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Re: Google Docs and Browse Mode

Louis Maher
 

Can you down load it as a Microsoft word file?

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher03@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christopher Bartlett
Sent: Friday, February 4, 2022 6:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google Docs and Browse Mode

 

I encountered a situation yesterday where I was attempting to read a 20 page google doc and couldn't use say all in either mode.  Also, the Google Docs keyboard shortcut crtl-alt-a ctrl-alt/r, which is supposed to read the document aloud from the cursor wasn't working.

 

Christopher Bartlett

 

 

On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 8:24 PM Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

 

Well being jaws you probably need jaws scripts for google docs.

 

 

 

On 4/02/2022 7:54 am, Jonathan Milam wrote:

Actually, JAWS is apparently worse, because I can't even read a Google Doc in browse mode with JAWS.  I can of course read it within Focus mode with NVDA, but the drawback there is that I can't easily use WebNav commands.

 

 

Jonathan

 

 

On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 1:42 PM Milam, Jonathan <milamj@...> wrote:

Hi Brian,

 

It seems to only happen with docs that are more than a few pages in length.  Interestingly enough, JAWS doesn't have this issue.  Can anyone else replicate?

 

Jonathan

 

On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 12:34 PM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 12:00 PM, Jonathan Milam wrote:

I've actually been having this problem for quite a while, and it just never gets resolved unfortunately.

-
Just curious, but what is the size (roughly, and in pages) of these documents?   I'm wondering if this is a "large document" issue or if it occurs on trivially short documents as well.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


 

--

Christopher Bartlett


Re: The Mozilla Apps Enhancements Add-On: How to use it to customize Thunderbird mailbox columns displayed

tim
 

That is what the email stated. And that is just what it does.

On 2/4/2022 5:13 AM, Gene wrote:

What closes the dialog?  when you press the options button, you can up and down arrow through the list of headers.  Are you saying you can't do that?  Are you saying that pressing the space bar on the options button closes the dialog?


Gene

On 2/4/2022 3:52 AM, Jacob Kruger wrote:

Brian, just a quick question - have been using this add-on for quite a while, but, if I try to activate the options button right now, in the portable version of thunderbird, while the column ordering works fine, it immediately closes the dialogue, with nothing else happening, and, while I do hear a tone, there's nothing showing up in the log contents?


As in, just wondering if/when some form of compatibility issue could have arisen in this context?, since definitely used the functionality before?


And, this is on windows 10 64 bit 21H2, with NVDA 2021.3.1, and, the version of the add-on shows up as 1.15, while the current version of thunderbird is 91.5.0, but, it is the portable version.


If nobody else experiences this behaviour, I might need to try disabling some other add-ons, or something to try figure it out, but, not the end of the world for me at moment.


Jacob Kruger
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2022-02-03 11:01 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
The documentation for this add-on is, shall we say, scant.  It requires a lot of figuring out if you don't know how to use many of its features.

We have another topic today discussing an issue with a Thunderbird column having made its appearance and being read as zero, and that column is not wanted.  The easiest thing to do is to use this add-on to hide each and every column you know you don't care to see, then after doing that rearranging them in the left to right order you want them to have. 

Using the Thunderbird Columns Arranging Feature of the Mozilla Apps Enhancements NVDA Add-On

This presumes you’ve already got Thunderbird open and are sitting with your Inbox displaying and with focus on some specific message in the message list.  It makes no difference which one.

1.        Hit NVDA+H.  This displays a dialog, entitled Manage Columns, in which you can change the order of the columns in the message list.

2.      All of the Thunderbird columns are shown in a list, in the order they are showing from left to right, when this dialog opens.

3.       Whatever column name has focus is the one that will be manipulated with one or more of the three control buttons that appear directly beneath the list of columns, in order from left to right:

a.      Up  [ALT + U]

b.      Down [ALT + D]

c.       Options [ALT + O]

4.      The Options button opens the native Thunderbird column picker, which allows you to show or hide any given column from display, in a way that you can access it using up and down arrows.  Again, the ordering as shown in that columnar list of columns is leftmost at the top and rightmost at the bottom.  Those columns that are checked are displayed, those columns that are unchecked are not.  You hit Enter to toggle the checked and unchecked state.  Note: while the initial state is announced when you are traversing the column list, for some reason it is not when you hit Enter to change the state, and is never announced again no matter how many times you hit Enter unless you close this dialog and open it again.  This is not likely to be a problem, but you need to be aware of that.  Many people prefer to use the Options button first, and simply eliminate things they never want to see at all, before going back and using the Up/Down buttons to shift columns they do want to the left/right, respectively.  Once you have gone through the columns display list checking and unchecking those you do or do not want displayed, hit Escape.  Note 2:  When you activate the Options button, the native Thunderbird column list picker appears, and the Add-On dialog closes.  If you then want to move columns afterward, you do have to hit NVDA + H to get it to open again.

5.      The buttons are named Up and Down because that’s the actual layout of the column list in the add-on’s dialog. However, you can and should think of moving a column up in that list as moving it Left as it displays in the Inbox columns.  Conversely, down moves the column to the right.  That is the sole purpose of either of those two buttons, to move the selected/focused column to the left or right in the order they’re displayed in the Inbox columns.

6.      Once you’re done with all your rearranging, there is a Close button at the bottom of the dialog.  This button has no shortcut, so you need to navigate to it in order to close the column moving feature of the Mozilla Apps Enhancements add-on and just go right back to Thunderbird.

