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Re: Using AnyDesk with NVDA

 

Mani,

I have posted many, many, many tutorials to this and other groups over the years, and I don't currently have an updated version of the file I pull from when I do this that's suitable for sending out.

I will post the one other tutorial of Gene's that I frequently reference, along with several other related resources (two of which were written by me, and one by Microsoft):
Using Ribbons to Control Program Functions in Microsoft Windows - G. Asner
Using the Ribbon Interface in Windows via the Keyboard
Deeper Detail on the Ribbon Interface and Navigating It
Microsoft Support:  Use the Keyboard to Work with the Ribbon
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Constantly insisting on “my rights” with no consideration of “my responsibilities” isn’t “freedom” — it’s adolescence.
     ~ Commenter, Evangelos, in comments for
         America 2022: Where Everyone Has Rights and No One Has Responsibilities,
        New York Times, February 8, 2022

 


Re: Using AnyDesk with NVDA

Mani Iyer
 

And thank you for the download link. That is certainly more helpful than searching through  my emails.  Are there any other tutorials I can download besides this one? If so, can you please tell me how I can download the rest?

Mani


On Feb 16, 2022, at 12:24 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Mani,

Thanks for that reminder about Gene's tutorial and a big thanks to Gene for writing it.  Since he has said, on many occasions, that anything he posts can be shared, I have collected some of his tutorials over time and created MS-Word documents containing same.  All have full attribution to Gene.  I had not done this for the Object Navigation tutorial because something distracted me at the time, but I have now.

For those who want an MS-Word downloadable version of this tutorial so that they can "have it open and follow along" with somewhat greater ease, here it is:

Using Object Navigation in NVDA - G. Asner

--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Constantly insisting on “my rights” with no consideration of “my responsibilities” isn’t “freedom” — it’s adolescence.
     ~ Commenter, Evangelos, in comments for
         America 2022: Where Everyone Has Rights and No One Has Responsibilities,
        New York Times, February 8, 2022

 


Re: Using NVDA with Microsoft project 2016

Kenny Cheung
 

Here are the steps I did to try and finish my assignment.
To set the start date for a project you have to go to:
1. Project
I open project
2. Project Information (this will open a dialog box with a bunch of fields)
I press ault and right arrow to the project tab and down arrow to go in to the ribbon. Then I right arrow to where it says project information
3. Change the date is the Start Date filed
I see a data grid that says custom fields, and when I try to arrow through it I can’t move at all. If I ault tab out of that window to outlook or some other program and ault tab back it becomes a editable combo box, or tab to where it says schedule from which is a combo box and shift tab back to start date, it becomes a combo box where I can type. I type in 2/16/18.
4. Select OK to complete
I press enter and end up back in the project document, I right arrow to where it says start and its blank.
 
To add a non-working day on a project calendar go to:
1. Project
I go to the project tab and down arrow to go in to the ribbon. I see Subproject  button, Get Addins  button, Project Information...  button, Custom Fields  button, WBS  collapsed, Set Baseline  collapsed, Update Project...  button, and Spelling...  button. Some of the buttons like change working time and links between projects, and schedule didn’t show up until I tabbed through the ribbon.
2. Change Working Time (this will open a dialog box with a bunch of fields)
I go to the project tab and down arrow. Then I press tab to working time, and after I press enter I’m in the exceptions control tab. It brings me to a data grid, and I try pressing the arrow keys and it says data item  selected  Name, and when I press right arrow it says data item  selected  Start
I press f2 on where it says named. I tried enter and it brought me back to the main document.
3. Select the date from the calendar that is in the dialogue box
I press right arrow to start and press enter, it brings me back to the document. I go back to the project tab and back to change working time. I press f2 to edit and put in 2/25/18.
4. In the Name field, type Nonworking Time
I put in Non-working time after I pressed f2 in the name field
5. Select OK to complete
I pressed enter and the name and start date columns are blank
To update file properties:
1. File
I press ault and left arrow to file.
2. Info
I down arrow to info
3. Project Information
I press tab to project information
4. Advanced Properties (this will open a dialog box with a bunch of fields)
Then I press enter on advanced properties
5. Complete the needed fields
I tried object nav with object review, and no luck, so I switch to screen review. I’m able to interact with the different fields I go to the subject field and do ault s, and put in to the subject field New book launch schedule. I do NVDA shift right arrow to get to manager and NVDA shift down arrow to interact with the field and do ault+M since I couldn’t press enter on it or NVDA enter to activate it. I go to where it says Company:  and put in Lucerne Publishing
 
6. Select OK to complete
I press enter and nothings in the main document. All the changes that I made from setting the start date to here are only in the boxes, and not in the actual project document.


Sent from Kenny’s MacBook Pro

On Feb 15, 2022, at 19:14, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

Oh okay. I hope Jaws works.
 
Sent from Mail for Windows
 
From: Kenny Cheung
Sent: February 15, 2022 3:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using NVDA with Microsoft project 2016
 

I haven't tried project on the mac, but I don't really want to pay for a subscription. all the Microsoft stuff is through my state agency.

