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Re: Issues after downloading windows 11

 

On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 10:30 PM, Jennifer Aucoin wrote:
We downloaded Windows defender a couple of days ago,
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What, exactly, do you mean by this?  Windows Security, of which Windows Defender is a part, is built in to Windows 8 and later.  There should be nothing to download with the exception of definition updates.

As a general rule, when you have weirdness with Windows 8 or later, try this first:  Using DISM (Deployment Imaging Servicing and Management) and SFC (System File Checker) to Repair Windows 8 & 10
It still applies under Windows 11, I just have not done updates to my tutorial yet.

And, finally, you say, "I reinstalled NVDA after that and it was OK."  Nothing in your message suggests that it is now not OK.  If the issue is not with NVDA, this list is not the appropriate venue to pursue a fix.  If you believe the issue relates to Windows 11, then you would be best served by joining the following group, if you are not already a member, and posting your question there:

Windows Access with Screen Readers Group (Formerly: Windows 10 for Screen Reader Users Group)

Group Archive: https://winaccess.groups.io/g/winaccess/topics

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Issues after downloading windows 11

Jennifer Aucoin
 

Hi everyone:
We downloaded windows 11 today and since then, we have issues with the screen reader.  There are a number of things that are not announced since the update.

  • minimize, maximize and close in Edge and Chrome. They work with Narrator but the verbosity has to be set to 5. It takes a long time for the narrator to catch up with the screen
  • I tried to re load NVDA a few times, but it doesn’t load after the set up screen. 
We downloaded Windows defender a couple of days ago, but I reinstalled NVDA after that and it was ok. 

We’ve worked with the accessibility team at Microsoft, and got Narrator working, but it’s still announcing a lot. 

Any help would be appreciated. 


Re: NVDA Not Talking

Marilyn and Don Bilderback
 

Gene, I removed my installed copy of NVDA and then installed a brand new one.  I had been using One Core Voices the Micro Soft David.  During the installation we just read the prompts and did what was asked.  My husband saw where it said no speech and I was surprised.  But I talked him through where to go and which things to click on.  It wasn’t hard but I don’t know if I could have accomplished it by myself.  I thought the instructions were pretty clear, at least to a person who had already been using NVDA.

 

Steven was the other person who finally pushed the correct buttons and figured it out also.  Marilyn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2022 7:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Not Talking

 

It isn't clear to me what happened in the two cases being discussed.  In your case, was NVDA set to no speech after an update or after an installation.  What was the case for whoever asked the original question? 

 

It shouldn't have happened but at least to me, it isn't clear when this happened.

 

Gene

On 1/28/2022 8:16 PM, Marilyn and Don Bilderback wrote:

In my case, I have no idea.  The synth I was using before was the item just above the no speech line

 

Just one of those mysterious things with computers, I guess.  Marilyn. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louise Pfau
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2022 4:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Not Talking

 

Hi.  How did it get set to no speech, in case someone else comes across this?

Louise


Re: NVDA Not Talking

Gene
 

It isn't clear to me what happened in the two cases being discussed.  In your case, was NVDA set to no speech after an update or after an installation.  What was the case for whoever asked the original question? 


It shouldn't have happened but at least to me, it isn't clear when this happened.


Gene

On 1/28/2022 8:16 PM, Marilyn and Don Bilderback wrote:

In my case, I have no idea.  The synth I was using before was the item just above the no speech line

 

Just one of those mysterious things with computers, I guess.  Marilyn. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louise Pfau
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2022 4:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Not Talking

 

Hi.  How did it get set to no speech, in case someone else comes across this?

Louise


Re: Windows 11 Insider Preview Build 22543

Sarah k Alawami
 

We don't know as already stated.

Take care.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bobby
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2022 6:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 11 Insider Preview Build 22543

thank you for the demo of the voices. I love the voices now my question is will they make it to nvda? Please let us know.
On 1/28/2022 9:08 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Here is a demo of the voices. Only two of them and they are quite
understandable at 20, still too slow for my taste though


Retweeting Tomi (tomi91): I created a demo of the new voices included
in the insider 22543 build as it sounds when used in Narrator, if
people are curious! Not sure why I wrote 20543 in the description, but
it's 22543. Hopefully these make it to JAWS and #NVDASR soon.
http://www.sndup.net/mqf4


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of anuj
sharma
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2022 12:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 11 Insider Preview Build 22543

i used win 11 22543 and install the voices right now they are only
available for narrator they are not working with nvda even that
installation process is different you have to launch narrator setting
with control plus windows plus n than you can install and use these
voice voices quality are good so i hope we will see with nvda




On 28/01/2022, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 12:04 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Well it will be 1core so probably.
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That is not made explicit. In fact, this is the first time I think
I've seen anything that discusses "inside Narrator" voice downloading.
In the past everything has generally used the Language Pane of Time &
Language Settings to snag additional voices.

