But NVDA didn't ask me where to put it.  It just downloaded it and asked me if I wanted to install or later.  I was afraid about my add-ons so I put it off.  Now I cant find it.  It isn't in my normal downloads folder.

On 2/25/2022 10:46 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

If it's not in your Downloads folder then it's where you instructed (whether you realized it or not) the browser to put it.

The downloads manager in every major web browser can be accessed via CTRL + J, and it will be listed at the very top of the list of downloaded items if you've not downloaded anything else (or very near the top if you have).  If you activate the "Open Containing folder" button for that download File Explorer will open, to the correct directory/folder, and focus will be on the file.
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Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

/Constantly insisting on “my rights” with no consideration of “my responsibilities” isn’t “freedom” — it’s adolescence.
/     ~ Commenter, *Evangelos*, in comments for
/America 2022: Where Everyone Has Rights and No One Has Responsibilities <https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/08/opinion/spotify-joe-rogan-covid-free-speech.html>/,
/        New York Times/, February 8, 2022

.

If it's not in your Downloads folder then it's where you instructed
(whether you realized it or not) the browser to put it.

The downloads manager in every major web browser can be accessed via
CTRL + J, and it will be listed at the very top of the list of
downloaded items if you've not downloaded anything else (or very near
the top if you have). If you activate the "Open Containing folder"
button for that download File Explorer will open, to the correct
directory/folder, and focus will be on the file.
--

Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

/Constantly insisting on “my rights” with no consideration of “my
responsibilities” isn’t “freedom” — it’s adolescence.
/ ~ Commenter, *Evangelos*, in comments for /America 2022: Where
Everyone Has Rights and No One Has Responsibilities
<https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/08/opinion/spotify-joe-rogan-covid-fr
ee-speech.html>/, / New York Times/, February 8, 2022

If it's not in your Downloads folder then it's where you instructed (whether you realized it or not) the browser to put it.

The downloads manager in every major web browser can be accessed via CTRL + J, and it will be listed at the very top of the list of downloaded items if you've not downloaded anything else (or very near the top if you have).  If you activate the "Open Containing folder" button for that download File Explorer will open, to the correct directory/folder, and focus will be on the file.
--

Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

/Constantly insisting on “my rights” with no consideration of “my responsibilities” isn’t “freedom” — it’s adolescence.
/     ~ Commenter, *Evangelos*, in comments for
/America 2022: Where Everyone Has Rights and No One Has Responsibilities <https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/08/opinion/spotify-joe-rogan-covid-free-speech.html>/,
/        New York Times/, February 8, 2022

I just downloaded the newest (I think) NVDA, 21.3.3.  I don't know where it is.  It's not in my downloads folder; can't find it in my "program files\nvda" folder.

Howard

It's a desktop computer; no FN key.  At this point, pressing NVDA plus F12 says nothing.  Maybe it said the volume because I had the volume control window open.  Tried running NVDA without addons; didn't fix the problem.  Tried turning off background apps, too; but many calculator windows are still running

Perhaps this all is a windows problem; and I'm mixing up my mailing lists?  Sorry.

Howard and one more next

On 2/25/2022 9:46 AM, Robert Cole via groups.io wrote:

Hi,
Is this a laptop?
If on the desktop, will alt+F4 bring up the shut down menu?
If not, It seems that you have activated the function key mode.
Press function insert F12 to see if it tells the time.

On Feb 25, 2022, at 10:10 AM, Howard Traxler <htraxler7@...> wrote:

All of a sudden, doing NVDA plus f12 tells me the volume level; not the time and date.  I ran the NVDA repair program but that didn't fix it  Need I reinstall NVDA?


Howard

Hello Gene,

Thank you again for this tutorial. I have a question about the review modes. What is the reason for having two key combinations( NVDA + Numpad*7 and NNVDA + umpad*1) to get previous and next review modes when you can have one key combination to cycle through the available review modes?

Warmly,

Mani

On Feb 25, 2022, at 2:19 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Screen review is much more simple and easy to explain than object navigation.

You are moving around the screen, the same screen that a sighted person sees and you can move to what is on the screen. 

In object review, you can move to information not shown on screen.  to give one example, if you open a large document in a word processor, the entire document is one object.  Using object navigation, you can move through the entire document.  In screen review, you can only move through what is being displayed on the screen.

I am using desktop commands in this discussion.  I don't know the laptop commands.  Others may wish to give them.

To enter screen review, use the command numpad insert numpad 7.  You may have to use it more than once, depending on if you are someplace where document review is active.  Issue it until you hear screen review.

If you are already in screen review, you will hear no next review mode.

Once you are finished in review mode, don't forget to return to object navigation.  The command is numpad insert numpad 1.  Issue it until you hear object review.  If you try to move further you will hear, no previous review mode.

The following commands are used in review mode.  If there are any others, I am not aware of them.

those interested may want to check the user guide or quick reference guide or other sources but the following commands are either all or almost all of them.

Note the pattern in the following commands:

Numpad 7.  Move to and say the previous line.

