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Re: Adjusting The NVDA Volume

Howard Traxler
 

Thanks, Gene.  I'll give that one a try.  Also, when I boot up, before NVDA starts, there is a very loud voice that says something about log in.  And again when I shut down after NVDA closes.

Howard

On 1/27/2022 1:55 PM, Gene wrote:
My guess is that the beeps you are talking about are changed by the system sounds control in the Windows volume control.


Gene

On 1/27/2022 12:50 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:
There is a selector in the volume control just for NVDA.  I'm wondering if it just controls the voice; or does it also control the beeps? Like in the progress bar, and in the open and close sounds. My progress bar is much too loud; but I don't want  the speech any quieter.

Howard


On 1/27/2022 12:37 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

It only goes to 100 percent if you are using control shift nvda up and down to adjust volume. [laptop keyboard layout] this after of corse nvda shift left right to navigate the synth ring.

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Steven Hicks
*Sent:* Thursday, January 27, 2022 9:59 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* [nvda] Adjusting The NVDA Volume

Is there a way to adjust the NVDA volume independent of other apps with the keyboard e.g. if I have music playing, can I turn up NVDA louder when it is speaking?








Re: Adjusting The NVDA Volume

Gene
 

My guess is that the beeps you are talking about are changed by the system sounds control in the Windows volume control.


Gene

On 1/27/2022 12:50 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:
There is a selector in the volume control just for NVDA.  I'm wondering if it just controls the voice; or does it also control the beeps? Like in the progress bar, and in the open and close sounds. My progress bar is much too loud; but I don't want  the speech any quieter.

Howard


On 1/27/2022 12:37 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

It only goes to 100 percent if you are using control shift nvda up and down to adjust volume. [laptop keyboard layout] this after of corse nvda shift left right to navigate the synth ring.

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Steven Hicks
*Sent:* Thursday, January 27, 2022 9:59 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* [nvda] Adjusting The NVDA Volume

Is there a way to adjust the NVDA volume independent of other apps with the keyboard e.g. if I have music playing, can I turn up NVDA louder when it is speaking?





Re: Adjusting The NVDA Volume

Gene
 

But the NVDA volume level, set from within NVDA, changes by default from synthesizer to another.  For many, the default setting is far below 100. 


The ring method is another way of changing the volume I hadn't thought of, which changes the same thing I was describing.


Gene

On 1/27/2022 12:37 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

It only goes to 100 percent if you are using control shift nvda up and down to adjust volume. [laptop keyboard layout] this after of corse nvda shift left right to navigate the synth ring.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steven Hicks
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2022 9:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Adjusting The NVDA Volume

 

Is there a way to adjust the NVDA volume independent of other apps with the keyboard e.g. if I have music playing, can I turn up NVDA louder when it is speaking?

 


Re: Adjusting The NVDA Volume

Gene
 

If you open the speech settings dialog, control NVDA key v, and tab around, you will find a volume control slider for NVDA.  You can change it to whatever you want and then change it back in one command, control NVDA key r, which restores the saved configuration.


That is, if NVDA hasn't shut down with the new volume level.  If you are using the default save settings on exit setting, if NVDA closes or is closed, the new setting will be saved.


Gene

On 1/27/2022 11:59 AM, Steven Hicks wrote:

Is there a way to adjust the NVDA volume independent of other apps with the keyboard e.g. if I have music playing, can I turn up NVDA louder when it is speaking?

 


Re: NVDA And Microsoft Outlook 365

Gene
 

I don't use that program but its likely something in the table settings.  I don't know which setting it is so you can experiment or, if you don't care if you hear table information in e-mails, you can create a profile and have all table information turned off.


Gene

On 1/27/2022 11:04 AM, Steven Hicks wrote:

Is there a way to stop NVDA reading the column titles when arrowing up and down in your inbox?

