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Re: Emojis and NVDA under Windows 11

Maria S
 

I access the emoji panel with Windows + semicolon. But I couldn't read
the panel so thanks for the info on the add on.

Maria

On 3/14/22, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
Hi,

I think I know what's up: do you find that you can't use arrow keys to
review emoji panel in Windows 11? If yes, this is resolved via Windows App
Essentials add-on for NVDA versions earlier than 2022.1.

Cheers,

Joseph






Re: experience sharing: Using NVDA's Gestures to Switch the Touchpad

Sharad Koirala
 

thanks Rowen.

On 3/15/22, Rowen Cary <manchen_0528@...> wrote:
hello gene,

I hope this method will allow me to quickly switch the touchpad on and off
without resorting to additional software or complicated steps, and maybe
other people just happen to want to do the same.
Why is it relevant to NVDA?
Because NVDA allows users to map keys, for me it solves a lot of problems,
like mapping an Application key that might not exist on my laptop keyboard.
Of course, using this rare method to be able to switch the touchpad on and
off, I think it's useful to NVDA users, so it's relevant.

Thanks

On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 12:17 AM, Gene wrote:


I don't understand the context of what is being discussed.  Why would
NVDA be able to turn on and off the touch pad?  I see no connection
between that setting and the functions of a screen-reader.


Gene

On 3/14/2022 11:08 AM, Luke Davis wrote:

Rowen Cary wrote:

    If nothing else you will open NVDA's gesture profile, The first
line of the file is: [globalCommands.GlobalCommands]
No it isn't, not always.

Please make sure, if you're trying this, that you do find that line,
and enter your edit below it.

    Please try pressing ctrl+F4 to toggle the on/off state of the
touchpad.
I have tried this on my MSI laptop, which already has a shortcut for
this (FN+F3), and the effect is identical. The touchpad is turned off,
and neither the left or right hard clicks at its bottom corners have
any effect (to answer Brian's question).
Win 10, 21H2.

Next, I tried it where it really matters: on my HP Pavilion, which has
a jumbo touchpad which has always been a pain while typing, and has no
convenient way to disable it on the fly, that I have ever found.
Sadly, on that machine, it has no effect.
Win 10, 1909 (2018 laptop, can't be upgraded past 1909).

Off topic, I want NVDA's input gestures to distinguish between left
and right function keys.
Which key do you mean exactly? The FN key? I was not aware that any
laptop had two of those.
Or the control key? Or something else?

Luke









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Re: Emojis and NVDA under Windows 11

 

Hi,

I think I know what's up: do you find that you can't use arrow keys to review emoji panel in Windows 11? If yes, this is resolved via Windows App Essentials add-on for NVDA versions earlier than 2022.1.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Emojis and NVDA under Windows 11

Gene
 

That's why you use the filter field I discussed.  I can see icons limited to smiling face by typing that in the filter by edit field. 


And if emoji aren't' read by NVDA in the Windows panel, until that is corrected, people who want to use emoji may have to use the NVDA list.


Gene

On 3/14/2022 8:43 PM, Rowen Cary wrote:

Hi gene

I think it sucks compared to the convenience of the Windows emoji panel, and I had to sift through this huge list. The emoji panel on Windows +dot key allows me to filter by category and discover many new emojis. I guess what this thread is trying to convey is that NVDA is not announcing what's on the Windows 11 emoji panel.

Thanks On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 08:54 AM, Gene wrote:

I can't discuss Windows 11 and emoji, but NVDA provides a very large selection within the screen-reader.

New steps start on new lines:

Open the NVDA menu,

open preferences and up arrow to Punctuation/symbol pronunciation.

Press enter.

Shift tab once to filter by.

Type the word or words you want emoji to contain as descriptions of what they are.  If you want emoji showing different kinds of smiling faces, type the word smiling.  If you want to limit what is being shown in the list more, type more descriptive words such as smiling eyes.

Tab once to get back to the list.

Look through it.  If you find one you want to use press NVDA key f9 to set the start marker.

Move the object navigator to the right until you get to the end of the description.

Issue the command NVDA key f10 quickly twice.  You can hold the NVDA key and press f10 quickly twice.

You have copied the emoji to the clipboard.

Paste it into the message where you want it.

I don't know whether you get a better selection  in NVDA or Windows or if they are about the same.