On 2/15/2022 18:55, Arlene wrote:
I don’t blame you. It just may go that way. You may end up using jaws.  Have you tried using Microsoft Project with your Mac Pro yet? I see your sitnature saying sent from my mac pro. Smiles.  
 
Sent from Mail for Windows
 
From: Kenny Cheung
Sent: February 15, 2022 3:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using NVDA with Microsoft project 2016
 
Thanks. I’m starting not to like Microsoft Project.
Sent from Kenny’s MacBook Pro

 

On Feb 15, 2022, at 18:31, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
 
Oh no, try jaws tomorrow and see what happens. I had a situation where Jaws would not work for a course I took in 2019. But NVDA worked even before I switched to win ten while doing this course.  I thought it was because Jaws was too old and I had an updated version of NVDA. I had windows 7, jaws 14 and NVDA 19 or whatever it was back then.  Then that system bit the dust. I got windows ten witch I have now. I did update to Jaws 19 along with NVDA 19 as well. Still Jaws didn’t work for it. NVDA worked. I did complete the course using NVDA. You may end up using Jaws. Who knows so it goes. Good luck with Microsoft project 16. 
 
Sent from Mail for Windows
 
From: Kenny Cheung
Sent: February 15, 2022 3:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using NVDA with Microsoft project 2016
 
I'm going to try Jaws tomorrow and see how it goes. I'm looking for an add-on that will make using project 2016 easier because when I opened a knew project and tried putting in a start date I went to the projects ribbon and I went to the calendar section. their was a drop down box, and when I put in 2 /18/16 and shift tab to okay the date I put in didn't show up in the start date.
On 2/15/2022 17:59, Arlene wrote:
Hi, what type of addon are you looking for? You might want to look on the addons site in the meantime until someone answers your question.  Have you tried your project 16 using Nairator? Do you have Jaws for a back up screen reader if there is no addon when using project 16. 
 
Sent from Mail for Windows
 
From: Kenny Cheung
Sent: February 15, 2022 10:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Using NVDA with Microsoft project 2016
 
Hi,
I’m taking a project management class and we’re using project 2016, and I was wondering if their are add-ons or some commands guide I could look at. I was doing a practice project and it wanted me to add an event as a exception for a no work day, and I had trouble doing that and trying to navigate the calendar to add a start date.
 
Sent from Kenny’s iPhone
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 


Re: Using AnyDesk with NVDA

Gene
 

I'm glad some of my tutorials have been gathered and are available in one place.  For those who haven't seen the previous discussion today, I'll be adding information to the object navigation tutorial.  I had intended to do so but I hadn't, in part because I was waiting to get my Windows 10 machine.  I wanted to see if certain things regarding organization were the same or similar before I discussed them. 


Gene

On 2/16/2022 11:24 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Mani,

Thanks for that reminder about Gene's tutorial and a big thanks to Gene for writing it.  Since he has said, on many occasions, that anything he posts can be shared, I have collected some of his tutorials over time and created MS-Word documents containing same.  All have full attribution to Gene.  I had not done this for the Object Navigation tutorial because something distracted me at the time, but I have now.

For those who want an MS-Word downloadable version of this tutorial so that they can "have it open and follow along" with somewhat greater ease, here it is:

Using Object Navigation in NVDA - G. Asner

--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Constantly insisting on “my rights” with no consideration of “my responsibilities” isn’t “freedom” — it’s adolescence.
     ~ Commenter, Evangelos, in comments for
         America 2022: Where Everyone Has Rights and No One Has Responsibilities,
        New York Times, February 8, 2022

 


Re: NVDA keyboard problem.

Gene
 

I'm not sure.  That's one thing you can do.


Gene

On 2/16/2022 11:11 AM, Chantelle Buys wrote:
So, maybe connecting to her laptop and installing NVDA myself to see
what exactly her laptop does with it may be the only way to go?

I do know that the laptop's new, a few months old. She's also running win10.

On 2/16/22, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I don't know what the problem is.  But, while I can't say security isn't
involved, it doesn't sound likely.  Nor has anyone said there is a
message that malware is detected when NVDA is being installed or run.


Gene

On 2/16/2022 11:01 AM, Chantelle Buys wrote:
Well, she told me that it works with jaws and Narrator and she's using
the laptop keyboard.

I offered to connect via teamviewer to see for myself what if I could
fix the problem. Not sure if I'll be able to see what NVDA does but,
I'm willing to try anything.

On 2/16/22, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Does the keyboard work when no screen-reader is present and does
Narrator work?  You don't say whether an internal or external keyboard
is used but I think it is very unlikely security is causing the problem.


Gene
On 2/16/2022 10:49 AM, Chantelle Buys wrote:
Afternoon everyone.

Question.

I have a friend who's NVDA doesn't want to work the way it should on
her
laptop.

It has been uninstalled and reinstalled but, the same problem shows up.

For some reason it won't work when she tries to use her keyboard but,
when her sister uses the mouce it reads.

They think that something's blocking NVDA but, she's only got windows
defender on her laptop.

I myself had this problem a long time ago but, it was KasperSky that
caused NVDA to not work at all.