 


Re: Adjusting The NVDA Volume

Sarah k Alawami
 

I don't think that is controlled by the nvda slider but by your windows
volume control, at least as far as I have found. Perhaps make a suggestion
on github otherwise the issue doesn't exist.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2022 10:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Adjusting The NVDA Volume

There is a selector in the volume control just for NVDA.  I'm wondering if
it just controls the voice; or does it also control the beeps?  Like in the
progress bar, and in the open and close sounds. My progress bar is much too
loud; but I don't want  the speech any quieter.

Howard


On 1/27/2022 12:37 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

It only goes to 100 percent if you are using control shift nvda up and
down to adjust volume. [laptop keyboard layout] this after of corse
nvda shift left right to navigate the synth ring.

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
*Steven Hicks
*Sent:* Thursday, January 27, 2022 9:59 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* [nvda] Adjusting The NVDA Volume

Is there a way to adjust the NVDA volume independent of other apps
with the keyboard e.g. if I have music playing, can I turn up NVDA
louder when it is speaking?


Re: Adjusting The NVDA Volume

Howard Traxler
 

There is a selector in the volume control just for NVDA.  I'm wondering if it just controls the voice; or does it also control the beeps?  Like in the progress bar, and in the open and close sounds. My progress bar is much too loud; but I don't want  the speech any quieter.

Howard

On 1/27/2022 12:37 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

It only goes to 100 percent if you are using control shift nvda up and down to adjust volume. [laptop keyboard layout] this after of corse nvda shift left right to navigate the synth ring.

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Steven Hicks
*Sent:* Thursday, January 27, 2022 9:59 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* [nvda] Adjusting The NVDA Volume

Is there a way to adjust the NVDA volume independent of other apps with the keyboard e.g. if I have music playing, can I turn up NVDA louder when it is speaking?


Re: Adjusting The NVDA Volume

Sarah k Alawami
 

It only goes to 100 percent if you are using control shift nvda up and down to adjust volume. [laptop keyboard layout] this after of corse nvda shift left right to navigate the synth ring.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steven Hicks
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2022 9:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Adjusting The NVDA Volume

 

Is there a way to adjust the NVDA volume independent of other apps with the keyboard e.g. if I have music playing, can I turn up NVDA louder when it is speaking?

 


Re: Adjusting The NVDA Volume

Roger Stewart
 

You can turn on audio ducking which will turn down the music while NVDA speaks and turn it back up again when it isn't speaking.

Roger











On 1/27/2022 11:59 AM, Steven Hicks wrote:

Is there a way to adjust the NVDA volume independent of other apps with the keyboard e.g. if I have music playing, can I turn up NVDA louder when it is speaking?

 



Adjusting The NVDA Volume

Steven Hicks
 

Is there a way to adjust the NVDA volume independent of other apps with the keyboard e.g. if I have music playing, can I turn up NVDA louder when it is speaking?

 


Re: NVDA announcing Capital letters

Sarah k Alawami
 

I can’t get this to brake. I’m using Eva now, and I wrote

 

this is a test of Capital Letters.

 

In notepad. Pitch does not change for what ever reason except when I’m reading with the phonetic add on, and in the speech viewer I don’t even see an indication off a capital letter.  So, for me it is not really 100 percent broken.  I don’t see any settings to change pitch in the vocalizer settings, so that part is broken except in phenetic add on, it works then.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2022 9:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA announcing Capital letters

 

On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 03:43 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

However, I can’t be bothered to report it,


While you are not complaining in the conventional sense, this means you have no right to, either.

If users, all of them, aren't reporting issues then the developers have no way of knowing those exist.  And when they do exist, the number and frequency of those reports serve as an indicator of how widespread an issue is and are used to determine where in the fix priority things eventually land.

Eventually, the parties that are playing "the blame game" have to come to a resolution.  And it's usually only when two companies start talking to one another that things do get fixed.  There's a lot more weight put behind, say, Samsung contacting Google after a slew of user complaints than those same users trying to contact Google individually.  I've seen similar with NVDA developers negotiating with Microsoft or the folks at Libre Office.  Inter-company discusions gain a lot more traction a lot more quickly.  Most of those interactions have, at their root, users reporting issues.
 
