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Re: Using AnyDesk with NVDA

Mani Iyer
 

Hello Janet,
Below I am pasting Gene’s tutorial on object browsing. It has helped me and I hope it helps you too.

Warmly,
Mani

the tutorial begins immediately below.
 
Given all the discussion of object review, I’ve prepared a short, or rather short, tutorial teaching something about object navigation and showing the difference between it and screen review.  Listening at a moderate speed, my guess is that it will take somewhere between about seven and ten minutes to listen to.  Of course, doing what I describe will take a little longer or perhaps more, depending on how much you want to play and repeat things to aid memory and perhaps understanding.
 
I hope some people find it useful.  
 
Many people may be wondering what is being talked about and this will give those who are curious some idea.  
I hope it also encourages those who would benefit from learning object navigation to do so.  It may also demystify the subject to an extent and give people more confidence that they can learn and understand object navigation.
 
I think most, perhaps almost all, of object navigation is better taught by having people do things rather than by mainly explaining them.  
 
This tutorial will teach something about moving in an object and from one object to another object.  It will also show how objects can vary radically in size and it may clear up confusion some people may have about when they are moving through an object or reviewing the screen.  I suspect a fair number of people may have this confusion.
 
I shall use desktop layout commands.  I don’t use nor know the laptop layout commands.  Someone may want to provide them.
 
We will use WordPad for our examples.
First, issue the command numpad insert plus numpad 1 until you hear no previous review mode.  That is to make sure you didn’t use screen review and forget to go back.  Object navigation is the default but I want to make sure everyone is using it.
 
Now, do the following:
Open WordPad.  Type a bit of text.  Now issue the close command.  You are in the are you sure dialog.
Press the following keys and listen to all speech.
Numpad 8.
Numpad 7.
Numpad 9.
Numpad 8 reads the current line in the object you are in.  You hear save.
Numpad 7 moves back one line in the object.
You hear top, save.
That’s because there is no previous line.
Numpad 9 moves you to the next line in the object.  You hear bottom, save because there is no next line.
This is a small object.  It is only one button.  Button isn’t announced for some reason but it is a save button.
Now, let’s move to the next object to the right.  Issue the command numpad insert plus numpad 6.  
You have now moved to the next object.  It is a bit of text, the do you want to save question.  For some reason, this dialog doesn’t work as expected when moving to next and previous objects.  Usually, if you move to the next and previous objects, you will get to the last one in the direction you are moving.  At that point, you will hear either no previous or no next.
To move to the right by object the command is numpad insert plus numpad 6.  To move to the left, the command is numpad insert numpad 4.  
Each time you move to another object, you can use the review keys I showed you earlier to see if you can move around the object and read the current line.  That is, numpad 7, back line, numpad 8, say current line, numpad 9, forward one line.
 
If you were using screen review, you would use the same commands to review the screen, numpad 8, 7, and 9.  You would be moving in the screen, not specifically in an object.  
 
At times objects are small as these are, at times they are very large.  
 
To see a very large or a larger object, finish closing WordPad, then open a large document in WordPad.  Either that or open WordPad and type a number of lines of text.  
If you use numpad 9 to move through the document, you will find that you can move through the entire document.  The entire document is one object.  
If you were using screen review, you would only be able to move as far up or down as the screen that is now visible.  
 
The command to go into screen review, if you want to experiment, is numpad insert plus numpad 7.  There may be another mode, document review, but keep moving until you get to screen review.  Don’t forget to go back to object review when you are finished in screen review.  If you don’t, some things you do may not work as expected.
 
There are times when you can see things using screen review that you can’t using object review.  There are times when the opposite is true.  One isn’t better or more useful than the other, though one may be of more use to a person, depending on how they use a computer, in other words, what programs they run and perhaps, how they work with certain programs.  
 
I hope this short tutorial is useful.
 
Gene


Setting Up a Gmail Filter to Ensure Groups.io Messages are Never Marked as Spam

 
Edited

Across several of the blind and low-vision technology groups on which I participate, there has been a recent and clear uptick in reports of various email providers incorrectly spam-trapping messages from groups.io.