If you are correct, and I suspect you are, then if it's a OneCore
voice it's just another OneCore voice that can be used by anything that can use those.
And NVDA can.

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*The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group
fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes
inessential what these ideals are.*

*~* Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)














Re: NVDA Not Talking

Marilyn and Don Bilderback
 

In my case, I have no idea.  The synth I was using before was the item just above the no speech line

 

Just one of those mysterious things with computers, I guess.  Marilyn. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louise Pfau
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2022 4:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Not Talking

 

Hi.  How did it get set to no speech, in case someone else comes across this?

Louise


Re: Windows 11 Insider Preview Build 22543

Bobby <vinton.bobby@...>
 

thank you for the demo of the voices.  I love the voices now my question is will they make it to nvda?  Please let us know.

On 1/28/2022 9:08 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Here is a demo of the voices. Only two of them and they are quite understandable at 20, still too slow for my taste though


Retweeting Tomi (tomi91): I created a demo of the new voices included in the insider 22543 build as it sounds when used in Narrator, if people are curious! Not sure why I wrote 20543 in the description, but it's 22543. Hopefully these make it to JAWS and #NVDASR soon. http://www.sndup.net/mqf4


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of anuj sharma
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2022 12:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 11 Insider Preview Build 22543

i used win 11 22543 and install the voices right now they are only available for narrator they are not working with nvda even that installation process is different you have to launch narrator setting with control plus windows plus n than you can install and use these voice voices quality are good so i hope we will see with nvda




On 28/01/2022, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 12:04 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Well it will be 1core so probably.
-
That is not made explicit. In fact, this is the first time I think
I've seen anything that discusses "inside Narrator" voice downloading.
In the past everything has generally used the Language Pane of Time &
Language Settings to snag additional voices.

If you are correct, and I suspect you are, then if it's a OneCore
voice it's just another OneCore voice that can be used by anything that can use those.
And NVDA can.

--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group
fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes
inessential what these ideals are.*

*~* Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)













Re: Windows 11 Insider Preview Build 22543

Sarah k Alawami
 

Here is a demo of the voices. Only two of them and they are quite understandable at 20, still too slow for my taste though


Retweeting Tomi (tomi91): I created a demo of the new voices included in the insider 22543 build as it sounds when used in Narrator, if people are curious! Not sure why I wrote 20543 in the description, but it's 22543. Hopefully these make it to JAWS and #NVDASR soon. http://www.sndup.net/mqf4

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of anuj sharma
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2022 12:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 11 Insider Preview Build 22543

i used win 11 22543 and install the voices right now they are only available for narrator they are not working with nvda even that installation process is different you have to launch narrator setting with control plus windows plus n than you can install and use these voice voices quality are good so i hope we will see with nvda




On 28/01/2022, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 12:04 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:


Well it will be 1core so probably.
-
That is not made explicit. In fact, this is the first time I think
I've seen anything that discusses "inside Narrator" voice downloading.
In the past everything has generally used the Language Pane of Time &
Language Settings to snag additional voices.

If you are correct, and I suspect you are, then if it's a OneCore
voice it's just another OneCore voice that can be used by anything that can use those.
And NVDA can.

--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group
fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes
inessential what these ideals are.*

*~* Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)






Add-on Updater and Windows App Essentials 22.02 released #addonrelease

 

Hi all,

Add-on Updater and Windows App Essentials 22.02 are now available:

 

Key changes:

Add-on Updater 22.02: this release requires NVDA 2021.3 or later. For people speaking languages other than English, add-on update notification should be announced in their language.

 

Windows App Essentials 22.02: as announced a while back, this release requires Windows 10 Version 21H1 (May 2021 Update/build 19043) or later. As always, the add-on supports Windows 11, and version 22.02 in particular prepares NVDA to support upcoming Windows 11 changes, including a redesigned Notepad and announcing microphone mute status (Windows+Alt+K). These Windows 11 changes are being tested by Windows Insiders and will be made available to everyone soon.