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Re: NVDA And Microsoft Outlook 365

Chris Smart
 

Try exploring and changing some of NVDA’s Document Settings. NVDA+CONTROL+D

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steven Hicks
Sent: January 27, 2022 12:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA And Microsoft Outlook 365

 

Is there a way to stop NVDA reading the column titles when arrowing up and down in your inbox?

 


NVDA And Microsoft Outlook 365

Steven Hicks
 

Is there a way to stop NVDA reading the column titles when arrowing up and down in your inbox?

 


Re: NVDA Not Talking

Steven Hicks
 

Thanks so much to everyone, now sorted it.

Uninstalled NVDA, re-installed but still had the issue.

I Used Narrator while NVDA was running, used NVDA+CTRL+S, no speech was set and I had to change the synthesiser to ESpeak.

Now working like a charm, thanks again all!

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: 26 January 2022 06:32
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Not Talking

 

Steven, you could also try fire up something like narrator to see what is showing up when you then activate NVDA menu, and, there, maybe check what synthesizer is selected - NVDA + ctrl + S should bring up synthesizer dialogue, where you could try selecting another one, and, where you can also check selected audio output device?

 

Besides that, try hitting NVDA + ctrl + R to reset preferences to factory defaults?

 

Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2022-01-26 06:58 AM, Steven Hicks wrote:

Hi friends,

 

I Have installed the latest NVDA on my laptop.

When I start up, there is speech at the logon screen but after logging on, there is nothing at all, no speech.

During the installation, there was no speech either which seems quite odd.

If I load up JAWS then I can use the NVDA+N and it would appear that NVDA is running.

I Use NVDA+Q and JAWS will read the NVDA quit screen but again, there is no speech from NVDA itself.

When I type, there is a high pitched sound for some reason until I unload NVDA.

I Tried uninstalling NVDA and re-installing but the same thing seems to have happened afterwards.

Does anyone have any ideas please?

 

 


Re: NVDA announcing Capital letters

 

On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 03:43 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
However, I can’t be bothered to report it,

While you are not complaining in the conventional sense, this means you have no right to, either.

If users, all of them, aren't reporting issues then the developers have no way of knowing those exist.  And when they do exist, the number and frequency of those reports serve as an indicator of how widespread an issue is and are used to determine where in the fix priority things eventually land.

Eventually, the parties that are playing "the blame game" have to come to a resolution.  And it's usually only when two companies start talking to one another that things do get fixed.  There's a lot more weight put behind, say, Samsung contacting Google after a slew of user complaints than those same users trying to contact Google individually.  I've seen similar with NVDA developers negotiating with Microsoft or the folks at Libre Office.  Inter-company discusions gain a lot more traction a lot more quickly.  Most of those interactions have, at their root, users reporting issues.
 
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Re: NVDA Not Talking

bering.p
 

Hi,
Please send me, in private and attached file, the nvda log with log level set to debug.
Thanks.
Best regards.
Paul.
Le 27/01/2022 11:34, Pele West a écrit :

Hi Everyone

I apologise in advance, I have not been following this thread, but today 
when I powered up my desktop PC NVDA would not speak. Fortunately I have 
a braille display.

I updated the NVDA Global Extension addon yesterday, so disabled it and 
when I restarted NVDA the speech came back.

Does anyone know why the latest version of NVDA Global Extension should 
cause speech to stop working?

Thanks

Pele West









Re: NVDA Not Talking

Pele West
 

Hi Everyone

I apologise in advance, I have not been following this thread, but today when I powered up my desktop PC NVDA would not speak. Fortunately I have a braille display.

I updated the NVDA Global Extension addon yesterday, so disabled it and when I restarted NVDA the speech came back.