Numpad 8, say the current line.

Numpad 9 move to and say the next line.

I've shortened the descriptions of the following commands in the list because the information I've removed is redundant and applies to all of them.

Numpad 4, previous word.  Numpad 5, current word, Numpad 6 next word.

Numpad 1 previous character.

Numpad 2 current character.

Numpad 3 next character.

Shift numpad 7 moves you to the top of the screen.  Shift numpad 9 moves you to the end.

If you press the say current keys quickly more than once, different behaviors will occur.

Pressing numpad 8 quickly twice spells the entire current line.  Pressing three times says every letter in the current line using the phonetic words for the letterss.  For example, gulf for g, kilo  for k. 

Numpad five when pressed twice spells the current word.  Three times says the phonetic word for every letter in the word.

Numpad 2 pressed twice gives the phonetic word for the current letter.  three times gives the decimal or hexidecimal values.

You can move the mouse to your current position in screen review.  To do so, use the command numpad insert numpad slash. 

Left click the mouse with just numpad slash.  Right click it with numpad star, immediately to the right of numpad slash.  This is the same as opening the context menu from the keyboard.

While screen review is still used, it is not useful in a lot of applications where it used to be.  Because of technical changes in Windows 10, also in Windows 11, it can't be used in many contexts where it could before.  You won't be able to move.

Gene

On 2/24/2022 8:16 PM, Ketan Kothari wrote:

Dear Jean,

 

In that case, Could you briefly explain the concept of screen review?  Preferably with an example?  Sorry for troubling you but that will be of immense help to me.

 

With best wishes,

 

Ketan

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2022 6:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Comparative tutorial with JAWS

 

I don't think a comparative tutorial explaining how to use both screen-readers is necessary.  I think it should be done in instructional material to point out that screen review in NVDA, for example, is similar to usin g the JAWS cursor in what it does and that you use the numpad for screen-review in NVDA while in JAWS you use the navigation commands you use while in the PC cursor.  If the person knows the JAWS cursor, he will understand what is being said.  If not, it won't matter.  The point is that the person learn screen .review and what it is using NVDA.

 

The same is true for object navigation.

 

And speaking of object navigation, I just did a tutorial on object navigation whhich I sent to the list a number  of days ago.  I found one very minor mistake in describing a dialog being worked with and another minor mistake.  I'll correct them and send the tutorial again.  I'll explain the error and lack of clarification in detail when I send the tutorial again.  The mistakes are minor and may not affect anyone's understanding, who has used the tutorial so far, but they should be corrected. 

 

Gene

On 2/24/2022 3:47 AM, Ketan Kothari wrote:

Dear Friends,

 

Has anyone tried producing a comparative tutorial of NVDA with JAWS.  What I mean is that there are some concepts such JAWS cursor, PC cursor etc. in JAWS and object navigation in NVDA.  How does one use either in a given situation?  I think this will also help in increasing usage of NVDA.  Please help.

 

With best wishes,

 

Ketan

 

Ketan Kothari

Mob: +919987550614

Mob:  +917021054612

Twitter: twitter.com/muktaketan

Facebook: muktaketan@...

 

On Feb 25, 2022, at 08:13, Howard Traxler <htraxler7@...> wrote:

I just downloaded the newest (I think) NVDA, 21.3.3. I don't know where it is. It's not in my downloads folder; can't find it in my "program files\nvda" folder.

Howard

Hi,
Is this a laptop?
If on the desktop, will alt+F4 bring up the shut down menu?
If not, It seems that you have activated the function key mode.
Press function insert F12 to see if it tells the time.

On Feb 25, 2022, at 10:10 AM, Howard Traxler <htraxler7@...> wrote:

All of a sudden, doing NVDA plus f12 tells me the volume level; not the time and date. I ran the NVDA repair program but that didn't fix it Need I reinstall NVDA?


Howard

On Feb 25, 2022, at 2:19 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Screen review is much more simple and easy to explain than object navigation.

You are moving around the screen, the same screen that a sighted person sees and you can move to what is on the screen. 

In object review, you can move to information not shown on screen.  to give one example, if you open a large document in a word processor, the entire document is one object.  Using object navigation, you can move through the entire document.  In screen review, you can only move through what is being displayed on the screen.

I am using desktop commands in this discussion.  I don't know the laptop commands.  Others may wish to give them.

To enter screen review, use the command numpad insert numpad 7.  You may have to use it more than once, depending on if you are someplace where document review is active.  Issue it until you hear screen review.

If you are already in screen review, you will hear no next review mode.

Once you are finished in review mode, don't forget to return to object navigation.  The command is numpad insert numpad 1.  Issue it until you hear object review.  If you try to move further you will hear, no previous review mode.

The following commands are used in review mode.  If there are any others, I am not aware of them.

those interested may want to check the user guide or quick reference guide or other sources but the following commands are either all or almost all of them.

Note the pattern in the following commands:

Numpad 7.  Move to and say the previous line.

Numpad 8, say the current line.

Numpad 9 move to and say the next line.