--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: The Mozilla Apps Enhancements Add-On: How to use it to customize Thunderbird mailbox columns displayed

tim
 

Strange your getting that problem.

I reported that same problem over 8 months ago and was told its not a problem.

nice to know it is.

On 2/4/2022 4:52 AM, Jacob Kruger wrote:

Brian, just a quick question - have been using this add-on for quite a while, but, if I try to activate the options button right now, in the portable version of thunderbird, while the column ordering works fine, it immediately closes the dialogue, with nothing else happening, and, while I do hear a tone, there's nothing showing up in the log contents?


As in, just wondering if/when some form of compatibility issue could have arisen in this context?, since definitely used the functionality before?


And, this is on windows 10 64 bit 21H2, with NVDA 2021.3.1, and, the version of the add-on shows up as 1.15, while the current version of thunderbird is 91.5.0, but, it is the portable version.


If nobody else experiences this behaviour, I might need to try disabling some other add-ons, or something to try figure it out, but, not the end of the world for me at moment.


Jacob Kruger
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2022-02-03 11:01 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
The documentation for this add-on is, shall we say, scant.  It requires a lot of figuring out if you don't know how to use many of its features.

We have another topic today discussing an issue with a Thunderbird column having made its appearance and being read as zero, and that column is not wanted.  The easiest thing to do is to use this add-on to hide each and every column you know you don't care to see, then after doing that rearranging them in the left to right order you want them to have. 

Using the Thunderbird Columns Arranging Feature of the Mozilla Apps Enhancements NVDA Add-On

This presumes you’ve already got Thunderbird open and are sitting with your Inbox displaying and with focus on some specific message in the message list.  It makes no difference which one.

1.        Hit NVDA+H.  This displays a dialog, entitled Manage Columns, in which you can change the order of the columns in the message list.

2.      All of the Thunderbird columns are shown in a list, in the order they are showing from left to right, when this dialog opens.

3.       Whatever column name has focus is the one that will be manipulated with one or more of the three control buttons that appear directly beneath the list of columns, in order from left to right:

a.      Up  [ALT + U]

b.      Down [ALT + D]

c.       Options [ALT + O]

4.      The Options button opens the native Thunderbird column picker, which allows you to show or hide any given column from display, in a way that you can access it using up and down arrows.  Again, the ordering as shown in that columnar list of columns is leftmost at the top and rightmost at the bottom.  Those columns that are checked are displayed, those columns that are unchecked are not.  You hit Enter to toggle the checked and unchecked state.  Note: while the initial state is announced when you are traversing the column list, for some reason it is not when you hit Enter to change the state, and is never announced again no matter how many times you hit Enter unless you close this dialog and open it again.  This is not likely to be a problem, but you need to be aware of that.  Many people prefer to use the Options button first, and simply eliminate things they never want to see at all, before going back and using the Up/Down buttons to shift columns they do want to the left/right, respectively.  Once you have gone through the columns display list checking and unchecking those you do or do not want displayed, hit Escape.  Note 2:  When you activate the Options button, the native Thunderbird column list picker appears, and the Add-On dialog closes.  If you then want to move columns afterward, you do have to hit NVDA + H to get it to open again.

5.      The buttons are named Up and Down because that’s the actual layout of the column list in the add-on’s dialog. However, you can and should think of moving a column up in that list as moving it Left as it displays in the Inbox columns.  Conversely, down moves the column to the right.  That is the sole purpose of either of those two buttons, to move the selected/focused column to the left or right in the order they’re displayed in the Inbox columns.

6.      Once you’re done with all your rearranging, there is a Close button at the bottom of the dialog.  This button has no shortcut, so you need to navigate to it in order to close the column moving feature of the Mozilla Apps Enhancements add-on and just go right back to Thunderbird.

--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: Google Docs and Browse Mode

Jonathan Milam
 

Yes, I have this issue as well.  When you loaded the document, were you able to see it in its entirety from beginning to end in browse mode?

Jonathan


On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 7:59 AM Christopher Bartlett <themusicalbrewer@...> wrote:
I encountered a situation yesterday where I was attempting to read a 20 page google doc and couldn't use say all in either mode.  Also, the Google Docs keyboard shortcut crtl-alt-a ctrl-alt/r, which is supposed to read the document aloud from the cursor wasn't working.

Christopher Bartlett


On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 8:24 PM Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:


Well being jaws you probably need jaws scripts for google docs.




On 4/02/2022 7:54 am, Jonathan Milam wrote:
Actually, JAWS is apparently worse, because I can't even read a Google Doc in browse mode with JAWS.  I can of course read it within Focus mode with NVDA, but the drawback there is that I can't easily use WebNav commands.


Jonathan


On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 1:42 PM Milam, Jonathan <milamj@...> wrote:
Hi Brian,

It seems to only happen with docs that are more than a few pages in length.  Interestingly enough, JAWS doesn't have this issue.  Can anyone else replicate?

Jonathan

On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 12:34 PM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 12:00 PM, Jonathan Milam wrote:
I've actually been having this problem for quite a while, and it just never gets resolved unfortunately.
-
Just curious, but what is the size (roughly, and in pages) of these documents?   I'm wondering if this is a "large document" issue or if it occurs on trivially short documents as well.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 



--
Christopher Bartlett

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Jonathan

 

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Re: Google Docs and Browse Mode

Christopher Bartlett
 

I encountered a situation yesterday where I was attempting to read a 20 page google doc and couldn't use say all in either mode.  Also, the Google Docs keyboard shortcut crtl-alt-a ctrl-alt/r, which is supposed to read the document aloud from the cursor wasn't working.