Does anyone know why the latest version of NVDA Global Extension should cause speech to stop working?

Thanks

Pele West


Re: NVDA announcing Capital letters

Steve Nutt
 

Yes, you can test using the NVDA add-on. I can reproduce with both.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 26 January 2022 17:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA announcing Capital letters

 

However the code factory guys are blaming nvda, so who is at fault here, I can’t test as I have the nvda/sapi combo I got for $50 last year, not the sapi addon only. Actually, can I test this using the nvda only addon?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2022 9:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA announcing Capital letters

 

Hi

From the input so far on this issue, it sounds like the addon may interrogate the NVDA Voice property for “Say cap” and if it is not checked, it defaults to inserting the word “Capital” before processing an individual capital letter, otherwise NVDA takes responsib ility for indicating the capital letter.  This may also apply to Pitch Change and Bleep  as well but I have not seen any evidence that this is the case.

 

Cheers

                Chris

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Steve Nutt
Sent: 26 January 2022 14:17
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA announcing Capital letters

 

Hi,

 

It happens equally on the SAPI version of Vocalizer, I can tell you that.

 

And it is not, as Brian suggests, an isolated problem, it is easy to reproduce.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene

Sent: 25 January 2022 22:00

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA announcing Capital letters

 

I don't know how much you might want to do to pursue the problem further.  One option, which will cost money, is to get the SAPI Vocalizer voices,  You may want to try the program to see if you have the same problem.

 

You can find it on this page:

 

https://www.atguys.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=60_20

 

There are the methods to try to correct the problem Brian discussed and then there is this possible solution that will cost you money.  But I'm making you aware of the option, if you aren't.  And you may want to test for the problem using the SAPI demo.

 

 

Gene

 

On 1/25/2022 3:49 PM, Don H wrote:

> Yes there are setting under the code factory entery under settings.

> Same screen where you download more voices.  Nothing in the settings

> here fixes the issue of saying capital.

> On 1/25/2022 3:44 PM, Gene wrote:

>> There is a way to open settings for the add-on itself but I don't

>> know how you do it.  I have a guess which I will present.  To explain

>> why this is my guess would require explanation which isn't relevant

>> to the discussion.  It has to do with what the expired demo does when

>> you try to run it.  When you are using a vocalizer voice, try opening

>> the synthesizer dialog, control NVDA s, moving to the Vocalizer

>> choice, and pressing enter.  Does the settings dialog open?

>> 

>> 

>> I have an expired demo.  The only setting I can see that might

>> possibly apply is one for raising the pitch for capital.  As I

>> recall, it is a check box.  There is no say cap or say capital

>> setting.  Maybe if you turn on the raise pitch option, capital won't be spoken.

>> 

>> 

>> Gene

>> 

>> On 1/25/2022 3:05 PM, Chris Mullins wrote:

>> 

>>> Hi Don

>>> 

>>> If  in the Voice Settings dialog (NVDA+Ctrl+v),you set Uppercase

>>> pitch change to 0, Say Cap unchecked and Beep before Capitals

>>> unchecked you say NVDA says "Capital" before capital letters but if

>>> you check the "say Cap" checkbox, it only says "Cap", is that correct?

>>> 

>>> Does the Code Factory addon have any adjustable properties available

>>> via the Preferences sub-menu (NVDA+n p) or in the catagories list of

>>> the Settings dialog (NVDA+n p s)?  I'm asking these questions

>>> because I think it's the Code Factory addon that is responsible for

>>> it saying "Capital" and I wondered if there were any adjustable

>>> properties governing this behaviour.

>>> 

>>> Cheers

>>> 

>>>                 Chris

>>> 

>>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for

>>> Windows

>>> 

>>> *From: *Don H <mailto:lmddh50@...>

>>> *Sent: *25 January 2022 14:21

>>> *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io

>>> *Subject: *Re: [nvda] NVDA announcing Capital letters

>>> 

>>> I think I started this thread and here is what I have figured out.