Gene

On 3/14/2022 7:32 PM, Nevzat Adil wrote: > Hi Group, > > After I installed Windows 11 I noticed it's no longer possible to > access emojies using NVDA. > Is there an add- on that would help? Any ideas? >


Re: Emojis and NVDA under Windows 11

Rowen Cary
 

Hi gene

I think it sucks compared to the convenience of the Windows emoji panel, and I had to sift through this huge list. The emoji panel on Windows +dot key allows me to filter by category and discover many new emojis. I guess what this thread is trying to convey is that NVDA is not announcing what's on the Windows 11 emoji panel.

Thanks On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 08:54 AM, Gene wrote:

I can't discuss Windows 11 and emoji, but NVDA provides a very large selection within the screen-reader.

New steps start on new lines:

Open the NVDA menu,

open preferences and up arrow to Punctuation/symbol pronunciation.

Press enter.

Shift tab once to filter by.

Type the word or words you want emoji to contain as descriptions of what they are.  If you want emoji showing different kinds of smiling faces, type the word smiling.  If you want to limit what is being shown in the list more, type more descriptive words such as smiling eyes.

Tab once to get back to the list.

Look through it.  If you find one you want to use press NVDA key f9 to set the start marker.

Move the object navigator to the right until you get to the end of the description.

Issue the command NVDA key f10 quickly twice.  You can hold the NVDA key and press f10 quickly twice.

You have copied the emoji to the clipboard.

Paste it into the message where you want it.

I don't know whether you get a better selection  in NVDA or Windows or if they are about the same.

Gene

On 3/14/2022 7:32 PM, Nevzat Adil wrote: > Hi Group, > > After I installed Windows 11 I noticed it's no longer possible to > access emojies using NVDA. > Is there an add- on that would help? Any ideas? >


Re: experience sharing: Using NVDA's Gestures to Switch the Touchpad

Rowen Cary
 

hello gene,

I hope this method will allow me to quickly switch the touchpad on and off without resorting to additional software or complicated steps, and maybe other people just happen to want to do the same. Why is it relevant to NVDA? Because NVDA allows users to map keys, for me it solves a lot of problems, like mapping an Application key that might not exist on my laptop keyboard. Of course, using this rare method to be able to switch the touchpad on and off, I think it's useful to NVDA users, so it's relevant.

Thanks

On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 12:17 AM, Gene wrote:

I don't understand the context of what is being discussed.  Why would NVDA be able to turn on and off the touch pad?  I see no connection between that setting and the functions of a screen-reader.

Gene

On 3/14/2022 11:08 AM, Luke Davis wrote:

Rowen Cary wrote:

    If nothing else you will open NVDA's gesture profile, The first line of the file is: [globalCommands.GlobalCommands]

No it isn't, not always.

Please make sure, if you're trying this, that you do find that line, and enter your edit below it.

    Please try pressing ctrl+F4 to toggle the on/off state of the touchpad.

I have tried this on my MSI laptop, which already has a shortcut for this (FN+F3), and the effect is identical. The touchpad is turned off, and neither the left or right hard clicks at its bottom corners have any effect (to answer Brian's question). Win 10, 21H2.

Next, I tried it where it really matters: on my HP Pavilion, which has a jumbo touchpad which has always been a pain while typing, and has no convenient way to disable it on the fly, that I have ever found. Sadly, on that machine, it has no effect. Win 10, 1909 (2018 laptop, can't be upgraded past 1909).

Off topic, I want NVDA's input gestures to distinguish between left and right function keys.

Which key do you mean exactly? The FN key? I was not aware that any laptop had two of those. Or the control key? Or something else?

Luke


Re: experience sharing: Using NVDA's Gestures to Switch the Touchpad

Rowen Cary
 

Hi Brian,

On my dell latitude 7490 it only turns off the touchpad and the left and right mouse buttons on the touchpad, not an external mouse. Windows 10 21H2 (x64) build 19044.1586

Thanks

On Mon, Mar 14, 2022 at 11:14 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Rowen,

Although I think I know the answer, I need to ask someone who's using this technique to verify:  Does toggling the mousepad off affect only the trackpad portion, or also disable the left/right click hard buttons (if your mousepad uses these) or the "corner rock presses" left and right if these are used?