Christopher Bartlett


On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 8:24 PM Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:


Well being jaws you probably need jaws scripts for google docs.




On 4/02/2022 7:54 am, Jonathan Milam wrote:
Actually, JAWS is apparently worse, because I can't even read a Google Doc in browse mode with JAWS.  I can of course read it within Focus mode with NVDA, but the drawback there is that I can't easily use WebNav commands.


Jonathan


On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 1:42 PM Milam, Jonathan <milamj@...> wrote:
Hi Brian,

It seems to only happen with docs that are more than a few pages in length.  Interestingly enough, JAWS doesn't have this issue.  Can anyone else replicate?

Jonathan

On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 12:34 PM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 12:00 PM, Jonathan Milam wrote:
I've actually been having this problem for quite a while, and it just never gets resolved unfortunately.
-
Just curious, but what is the size (roughly, and in pages) of these documents?   I'm wondering if this is a "large document" issue or if it occurs on trivially short documents as well.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 



--
Christopher Bartlett


Re: The Mozilla Apps Enhancements Add-On: How to use it to customize Thunderbird mailbox columns displayed

Jacob Kruger
 

I just uninstalled, and reinstalled add-on, and, same thing - am guessing some other add-on and this one are somehow interfering with each other, since have quite a few installed, but, let's see.


Jacob Kruger
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2022-02-04 12:23 PM, Mobeen Iqbal wrote:

Hi.

This happened to me, updating the add-on fixed it.

cheers,

Mo.

On 04/02/2022 10:19, Jacob Kruger wrote:

Gene, exactly that - just reverts back to message list.


Jacob Kruger
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2022-02-04 12:13 PM, Gene wrote:

What closes the dialog?  when you press the options button, you can up and down arrow through the list of headers.  Are you saying you can't do that?  Are you saying that pressing the space bar on the options button closes the dialog?


Gene

On 2/4/2022 3:52 AM, Jacob Kruger wrote:

Brian, just a quick question - have been using this add-on for quite a while, but, if I try to activate the options button right now, in the portable version of thunderbird, while the column ordering works fine, it immediately closes the dialogue, with nothing else happening, and, while I do hear a tone, there's nothing showing up in the log contents?


As in, just wondering if/when some form of compatibility issue could have arisen in this context?, since definitely used the functionality before?


And, this is on windows 10 64 bit 21H2, with NVDA 2021.3.1, and, the version of the add-on shows up as 1.15, while the current version of thunderbird is 91.5.0, but, it is the portable version.


If nobody else experiences this behaviour, I might need to try disabling some other add-ons, or something to try figure it out, but, not the end of the world for me at moment.


Jacob Kruger
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2022-02-03 11:01 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
The documentation for this add-on is, shall we say, scant.  It requires a lot of figuring out if you don't know how to use many of its features.

We have another topic today discussing an issue with a Thunderbird column having made its appearance and being read as zero, and that column is not wanted.  The easiest thing to do is to use this add-on to hide each and every column you know you don't care to see, then after doing that rearranging them in the left to right order you want them to have. 

Using the Thunderbird Columns Arranging Feature of the Mozilla Apps Enhancements NVDA Add-On

This presumes you’ve already got Thunderbird open and are sitting with your Inbox displaying and with focus on some specific message in the message list.  It makes no difference which one.

1.        Hit NVDA+H.  This displays a dialog, entitled Manage Columns, in which you can change the order of the columns in the message list.

2.      All of the Thunderbird columns are shown in a list, in the order they are showing from left to right, when this dialog opens.

3.       Whatever column name has focus is the one that will be manipulated with one or more of the three control buttons that appear directly beneath the list of columns, in order from left to right:

a.      Up  [ALT + U]

b.      Down [ALT + D]

c.       Options [ALT + O]

4.      The Options button opens the native Thunderbird column picker, which allows you to show or hide any given column from display, in a way that you can access it using up and down arrows.  Again, the ordering as shown in that columnar list of columns is leftmost at the top and rightmost at the bottom.  Those columns that are checked are displayed, those columns that are unchecked are not.  You hit Enter to toggle the checked and unchecked state.  Note: while the initial state is announced when you are traversing the column list, for some reason it is not when you hit Enter to change the state, and is never announced again no matter how many times you hit Enter unless you close this dialog and open it again.  This is not likely to be a problem, but you need to be aware of that.  Many people prefer to use the Options button first, and simply eliminate things they never want to see at all, before going back and using the Up/Down buttons to shift columns they do want to the left/right, respectively.  Once you have gone through the columns display list checking and unchecking those you do or do not want displayed, hit Escape.  Note 2:  When you activate the Options button, the native Thunderbird column list picker appears, and the Add-On dialog closes.  If you then want to move columns afterward, you do have to hit NVDA + H to get it to open again.

5.      The buttons are named Up and Down because that’s the actual layout of the column list in the add-on’s dialog. However, you can and should think of moving a column up in that list as moving it Left as it displays in the Inbox columns.  Conversely, down moves the column to the right.  That is the sole purpose of either of those two buttons, to move the selected/focused column to the left or right in the order they’re displayed in the Inbox columns.

6.      Once you’re done with all your rearranging, there is a Close button at the bottom of the dialog.  This button has no shortcut, so you need to navigate to it in order to close the column moving feature of the Mozilla Apps Enhancements add-on and just go right back to Thunderbird.

