nvda@nvda.groups.io

Re: where to get addon's

Brian Vogel

#92324

On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 03:03 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:

The first link is not, again, is not, "The Official NVDA Add-Ons Starting Point"!

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We'll have to agree to disagree on that. The evolution of that site, regardless of who is actually running it, has been discussed, at length, on this group and on the NVDA Add-Ons group, too.

It is intended as the de facto portal for all NVDA add-ons. If you want to find an NVDA Add-On, whether an officially vetted one or one of the many that have been created by users, that site is where you should start your search, plain and simple.
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~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

Re: sound splitter addon

Joseph Lee

#92323

Hi,

The add-on will be queued for distribution on community add-ons website soon. It is not available as it was ion the middle of a review by community members.

Cheers,

Joseph

sound splitter addon

Don H

#92322

I went to the NVDA addon web site and did not find the sound splitter addon mentioned in a earlier posting.  Where do you get this addon?
Thanks

Re: where to get addon's

Rui Fontes

#92321

Hello!

The first link is not, again, is not, "The Official NVDA Add-Ons Starting Point"!

This link, as stated in the main page is owned by the NVDA spanish association:

NVDA Spanish-speaking Community

Association logo linked to the site's home page
NVDA Add-ons Directory

The largest international NVDA add-ons store available on the web

It is a NVDA add-on store not managed by NV Access, but a spanish association.

The add-ons are reviewd before being published, then is so secure as the NV Access store.

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
NVDA portuguese team

Às 19:47 de 28/01/2022, Brian Vogel escreveu:

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The NVDA Add-Ons Directory, which uses the first link you gave, is now The Official NVDA Add-Ons Starting Point.

The second, which used to be that starting point, is slated to eventually be phased out, but is still a part of the mix until all the bits are in place to drop it.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

Re: where to get addon's

Don H

#92320

OK thanks.

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On 1/28/2022 1:47 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
The NVDA Add-Ons Directory <https://nvda-addons.org>, which uses the
first link you gave, is now /The Official NVDA Add-Ons Starting Point/.

The second, which used to be that starting point, is slated to
eventually be phased out, but is still a part of the mix until all the
bits are in place to drop it.
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Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*/The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting
for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what
these ideals are./*

*/       ~/*Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

Re: where to get addon's

Brian Vogel

#92319

The NVDA Add-Ons Directory, which uses the first link you gave, is now The Official NVDA Add-Ons Starting Point.

The second, which used to be that starting point, is slated to eventually be phased out, but is still a part of the mix until all the bits are in place to drop it.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

where to get addon's

Don H

#92318

With regards to getting NVDA addon's I know of at least two web sites which I have provided below.  What are the differences between these two sites and which one should I use?  The second web site is where you are taken if you select get addons under the NVDA tools/manage addons in the NVDA UI.
Thanks
https://nvda-addons.org/
https://addons.nvda-project.org/index.en.html

Re: New add-on (more toward an add-on feature package): Sound Splitter, split from Tony Malykh's Tony's Enhancements #addonrelease

Joseph Lee

#92317

Hi,

Directing NVDA to a different sound device already exists and is part of NVDA.

Cheers,

Joseph

[orbit-reader] Clarifications regarding the Orbit Reader 40 firmware release

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>

#92316

Hello Orbit Reader 40 users. As you probably already know their has been a new firmware update to the 40 plus model. Here is some clarifications from Orbit Research on a few things having to do with the latest update released a few days ago. Thank you.

-------- Forwarded Message --------

Subject:	[orbit-reader] Clarifications regarding the Orbit Reader 40 firmware release
Date:	Fri, 28 Jan 2022 21:35:18 +0530
From:	Tech Support <techsupport@...>
Reply-To:	orbit-reader@groups.io
To:	orbit-reader@groups.io

Hello List Members,

Some of you have asked about connecting with NVDA and iOS. We will be posting a detailed message about this soon, but wanted to share some guidelines in the interim:

We recommend keeping Emulation ON for use with NVDA and iOS, and Emulation OFF for JAWS
The latest firmware version has emulation off by default.
If you are using the Orbit Reader 40 only with an iPhone, turn on emulation from the menu before pairing and connecting. As before, it will connect with VoiceOver as “VarioUltra 40”
If you are using the Orbit Reader 40 only with JAWS only, you can connect over USB or Bluetooth with JAWS without having to change the default setting (Emulation OFF)
If you are using both, JAWS and an iOS device:

Pair and connect with JAWS using default emulation settings (Emulation OFF)
Then, go to the menu, turn on emulation and connect to the iOS device
Once you have established connections with both:

i. To switch from iPhone to JAWS, put the phone on standby (lock the screen), turn off emulation from the menu, and restart JAWS. It should connect automatically. You don’t need to forget the device and pair it again.

ii. To switch from JAWS to iPhone, turn on emulation from the menu, and lock and unlock the phone. It should connect automatically. You don’t need to forget the device and pair again.

Please don’t hesitate to contact us if you have any questions.

Best Regards,

Customer Care Team

Orbit Research

techsupport@...

Re: NVDA Not Talking

Brian Vogel

#92315

On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 12:28 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:

The talking installers usually come up talking.

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No one has disputed this. But, you still have to navigate to the installer, activate it, and (often) respond to a UAC prompt these days before the first syllable is uttered by that talking installer.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

Re: NVDA Not Talking

Howard Traxler

#92314

The talking installers usually come up talking.  However, to my knowleedge, they require sound drivers to be installed and running. In the old days, we could load and run drivers for an external synthesizer from the operating system (DOS was my familiarity)

Howard

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On 1/28/2022 11:00 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 11:54 AM, tim wrote:

    I never need narrator to setup or install NVDA or JFW.

    They both have talking installers.

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My experience mirrors yours, but it does still bring up the question (since I am sighted):  How would someone install a screen reader, even one with a talking installer (and they all seem to have these), without having an access method to the installer to begin with?

I have had users use Narrator as their scaffold screen reader to get the screen reader of their choosing installed on a given machine when sighted help is not available.

I've never really thought, in depth, about how one gets one's first screen reader on a machine without either using Narrator or a sighted assistant.  Once one is there, you generally use it to install others or "the next generation" of the current one.

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Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*/The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are./*

*/       ~/*Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

Re: Adjusting The NVDA Volume

Giles Turnbull

#92313

I asked about changing the volume of the sounds, and it was suggested that it was probably a Windows system sound. The sound I was trying to quieten was the beep that indicates when I have entered or left a text box. I actually discovered that it is an NVDA sound. There are 10 of these beepy sounds in the NVDA installation folder. You can find them in Program Files (x86) on the C: drive, in the NVDA folder and then the Waves folder. They are all wav files, and you can use an audio-editing program like audacity or NCH wavepad to reduce their volume. I renamed the original files first by adding an extra character to the start of the filename, so that I culd then save the reduced-volume version without the extra character. What I don't know is whether the beep that indicates entry into a text box is the same beep sound that is used to indicate percentage progress of a process, but there's no harm in trying. Hope this helps :)

Re: NVDA Not Talking

Brian Vogel

#92312

On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 12:12 PM, Gtt North Bay wrote:

Yes they both have talking installers but for example with my new laptop I had to use narrator to get to the NVDA instal file then I could quit narrator.

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And this is precisely the approach I recommend anyone who needs a screen reader take if they're trying to install NVDA, JAWS, or similar with no sighted assistance.

As Gene has mentioned, there are parts of the process that can (and do) show up prior to a talking installer starting its own talking that the person doing the installation needs to respond to.

I just wondered if there was some "super secret method" that has been in use by individuals who are blind that I somehow had no idea existed. It wouldn't be the first time that an, "Ah Hah!," moment was foist upon me in regard to assistive technology and those who use it daily.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

Re: NVDA Not Talking

Gtt North Bay

#92311

Yes they both have talking installers but for example with my new laptop I had to use narrator to get to the NVDA instal file then I could quit narrator.

Thanks,
Brian B.

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of tim
Sent: January 28, 2022 11:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Not Talking

I never need narrator to setup or install NVDA or JFW.

They both have talking installers.

And yes, you have to tell both of them if you want them to start at log in and startup.

If you needed another screen reader to install a screen reader. Then you have a major problem with that computer.