So, does anyone know what the problem could be?







Re: Setting Up a Gmail Filter to Ensure Groups.io Messages are Never Marked as Spam

 

On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 12:09 PM, Gene wrote:
having the groups.io  address appear in the from line would be a rare practice among groups.
-
Gene, you're right, at least for a lot of Groups.io messages, but not all of them.  I am going to amend that tutorial to use both the To field instead, as that's almost always the posting address for the Groups.io group the message originates from.

My head is swimming from all of the raw email header analysis I've been doing to try to get around this issue for someone who uses Comcast, and I transposed my to and from field content in my head.

Thanks for the pointer.  I'll just tweak the tutorial now and upload the revised version.
--

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Constantly insisting on “my rights” with no consideration of “my responsibilities” isn’t “freedom” — it’s adolescence.
     ~ Commenter, Evangelos, in comments for
         America 2022: Where Everyone Has Rights and No One Has Responsibilities,
        New York Times, February 8, 2022

 


Re: Using AnyDesk with NVDA

Gene
 

A correction to the correction:

I had thought there was the error I discussed.  On looking at the tutorial sent to the list at this time, the tutorial you received today is correct.  The commands I gave for moving in an object and for moving from object to object are correct so no corrected version will be released. 


I must have corrected the error after initial release and sent a corrected version to the list at that time.;  As I said, the commands are correct.  Numpad 7 and numpad 9 are correctly described.  Numpad 4 and numpad 6 are also correctly  described.  I want to emphasize that to avoid possible confusion.  The errors I though were there are not and commands are ccorrect and correctly described.


Also, I intended to produce more to the tutorial explaining how to move to higher objects and lower objects but I hadn't done so.  I'll work on that and add it to the tutorial. 


I'm sorry for the confusion.

Gene

On 2/16/2022 11:04 AM, Mani Iyer via groups.io wrote:
Hello Janet,
Below I am pasting Gene’s tutorial on object browsing. It has helped me and I hope it helps you too.

Warmly,
Mani

the tutorial begins immediately below.
 
Given all the discussion of object review, I’ve prepared a short, or rather short, tutorial teaching something about object navigation and showing the difference between it and screen review.  Listening at a moderate speed, my guess is that it will take somewhere between about seven and ten minutes to listen to.  Of course, doing what I describe will take a little longer or perhaps more, depending on how much you want to play and repeat things to aid memory and perhaps understanding.
 
I hope some people find it useful.  
 
Many people may be wondering what is being talked about and this will give those who are curious some idea.  
I hope it also encourages those who would benefit from learning object navigation to do so.  It may also demystify the subject to an extent and give people more confidence that they can learn and understand object navigation.
 
I think most, perhaps almost all, of object navigation is better taught by having people do things rather than by mainly explaining them.  
 
This tutorial will teach something about moving in an object and from one object to another object.  It will also show how objects can vary radically in size and it may clear up confusion some people may have about when they are moving through an object or reviewing the screen.  I suspect a fair number of people may have this confusion.
 
I shall use desktop layout commands.  I don’t use nor know the laptop layout commands.  Someone may want to provide them.
 
We will use WordPad for our examples.
First, issue the command numpad insert plus numpad 1 until you hear no previous review mode.  That is to make sure you didn’t use screen review and forget to go back.  Object navigation is the default but I want to make sure everyone is using it.
 
Now, do the following:
Open WordPad.  Type a bit of text.  Now issue the close command.  You are in the are you sure dialog.
Press the following keys and listen to all speech.
Numpad 8.
Numpad 7.
Numpad 9.
Numpad 8 reads the current line in the object you are in.  You hear save.
Numpad 7 moves back one line in the object.
You hear top, save.
That’s because there is no previous line.
Numpad 9 moves you to the next line in the object.  You hear bottom, save because there is no next line.
This is a small object.  It is only one button.  Button isn’t announced for some reason but it is a save button.
Now, let’s move to the next object to the right.  Issue the command numpad insert plus numpad 6.  
You have now moved to the next object.  It is a bit of text, the do you want to save question.  For some reason, this dialog doesn’t work as expected when moving to next and previous objects.  Usually, if you move to the next and previous objects, you will get to the last one in the direction you are moving.  At that point, you will hear either no previous or no next.
To move to the right by object the command is numpad insert plus numpad 6.  To move to the left, the command is numpad insert numpad 4.  
Each time you move to another object, you can use the review keys I showed you earlier to see if you can move around the object and read the current line.  That is, numpad 7, back line, numpad 8, say current line, numpad 9, forward one line.
 
If you were using screen review, you would use the same commands to review the screen, numpad 8, 7, and 9.  You would be moving in the screen, not specifically in an object.  
 
At times objects are small as these are, at times they are very large.  
 
To see a very large or a larger object, finish closing WordPad, then open a large document in WordPad.  Either that or open WordPad and type a number of lines of text.  
If you use numpad 9 to move through the document, you will find that you can move through the entire document.  The entire document is one object.  
If you were using screen review, you would only be able to move as far up or down as the screen that is now visible.  
 