--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: The Mozilla Apps Enhancements Add-On: How to use it to customize Thunderbird mailbox columns displayed

Mobeen Iqbal
 

Hi.

This happened to me, updating the add-on fixed it.

cheers,

Mo.

On 04/02/2022 10:19, Jacob Kruger wrote:

Gene, exactly that - just reverts back to message list.


Jacob Kruger
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2022-02-04 12:13 PM, Gene wrote:

What closes the dialog?  when you press the options button, you can up and down arrow through the list of headers.  Are you saying you can't do that?  Are you saying that pressing the space bar on the options button closes the dialog?


Gene

On 2/4/2022 3:52 AM, Jacob Kruger wrote:

Brian, just a quick question - have been using this add-on for quite a while, but, if I try to activate the options button right now, in the portable version of thunderbird, while the column ordering works fine, it immediately closes the dialogue, with nothing else happening, and, while I do hear a tone, there's nothing showing up in the log contents?


As in, just wondering if/when some form of compatibility issue could have arisen in this context?, since definitely used the functionality before?


And, this is on windows 10 64 bit 21H2, with NVDA 2021.3.1, and, the version of the add-on shows up as 1.15, while the current version of thunderbird is 91.5.0, but, it is the portable version.


If nobody else experiences this behaviour, I might need to try disabling some other add-ons, or something to try figure it out, but, not the end of the world for me at moment.


Jacob Kruger
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2022-02-03 11:01 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
The documentation for this add-on is, shall we say, scant.  It requires a lot of figuring out if you don't know how to use many of its features.

We have another topic today discussing an issue with a Thunderbird column having made its appearance and being read as zero, and that column is not wanted.  The easiest thing to do is to use this add-on to hide each and every column you know you don't care to see, then after doing that rearranging them in the left to right order you want them to have. 

Using the Thunderbird Columns Arranging Feature of the Mozilla Apps Enhancements NVDA Add-On

This presumes you’ve already got Thunderbird open and are sitting with your Inbox displaying and with focus on some specific message in the message list.  It makes no difference which one.

1.        Hit NVDA+H.  This displays a dialog, entitled Manage Columns, in which you can change the order of the columns in the message list.

2.      All of the Thunderbird columns are shown in a list, in the order they are showing from left to right, when this dialog opens.

3.       Whatever column name has focus is the one that will be manipulated with one or more of the three control buttons that appear directly beneath the list of columns, in order from left to right:

a.      Up  [ALT + U]

b.      Down [ALT + D]

c.       Options [ALT + O]

4.      The Options button opens the native Thunderbird column picker, which allows you to show or hide any given column from display, in a way that you can access it using up and down arrows.  Again, the ordering as shown in that columnar list of columns is leftmost at the top and rightmost at the bottom.  Those columns that are checked are displayed, those columns that are unchecked are not.  You hit Enter to toggle the checked and unchecked state.  Note: while the initial state is announced when you are traversing the column list, for some reason it is not when you hit Enter to change the state, and is never announced again no matter how many times you hit Enter unless you close this dialog and open it again.  This is not likely to be a problem, but you need to be aware of that.  Many people prefer to use the Options button first, and simply eliminate things they never want to see at all, before going back and using the Up/Down buttons to shift columns they do want to the left/right, respectively.  Once you have gone through the columns display list checking and unchecking those you do or do not want displayed, hit Escape.  Note 2:  When you activate the Options button, the native Thunderbird column list picker appears, and the Add-On dialog closes.  If you then want to move columns afterward, you do have to hit NVDA + H to get it to open again.

5.      The buttons are named Up and Down because that’s the actual layout of the column list in the add-on’s dialog. However, you can and should think of moving a column up in that list as moving it Left as it displays in the Inbox columns.  Conversely, down moves the column to the right.  That is the sole purpose of either of those two buttons, to move the selected/focused column to the left or right in the order they’re displayed in the Inbox columns.

6.      Once you’re done with all your rearranging, there is a Close button at the bottom of the dialog.  This button has no shortcut, so you need to navigate to it in order to close the column moving feature of the Mozilla Apps Enhancements add-on and just go right back to Thunderbird.

--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: The Mozilla Apps Enhancements Add-On: How to use it to customize Thunderbird mailbox columns displayed

Jacob Kruger
 

Gene, exactly that - just reverts back to message list.


Jacob Kruger
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2022-02-04 12:13 PM, Gene wrote:

What closes the dialog?  when you press the options button, you can up and down arrow through the list of headers.  Are you saying you can't do that?  Are you saying that pressing the space bar on the options button closes the dialog?


Gene

On 2/4/2022 3:52 AM, Jacob Kruger wrote:

Brian, just a quick question - have been using this add-on for quite a while, but, if I try to activate the options button right now, in the portable version of thunderbird, while the column ordering works fine, it immediately closes the dialogue, with nothing else happening, and, while I do hear a tone, there's nothing showing up in the log contents?


As in, just wondering if/when some form of compatibility issue could have arisen in this context?, since definitely used the functionality before?


And, this is on windows 10 64 bit 21H2, with NVDA 2021.3.1, and, the version of the add-on shows up as 1.15, while the current version of thunderbird is 91.5.0, but, it is the portable version.


If nobody else experiences this behaviour, I might need to try disabling some other add-ons, or something to try figure it out, but, not the end of the world for me at moment.


Jacob Kruger
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2022-02-03 11:01 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
The documentation for this add-on is, shall we say, scant.  It requires a lot of figuring out if you don't know how to use many of its features.