>>> When

>>> 

>>> using the code Factory vocalizer addon for NVDA if you have the

>>> voice

>>> 

>>> settings to not say cap and also have the beep for caps off on my

>>> system

>>> 

>>> NVDA says the word capital before each uppercase letter.  To make

>>> this

>>> 

>>> better in my opinion I now have my voice settings set with a pitch

>>> 

>>> change on caps on zero and I have say cap on capitaleters turned on. 

>>> So

>>> 

>>> now on capital letters NVDA says cap before each uppercase letter

>>> and I

>>> 

>>> hear no pitch change on capitals.  This makes the verbage on capital

>>> 

>>> letters a little better.

>>> 

>>> I did also make it stop saying capital by adding each uppercase

>>> letter

>>> 

>>> to the default dictionary replacing each with a lowercase letter and

>>> 

>>> this resulted in only hearing a pitch change on uppercase letters

>>> but

>>> 

>>> for some reason this pitch only for uppercase letters was

>>> inconsistent

>>> 

>>> with some uppercase letters being typed not having a raised pitch. 

>>> I

>>> 

>>> removed all the enteries I made to the default dictionary.

>>> 

>>> On 1/25/2022 3:59 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

>>> 

>>> > Interesting, I’ll test it again, but when I’ve tried it before, I

>>> didn’t

>>> 

>>> > get beeps when I set capitals to beep.

>>> 

>>> >

>>> 

>>> > All the best

>>> 

>>> >

>>> 

>>> >

>>> 

>>> > Steve

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>>> > *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of

>>> > *Gene

>>> 

>>> > *Sent:* 21 January 2022 17:08

>>> 

>>> > *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io

>>> 

>>> > *Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA announcing Capital letters

>>> 

>>> >

>>> 

>>> > I just tested this.  It comes through the sound card.

>>> 

>>> >

>>> 

>>> > Gene

>>> 

>>> >

>>> 

>>> > On 1/21/2022 10:53 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

>>> 

>>> >

>>> 

>>> >     I think this is because the beep option unhelpfully comes

>>> >through

>>> 

>>> >     the PC speaker, instead of your soundcard.

>>> 

>>> >

>>> 

>>> >     Some PCs don’t have a PC speaker any more, so the beep sound

>>> won’t

>>> 

>>> >     work for them.

>>> 

>>> >

>>> 

>>> >     I think this should be changed in NVDA.

>>> 

>>> >

>>> 

>>> >     All the best

>>> 

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>>> 

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>>> 

>>> > <nvda@nvda.groups.io> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of

>>> 

>>> >     *Marilyn and Don Bilderback

>>> 

>>> >     *Sent:* 20 January 2022 06:18

>>> 

>>> >     *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>>> 

>>> >     *Subject:* [nvda] NVDA announcing Capital letters

>>> 

>>> >

>>> 

>>> >     Hello,

>>> 

>>> >

>>> 

>>> >     I have the beep option checked but I get no sound when I type.

>>> 

>>> >

>>> 

>>> >       I try to use the tone option, but   can’t seem to choose the

>>> 

>>> >        right numbers so I can use that method. I don’t hear   any

>>> change

>>> 

>>> >     in tone when caps are typed.

>>> 

>>> >

>>> 

>>> >     I do not like the word caps spoken as I can’t hear what I am

>>> 

>>> >     typing.    What am I missing?

>>> 

>>> >

>>> 

>>> >     Marilynn

>>> 

>>> >

>>> 

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>>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: NVDA announcing Capital letters

Steve Nutt
 

Well I can tell you it is a global bug, I can reproduce it on several machines.

 

However, I can’t be bothered to report it, as the blame game will just go back and forth.  It doesn’t bother me enough to report it anyway, as one can get round it with the CF dictionary entries.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 26 January 2022 16:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA announcing Capital letters

 

On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 09:17 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

And it is not, as Brian suggests, an isolated problem, it is easy to reproduce.