The command to go into screen review, if you want to experiment, is numpad insert plus numpad 7.  There may be another mode, document review, but keep moving until you get to screen review.  Don’t forget to go back to object review when you are finished in screen review.  If you don’t, some things you do may not work as expected.
 
There are times when you can see things using screen review that you can’t using object review.  There are times when the opposite is true.  One isn’t better or more useful than the other, though one may be of more use to a person, depending on how they use a computer, in other words, what programs they run and perhaps, how they work with certain programs.  
 
I hope this short tutorial is useful.
 
Gene


Re: Using AnyDesk with NVDA

 

Mani,

Thanks for that reminder about Gene's tutorial and a big thanks to Gene for writing it.  Since he has said, on many occasions, that anything he posts can be shared, I have collected some of his tutorials over time and created MS-Word documents containing same.  All have full attribution to Gene.  I had not done this for the Object Navigation tutorial because something distracted me at the time, but I have now.

For those who want an MS-Word downloadable version of this tutorial so that they can "have it open and follow along" with somewhat greater ease, here it is:

Using Object Navigation in NVDA - G. Asner

--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Constantly insisting on “my rights” with no consideration of “my responsibilities” isn’t “freedom” — it’s adolescence.
     ~ Commenter, Evangelos, in comments for
         America 2022: Where Everyone Has Rights and No One Has Responsibilities,
        New York Times, February 8, 2022

 


Re: Using AnyDesk with NVDA

Gene
 

There is an important error in the tutorial that I didn't catch when I released it.  The correct commands to move to the previous and next objectt are numpad insert numpad 4, move to and read the previous object, numpad insert numpad 6, move to and read the next object, and numpad 8, read the current line of the current navigator object. 


I'm sorry for the confusion.  I'll send a revised copy of the tutorial with the correction to the list.


Gene

On 2/16/2022 11:04 AM, Mani Iyer via groups.io wrote:
Hello Janet,
Below I am pasting Gene’s tutorial on object browsing. It has helped me and I hope it helps you too.

Warmly,
Mani

the tutorial begins immediately below.
 
Given all the discussion of object review, I’ve prepared a short, or rather short, tutorial teaching something about object navigation and showing the difference between it and screen review.  Listening at a moderate speed, my guess is that it will take somewhere between about seven and ten minutes to listen to.  Of course, doing what I describe will take a little longer or perhaps more, depending on how much you want to play and repeat things to aid memory and perhaps understanding.
 
I hope some people find it useful.  
 
Many people may be wondering what is being talked about and this will give those who are curious some idea.  
I hope it also encourages those who would benefit from learning object navigation to do so.  It may also demystify the subject to an extent and give people more confidence that they can learn and understand object navigation.
 
I think most, perhaps almost all, of object navigation is better taught by having people do things rather than by mainly explaining them.  
 
This tutorial will teach something about moving in an object and from one object to another object.  It will also show how objects can vary radically in size and it may clear up confusion some people may have about when they are moving through an object or reviewing the screen.  I suspect a fair number of people may have this confusion.
 
I shall use desktop layout commands.  I don’t use nor know the laptop layout commands.  Someone may want to provide them.
 
We will use WordPad for our examples.
First, issue the command numpad insert plus numpad 1 until you hear no previous review mode.  That is to make sure you didn’t use screen review and forget to go back.  Object navigation is the default but I want to make sure everyone is using it.
 
Now, do the following:
Open WordPad.  Type a bit of text.  Now issue the close command.  You are in the are you sure dialog.
Press the following keys and listen to all speech.
Numpad 8.
Numpad 7.
Numpad 9.
Numpad 8 reads the current line in the object you are in.  You hear save.
Numpad 7 moves back one line in the object.
You hear top, save.
That’s because there is no previous line.
Numpad 9 moves you to the next line in the object.  You hear bottom, save because there is no next line.
This is a small object.  It is only one button.  Button isn’t announced for some reason but it is a save button.
Now, let’s move to the next object to the right.  Issue the command numpad insert plus numpad 6.  
You have now moved to the next object.  It is a bit of text, the do you want to save question.  For some reason, this dialog doesn’t work as expected when moving to next and previous objects.  Usually, if you move to the next and previous objects, you will get to the last one in the direction you are moving.  At that point, you will hear either no previous or no next.
To move to the right by object the command is numpad insert plus numpad 6.  To move to the left, the command is numpad insert numpad 4.  
Each time you move to another object, you can use the review keys I showed you earlier to see if you can move around the object and read the current line.  That is, numpad 7, back line, numpad 8, say current line, numpad 9, forward one line.
 
If you were using screen review, you would use the same commands to review the screen, numpad 8, 7, and 9.  You would be moving in the screen, not specifically in an object.  
 
At times objects are small as these are, at times they are very large.  
 
To see a very large or a larger object, finish closing WordPad, then open a large document in WordPad.  Either that or open WordPad and type a number of lines of text.  
If you use numpad 9 to move through the document, you will find that you can move through the entire document.  The entire document is one object.  
If you were using screen review, you would only be able to move as far up or down as the screen that is now visible.  
 