On mousepads where there are no literal left and right buttons nor does the whole trackpad allow downward pushes on the corners I have to imagine the whole thing would be turned off, but I'm not certain about when there are

actual "hard controls" for the mouse button presses.

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

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Re: experience sharing: Using NVDA's Gestures to Switch the Touchpad

Rowen Cary
 

Hi Luke,

Thanks Luke for the clarification, it's important, It's my fault, hope your clarification can be seen by more people. I hope this topic is useful to some people, and of course I hope there are more tests to show its feasibility, the provenance of this method is no longer verified, I have to say sorry for this.

"> Which key do you mean exactly? The FN key? I was not aware that any laptop had" I'm referring to the left/right ctrl, shift/alt/windows keys, currently NVDA can clearly distinguish these keys in keyboard help mode, but the input gesture settings don't allow me to use right ctrl+F4 alone and similar combinations.

Thanks

On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 12:08 AM, Luke Davis wrote:

Rowen Cary wrote:

If nothing else you will open NVDA's gesture profile, The first line of

the file is: [globalCommands.GlobalCommands]

No it isn't, not always.

Please make sure, if you're trying this, that you do find that line, and enter

your edit below it.

Please try pressing ctrl+F4 to toggle the on/off state of the touchpad.

I have tried this on my MSI laptop, which already has a shortcut for this (FN+F3), and the effect is identical. The touchpad is turned off, and neither the left or right hard clicks at its bottom corners have any effect (to answer

Brian's question). Win 10, 21H2.

Next, I tried it where it really matters: on my HP Pavilion, which has a jumbo

touchpad which has always been a pain while typing, and has no convenient way to disable it on the fly, that I have ever found. Sadly, on that machine, it has no effect. Win 10, 1909 (2018 laptop, can't be upgraded past 1909).

Off topic, I want NVDA's input gestures to distinguish between left and right function keys.

Which key do you mean exactly? The FN key? I was not aware that any laptop had

two of those. Or the control key? Or something else?

Luke


Re: Emojis and NVDA under Windows 11

Gene
 

I can't discuss Windows 11 and emoji, but NVDA provides a very large selection within the screen-reader.

New steps start on new lines:

Open the NVDA menu,

open preferences and up arrow to Punctuation/symbol pronunciation.

Press enter.

Shift tab once to filter by.

Type the word or words you want emoji to contain as descriptions of what they are.  If you want emoji showing different kinds of smiling faces, type the word smiling.  If you want to limit what is being shown in the list more, type more descriptive words such as smiling eyes.

Tab once to get back to the list.

Look through it.  If you find one you want to use press NVDA key f9 to set the start marker.

Move the object navigator to the right until you get to the end of the description.


Issue the command NVDA key f10 quickly twice.  You can hold the NVDA key and press f10 quickly twice.

You have copied the emoji to the clipboard.

Paste it into the message where you want it.


I don't know whether you get a better selection  in NVDA or Windows or if they are about the same.


Gene

On 3/14/2022 7:32 PM, Nevzat Adil wrote:
Hi Group,

After I installed Windows 11 I noticed it's no longer possible to
access emojies using NVDA.
Is there an add- on that would help? Any ideas?


Re: Emojis and NVDA under Windows 11

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


Does the shortcut not work any more the Windows key + . in most cases and I think the other was comma? but usually the first shortcut done it to bring up the emoji pannel in windows.


Gene nz

On 15/03/2022 1:32 pm, Nevzat Adil wrote:
Hi Group,

After I installed Windows 11 I noticed it's no longer possible to
access emojies using NVDA.
Is there an add- on that would help? Any ideas?


Emojis and NVDA under Windows 11

 

Hi Group,

After I installed Windows 11 I noticed it's no longer possible to
access emojies using NVDA.
Is there an add- on that would help? Any ideas?

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Re: experience sharing: Using NVDA's Gestures to Switch the Touchpad

Jason Bratcher
 

All three laptops I mentioned in my previous message were mostly Windows 10 latest applied update(s).
The DQ1038WM has the unique privilege of being on the latest regular release of Windows 11.--
Jason Bratcher


Re: experience sharing: Using NVDA's Gestures to Switch the Touchpad

Jason Bratcher
 

The HP Pavilion DV7 when on Windows disables the entirety of the pad
(including buttons).
The "buttons" in my case are soft because you don't feel them separately from the pad.
My newer HP DQ1038WM also has 'soft buttons'.
An older Toshiba Satellite C855D I used to use has them 'hard' (separate from the pad).
These also turn off if I turn the touch pad off.