On 1/27/2022 10:26 PM, Marilyn and Don Bilderback wrote:
What a relief, right?  I hate to brag, but I sent those instructions on Tuesday evening.  Right away, someone said I was wrong. And I guess you didn’t want to investigate anyway.  Smile.  You could have saved hours of frustration if you had trusted me.  I had just gone through installing a new copy of NVDA and that is what steps I had to do.  I even had a pair of working eyes helping me and that is what it said to do.  I can’t help what used to be the protocol but I just followed what the computer said.  Anyhow, glad to have you  added to the working NVDA population.  Marilyn

I have added below the Email I sent with the steps I took, so you can perhaps remember the post.
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Nvda.nvda@groups.io
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marilyn and Don Bilderback
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2022 11:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Not Talking

When NVDA first starts you are able to use Narrator to set up things.  I found this out just days ago.  The real problem once NVDA is installed is getting into the synthesizer settings and choose  one you want and pick a voice.  Then there are   settings which you need to set before you get to the end and press OK
In actual use the setting for talking is set to none at start up until you tell it different.  Good Luck.
Marilyn

Also, this message followed refuting my claim

uh? Mine came up talking, I did not need narrator to set it up once I ran the installer. I had one core for my synth upon installing nvda.

nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steven Hicks
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2022 10:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Not Talking

Thanks so much to everyone, now sorted it.
Uninstalled NVDA, re-installed but still had the issue.
I Used Narrator while NVDA was running, used NVDA+CTRL+S, no speech was set and I had to change the synthesiser to ESpeak.
Now working like a charm, thanks again all!

Re: NVDA Not Talking

Gene

#92310

You might be able to cause the talking installer to run without speech but I think you should have Narrator running or another screen-reader when you start installing another one. You might get messages you need to respond to such as the program not being verified or UAC coming up.

Gene

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On 1/28/2022 11:00 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 11:54 AM, tim wrote:

I never need narrator to setup or install NVDA or JFW.

They both have talking installers.
-
My experience mirrors yours, but it does still bring up the question (since I am sighted): How would someone install a screen reader, even one with a talking installer (and they all seem to have these), without having an access method to the installer to begin with?

I have had users use Narrator as their scaffold screen reader to get the screen reader of their choosing installed on a given machine when sighted help is not available.

I've never really thought, in depth, about how one gets one's first screen reader on a machine without either using Narrator or a sighted assistant. Once one is there, you generally use it to install others or "the next generation" of the current one.

--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

Re: NVDA Not Talking

Brian Vogel

#92309

On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 11:54 AM, tim wrote:

I never need narrator to setup or install NVDA or JFW.

They both have talking installers.

-
My experience mirrors yours, but it does still bring up the question (since I am sighted): How would someone install a screen reader, even one with a talking installer (and they all seem to have these), without having an access method to the installer to begin with?

I have had users use Narrator as their scaffold screen reader to get the screen reader of their choosing installed on a given machine when sighted help is not available.

I've never really thought, in depth, about how one gets one's first screen reader on a machine without either using Narrator or a sighted assistant. Once one is there, you generally use it to install others or "the next generation" of the current one.

--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

Re: NVDA Not Talking

tim

#92308

I never need narrator to setup or install NVDA or JFW.

They both have talking installers.

And yes, you have to tell both of them if you want them to start at log in and startup.

If you needed another screen reader to install a screen reader. Then you have a major problem with that computer.

Show quoted text

On 1/27/2022 10:26 PM, Marilyn and Don Bilderback wrote:
What a relief, right?  I hate to brag, but I sent those instructions on Tuesday evening.  Right away, someone said I was wrong. And I guess you didn’t want to investigate anyway.  Smile.  You could have saved hours of frustration if you had trusted me.  I had just gone through installing a new copy of NVDA and that is what steps I had to do.  I even had a pair of working eyes helping me and that is what it said to do.  I can’t help what used to be the protocol but I just followed what the computer said.  Anyhow, glad to have you  added to the working NVDA population.  Marilyn

I have added below the Email I sent with the steps I took, so you can perhaps remember the post.
'''''''''''''''''

Nvda.nvda@groups.io
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marilyn and Don Bilderback
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2022 11:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Not Talking

When NVDA first starts you are able to use Narrator to set up things.  I found this out just days ago.  The real problem once NVDA is installed is getting into the synthesizer settings and choose  one you want and pick a voice.  Then there are   settings which you need to set before you get to the end and press OK
In actual use the setting for talking is set to none at start up until you tell it different.  Good Luck.
Marilyn

Also, this message followed refuting my claim

uh? Mine came up talking, I did not need narrator to set it up once I ran the installer. I had one core for my synth upon installing nvda.


nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steven Hicks
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2022 10:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Not Talking

Thanks so much to everyone, now sorted it.
Uninstalled NVDA, re-installed but still had the issue.
I Used Narrator while NVDA was running, used NVDA+CTRL+S, no speech was set and I had to change the synthesiser to ESpeak.
Now working like a charm, thanks again all!