The command to go into screen review, if you want to experiment, is numpad insert plus numpad 7.  There may be another mode, document review, but keep moving until you get to screen review.  Don’t forget to go back to object review when you are finished in screen review.  If you don’t, some things you do may not work as expected.
 
There are times when you can see things using screen review that you can’t using object review.  There are times when the opposite is true.  One isn’t better or more useful than the other, though one may be of more use to a person, depending on how they use a computer, in other words, what programs they run and perhaps, how they work with certain programs.  
 
I hope this short tutorial is useful.
 
Gene


Re: NVDA keyboard problem.

Chantelle Buys
 

So, maybe connecting to her laptop and installing NVDA myself to see
what exactly her laptop does with it may be the only way to go?

I do know that the laptop's new, a few months old. She's also running win10.

On 2/16/22, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I don't know what the problem is.  But, while I can't say security isn't
involved, it doesn't sound likely.  Nor has anyone said there is a
message that malware is detected when NVDA is being installed or run.


Gene

On 2/16/2022 11:01 AM, Chantelle Buys wrote:
Well, she told me that it works with jaws and Narrator and she's using
the laptop keyboard.

I offered to connect via teamviewer to see for myself what if I could
fix the problem. Not sure if I'll be able to see what NVDA does but,
I'm willing to try anything.

On 2/16/22, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Does the keyboard work when no screen-reader is present and does
Narrator work?  You don't say whether an internal or external keyboard
is used but I think it is very unlikely security is causing the problem.


Gene
On 2/16/2022 10:49 AM, Chantelle Buys wrote:
Afternoon everyone.

Question.

I have a friend who's NVDA doesn't want to work the way it should on
her
laptop.

It has been uninstalled and reinstalled but, the same problem shows up.

For some reason it won't work when she tries to use her keyboard but,
when her sister uses the mouce it reads.

They think that something's blocking NVDA but, she's only got windows
defender on her laptop.

I myself had this problem a long time ago but, it was KasperSky that
caused NVDA to not work at all.

So, does anyone know what the problem could be?








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Re: Using AnyDesk with NVDA

Janet Brandly
 

Hello,

 

Thank you for sending this.  I just had a quick look at it and I’m sure it will help me out a lot.

 

Sincerely,

 

Janet

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mani Iyer via groups.io
Sent: February 16, 2022 10:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using AnyDesk with NVDA

 

Hello Janet,

Below I am pasting Gene’s tutorial on object browsing. It has helped me and I hope it helps you too.

 

Warmly,

Mani

 

the tutorial begins immediately below.

 

Given all the discussion of object review, I’ve prepared a short, or rather short, tutorial teaching something about object navigation and showing the difference between it and screen review.  Listening at a moderate speed, my guess is that it will take somewhere between about seven and ten minutes to listen to.  Of course, doing what I describe will take a little longer or perhaps more, depending on how much you want to play and repeat things to aid memory and perhaps understanding.

 

I hope some people find it useful.  

 

Many people may be wondering what is being talked about and this will give those who are curious some idea.  

I hope it also encourages those who would benefit from learning object navigation to do so.  It may also demystify the subject to an extent and give people more confidence that they can learn and understand object navigation.

 

I think most, perhaps almost all, of object navigation is better taught by having people do things rather than by mainly explaining them.  

 

This tutorial will teach something about moving in an object and from one object to another object.  It will also show how objects can vary radically in size and it may clear up confusion some people may have about when they are moving through an object or reviewing the screen.  I suspect a fair number of people may have this confusion.

 

I shall use desktop layout commands.  I don’t use nor know the laptop layout commands.  Someone may want to provide them.

 

We will use WordPad for our examples.

First, issue the command numpad insert plus numpad 1 until you hear no previous review mode.  That is to make sure you didn’t use screen review and forget to go back.  Object navigation is the default but I want to make sure everyone is using it.

 

Now, do the following:

Open WordPad.  Type a bit of text.  Now issue the close command.  You are in the are you sure dialog.

Press the following keys and listen to all speech.

Numpad 8.

Numpad 7.

Numpad 9.

Numpad 8 reads the current line in the object you are in.  You hear save.

Numpad 7 moves back one line in the object.

You hear top, save.

That’s because there is no previous line.

Numpad 9 moves you to the next line in the object.  You hear bottom, save because there is no next line.

This is a small object.  It is only one button.  Button isn’t announced for some reason but it is a save button.

Now, let’s move to the next object to the right.  Issue the command numpad insert plus numpad 6.  

You have now moved to the next object.  It is a bit of text, the do you want to save question.  For some reason, this dialog doesn’t work as expected when moving to next and previous objects.  Usually, if you move to the next and previous objects, you will get to the last one in the direction you are moving.  At that point, you will hear either no previous or no next.

To move to the right by object the command is numpad insert plus numpad 6.  To move to the left, the command is numpad insert numpad 4.  

Each time you move to another object, you can use the review keys I showed you earlier to see if you can move around the object and read the current line.  That is, numpad 7, back line, numpad 8, say current line, numpad 9, forward one line.