 

Note that after installing these releases, Add-on Updater will prompt you to downgrade; ignore this message, as this is standard practice when an add-on update is being queued for distribution on community add-ons website. Speaking of distribution queues, the just released Sound Splitter 22.02 will also be queued for community add-ons website distribution.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: NVDA Not Talking

Sarah k Alawami
 

Actually if you have chocolety and you install that with narrator using a batch file, you can easily install the latest nvda as it just works. It is a package manager with windows, you will still need narrator, but it should in theory still work. It has nvda btw latest in there, or did as of I think a few weeks ago. I would have to check as I’m building my batch file in case I have to install from scratch or when I have to transfer things to a new computer.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2022 9:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Not Talking

 

On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 12:12 PM, Gtt North Bay wrote:

Yes they both have talking installers but for example with my new laptop I had to use narrator to get to the NVDA instal file then I could quit narrator.

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And this is precisely the approach I recommend anyone who needs a screen reader take if they're trying to install NVDA, JAWS, or similar with no sighted assistance.

As Gene has mentioned, there are parts of the process that can (and do) show up prior to a talking installer starting its own talking that the person doing the installation needs to respond to.

I just wondered if there was some "super secret method" that has been in use by individuals who are blind that I somehow had no idea existed.  It wouldn't be the first time that an, "Ah Hah!," moment was foist upon me in regard to assistive technology and those who use it daily.
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The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: creating a nvda profile

Rui Fontes
 

Try this version:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3w5y7h8kogmxl86/applicationDictionary_1.3-dev_Gen.nvda-addon?dl=0


Rui Fontes


Às 00:51 de 29/01/2022, Gene escreveu:

I checked to be sure.  I tried installing it and it isn't compatible.


Gene

On 1/28/2022 6:38 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Gene,

I was vaguely aware of that add-on, but it's listed as having last been tested on NVDA 2020.4, and if that's accurate, it's probably not currently compatible with the latest version of NVDA.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: creating a nvda profile

Gene
 

I checked to be sure.  I tried installing it and it isn't compatible.


Gene

On 1/28/2022 6:38 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Gene,

I was vaguely aware of that add-on, but it's listed as having last been tested on NVDA 2020.4, and if that's accurate, it's probably not currently compatible with the latest version of NVDA.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: creating a nvda profile

 

Gene,

I was vaguely aware of that add-on, but it's listed as having last been tested on NVDA 2020.4, and if that's accurate, it's probably not currently compatible with the latest version of NVDA.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: creating a nvda profile

Gene
 

This has nothing to do with profiles but it is what you want.  I did a Google search for application specific dictionaries and found this page:
This is an add-on that allows you to create dictionaries for specific applications.
Doing a Google search will often find what you want and will save you the trouble of looking on one web site, then the other.  I’m notsaying that you should not search the web sites if you don’t find what you want with a Google search.  I don’t know if there are instances where you might find something that way that you won’t using Google.  But I prefer to search with Google first.
 
Also, in the Google results, I found a Github result before the result on the add-ons web site.  Don’t assume that there isn’t an add-ons site entry because you find a Github result.  Keep looking through the results.
 
Gene

From: Don H
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2022 6:14 PM
Subject: [nvda] creating a nvda profile
 
Have created a profile to be used with msedge.  I want to create a
dictionary to be used with this new profile.  Is there a way to do that?
Thanks





Re: creating a nvda profile

 

If you mean to be used exclusively when the configuration profile is active, I don't think so.

I believe the three speech dictionaries -  Default, Voice, and Temporary - span configuration profiles.

There are some certain "outside the NVDA box" techniques you can use to kinda sorta work around this, but since very few people want different pronunciations of the same word at the level of granularity of a single application (the most common use of configuration profiles) it's not built in.

If you really do want that, then I'd suggest using a specific voice only for MS-Edge and setting up a Voice dictionary for that voice with the MS-Edge specific things you want.
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The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


creating a nvda profile

Don H
 

Have created a profile to be used with msedge. I want to create a dictionary to be used with this new profile. Is there a way to do that?
Thanks


Re: where to get addon's

 

On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 03:51 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
In summary, in my capacity as an add-on author and a former leader of NVDA add-ons community (I am the immediate past administrator of NVDA Add-ons mailing list), I can assure everyone that the second link remains the official add-ons repository and should be consulted first before looking at other sources of add-ons.
-
Joseph,

Your comments about "what's official" are not what I'm questioning.  But if this is the technique, we're right back to square one as far as NVDA users finding only "officially vetted" add-ons in the first repository.  I have raised this issue again and again and again, seemingly to no avail.