Re: Windows 11 Insider Preview Build 22543

Brian Vogel

#92307

On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 12:04 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Well it will be 1core so probably.

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That is not made explicit. In fact, this is the first time I think I've seen anything that discusses "inside Narrator" voice downloading. In the past everything has generally used the Language Pane of Time & Language Settings to snag additional voices.

If you are correct, and I suspect you are, then if it's a OneCore voice it's just another OneCore voice that can be used by anything that can use those. And NVDA can.

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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

Re: New add-on (more toward an add-on feature package): Sound Splitter, split from Tony Malykh's Tony's Enhancements #addonrelease

Christopher Bartlett

#92306

Does this add-on support the functionality of having NVDA use a different sound source altogether than other sounds, such as if I want to have sound coming out speakers, but NVDA in headphones? Or, does this functionality already exist?

Christopher Bartlett

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On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 3:48 AM William <xsuper.sillyx@...> wrote:

Thanks both Tony and Joseph.

As I am using the original tony addon now, will this sound split conflict with tony's addon?

Joseph Lee 於 28/1/2022 16:29 寫道:

Hello everyone,

I’m delighted to announce the immediate release of a public preview of Sound Splitter, the latest of a series of add-on releases from yours truly. Before going further, I would like to take this time to acknowledge the hard work of Tony Malykh, who gave me and the NVDA add-ons community members the big idea behind this add-on and for originally developing the code that powers this add-on.

As the name implies, Sound Splitter lets you hear audio from NVDA and other programs on different audio channels. For example, with sound Splitter add-on installed and enabled, NVDA will be heard on the right audio channel while sounds from other programs will come through the left speaker. This is useful in apps such as Zoom where you need to hear what the app is saying while participating in meetings.

In case you didn’t catch it, Sound Splitter was originally part of Tony’s Enhancements add-on. Earlier this week a message was sent to NVDA add-ons community, informing members that there was a conflict between Tony’s Enhancements and NVDA Extension (global plugin) in regards to audio splitting functionality. After some discussion, Tony and the community agreed that it would be best to split audio splitter functionality into its own add-on, and the result is Sound Splitter add-on. As a result, feature set is identical with that of Tony’s Enhancements with a notable difference: Sound Splitter is configuration profile aware – that is, you can configure sound splitting feature differently for different profiles, including in app-specific profiles.

Sound Splitter 22.02 download link (to be queued for distribution on community add-ons website and is pending pre-distribution review from add-ons community): https://github.com/josephsl/soundSplitter/releases/download/22.02/soundSplitter-22.02.nvda-addon

NVDA compatibility: 2019.3 and later

IMPORTANT NOTES:

Although I have worked on splitting Sound Splitter from Tony’s Enhancements, please give credit to Tony Malykh as sound splitter code is his brainchild.

Sound Splitter 22.02 is the one and only planned release of this add-on from me so that I can fulfill the duty of a graduate student from this weekend onwards (school takes highest of highest of priorities). As a result, I won’t be able to resolve bugs or add features – there is a possibility that I will update this add-on to make it compatible with NVDA 2022.1, but that’s in the future.

Thank you (and a special thank you to Tony for his hard work on his add-ons).

P.S. Speaking of school, expect news on my other add-ons this weekend before I suspend add-on development for a while.

Cheers,

Joseph

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Christopher Bartlett

Re: New add-on (more toward an add-on feature package): Sound Splitter, split from Tony Malykh's Tony's Enhancements #addonrelease

Joseph Lee

#92305

Hi,

I expect there will be conflicts initially, but if Sound Splitter gains traction, things can change.

Cheers,

Joseph