We have another topic today discussing an issue with a Thunderbird column having made its appearance and being read as zero, and that column is not wanted.  The easiest thing to do is to use this add-on to hide each and every column you know you don't care to see, then after doing that rearranging them in the left to right order you want them to have. 

Using the Thunderbird Columns Arranging Feature of the Mozilla Apps Enhancements NVDA Add-On

This presumes you’ve already got Thunderbird open and are sitting with your Inbox displaying and with focus on some specific message in the message list.  It makes no difference which one.

1.        Hit NVDA+H.  This displays a dialog, entitled Manage Columns, in which you can change the order of the columns in the message list.

2.      All of the Thunderbird columns are shown in a list, in the order they are showing from left to right, when this dialog opens.

3.       Whatever column name has focus is the one that will be manipulated with one or more of the three control buttons that appear directly beneath the list of columns, in order from left to right:

a.      Up  [ALT + U]

b.      Down [ALT + D]

c.       Options [ALT + O]

4.      The Options button opens the native Thunderbird column picker, which allows you to show or hide any given column from display, in a way that you can access it using up and down arrows.  Again, the ordering as shown in that columnar list of columns is leftmost at the top and rightmost at the bottom.  Those columns that are checked are displayed, those columns that are unchecked are not.  You hit Enter to toggle the checked and unchecked state.  Note: while the initial state is announced when you are traversing the column list, for some reason it is not when you hit Enter to change the state, and is never announced again no matter how many times you hit Enter unless you close this dialog and open it again.  This is not likely to be a problem, but you need to be aware of that.  Many people prefer to use the Options button first, and simply eliminate things they never want to see at all, before going back and using the Up/Down buttons to shift columns they do want to the left/right, respectively.  Once you have gone through the columns display list checking and unchecking those you do or do not want displayed, hit Escape.  Note 2:  When you activate the Options button, the native Thunderbird column list picker appears, and the Add-On dialog closes.  If you then want to move columns afterward, you do have to hit NVDA + H to get it to open again.

5.      The buttons are named Up and Down because that’s the actual layout of the column list in the add-on’s dialog. However, you can and should think of moving a column up in that list as moving it Left as it displays in the Inbox columns.  Conversely, down moves the column to the right.  That is the sole purpose of either of those two buttons, to move the selected/focused column to the left or right in the order they’re displayed in the Inbox columns.

6.      Once you’re done with all your rearranging, there is a Close button at the bottom of the dialog.  This button has no shortcut, so you need to navigate to it in order to close the column moving feature of the Mozilla Apps Enhancements add-on and just go right back to Thunderbird.

--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: The Mozilla Apps Enhancements Add-On: How to use it to customize Thunderbird mailbox columns displayed

Gene
 

What closes the dialog?  when you press the options button, you can up and down arrow through the list of headers.  Are you saying you can't do that?  Are you saying that pressing the space bar on the options button closes the dialog?


Gene

On 2/4/2022 3:52 AM, Jacob Kruger wrote:

Brian, just a quick question - have been using this add-on for quite a while, but, if I try to activate the options button right now, in the portable version of thunderbird, while the column ordering works fine, it immediately closes the dialogue, with nothing else happening, and, while I do hear a tone, there's nothing showing up in the log contents?


As in, just wondering if/when some form of compatibility issue could have arisen in this context?, since definitely used the functionality before?


And, this is on windows 10 64 bit 21H2, with NVDA 2021.3.1, and, the version of the add-on shows up as 1.15, while the current version of thunderbird is 91.5.0, but, it is the portable version.


If nobody else experiences this behaviour, I might need to try disabling some other add-ons, or something to try figure it out, but, not the end of the world for me at moment.


Jacob Kruger
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2022-02-03 11:01 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
The documentation for this add-on is, shall we say, scant.  It requires a lot of figuring out if you don't know how to use many of its features.

We have another topic today discussing an issue with a Thunderbird column having made its appearance and being read as zero, and that column is not wanted.  The easiest thing to do is to use this add-on to hide each and every column you know you don't care to see, then after doing that rearranging them in the left to right order you want them to have. 

Using the Thunderbird Columns Arranging Feature of the Mozilla Apps Enhancements NVDA Add-On

This presumes you’ve already got Thunderbird open and are sitting with your Inbox displaying and with focus on some specific message in the message list.  It makes no difference which one.

1.        Hit NVDA+H.  This displays a dialog, entitled Manage Columns, in which you can change the order of the columns in the message list.

2.      All of the Thunderbird columns are shown in a list, in the order they are showing from left to right, when this dialog opens.

3.       Whatever column name has focus is the one that will be manipulated with one or more of the three control buttons that appear directly beneath the list of columns, in order from left to right:

a.      Up  [ALT + U]

b.      Down [ALT + D]

c.       Options [ALT + O]

4.      The Options button opens the native Thunderbird column picker, which allows you to show or hide any given column from display, in a way that you can access it using up and down arrows.  Again, the ordering as shown in that columnar list of columns is leftmost at the top and rightmost at the bottom.  Those columns that are checked are displayed, those columns that are unchecked are not.  You hit Enter to toggle the checked and unchecked state.  Note: while the initial state is announced when you are traversing the column list, for some reason it is not when you hit Enter to change the state, and is never announced again no matter how many times you hit Enter unless you close this dialog and open it again.  This is not likely to be a problem, but you need to be aware of that.  Many people prefer to use the Options button first, and simply eliminate things they never want to see at all, before going back and using the Up/Down buttons to shift columns they do want to the left/right, respectively.  Once you have gone through the columns display list checking and unchecking those you do or do not want displayed, hit Escape.  Note 2:  When you activate the Options button, the native Thunderbird column list picker appears, and the Add-On dialog closes.  If you then want to move columns afterward, you do have to hit NVDA + H to get it to open again.