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Then, if that's the case, for the love of heaven, someone who's got it should open an issue on the NVDA GitHub with the steps to reproduce, not keep complaining about it here.  This is not a venue where developers are monitoring nor can one expect change from reporting issues here.  The mechanism exists for end users who can replicate issues to report them, directly, which is a luxury that's very, very seldom afforded to end users.  Creating an Issue in GitHub for NVDA

 


It's one thing to ask about whether anyone else has something happening and if there happens to be a fix, but we're well past that.

And, Steve, if 100 people had the issue, it would *still* be what gets classed as an isolated incident.  It's a matter of the scope within an embedded user base of something.  For Windows, the same screw-up can occur on tens of thousands of machines, and it still be a localized issue, isolated, not a global bug.  For NVDA, the number would be smaller, but if you can count it on less than two hands, it's an isolated bug.

So far, on this topic, I think we have 3 people who've reported it.  Well, how many more are using the configurations you guys are using and aren't reporting it?  Again, that should tell you something.  That something is that this is highly unlikely to be a global bug.
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Re: NVDA Crashes on launch, log:OSError: [WinError 193]

Quentin Christensen
 

It looks like maybe NVDA didn't install properly.  I wonder if it is something to do with AVG?

In any case, a copy of the log from when NVDA installed would be helpful.  When this log was created, the install log would have become nvda-old.log - so if you've restarted again then it's likely been overwritten by now.

Could you please try uninstalling and reinstalling NVDA and send a copy of the install log to me at info@... please?

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 2:40 PM <bpurvis@...> wrote:
Moderator's Note:  The posting of log files on the group is discouraged for two reasons:
1. They can contain private data.
2.  There are few members who are able to interpret them.

Because this issue is so strange, I'm granting a one-time exception.  General practice is to post the issue and offer to send the log privately to whoever may request it.  Please do this going forward.
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Windows 7 SP1
During installation NVDA works fine. I can even select the option to Continue Running without doing an installation and it will work perfectly.
However once the installation is complete I can hear the NDVA startup sound which is immediately followed by the exit sound.
I have tried installing the latest version and even uninstalled, rebooted and installed the previous with the same results.
NVDA fails to launch with the same characteristics after a reboot.
Never does it remain in the taskbar.
While running in the Continue mode I can fully navigate the menus and have tried resetting/factory defaults but no change.
Even tried different voice profiles.
I have AVG Business installed and added the NDVA installed path as an exemption.

When I took a look at the logs I see this in the last line. OSError: [WinError 193] %1 is not a valid Win32 application.
*Full Log:
INFO - __main__ (21:46:36.635) - MainThread (5972):
Starting NVDA version 2021.3.1
INFO - core.main (21:46:36.686) - MainThread (5972):
Config dir: C:\Users\Jeffery\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (21:46:36.686) - MainThread (5972):
Loading config: C:\Users\Jeffery\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (21:46:36.729) - MainThread (5972):
Windows version: Windows 7 (6.1.7601) service pack Service Pack 1 workstation
INFO - core.main (21:46:36.729) - MainThread (5972):
Using Python version 3.7.9 (tags/v3.7.9:13c94747c7, Aug 17 2020, 18:01:55) [MSC v.1900 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (21:46:36.729) - MainThread (5972):
Using comtypes version 1.1.8
INFO - core.main (21:46:36.729) - MainThread (5972):
Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1
CRITICAL - __main__ (21:46:36.932) - MainThread (5972):
core failure
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "nvda.pyw", line 362, in
  File "core.pyc", line 442, in main
  File "NVDAHelper.pyc", line 569, in initialize
  File "NVDAHelper.pyc", line 482, in __init__
  File "winKernel.pyc", line 351, in CreateProcessAsUser
OSError: [WinError 193] %1 is not a valid Win32 application.

Any Suggestions?
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