--
Jason Bratcher


Re: Clipspeak Interfering with Clipboard and Other Functions

Gene
 

I've played with the add-on in a portable version of the plugin and many settings don't work.  Copy, cut and paste do.  I may try the plugin in an installed copy of NVDA and I suspect the settings that don't work now will work in an installed version.


You may want to try the plugin but I'm not sure if it will change things you don't want changed.  These may be minor things you don't care about.  It appears that it stops the announcement of groups in ribbons as a default setting. 

I haven't looked at a lot of the settings but if you want to try the plugin, it may change some things you will want to alter in the plugin settings.


To get to the plugin settings, open preferences in NVDA, down arrow to the plugin, press enter, and look around in the menu.  Once you are on something you want to look at, tab around, just as you do when working with NVDA settings.


While I expect you would know or expect this sort of interface, I'm telling you because it isn't discussed in the description on the web site.  The settings aren't discussed in detail on the web site but it appears to me that many of the settings are or are pretty much self-explanatory. 


I'm also discussing these things because others may want to try the plugin and may have questions.


Gene

On 3/14/2022 5:08 PM, Gene wrote:

I doubt that is a general issue.  We'll see if others report it. 


There is another add-on that announces cut, copy, and paste, from what I've read.  I don't recall the name and I'm not sure what to search for.  I did one search without success.  Someone else will likely provide the name.  You may try that one.


Gene

On 3/14/2022 4:52 PM, Abbie Taylor wrote:
A few days ago, I downloaded the new version of ClipSpeak compatible with the latest version of NVDA. Today, I noticed a problem. Things would work fine for a while, and then, while in Chrome, I wouldn't be able to switch between browse and forms mode. When navigating through a list of items in my clipboard, pressing the down and up arrow keys closes the clipboard instead of moving to the next item in the list. Restarting NVDA temporarily resolves the issue. After about the third or fourth time of restarting NVDA, I finally disabled the add-on, and now, everything works as it should. 

I'm finding no way to email the developer except for the address given in the About Add-On dialogue, to which I can't seem to navigate. So, I'm posting this here in the hope he sees it. I love the verbal feedback I get from ClipSpeak when copying, pasting, etc. I hope this issue can be resolved.


Re: Clipspeak Interfering with Clipboard and Other Functions

Gene
 

I did two or three more searches and I found it.  Its called Global Commands Extensions. 

You can download it from this page as well as read an extensive description about the add-on.

https://nvda-addons.org/addon.php?id=138

It has a lot of capabilities.  You may want to try it.


Gene

On 3/14/2022 5:08 PM, Gene wrote:

I doubt that is a general issue.  We'll see if others report it. 


There is another add-on that announces cut, copy, and paste, from what I've read.  I don't recall the name and I'm not sure what to search for.  I did one search without success.  Someone else will likely provide the name.  You may try that one.


Gene

On 3/14/2022 4:52 PM, Abbie Taylor wrote:
A few days ago, I downloaded the new version of ClipSpeak compatible with the latest version of NVDA. Today, I noticed a problem. Things would work fine for a while, and then, while in Chrome, I wouldn't be able to switch between browse and forms mode. When navigating through a list of items in my clipboard, pressing the down and up arrow keys closes the clipboard instead of moving to the next item in the list. Restarting NVDA temporarily resolves the issue. After about the third or fourth time of restarting NVDA, I finally disabled the add-on, and now, everything works as it should. 

I'm finding no way to email the developer except for the address given in the About Add-On dialogue, to which I can't seem to navigate. So, I'm posting this here in the hope he sees it. I love the verbal feedback I get from ClipSpeak when copying, pasting, etc. I hope this issue can be resolved.


Re: Clipspeak Interfering with Clipboard and Other Functions

Gene
 

I doubt that is a general issue.  We'll see if others report it. 


There is another add-on that announces cut, copy, and paste, from what I've read.  I don't recall the name and I'm not sure what to search for.  I did one search without success.  Someone else will likely provide the name.  You may try that one.