I can't help out folks who aren't using Gmail, but I do have a solution you can employ that tells Gmail to never mark as spam any messages originating from Groups.io (and that means that a groups.io group address is being used in the To: field for that message).  It also has the added advantage of constantly feeding Gmail's spam filtering algorithm additional data points from groups.io messages that your filter catches so that it's less likely that these will ever be marked as spam by Gmail.

Please read through the tutorial in its entirety before starting.  It's only two pages long, and the sections where I list all the filtering options can be skipped over for the next numbered step.  I included those only so those who prefer to tab their way through the page and listen would be oriented as far as what they can expect to hear.  You'll only be using the From criteria for the matching part of the filter and the Never mark as spam option for the action to be taken.

Setting Up a Gmail Filter to Ensure Groups.io Messages are Never Marked as Spam
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Re: NVDA keyboard problem.

Chantelle Buys
 

Well, she told me that it works with jaws and Narrator and she's using
the laptop keyboard.

I offered to connect via teamviewer to see for myself what if I could
fix the problem. Not sure if I'll be able to see what NVDA does but,
I'm willing to try anything.

On 2/16/22, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Does the keyboard work when no screen-reader is present and does
Narrator work?  You don't say whether an internal or external keyboard
is used but I think it is very unlikely security is causing the problem.


Gene
On 2/16/2022 10:49 AM, Chantelle Buys wrote:
Afternoon everyone.

Question.

I have a friend who's NVDA doesn't want to work the way it should on her
laptop.

It has been uninstalled and reinstalled but, the same problem shows up.

For some reason it won't work when she tries to use her keyboard but,
when her sister uses the mouce it reads.

They think that something's blocking NVDA but, she's only got windows
defender on her laptop.

I myself had this problem a long time ago but, it was KasperSky that
caused NVDA to not work at all.

So, does anyone know what the problem could be?





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Re: NVDA keyboard problem.

Gene
 

Does the keyboard work when no screen-reader is present and does Narrator work?  You don't say whether an internal or external keyboard is used but I think it is very unlikely security is causing the problem.


Gene

On 2/16/2022 10:49 AM, Chantelle Buys wrote:
Afternoon everyone.

Question.

I have a friend who's NVDA doesn't want to work the way it should on her laptop.

It has been uninstalled and reinstalled but, the same problem shows up.

For some reason it won't work when she tries to use her keyboard but,
when her sister uses the mouce it reads.

They think that something's blocking NVDA but, she's only got windows
defender on her laptop.

I myself had this problem a long time ago but, it was KasperSky that
caused NVDA to not work at all.

So, does anyone know what the problem could be?


Re: Using AnyDesk with NVDA

Janet Brandly
 

Thanks Brian, I will reach out to him.

 

I’m not getting any speech with either NVDA or JAWS.

 

Someone suggested using Object Navigation.  I haven’t had much experience with that.  Are there settings I need to verify or change in the NVDA menus?  Also, any tips or resources about using Object Navigation are much appreciated

 

Thanks,

 

Janet

 

PS: I don’t only need to connect/accept but I also need to download and upload files.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: February 15, 2022 5:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using AnyDesk with NVDA

 

Janet,

Message   on the archive is from 

Thomas E Williamson, Senior

, who says he uses AnyDesk.  You may want to reach out to him privately.  If he and you are willing to have a "How to use AnyDesk with NVDA," discussion on the Chat Subgroup, that would be great, as the discussion is almost certainly going to skew very heavily toward the commands of AnyDesk itself rather than NVDA proper.
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        New York Times, February 8, 2022

 


NVDA keyboard problem.

Chantelle Buys
 

Afternoon everyone.

Question.

I have a friend who's NVDA doesn't want to work the way it should on her laptop.

It has been uninstalled and reinstalled but, the same problem shows up.

For some reason it won't work when she tries to use her keyboard but,
when her sister uses the mouce it reads.

They think that something's blocking NVDA but, she's only got windows
defender on her laptop.

I myself had this problem a long time ago but, it was KasperSky that
caused NVDA to not work at all.

So, does anyone know what the problem could be?