 

If you were using screen review, you would use the same commands to review the screen, numpad 8, 7, and 9.  You would be moving in the screen, not specifically in an object.  

 

At times objects are small as these are, at times they are very large.  

 

To see a very large or a larger object, finish closing WordPad, then open a large document in WordPad.  Either that or open WordPad and type a number of lines of text.  

If you use numpad 9 to move through the document, you will find that you can move through the entire document.  The entire document is one object.  

If you were using screen review, you would only be able to move as far up or down as the screen that is now visible.  

 

The command to go into screen review, if you want to experiment, is numpad insert plus numpad 7.  There may be another mode, document review, but keep moving until you get to screen review.  Don’t forget to go back to object review when you are finished in screen review.  If you don’t, some things you do may not work as expected.

 

There are times when you can see things using screen review that you can’t using object review.  There are times when the opposite is true.  One isn’t better or more useful than the other, though one may be of more use to a person, depending on how they use a computer, in other words, what programs they run and perhaps, how they work with certain programs.  

 

I hope this short tutorial is useful.

 

Gene

 


Re: Setting Up a Gmail Filter to Ensure Groups.io Messages are Never Marked as Spam

Gene
 

Having said that, I would think that having the groups.io  address appear in the from line would be a rare practice among groups.  Regardless of the provider being used, I believe all the groups I have been a member of have had the sender's name and address in the from line or, in one group, just the sender's name. 


Gene

On 2/16/2022 11:03 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Across several of the blind and low-vision technology groups on which I participate, there has been a recent and clear uptick in reports of various email providers incorrectly spam-trapping messages from groups.io.

I can't help out folks who aren't using Gmail, but I do have a solution you can employ that tells Gmail to never mark as spam any messages originating from Groups.io (and that means that a groups.io group address is being used in the From: field for that message).  It also has the added advantage of constantly feeding Gmail's spam filtering algorithm additional data points from groups.io messages that your filter catches so that it's less likely that these will ever be marked as spam by Gmail.

Please read through the tutorial in its entirety before starting.  It's only two pages long, and the sections where I list all the filtering options can be skipped over for the next numbered step.  I included those only so those who prefer to tab their way through the page and listen would be oriented as far as what they can expect to hear.  You'll only be using the From criteria for the matching part of the filter and the Never mark as spam option for the action to be taken.

Setting Up a Gmail Filter to Ensure Groups.io Messages are Never Marked as Spam
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Constantly insisting on “my rights” with no consideration of “my responsibilities” isn’t “freedom” — it’s adolescence.
     ~ Commenter, Evangelos, in comments for
         America 2022: Where Everyone Has Rights and No One Has Responsibilities,
        New York Times, February 8, 2022

 


Re: NVDA keyboard problem.

Gene
 

I don't know what the problem is.  But, while I can't say security isn't involved, it doesn't sound likely.  Nor has anyone said there is a message that malware is detected when NVDA is being installed or run.


Gene

On 2/16/2022 11:01 AM, Chantelle Buys wrote:
Well, she told me that it works with jaws and Narrator and she's using
the laptop keyboard.

I offered to connect via teamviewer to see for myself what if I could
fix the problem. Not sure if I'll be able to see what NVDA does but,
I'm willing to try anything.

On 2/16/22, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Does the keyboard work when no screen-reader is present and does
Narrator work?  You don't say whether an internal or external keyboard
is used but I think it is very unlikely security is causing the problem.


Gene
On 2/16/2022 10:49 AM, Chantelle Buys wrote:
Afternoon everyone.

Question.

I have a friend who's NVDA doesn't want to work the way it should on her
laptop.

It has been uninstalled and reinstalled but, the same problem shows up.

For some reason it won't work when she tries to use her keyboard but,
when her sister uses the mouce it reads.

They think that something's blocking NVDA but, she's only got windows
defender on her laptop.

I myself had this problem a long time ago but, it was KasperSky that
caused NVDA to not work at all.

So, does anyone know what the problem could be?





Re: Using AnyDesk with NVDA

Mani Iyer
 

Hello Janet,
Below I am pasting Gene’s tutorial on object browsing. It has helped me and I hope it helps you too.

Warmly,
Mani

the tutorial begins immediately below.
 
Given all the discussion of object review, I’ve prepared a short, or rather short, tutorial teaching something about object navigation and showing the difference between it and screen review.  Listening at a moderate speed, my guess is that it will take somewhere between about seven and ten minutes to listen to.  Of course, doing what I describe will take a little longer or perhaps more, depending on how much you want to play and repeat things to aid memory and perhaps understanding.
 
I hope some people find it useful.  
 
Many people may be wondering what is being talked about and this will give those who are curious some idea.  
I hope it also encourages those who would benefit from learning object navigation to do so.  It may also demystify the subject to an extent and give people more confidence that they can learn and understand object navigation.
 
I think most, perhaps almost all, of object navigation is better taught by having people do things rather than by mainly explaining them.  
 
