uppercase
letter. There is no pitch change on uppercase letters
With the say cap on capitals unchecked as I had it before NVDA says the
whole word capital before each uppercase letter.
So having the say cap option checked and the pitch change set to zero I
get less verbage on uppercase letters.

On 1/25/2022 3:05 PM, Chris Mullins wrote:
Hi Don

If  in the Voice Settings dialog (NVDA+Ctrl+v),you set Uppercase pitch
change to 0, Say Cap unchecked and Beep before Capitals unchecked you
say NVDA says "Capital" before capital letters but if you check the "say
Cap" checkbox, it only says "Cap", is that correct?

Does the Code Factory addon have any adjustable properties available via
the Preferences sub-menu (NVDA+n p) or in the catagories list of the
Settings dialog (NVDA+n p s)?  I'm asking these questions because I
think it's the Code Factory addon that is responsible for it saying
"Capital" and I wondered if there were any adjustable properties
governing this behaviour.

Cheers

                Chris

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

*From: *Don H <mailto:lmddh50@...>
*Sent: *25 January 2022 14:21
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] NVDA announcing Capital letters

I think I started this thread and here is what I have figured out.  When

using the code Factory vocalizer addon for NVDA if you have the voice

settings to not say cap and also have the beep for caps off on my system

NVDA says the word capital before each uppercase letter.  To make this

better in my opinion I now have my voice settings set with a pitch

change on caps on zero and I have say cap on capitaleters turned on.  So

now on capital letters NVDA says cap before each uppercase letter and I

hear no pitch change on capitals.  This makes the verbage on capital

letters a little better.

I did also make it stop saying capital by adding each uppercase letter

to the default dictionary replacing each with a lowercase letter and

this resulted in only hearing a pitch change on uppercase letters but

for some reason this pitch only for uppercase letters was inconsistent

with some uppercase letters being typed not having a raised pitch.  I

removed all the enteries I made to the default dictionary.

On 1/25/2022 3:59 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

> Interesting, I’ll test it again, but when I’ve tried it before, I didn’t

> get beeps when I set capitals to beep.

>

> All the best

>

>

> Steve

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> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gene

> *Sent:* 21 January 2022 17:08

> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io

> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA announcing Capital letters

>

> I just tested this.  It comes through the sound card.

>

> Gene

>

> On 1/21/2022 10:53 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

>

>     I think this is because the beep option unhelpfully comes through

>     the PC speaker, instead of your soundcard.

>

>     Some PCs don’t have a PC speaker any more, so the beep sound won’t

>     work for them.

>

>     I think this should be changed in NVDA.

>

>     All the best

>

>

>     Steve

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>     *Marilyn and Don Bilderback

>     *Sent:* 20 January 2022 06:18

>     *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>     *Subject:* [nvda] NVDA announcing Capital letters

>

>     Hello,

>

>     I have the beep option checked but I get no sound when I type.

>

>       I try to use the tone option, but   can’t seem to choose the

>        right numbers so I can use that method. I don’t hear   any change

>     in tone when caps are typed.

>

>     I do not like the word caps spoken as I can’t hear what I am

>     typing.    What am I missing?

>

>     Marilynn

>

>


Re: NVDA announcing Capital letters

Chris Mullins
 

Hi Don

If  in the Voice Settings dialog (NVDA+Ctrl+v),you set Uppercase pitch change to 0, Say Cap unchecked and Beep before Capitals unchecked you say NVDA says "Capital" before capital letters but if you check the "say Cap" checkbox, it only says "Cap", is that correct?

 

Does the Code Factory addon have any adjustable properties available via the Preferences sub-menu (NVDA+n p) or in the catagories list of the Settings dialog (NVDA+n p s)?  I'm asking these questions because I think it's the Code Factory addon that is responsible for it saying "Capital" and I wondered if there were any adjustable properties governing this behaviour. 

 

Cheers

                Chris

 

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From: Don H
Sent: 25 January 2022 14:21
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA announcing Capital letters

 

I think I started this thread and here is what I have figured out.  When

using the code Factory vocalizer addon for NVDA if you have the voice

settings to not say cap and also have the beep for caps off on my system

NVDA says the word capital before each uppercase letter.  To make this

better in my opinion I now have my voice settings set with a pitch

change on caps on zero and I have say cap on capitaleters turned on.  So

now on capital letters NVDA says cap before each uppercase letter and I

hear no pitch change on capitals.  This makes the verbage on capital

letters a little better.

I did also make it stop saying capital by adding each uppercase letter

to the default dictionary replacing each with a lowercase letter and

this resulted in only hearing a pitch change on uppercase letters but

for some reason this pitch only for uppercase letters was inconsistent

with some uppercase letters being typed not having a raised pitch.  I

removed all the enteries I made to the default dictionary.

 

On 1/25/2022 3:59 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

> Interesting, I’ll test it again, but when I’ve tried it before, I didn’t

> get beeps when I set capitals to beep.

> All the best

> Steve

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> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gene

> *Sent:* 21 January 2022 17:08

> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io

> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA announcing Capital letters

> I just tested this.  It comes through the sound card.

> Gene

> On 1/21/2022 10:53 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

>     I think this is because the beep option unhelpfully comes through

>     the PC speaker, instead of your soundcard.

>     Some PCs don’t have a PC speaker any more, so the beep sound won’t

>     work for them.