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Never give up, at any cost.

https://youtu.be/XXe1v5VVV7s


Re: NVDA error when selecting word document in Windows explorer and preview pane activated

Gene
 

I don't know what the case is now, I haven't seen this discussed for years, but in Windows 7, you were supposed to have the preview pane off when using NVDA.  If you didn't, you were likely to have crashes.  You aren't benefited in any way that matters buy having it on.  If you turn it off, the problem will probably disappear.


As far as how to turn it off,  open a folder or drive using file explorer.

move to the ribbons with alt.  Type v to move to the view ribbon, then start tabbing.  You will get to a button for show preview pane.  If it is pressed, press the space bar to turn it off.

The ribbons will close and you will be back in file explorer.


That should solve the problem.


You may report it, I don't know if NVDA is supposed to work when the preview pane is enabled, it wasn't expected to a number of years ago.


Gene

On 2/16/2022 8:56 AM, bering.p wrote:
Hi.
I don't know if this has been reported to NVAccess yet, but here's what I found.
In windows explorer with a Word document (.docx) selected and the preview pane activated, if you type "tab" several times, an error is reported in the NVDA log and it is no longer possible to continue or go back with "tab".

Here is the error:
Starting NVDA version alpha-24688,af3b8440
Windows version: Windows 10 21H1 (10.0.19043) workstation (french language)
no add-on loaded
ERROR - eventHandler.executeEvent (15:19:24.579) - MainThread (3392):
error executing event: gainFocus on <NVDAObjects.IAccessible.winword.ProtectedDocumentPane object at 0x07F3A490> with extra args of {}
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 284, in executeEvent
  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in __init__
  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 107, in next
  File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\winword.pyc", line 466, in event_gainFocus
AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'active'
ERROR - eventHandler.executeEvent (15:19:24.709) - MainThread (3392):
error executing event: gainFocus on <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_WinwordWordDocumentWordDocumentIAccessibleWindowNVDAObject object at 0x07FB62D0> with extra args of {}
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 284, in executeEvent
  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in __init__
  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 107, in next
  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 1195, in event_gainFocus
  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 1050, in reportFocus
  File "speech\speech.pyc", line 558, in speakObject
  File "speech\speech.pyc", line 607, in getObjectSpeech
  File "documentBase.pyc", line 22, in makeTextInfo
  File "NVDAObjects\window\winword.pyc", line 707, in __init__
AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'range'

Are you seeing the same problem?
Thanks.
Best regards.

Paul.





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Re: NVDA remote

Chris Mullins
 
Edited

Hi

I’m sure I have seen Tyler answer this question before and he said the Remote.ini was corrupt and to delete it.  Restart NVDA and it will be regenerated when Remote is initiated.

 

Your client can find the Remote.ini file by pressing Windows+r to open the run dialog and pasting in the following and pressing enter:

 

%AppData%\nvda     [Moderator's Note:  Corrected path.  The "Roaming" part is actually a part of the %appdata% environment variable]

 

Cheers,

Chris

from Mail for Windows


Re: NVDA and slack

Luke Robinett
 

Yeah, we also use Slack exclusively and while most of it is doable, I generally just don’t find it to be the most accessible, screen reader friendly app overall. Microsoft teams is marginally better but it has its issues too

On Feb 16, 2022, at 6:29 AM, Christopher Bartlett <themusicalbrewer@...> wrote:


We use slack at work for almost all communications.  I discovered a problem in reading messages in both the threads view, and in the direct message thread for a particular user.  There was a word in her message that I couldn't hear properly, but when I attempted to review the message, while it would read if I arrowed to it in the thread, it did not appear on say-line, nor could I find it in any screen review mode.
If anyone else uses Slack and has a work-around, I'd love to learn.

Thank you

Christopher Bartlett


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Re: NVDA remote

 

On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 11:07 AM, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:
this is the first time I have seen anything concerning my post.
-
Then check your spam folder, because that reply by Mo came out a very short time after your original query.  If it got spam-trapped, then definitely mark it as "not spam" or do whatever it is your email client specifies (sometimes it's unmark) to take the spam designation off of that message.
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     ~ Commenter, Evangelos, in comments for
         America 2022: Where Everyone Has Rights and No One Has Responsibilities,
        New York Times, February 8, 2022

 


Re: NVDA and slack

 

On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 10:55 AM, Sam Bushman wrote:
Any link to help us find this please?
-
The correction, with link, was sent out long before your request for one, so I presume you have it.  