This tutorial will teach something about moving in an object and from one object to another object.  It will also show how objects can vary radically in size and it may clear up confusion some people may have about when they are moving through an object or reviewing the screen.  I suspect a fair number of people may have this confusion.
 
I shall use desktop layout commands.  I don’t use nor know the laptop layout commands.  Someone may want to provide them.
 
We will use WordPad for our examples.
First, issue the command numpad insert plus numpad 1 until you hear no previous review mode.  That is to make sure you didn’t use screen review and forget to go back.  Object navigation is the default but I want to make sure everyone is using it.
 
Now, do the following:
Open WordPad.  Type a bit of text.  Now issue the close command.  You are in the are you sure dialog.
Press the following keys and listen to all speech.
Numpad 8.
Numpad 7.
Numpad 9.
Numpad 8 reads the current line in the object you are in.  You hear save.
Numpad 7 moves back one line in the object.
You hear top, save.
That’s because there is no previous line.
Numpad 9 moves you to the next line in the object.  You hear bottom, save because there is no next line.
This is a small object.  It is only one button.  Button isn’t announced for some reason but it is a save button.
Now, let’s move to the next object to the right.  Issue the command numpad insert plus numpad 6.  
You have now moved to the next object.  It is a bit of text, the do you want to save question.  For some reason, this dialog doesn’t work as expected when moving to next and previous objects.  Usually, if you move to the next and previous objects, you will get to the last one in the direction you are moving.  At that point, you will hear either no previous or no next.
To move to the right by object the command is numpad insert plus numpad 6.  To move to the left, the command is numpad insert numpad 4.  
Each time you move to another object, you can use the review keys I showed you earlier to see if you can move around the object and read the current line.  That is, numpad 7, back line, numpad 8, say current line, numpad 9, forward one line.
 
If you were using screen review, you would use the same commands to review the screen, numpad 8, 7, and 9.  You would be moving in the screen, not specifically in an object.  
 
At times objects are small as these are, at times they are very large.  
 
To see a very large or a larger object, finish closing WordPad, then open a large document in WordPad.  Either that or open WordPad and type a number of lines of text.  
If you use numpad 9 to move through the document, you will find that you can move through the entire document.  The entire document is one object.  
If you were using screen review, you would only be able to move as far up or down as the screen that is now visible.  
 
The command to go into screen review, if you want to experiment, is numpad insert plus numpad 7.  There may be another mode, document review, but keep moving until you get to screen review.  Don’t forget to go back to object review when you are finished in screen review.  If you don’t, some things you do may not work as expected.
 
There are times when you can see things using screen review that you can’t using object review.  There are times when the opposite is true.  One isn’t better or more useful than the other, though one may be of more use to a person, depending on how they use a computer, in other words, what programs they run and perhaps, how they work with certain programs.  
 
I hope this short tutorial is useful.
 
Gene


Setting Up a Gmail Filter to Ensure Groups.io Messages are Never Marked as Spam

 
Edited

Across several of the blind and low-vision technology groups on which I participate, there has been a recent and clear uptick in reports of various email providers incorrectly spam-trapping messages from groups.io.

I can't help out folks who aren't using Gmail, but I do have a solution you can employ that tells Gmail to never mark as spam any messages originating from Groups.io (and that means that a groups.io group address is being used in the To: field for that message).  It also has the added advantage of constantly feeding Gmail's spam filtering algorithm additional data points from groups.io messages that your filter catches so that it's less likely that these will ever be marked as spam by Gmail.

Please read through the tutorial in its entirety before starting.  It's only two pages long, and the sections where I list all the filtering options can be skipped over for the next numbered step.  I included those only so those who prefer to tab their way through the page and listen would be oriented as far as what they can expect to hear.  You'll only be using the From criteria for the matching part of the filter and the Never mark as spam option for the action to be taken.

Setting Up a Gmail Filter to Ensure Groups.io Messages are Never Marked as Spam
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Constantly insisting on “my rights” with no consideration of “my responsibilities” isn’t “freedom” — it’s adolescence.
     ~ Commenter, Evangelos, in comments for
         America 2022: Where Everyone Has Rights and No One Has Responsibilities,
        New York Times, February 8, 2022

 


Re: NVDA keyboard problem.

Chantelle Buys
 

Well, she told me that it works with jaws and Narrator and she's using
the laptop keyboard.

I offered to connect via teamviewer to see for myself what if I could
fix the problem. Not sure if I'll be able to see what NVDA does but,
I'm willing to try anything.

On 2/16/22, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Does the keyboard work when no screen-reader is present and does
Narrator work?  You don't say whether an internal or external keyboard
is used but I think it is very unlikely security is causing the problem.


Gene
On 2/16/2022 10:49 AM, Chantelle Buys wrote:
Afternoon everyone.

Question.

I have a friend who's NVDA doesn't want to work the way it should on her
laptop.

It has been uninstalled and reinstalled but, the same problem shows up.

For some reason it won't work when she tries to use her keyboard but,
when her sister uses the mouce it reads.

They think that something's blocking NVDA but, she's only got windows
defender on her laptop.

I myself had this problem a long time ago but, it was KasperSky that
caused NVDA to not work at all.