Gene

On 3/14/2022 4:52 PM, Abbie Taylor wrote:
A few days ago, I downloaded the new version of ClipSpeak compatible with the latest version of NVDA. Today, I noticed a problem. Things would work fine for a while, and then, while in Chrome, I wouldn't be able to switch between browse and forms mode. When navigating through a list of items in my clipboard, pressing the down and up arrow keys closes the clipboard instead of moving to the next item in the list. Restarting NVDA temporarily resolves the issue. After about the third or fourth time of restarting NVDA, I finally disabled the add-on, and now, everything works as it should. 

I'm finding no way to email the developer except for the address given in the About Add-On dialogue, to which I can't seem to navigate. So, I'm posting this here in the hope he sees it. I love the verbal feedback I get from ClipSpeak when copying, pasting, etc. I hope this issue can be resolved.


Clipspeak Interfering with Clipboard and Other Functions

Abbie Taylor
 

A few days ago, I downloaded the new version of ClipSpeak compatible with the latest version of NVDA. Today, I noticed a problem. Things would work fine for a while, and then, while in Chrome, I wouldn't be able to switch between browse and forms mode. When navigating through a list of items in my clipboard, pressing the down and up arrow keys closes the clipboard instead of moving to the next item in the list. Restarting NVDA temporarily resolves the issue. After about the third or fourth time of restarting NVDA, I finally disabled the add-on, and now, everything works as it should. 

I'm finding no way to email the developer except for the address given in the About Add-On dialogue, to which I can't seem to navigate. So, I'm posting this here in the hope he sees it. I love the verbal feedback I get from ClipSpeak when copying, pasting, etc. I hope this issue can be resolved.


Re: Version 22.03/22.03.1 of Joseph Lee's add-ons: mandatory security updates #addonrelease

 

Hi all,

As promised, here are the links to download 22.03 releases. Remember that Add-on Updater will offer older releases after installing these, so disable add-on updates until further notice:

IMPORTANT: as of this moment Enhanced Touch Gestures, GoldWave, Resource Monitor, Sound Splitter, and StationPlaylist are end of life from me - no more changes accepted. The next releases will be 22.03.1 designed to provide compatibility with upcoming NVDA 2022.1 changes. I will formally resign from maintaining these add-ons a week after 22.03.1 is released.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Clipspeak add-on for NVDA

Gene
 

I don't recall the details of Joseph Lee's message because it doesn't concern anything I do. 


I am absolutely sure the add-on will work.  It works in the current version of NVDA.  Whatever Joseph Lee's message applied to, it wasn't to this version of the add-on.


Gene

On 3/14/2022 12:56 PM, Dave Grossoehme wrote:

Jean what version of NVDA are using this add on for Clip Speak.  The reason I ask, is because of Joseph's prior message.  Are you sure this will work for this person as far as being compatible?

Dave


On 3/10/2022 2:23 PM, Sarah wrote:
Thank you again Gene. 

As for the other messages I have no idea what github is as I use the NVDA adds on community website for any add ons my daughter requires. 
From what I can gather it seems many people likes to use clipspeak as it is quite simple and easy to use. 
Which is why my daughter likes it and her work is mainly done on laptop. 

Hopefully someone can take it over and maintain it for many other people that seems to have requested for a more compatible one, many thanks to whoever did this compatible one which I'm sure my daughter is looking forward to hearing it and being able to use it again as it stopped working in 2020. 

Sarah 


Re: Clipspeak add-on for NVDA

Dave Grossoehme
 

Jean what version of NVDA are using this add on for Clip Speak.  The reason I ask, is because of Joseph's prior message.  Are you sure this will work for this person as far as being compatible?

Dave


On 3/10/2022 2:23 PM, Sarah wrote:
Thank you again Gene. 

As for the other messages I have no idea what github is as I use the NVDA adds on community website for any add ons my daughter requires. 
From what I can gather it seems many people likes to use clipspeak as it is quite simple and easy to use. 
Which is why my daughter likes it and her work is mainly done on laptop. 

Hopefully someone can take it over and maintain it for many other people that seems to have requested for a more compatible one, many thanks to whoever did this compatible one which I'm sure my daughter is looking forward to hearing it and being able to use it again as it stopped working in 2020. 

Sarah 

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