But, I will post again a direct link to my recent topic, including tutorials:  Browsing and Searching a Groups.io Group Archive

Every member needs to know how to do both.  You're not always necessarily going to be provided with a direct link for a multitude of reasons, and it is not difficult to search the archive and browse the results.
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Constantly insisting on “my rights” with no consideration of “my responsibilities” isn’t “freedom” — it’s adolescence.
     ~ Commenter, Evangelos, in comments for
         America 2022: Where Everyone Has Rights and No One Has Responsibilities,
        New York Times, February 8, 2022

 


Re: NVDA remote

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 


this is the first time I have seen anything concerning my post. 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA remote

On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 09:17 AM, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:
I am having problems with a client in California that when she enters on connect it kicks her out completely.
-
Have you followed the advice offered to you yesterday in message  

You give no indication of having done so.
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Constantly insisting on “my rights” with no consideration of “my responsibilities” isn’t “freedom” — it’s adolescence.
     ~ Commenter, Evangelos, in comments for
         America 2022: Where Everyone Has Rights and No One Has Responsibilities,
        New York Times, February 8, 2022

 


Re: NVDA and slack

Sam Bushman
 

Any link to help us find this please?

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 8:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and slack

 

Have a look at archive topic Slack for Windows Accessibility
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Constantly insisting on “my rights” with no consideration of “my responsibilities” isn’t “freedom” — it’s adolescence.
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         America 2022: Where Everyone Has Rights and No One Has Responsibilities,
        New York Times, February 8, 2022

 


Re: NVDA error when selecting word document in Windows explorer and preview pane activated

 

Paul,

ALT + P does not always work, depending on exactly where focus is.  When it does work, that's fine (and faster), but if it doesn't, ALT + V, P always works as that brings up the View Ribbon then the P activates the preview pane toggle control
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Constantly insisting on “my rights” with no consideration of “my responsibilities” isn’t “freedom” — it’s adolescence.
     ~ Commenter, Evangelos, in comments for
         America 2022: Where Everyone Has Rights and No One Has Responsibilities,
        New York Times, February 8, 2022

 


Re: NVDA and slack

 
Edited

Have a look at archive topic Slack for Windows Accessibility

[Would've helped if I'd actually included the link before hitting Send the first time!]
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Constantly insisting on “my rights” with no consideration of “my responsibilities” isn’t “freedom” — it’s adolescence.
     ~ Commenter, Evangelos, in comments for
         America 2022: Where Everyone Has Rights and No One Has Responsibilities,
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Re: NVDA error when selecting word document in Windows explorer and preview pane activated

bering.p
 

Hi.
Thank you for your reply.
Me neither, I don't use the preview pane and I didn't know that it was possible to activate or deactivate it with "alt+p".
I ran into this problem when opening a word document from explorer and closing it.
The focus is then returned to the preview pane and it is no longer possible to return to the explorer.
Forced to close the explorer and restart it.
Big waste of time.
Best regards.
Paul.
Le 16/02/2022 16:26, Shaun Everiss a écrit :

To be honest I don't use preview pain as a general rule.

However it wouldn't surprise me.

Windows explorer is the flakeyist bit of program I have ever used.

So the only reason I don't switch really is bar coppying various things from time to time I rarely have to fiddle with it.

The shell experience host likes to crash for unknown reasons.

Ending that in task manager and then if not working all instances of explorer and restarting explorer from a new task usually fixes it for a bit though because it can do it again you may have to reboot.

Explorer can choak with large files, large folders loads of smaller files in a folder, transfering larger files etc.

I have not as yet used other shells full time because explorer as a file manager even with ribbons off etc I only use as such less than 10% of my day.


On 17/02/2022 4:18 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
I don't think this is actually an NVDA problem.  I don't normally use the Preview Pane or Details Pane in File Explorer, but I turned it on just to experiment, and without NVDA involvement at first.  What I've found is that once you have tabbed into the Preview Pane, you cannot either tab or shift tab out of it.  Much like the Hotel California, you can check in any time you like, but you can never leave!