So, does anyone know what the problem could be?





--
Never give up, at any cost.

https://youtu.be/XXe1v5VVV7s


Re: NVDA keyboard problem.

Gene
 

Does the keyboard work when no screen-reader is present and does Narrator work?  You don't say whether an internal or external keyboard is used but I think it is very unlikely security is causing the problem.


Gene

On 2/16/2022 10:49 AM, Chantelle Buys wrote:
Afternoon everyone.

Question.

I have a friend who's NVDA doesn't want to work the way it should on her laptop.

It has been uninstalled and reinstalled but, the same problem shows up.

For some reason it won't work when she tries to use her keyboard but,
when her sister uses the mouce it reads.

They think that something's blocking NVDA but, she's only got windows
defender on her laptop.

I myself had this problem a long time ago but, it was KasperSky that
caused NVDA to not work at all.

So, does anyone know what the problem could be?


Re: Using AnyDesk with NVDA

Janet Brandly
 

Thanks Brian, I will reach out to him.

 

I’m not getting any speech with either NVDA or JAWS.

 

Someone suggested using Object Navigation.  I haven’t had much experience with that.  Are there settings I need to verify or change in the NVDA menus?  Also, any tips or resources about using Object Navigation are much appreciated

 

Thanks,

 

Janet

 

PS: I don’t only need to connect/accept but I also need to download and upload files.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: February 15, 2022 5:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using AnyDesk with NVDA

 

Janet,

Message   on the archive is from 

Thomas E Williamson, Senior

, who says he uses AnyDesk.  You may want to reach out to him privately.  If he and you are willing to have a "How to use AnyDesk with NVDA," discussion on the Chat Subgroup, that would be great, as the discussion is almost certainly going to skew very heavily toward the commands of AnyDesk itself rather than NVDA proper.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Constantly insisting on “my rights” with no consideration of “my responsibilities” isn’t “freedom” — it’s adolescence.
     ~ Commenter, Evangelos, in comments for
         America 2022: Where Everyone Has Rights and No One Has Responsibilities,
        New York Times, February 8, 2022

 


NVDA keyboard problem.

Chantelle Buys
 

Afternoon everyone.

Question.

I have a friend who's NVDA doesn't want to work the way it should on her laptop.

It has been uninstalled and reinstalled but, the same problem shows up.

For some reason it won't work when she tries to use her keyboard but,
when her sister uses the mouce it reads.

They think that something's blocking NVDA but, she's only got windows
defender on her laptop.

I myself had this problem a long time ago but, it was KasperSky that
caused NVDA to not work at all.

So, does anyone know what the problem could be?


--
Never give up, at any cost.

https://youtu.be/XXe1v5VVV7s


Re: NVDA error when selecting word document in Windows explorer and preview pane activated

Gene
 

I don't know what the case is now, I haven't seen this discussed for years, but in Windows 7, you were supposed to have the preview pane off when using NVDA.  If you didn't, you were likely to have crashes.  You aren't benefited in any way that matters buy having it on.  If you turn it off, the problem will probably disappear.


As far as how to turn it off,  open a folder or drive using file explorer.

move to the ribbons with alt.  Type v to move to the view ribbon, then start tabbing.  You will get to a button for show preview pane.  If it is pressed, press the space bar to turn it off.

The ribbons will close and you will be back in file explorer.


That should solve the problem.


You may report it, I don't know if NVDA is supposed to work when the preview pane is enabled, it wasn't expected to a number of years ago.


Gene

On 2/16/2022 8:56 AM, bering.p wrote:
Hi.
I don't know if this has been reported to NVAccess yet, but here's what I found.
In windows explorer with a Word document (.docx) selected and the preview pane activated, if you type "tab" several times, an error is reported in the NVDA log and it is no longer possible to continue or go back with "tab".

Here is the error:
Starting NVDA version alpha-24688,af3b8440
Windows version: Windows 10 21H1 (10.0.19043) workstation (french language)
no add-on loaded
ERROR - eventHandler.executeEvent (15:19:24.579) - MainThread (3392):
error executing event: gainFocus on <NVDAObjects.IAccessible.winword.ProtectedDocumentPane object at 0x07F3A490> with extra args of {}
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 284, in executeEvent
  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in __init__
  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 107, in next
  File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\winword.pyc", line 466, in event_gainFocus
AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'active'
ERROR - eventHandler.executeEvent (15:19:24.709) - MainThread (3392):
error executing event: gainFocus on <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_WinwordWordDocumentWordDocumentIAccessibleWindowNVDAObject object at 0x07FB62D0> with extra args of {}
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 284, in executeEvent
  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in __init__
  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 107, in next
  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 1195, in event_gainFocus
  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 1050, in reportFocus
  File "speech\speech.pyc", line 558, in speakObject
  File "speech\speech.pyc", line 607, in getObjectSpeech
  File "documentBase.pyc", line 22, in makeTextInfo
  File "NVDAObjects\window\winword.pyc", line 707, in __init__
AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'range'

Are you seeing the same problem?
Thanks.
Best regards.

Paul.





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