5.      The buttons are named Up and Down because that’s the actual layout of the column list in the add-on’s dialog. However, you can and should think of moving a column up in that list as moving it Left as it displays in the Inbox columns.  Conversely, down moves the column to the right.  That is the sole purpose of either of those two buttons, to move the selected/focused column to the left or right in the order they’re displayed in the Inbox columns.

6.      Once you’re done with all your rearranging, there is a Close button at the bottom of the dialog.  This button has no shortcut, so you need to navigate to it in order to close the column moving feature of the Mozilla Apps Enhancements add-on and just go right back to Thunderbird.

--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: The Mozilla Apps Enhancements Add-On: How to use it to customize Thunderbird mailbox columns displayed

Jacob Kruger
 

Brian, just a quick question - have been using this add-on for quite a while, but, if I try to activate the options button right now, in the portable version of thunderbird, while the column ordering works fine, it immediately closes the dialogue, with nothing else happening, and, while I do hear a tone, there's nothing showing up in the log contents?


As in, just wondering if/when some form of compatibility issue could have arisen in this context?, since definitely used the functionality before?


And, this is on windows 10 64 bit 21H2, with NVDA 2021.3.1, and, the version of the add-on shows up as 1.15, while the current version of thunderbird is 91.5.0, but, it is the portable version.


If nobody else experiences this behaviour, I might need to try disabling some other add-ons, or something to try figure it out, but, not the end of the world for me at moment.


Jacob Kruger
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2022-02-03 11:01 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
The documentation for this add-on is, shall we say, scant.  It requires a lot of figuring out if you don't know how to use many of its features.

We have another topic today discussing an issue with a Thunderbird column having made its appearance and being read as zero, and that column is not wanted.  The easiest thing to do is to use this add-on to hide each and every column you know you don't care to see, then after doing that rearranging them in the left to right order you want them to have. 

Using the Thunderbird Columns Arranging Feature of the Mozilla Apps Enhancements NVDA Add-On

This presumes you’ve already got Thunderbird open and are sitting with your Inbox displaying and with focus on some specific message in the message list.  It makes no difference which one.

1.        Hit NVDA+H.  This displays a dialog, entitled Manage Columns, in which you can change the order of the columns in the message list.

2.      All of the Thunderbird columns are shown in a list, in the order they are showing from left to right, when this dialog opens.

3.       Whatever column name has focus is the one that will be manipulated with one or more of the three control buttons that appear directly beneath the list of columns, in order from left to right:

a.      Up  [ALT + U]

b.      Down [ALT + D]

c.       Options [ALT + O]

4.      The Options button opens the native Thunderbird column picker, which allows you to show or hide any given column from display, in a way that you can access it using up and down arrows.  Again, the ordering as shown in that columnar list of columns is leftmost at the top and rightmost at the bottom.  Those columns that are checked are displayed, those columns that are unchecked are not.  You hit Enter to toggle the checked and unchecked state.  Note: while the initial state is announced when you are traversing the column list, for some reason it is not when you hit Enter to change the state, and is never announced again no matter how many times you hit Enter unless you close this dialog and open it again.  This is not likely to be a problem, but you need to be aware of that.  Many people prefer to use the Options button first, and simply eliminate things they never want to see at all, before going back and using the Up/Down buttons to shift columns they do want to the left/right, respectively.  Once you have gone through the columns display list checking and unchecking those you do or do not want displayed, hit Escape.  Note 2:  When you activate the Options button, the native Thunderbird column list picker appears, and the Add-On dialog closes.  If you then want to move columns afterward, you do have to hit NVDA + H to get it to open again.

5.      The buttons are named Up and Down because that’s the actual layout of the column list in the add-on’s dialog. However, you can and should think of moving a column up in that list as moving it Left as it displays in the Inbox columns.  Conversely, down moves the column to the right.  That is the sole purpose of either of those two buttons, to move the selected/focused column to the left or right in the order they’re displayed in the Inbox columns.

6.      Once you’re done with all your rearranging, there is a Close button at the bottom of the dialog.  This button has no shortcut, so you need to navigate to it in order to close the column moving feature of the Mozilla Apps Enhancements add-on and just go right back to Thunderbird.

--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: The Mozilla Apps Enhancements Add-On: How to use it to customize Thunderbird mailbox columns displayed

Pele West
 

Hi Brian

Thanks so much for this description of manipulating columns.

Pele West


Re: NVDA Saying 0 In Mozilla Thunderbird

Pele West
 

Hi Mo

Thanks.

That seems to work for a time, and then the zero comes back. I will play around with the settings.

Pele


Re: Vocalizer for NVDA

 

I have gone with the sapi voices.

They can be a bit touchy but if you buy them from atguys then atguys at least has good support.



On 4/02/2022 5:49 pm, Socheat wrote:
Hello,

Here are my opinions on both speech synths.
First, Code Factory voices for NVDA
Pros:
  • You get two voices, bundled together in one package.
  • affordable, low costs add-on for NVDA on the market, if you are looking for inexpensive voices to use with NVDA.
  • Seven days free trial.
  • Uses the new, up to date embedded voices from Nuance.
Cons:
  • Automatic language switching support just doesn't work.
  • No compack voices, if you're a fan of those.
  • Code Factory's support is terrible.
  • Doesn't have an ability to check the remaining activations
  • Some pronunciation issues with Eloquence.