Whether there is another keyboard shortcut that allows you to escape the preview pane I do not know, and if tab or shift tab used to work, then Microsoft has somehow introduced a bug into File Explorer.
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Constantly insisting on “my rights” with no consideration of “my responsibilities” isn’t “freedom” — it’s adolescence.
     ~ Commenter, Evangelos, in comments for
         America 2022: Where Everyone Has Rights and No One Has Responsibilities,
        New York Times, February 8, 2022

 



Re: NVDA error when selecting word document in Windows explorer and preview pane activated

 

On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 10:26 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Windows explorer is the flakeyist bit of program I have ever used.
-
Only for you, Shaun.

It's not that I've never seen an Explorer crash, but it's very, very, very seldom over the 36 years or so that I've been using computers on almost a daily basis.

File Explorer has been one of the most rock solid programs I've ever used, and as the primary access method to files under Windows, that's hardly a surprise.
 
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Constantly insisting on “my rights” with no consideration of “my responsibilities” isn’t “freedom” — it’s adolescence.
     ~ Commenter, Evangelos, in comments for
         America 2022: Where Everyone Has Rights and No One Has Responsibilities,
        New York Times, February 8, 2022

 


Re: Arm64 NVDA is running with x86 emulation>

 

Hi,

Actually, here's the answer:

  1. The "most common denominator" for PC processor architecture is x86.
  2. Windows 10 on ARM supports three architectures: 64-bit ARM, 32-bit ARM, and 32-bit x86 via emulation.
  3. NVDA can run on both x86 and ARM by being an x86 app with provisions to support other architectures in certain scenarios.
  4. There are three folders starting with the string "lib" in NVDA's program files folder: lib (x86). lib64 (x64), and libArm64.

Answer: NVDA itself is an x86 application. But that's not the complete picture: it is a hybrid ap in the sense of supporting multiple architectures. While NVDA is a 32-bit application becasue of Python interpreter, it comes with DLL's to deal with certain apps, notably ones requiring screen scraping (display model) and accessing things via code injection. These facilities require talking to apps in their native languages, so NVDA does come with an ARM64 version of remote DLL's.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: NVDA error when selecting word document in Windows explorer and preview pane activated

 

To be honest I don't use preview pain as a general rule.

However it wouldn't surprise me.

Windows explorer is the flakeyist bit of program I have ever used.

So the only reason I don't switch really is bar coppying various things from time to time I rarely have to fiddle with it.

The shell experience host likes to crash for unknown reasons.

Ending that in task manager and then if not working all instances of explorer and restarting explorer from a new task usually fixes it for a bit though because it can do it again you may have to reboot.

Explorer can choak with large files, large folders loads of smaller files in a folder, transfering larger files etc.

I have not as yet used other shells full time because explorer as a file manager even with ribbons off etc I only use as such less than 10% of my day.


On 17/02/2022 4:18 am, Brian Vogel wrote:

I don't think this is actually an NVDA problem.  I don't normally use the Preview Pane or Details Pane in File Explorer, but I turned it on just to experiment, and without NVDA involvement at first.  What I've found is that once you have tabbed into the Preview Pane, you cannot either tab or shift tab out of it.  Much like the Hotel California, you can check in any time you like, but you can never leave!

Whether there is another keyboard shortcut that allows you to escape the preview pane I do not know, and if tab or shift tab used to work, then Microsoft has somehow introduced a bug into File Explorer.
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Constantly insisting on “my rights” with no consideration of “my responsibilities” isn’t “freedom” — it’s adolescence.
     ~ Commenter, Evangelos, in comments for
         America 2022: Where Everyone Has Rights and No One Has Responsibilities,
        New York Times, February 8, 2022

 


Re: NVDA remote

 

On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 09:17 AM, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:
I am having problems with a client in California that when she enters on connect it kicks her out completely.
-
Have you followed the advice offered to you yesterday in message  

You give no indication of having done so.
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Constantly insisting on “my rights” with no consideration of “my responsibilities” isn’t “freedom” — it’s adolescence.
     ~ Commenter, Evangelos, in comments for
         America 2022: Where Everyone Has Rights and No One Has Responsibilities,
        New York Times, February 8, 2022

 

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