This is, and has long been, a problem and there are constant questions asking, "Where do I get {insert add-on here}?," where that add-on is not officially vetted.

I stand by my assertion if someone does not know whether a given add-on exists, they are much better off using the NVDA Add-Ons Directory as their first place to check.  If it's an officially vetted add-on, you end up directed to it.  If it's someone's "home grown" add-on, you can still find most of them (or perhaps just a lot of them) in the Directory that are not present in the community add-ons page.

It should be considered the NVDA Add-On Store "Lite" hosted by the NVDA Spanish Association at the present time.  Whether it's officially approved or not, it's still a starting point that's more likely to produce a find for anything that is not an officially vetted add-on.
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The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: where to get addon's

 

Hi all,

Nope - the second link is THE official add-ons community repository. As pointed out by Rui, the first link is managed by Spanish NVDA community. Due to this, the second link is always considered the official repository, or in this instance, first among equals as far as add-on repos are concerned (the repository maintained by the Spanish community includes add-ons not included in the international repository, but as far as official standing is concerned, the international repo takes priority).

The story of how this came to be is a bit complicated, but to provide a layman's explanation, it can be traced to discussions surrounding add-on review process and add-on sources. Add-on reviews are done prior to the add-on being listed in repositories such as international repository. Since these reviews are done by volunteers, it takes time to get something posted and reviewed, although I would say things have improved a bit recently.

Another issue is add-on sources. In addition to the two repositories described, there was another source of add-ons which shall not be named as it hosts an add-on that is forbidden to be discussed. Since that repo contained some add-ons not listed in the international community, coupled with the discussion surrounding review process for international repository, a group of Spanish-speaking community members decided to create a new repository, hence the first link was born.

Speaking of add-on sources, the goal of NV Access and the add-ons community is to host a database of add-ons under one roof. Dubbed "NVDA Add-on Store", the idea is to let add-on authors to submit add-ons for community distribution via GitHub. A "preliminary version" exists in the form of add-on files repository, but it has one major limitation: human reviews are required, delaying update distribution (this is the reason why I keep saying that add-ons are being queued for distribution). The goal of the new "add-on store" (being researched; ask me privately) is to let authors post add-ons and have them included in the database automatically (with some automated checks and code review).

As for what Brian noted regarding closing the second website: that's not happening anytime soon. NV Access and the add-ons community agree that the community add-ons website should be "reborn from its ashes". This is because the bulk of the add-ons website was, and still is, maintained by a group of volunteers who bring NVDA translations and localization to you. For some time NV Access and the add-ons community felt it is time to separate add-ons infrastructure (including the website) from translation work. Regardless of that, the consensus in the community is that we need to invest in rewriting the add-ons distribution website from scratch to add features such as reviews by users.

In summary, in my capacity as an add-on author and a former leader of NVDA add-ons community (I am the immediate past administrator of NVDA Add-ons mailing list), I can assure everyone that the second link remains the official add-ons repository and should be consulted first before looking at other sources of add-ons.

Hope this clarifies things.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Windows 11 Insider Preview Build 22543

anuj sharma
 

i used win 11 22543 and install the voices
right now they are only available for narrator
they are not working with nvda
even that installation process is different
you have to launch narrator setting with control plus windows plus n
than you can install and use these voice
voices quality are good
so i hope we will see with nvda

On 28/01/2022, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 12:04 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:


Well it will be 1core so probably.
-
That is not made explicit.  In fact, this is the first time I think I've
seen anything that discusses "inside Narrator" voice downloading.  In the
past everything has generally used the Language Pane of Time & Language
Settings to snag additional voices.

If you are correct, and I suspect you are, then if it's a OneCore voice it's
just another OneCore voice that can be used by anything that can use those.
And NVDA can.

--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for
common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these
ideals are.*

*~* Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)






Re: where to get addon's

 

On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 03:03 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:

The first link is not, again, is not, "The Official NVDA Add-Ons Starting Point"!

 

-
We'll have to agree to disagree on that.  The evolution of that site, regardless of who is actually running it, has been discussed, at length, on this group and on the NVDA Add-Ons group, too.

It is intended as the de facto portal for all NVDA add-ons.  If you want to find an NVDA Add-On, whether an officially vetted one or one of the many that have been created by users, that site is where you should start your search, plain and simple.
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The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 

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