Now, for Tiflotecnia's Vocalizer
Pros:
  • Wide variety of compack voices to choose from.
  • Automatic language switching support does work.
  • Rui is usually quick in responding to emails, when you have problems.
  • You get an email alert, whenever you deactivate a license from a computer, to tell you of your activation count.
  • Convenient ways to check your activation count, via the website, and from within the Vocalizer driver itself.
Cons:
  • Not the cheapest option, if you're on a tight budget.
  • Uses the slightly outdated voices (1.1.1), while Code Factory uses the Vocalizer expressive 2 voices.
  • No free trial, unfortunately.
  • The driver that you get from the main website (https://vocalizer-nvda.com), sometimes may not be the newest.

Bottom line:
If you want Eloquence, and Vocalizer voices bundled together in one package, and don't mind Code Factory's support, automatic language switching support isn't your priority, then go for Code Factory voices. You could save yourself a few bucks.
But, if you don't mind spending a little more cash, and outdated voices aren't a problem for you, go with Tiflotecnia vocalizer. Especially if automatic language switching support, and the technical support is your top priority.

Socheat

On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 3:18 AM Don H <lmddh50@...> wrote:
I asked this question a while back but got no response.  I purchased my
vocalizer/eloquinse NVDA addon from AT guys.  The addon was produced by
Code Factory.  There is another on line vendor called Tiflotecnia.  Is
the same addon also produced by Code Factory?  If they are two different
addons, which works best with the latest version of NVDA.
Thanks






Re: Vocalizer for NVDA

Socheat
 

Hello,

Here are my opinions on both speech synths.
First, Code Factory voices for NVDA
Pros:
  • You get two voices, bundled together in one package.
  • affordable, low costs add-on for NVDA on the market, if you are looking for inexpensive voices to use with NVDA.
  • Seven days free trial.
  • Uses the new, up to date embedded voices from Nuance.
Cons:
  • Automatic language switching support just doesn't work.
  • No compack voices, if you're a fan of those.
  • Code Factory's support is terrible.
  • Doesn't have an ability to check the remaining activations
  • Some pronunciation issues with Eloquence.

Now, for Tiflotecnia's Vocalizer
Pros:
  • Wide variety of compack voices to choose from.
  • Automatic language switching support does work.
  • Rui is usually quick in responding to emails, when you have problems.
  • You get an email alert, whenever you deactivate a license from a computer, to tell you of your activation count.
  • Convenient ways to check your activation count, via the website, and from within the Vocalizer driver itself.
Cons:
  • Not the cheapest option, if you're on a tight budget.
  • Uses the slightly outdated voices (1.1.1), while Code Factory uses the Vocalizer expressive 2 voices.
  • No free trial, unfortunately.
  • The driver that you get from the main website (https://vocalizer-nvda.com), sometimes may not be the newest.

Bottom line:
If you want Eloquence, and Vocalizer voices bundled together in one package, and don't mind Code Factory's support, automatic language switching support isn't your priority, then go for Code Factory voices. You could save yourself a few bucks.
But, if you don't mind spending a little more cash, and outdated voices aren't a problem for you, go with Tiflotecnia vocalizer. Especially if automatic language switching support, and the technical support is your top priority.

Socheat

On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 3:18 AM Don H <lmddh50@...> wrote:
I asked this question a while back but got no response.  I purchased my
vocalizer/eloquinse NVDA addon from AT guys.  The addon was produced by
Code Factory.  There is another on line vendor called Tiflotecnia.  Is
the same addon also produced by Code Factory?  If they are two different
addons, which works best with the latest version of NVDA.
Thanks






Re: Catching a buzz

Gene
 

Yes.  I don't know if it would annoy me if I used speakers but I use headphones.  It may be more noticeable.


Gene

On 2/3/2022 10:07 PM, Chris Smart wrote:
It's not a loud sound.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: February 3, 2022 10:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Catching a buzz

thank you. Evidently, you mean the feature that announces spelling errors when you read a flagged word. I want to hear the announcement but I don't want to hear the buzz when I'm typing and an error is detected. this appears to be a sound NVDA makes. When I put it to sleep and intentionally make an error, I don't hear the sound.


Gene

On 2/3/2022 8:53 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi Gene


Have a look under the document settings in nvda and uncheck spelling
errors and that sound goes.


It does not worry me as I know when it happens I have mis spelled the
word.


Gene nz


On 4/02/2022 3:46 pm, Gene wrote:
Is there any way to stop the buzz that NVDA makes when something is
flagged as an error as you type? I don't want to turn off the flag
feature but I don't want to be distracted by the buzz while I'm writing.


Gene















Re: Catching a buzz

 

Hi all,

The actual setting to change is "Play sound for spelling errors while typing" found in keyboard settings.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Catching a buzz

Chris Smart
 

Thank god.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: February 3, 2022 11:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Catching a buzz

I stopped the sound. I checked in the waves folder and I found a text error wave file. I played it and it is the sound I wanted to eliminate. I hadn't expected the buzz to be made by a wave file but it is. I changed the extension to bak on the file.


Gene

On 2/3/2022 9:10 PM, Gene wrote:
I did a little more experimenting and I found that turning off speak
typed characters stops the sound.


Gene

On 2/3/2022 9:03 PM, Gene wrote:
thank you. Evidently, you mean the feature that announces spelling
errors when you read a flagged word. I want to hear the announcement
but I don't want to hear the buzz when I'm typing and an error is
detected. this appears to be a sound NVDA makes. When I put it to
sleep and intentionally make an error, I don't hear the sound.