I've shortened the descriptions of the following commands in the list because the information I've removed is redundant and applies to all of them.

Numpad 4, previous word.  Numpad 5, current word, Numpad 6 next word.

Numpad 1 previous character.

Numpad 2 current character.

Numpad 3 next character.

Shift numpad 7 moves you to the top of the screen.  Shift numpad 9 moves you to the end.

If you press the say current keys quickly more than once, different behaviors will occur.

Pressing numpad 8 quickly twice spells the entire current line.  Pressing three times says every letter in the current line using the phonetic words for the letterss.  For example, gulf for g, kilo  for k. 

Numpad five when pressed twice spells the current word.  Three times says the phonetic word for every letter in the word.

Numpad 2 pressed twice gives the phonetic word for the current letter.  three times gives the decimal or hexidecimal values.

You can move the mouse to your current position in screen review.  To do so, use the command numpad insert numpad slash. 

Left click the mouse with just numpad slash.  Right click it with numpad star, immediately to the right of numpad slash.  This is the same as opening the context menu from the keyboard.

While screen review is still used, it is not useful in a lot of applications where it used to be.  Because of technical changes in Windows 10, also in Windows 11, it can't be used in many contexts where it could before.  You won't be able to move.

Gene

On 2/24/2022 8:16 PM, Ketan Kothari wrote:

Dear Jean,

 

In that case, Could you briefly explain the concept of screen review?  Preferably with an example?  Sorry for troubling you but that will be of immense help to me.

 

With best wishes,

 

Ketan

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2022 6:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Comparative tutorial with JAWS

 

I don't think a comparative tutorial explaining how to use both screen-readers is necessary.  I think it should be done in instructional material to point out that screen review in NVDA, for example, is similar to usin g the JAWS cursor in what it does and that you use the numpad for screen-review in NVDA while in JAWS you use the navigation commands you use while in the PC cursor.  If the person knows the JAWS cursor, he will understand what is being said.  If not, it won't matter.  The point is that the person learn screen .review and what it is using NVDA.

 

The same is true for object navigation.

 

And speaking of object navigation, I just did a tutorial on object navigation whhich I sent to the list a number  of days ago.  I found one very minor mistake in describing a dialog being worked with and another minor mistake.  I'll correct them and send the tutorial again.  I'll explain the error and lack of clarification in detail when I send the tutorial again.  The mistakes are minor and may not affect anyone's understanding, who has used the tutorial so far, but they should be corrected. 

 

Gene

On 2/24/2022 3:47 AM, Ketan Kothari wrote:

Dear Friends,

 

Has anyone tried producing a comparative tutorial of NVDA with JAWS.  What I mean is that there are some concepts such JAWS cursor, PC cursor etc. in JAWS and object navigation in NVDA.  How does one use either in a given situation?  I think this will also help in increasing usage of NVDA.  Please help.

 

With best wishes,

 

Ketan

 

Ketan Kothari

Mob: +919987550614

Mob:  +917021054612

Twitter: twitter.com/muktaketan

Facebook: muktaketan@...

 

On Feb 25, 2022, at 10:10 AM, Howard Traxler <htraxler7@...> wrote:

All of a sudden, doing NVDA plus f12 tells me the volume level; not the time and date. I ran the NVDA repair program but that didn't fix it Need I reinstall NVDA?


Howard

Dear Jean,

 

In that case, Could you briefly explain the concept of screen review?  Preferably with an example?  Sorry for troubling you but that will be of immense help to me.

 

With best wishes,

 

Ketan

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2022 6:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Comparative tutorial with JAWS

 

I don't think a comparative tutorial explaining how to use both screen-readers is necessary.  I think it should be done in instructional material to point out that screen review in NVDA, for example, is similar to usin g the JAWS cursor in what it does and that you use the numpad for screen-review in NVDA while in JAWS you use the navigation commands you use while in the PC cursor.  If the person knows the JAWS cursor, he will understand what is being said.  If not, it won't matter.  The point is that the person learn screen .review and what it is using NVDA.

 

The same is true for object navigation.

 

And speaking of object navigation, I just did a tutorial on object navigation whhich I sent to the list a number  of days ago.  I found one very minor mistake in describing a dialog being worked with and another minor mistake.  I'll correct them and send the tutorial again.  I'll explain the error and lack of clarification in detail when I send the tutorial again.  The mistakes are minor and may not affect anyone's understanding, who has used the tutorial so far, but they should be corrected. 

 

Gene

On 2/24/2022 3:47 AM, Ketan Kothari wrote:

Dear Friends,

 

Has anyone tried producing a comparative tutorial of NVDA with JAWS.  What I mean is that there are some concepts such JAWS cursor, PC cursor etc. in JAWS and object navigation in NVDA.  How does one use either in a given situation?  I think this will also help in increasing usage of NVDA.  Please help.

 

With best wishes,

 

Ketan

 

Ketan Kothari

Mob: +919987550614

Mob:  +917021054612

Twitter: twitter.com/muktaketan

Facebook: muktaketan@...