>     I think this should be changed in NVDA.

>     All the best

>     Steve

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>     *Marilyn and Don Bilderback

>     *Sent:* 20 January 2022 06:18

>     *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>     *Subject:* [nvda] NVDA announcing Capital letters

>     Hello,

>     I have the beep option checked but I get no sound when I type.

>       I try to use the tone option, but   can’t seem to choose the

>        right numbers so I can use that method. I don’t hear   any change

>     in tone when caps are typed.

>     I do not like the word caps spoken as I can’t hear what I am

>     typing.    What am I missing?

>     Marilynn

>

 

 

 

 

 


Re: ZOOM PRO: CAN'T SHARE SCREEN

Chris Smart
 

Gene, thank you so much!

 

Logging into the Zoom Website itself, I found that screen sharing had been disabled.

 

I can stop panicking now. LOL

Thanks again.

 


Re: ZOOM PRO: CAN'T SHARE SCREEN

Gene
 

I don't know if this will help.  A Google searched shows this link as one result:

https://knowledge.vibe.us/why-i-do-not-see-share-screen-option-on-zoom


Gene

On 1/25/2022 1:21 PM, Chris Smart wrote:

Adendum: The meeting two weeks ago where I was able to share my screen used a free Zoom account. It’s using a pro account where I can’t seem to find any controls to share my screen.

 

What could be different between free and paid that would cause this?

 


ZOOM PRO: CAN'T SHARE SCREEN

Chris Smart
 

Adendum: The meeting two weeks ago where I was able to share my screen used a free Zoom account. It’s using a pro account where I can’t seem to find any controls to share my screen.

 

What could be different between free and paid that would cause this?

 


Re: Keystroke for reading an Entire Row in Excel

Luke Robinett
 

> One thing which would need to be considered, is whether the command should read column headers as it goes.  So, say you are reading row 7, and the headers are in Row 1, would you want it to read A7, B7, C7, D7, etc.  Or would you want it (with headers defined) to read A1, A7, B1, B7, C1, C7, D1, D7, etc.?

Perhaps there could be an option in settings for this, that way the user could tailor it to their particular needs. There might be cases where you want that and others where you don’t.

On Jan 24, 2022, at 6:13 PM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:


There isn't currently a command for this.  Even Say All doesn't currently work in Excel - see this issue for that: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6624

The only way I can find, is to select the row (SHIFT+spacebar), copy it, then read the clipboard (NVDA+C).  If it is too long, you might need to paste into Notepad or somewhere.  Not ideal.

My suggestion would be to create an issue on GitHub for this, as it is definitely something which would be worthwhile.  One thing which would need to be considered, is whether the command should read column headers as it goes.  So, say you are reading row 7, and the headers are in Row 1, would you want it to read A7, B7, C7, D7, etc.  Or would you want it (with headers defined) to read A1, A7, B1, B7, C1, C7, D1, D7, etc.? (There could be arguments made either way).

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 9:06 AM David Kingsbury <davidkingsbury77@...> wrote:

Hi all,

Does NVDA have a keystroke for reading all the cells in a row in Excel? I looked around in the NVDA Quick reference guide, but failed to find it.

Thanks,

David

 

 



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ZOOM PRO: CAN'T SHARE SCREEN

Chris Smart
 

Please help! I can't find the button to share my screen during Zoom meetings!

I had no trouble doing this in the last two weeks, although I don’t recall the exact date when I last shared my screen.

 

I'm running the latest zoom under Windows 10 with NVDA. I have a Pro account, and I am the host of the meeting.

 

Before, I would simply press ALT+S and then specify what I wanted to share. But pressing ALT+S seems to do nothing now, and tabbing through the meeting controls does not take me to a Share Screen button.

 

I can't seem to find anything in my local settings or the meeting scheduling options that would affect screen sharing either.

I'm stumped, and I am giving an important presentation in two days time to sighted people, demonstrating how I navigate a Website using a screenreader.

 

Any help gratefully received.

 

Chris

P.S. I’ve also checked in Settings in both the Hotkeys and Accessibility categories, and nothing seems amiss there either.


Re: NVDA announcing Capital letters

 

On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 09:27 AM, Gene wrote:
I was saying that we don't know why this problem is occurring since we don't know of any other cases where it is.  I am also saying that I very much doubt that the synthesizer itself generally announces cap because if it did, this would be such a serious bug that no one would buy it and we would have heard about this a long time ago.  And only two  reports doesn't tell us if this is a general problem or not.
-
Two reports, over the amount of time that things have been "as they are," which is quite a while, tells us directly that it is not a general problem.

I have said this, again and again, and will keep doing so until it sinks in for some:  Most issues are not global, they are idiosyncratic to the computer on which they are occurring.  As such, the solution does not lie with "fixing the software" (or similar) but figuring out what the heck is weird about your own machine.

I see this all the time given what I do for a living.  Sometimes it gets to the point where the only solution is what we in the biz call a "nuke and pave," a completely clean reinstall of Windows and the software the person was using (user data is backed up prior to doing a nuke and pave).

If this were a global problem, we would have heard about it many, many times from many, many users.  We have not.  That does tell us something, or should.  Whether what it tells us is accepted by the individuals afflicted by the issue is an entirely separate matter.  But there are "standard procedures" in place in instances such as this and there's no reason to change those.
 
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