Gene

On 2/3/2022 8:53 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi Gene


Have a look under the document settings in nvda and uncheck spelling
errors and that sound goes.


It does not worry me as I know when it happens I have mis spelled
the word.


Gene nz


On 4/02/2022 3:46 pm, Gene wrote:
Is there any way to stop the buzz that NVDA makes when something is
flagged as an error as you type? I don't want to turn off the flag
feature but I don't want to be distracted by the buzz while I'm
writing.


Gene









Re: Catching a buzz

Chris Smart
 

It's not a loud sound.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: February 3, 2022 10:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Catching a buzz

thank you. Evidently, you mean the feature that announces spelling errors when you read a flagged word. I want to hear the announcement but I don't want to hear the buzz when I'm typing and an error is detected. this appears to be a sound NVDA makes. When I put it to sleep and intentionally make an error, I don't hear the sound.


Gene

On 2/3/2022 8:53 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi Gene


Have a look under the document settings in nvda and uncheck spelling
errors and that sound goes.


It does not worry me as I know when it happens I have mis spelled the
word.


Gene nz


On 4/02/2022 3:46 pm, Gene wrote:
Is there any way to stop the buzz that NVDA makes when something is
flagged as an error as you type? I don't want to turn off the flag
feature but I don't want to be distracted by the buzz while I'm writing.


Gene









Re: Catching a buzz

Gene
 

I stopped the sound.  I checked in the waves folder and I found a text error wave file.  I played it and it is the sound I wanted to eliminate.  I hadn't expected the buzz to be made by a wave file but it is.  I changed the extension to bak on the file.


Gene

On 2/3/2022 9:10 PM, Gene wrote:
I did a little more experimenting and I found  that turning off speak typed characters stops the sound.


Gene

On 2/3/2022 9:03 PM, Gene wrote:
thank you.  Evidently, you mean the feature that announces spelling errors when you read a flagged word.  I want to hear the announcement but I don't want to hear the buzz when I'm typing and an error is detected.  this appears to be a sound NVDA makes. When I put it to sleep and intentionally make an error, I don't hear the sound.


Gene

On 2/3/2022 8:53 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi Gene


Have a look under the document settings in nvda and uncheck spelling errors and that sound goes.


It does not worry me as I know when it happens I have mis spelled the word.


Gene nz


On 4/02/2022 3:46 pm, Gene wrote:
Is there any way to stop the buzz that NVDA makes when something is flagged as an error as you type? I don't want to turn off the flag feature but I don't want to be distracted by the buzz while I'm writing.


Gene








Re: NVDA Not speaking text when using keyboard arrow keys

Quentin Christensen
 

I'm not sure about the issue, but it would be good to get more information in order to ascertain exactly what is going on.  Steps for doing that below:

First of all, your NVDA key is either INSERT or CAPS LOCK, depending on how you have NVDA setup.  So, to set your log level:
1) Press NVDA+control+g to open the general settings
2) Press TAB until the focus is on 'Log level'
3) Press DOWN ARROW to get to 'Debug'
4) Press ENTER to close settings
5) Press NVDA+control+c to save settings.

To restart NVDA with add-ons disabled:
1) Press NVDA+Q
2) Down arrow to 'Restart with add-ons disabled'
3) Press ENTER

Next, recreate the issue - do whatever causes problems.

To get NVDA's log after that, there are several ways:

If NVDA is still running and usable:
1) Press NVDA+F1 to open the log viewer
2) Press CONTROL+A to select all.
3) Press CONTROL+C to copy.
4) Open your email and start a message to info@..., type a little about what you have done and what has happened in the body of the message, then leave a space and:
5) Press CONTROL+V to paste the copied log.

Instead of using the log viewer, or if NVDA has stopped and you needed to restart it or the computer:
1) Press WINDOWS+R to open Windows' Run dialog
2) Type %temp% and press ENTER (that's the percent sign, the letter t e m p and another percent sign).  Windows Explorer should open to the temporary folder.
3) Press TAB to move to the file list
4) Press N and move down to find up to three files:  nvda.log (the log file for the current or most recent NVDA session), nvda-old.log (the log from the previous session) and nvda-crash.dmp (a crash dump with more information created if NVDA itself crashes).
5) Depending on what email program you use, the steps will be different, but attach as many of those three files to an email to info@... as will be useful, and again in the body of the message describe a bit about what has happened.

(Alternatively, if you are confident in being able to articulate the issue and the steps and that it definitely is a bug, you can search for it on https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues and if not there, write up a "New issue")

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 8:35 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I don't know if the Word problem is the same but in general, it isn't whether you leave the program and then return.  Try pressing alt to open menus or move you to the ribbons, then press alt again.  That should solve the problem in general, though I don't know if it will in word.


Gene

On 2/3/2022 2:27 PM, Russell James wrote:
Greetings,

While I have experienced this problem and we have had discussions among group members, I don't recall having this problem while editing in Word documents until today.

With high hopes that this will be fixed some day, I wonder if anyone has a convenient work around for this?

In the other cases I have experienced, editing messages in Linked-in and GMail, using different FireFox browsers, if I switch focus elsewhere, using the physical mouse and clicking, then returning focus to the edit box, the problem goes away and therefore provides a sort of work around.

However, there must be a more convenient way to do this...

Thank you

Russ



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Training and Support Manager

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