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Re: Emojis and NVDA under Windows 11

 

Hi,

The problem was caused by the fact that when you open emoji panel in Windows 11, a search edit field gets focused. This causes NVDA to treat arrow keys as text navigation commands. Telling NVDA to not treat this field as an edit field fixes the issue, which is the solution implemented in Windows App Essentials and in upcoming NVDA 2022.1.

As for Windows 10 emoji panel and the problem of this panel closing when you press keys, that's new to me - I may need a debug log to figure out what's happening.

As for NVDA assuming the role of Windows App Essentials as far as emoji panel support is concerned, not entirely. There is an issue with IME (input method editor) handling in Windows 11 that I'm still testing with Windows App Essentials add-on, and I plan to submit a pull request to NV Access to get this resolved - part of the delay has to do with Korean IME changes in Windows 11 which I'm still testing, potential changes with upcoming Windows 11 Version 22H2 (about to enter final testing by Windows Insiders), and trying to keep up with school (I'm at a point in graduate school where I need to let go of most of my add-ons to keep up with reading materials).

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Emojis and NVDA under Windows 11

 

Hi Joseph,
Thank you so much!
I downloaded the stable version of Windows App Essentials for NVDA and
now I can read the emojies s with the arrow keys just like before.
👏

On 3/14/22, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
Hi,

I think I know what's up: do you find that you can't use arrow keys to
review emoji panel in Windows 11? If yes, this is resolved via Windows App
Essentials add-on for NVDA versions earlier than 2022.1.

Cheers,

Joseph





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Re: Tracking changes with Screen Reader

 

Jason,

I suggest using my tutorial, Searching a Groups.io Topics Page/Archive, and the search should be on [Word "track changes"] with the square brackets removed and the phrase "track changes" left enclosed in quotes.  This has been discussed, at length, on multiple occasions.
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Tracking changes with Screen Reader

Jason Timms
 

Hi
Someone may have covered his so I apologize

Does the track changes feature work well with NVDA?
I have never had to interact with a document where someone is tracking changes and wondered at what the experience is like, how hard is it to understand who did what and is that feature even perceivable for a Screen Reader user?

Jay


Re: E-mail address, which does not exist, is saved in my Edge. How can I delete it?

Jarek.Krcmar
 

Hello Brian,


yes, the problem was in a profile. I had to log out. Now it is in order.

Jarek

Dne 13.03.2022 v 23:11 Brian Vogel napsal(a):

I am asking that this topic be taken to the Chat Subgroup, as it is about Edge autofill and the answer would be the same regardless of screen reader.

I will mention that looking in Edge Settings, Profiles, Personal Info, Autofill Section is a good starting point.  But if further discussion of Edge is required, it should occur on the Chat Subgroup or the Windows Access with Screen Readers Group.
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Re: Emojis and NVDA under Windows 11

 

For those having trouble with access to the emoji panel and using all versions of NVDA prior to the as yet unreleased 2022.1, I direct you to Joseph Lee's post,  , in this very topic.  The use of that add-on for ease of access to the emoji panel has been around for a long while now (but that need will apparently disappear due to changes to NVDA in the 2022.1 release).
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Constantly insisting on “my rights” with no consideration of “my responsibilities” isn’t “freedom” — it’s adolescence.
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         America 2022: Where Everyone Has Rights and No One Has Responsibilities,
        New York Times, February 8, 2022

 


Re: Problem with windows 11 notepad, and browsers

Gene
 

To check if Chrome is up-to-date, do the following:

Open the Chrome menu with alt f.  Hold alt and while doing so, type f. 

Up arrow to help and press enter.

You are now on About Chrome.  Press enter.

Down arrow a number of times and see if you hear either Chrome is up-to-date, or a button that says something like update to version and then a version number.


Now and then, I check my browsers to make sure they are current.  I don't have a rule about this but I think it is a good idea to do this once a week.  I find that now and then, browsers don't automatically update as they are supposed to.


Gene

On 3/15/2022 5:49 AM, Gene via groups.io wrote:

Regarding Notepad search, you say when you search nothing happens.  What do you do after you press enter after typing a search.  You are still in search and you must press escape to leave search and return to notepad, where you can then move around as usual.  When you do that, are you where you want to be? 


Regarding the problems with browsers, it isn't clear to me just what is happening when you talk about things changing.  What are examples of one or two things that change and how have you changed them in the first place?


Regarding your Google search problem, do what you describe before typing anything in the search field.  Be in forms mode in the search edit field, tab and shift tab and then type the search.  You will be able to type and then to move in the search field and make any corrections you want with speech. 


From what I've read on this list, what you are experiencing is a known issue with Chrome and was fixed in the current version.  Which raises the question of whether your Chrome is the current version. 


I'll write another message about how to check and update Chrome if it isn't updating automatically.


Gene

On 3/15/2022 3:06 AM, Abhishek Raut wrote:

Hello. I have 2 issues while using nvda.

First is problem with notepad, and, another is problem in browsers.

I'm Facing too much problems with windows 11 notepad.
When there is blank line at the end of file, nvda do not speak blank. instead of that, nvda speaks the  second last line.

The find box which comes by pressing ctrl+f, is also not working well. When we type something in find box and press enter, it is not working.

When we type in find box and pressed tab, There are 2 buttons. First one is search down, and, another one is search up.

If we click on any of these, the cursor do not move.

Now let’s come to the second issue.

With browsers there are lots of issues.

Mostly in forms,  nvda automatically switch to focus mode.

For example, if there is form like M C Q questions which means choosing options form, then that time nvda switch automatically to focus mode and the options which we selected before get changed to different.

This automatically switching gives huge issues in websites.

Another problem is with google search.

I am using google chrome. When I search anything in google search box, after some letters, nvda stop speaking the typed letters.

Even if we move cursor by using ctrl + arrow or arrow keys, nvda speaks nothing.

But if we press tab and shift tab, then nvda starts speaking.

Is there any solutions to resolve these issues?

Thank you

Regards,

 

Abhishek Raut.


Re: Problem with windows 11 notepad, and browsers

Gene
 

Regarding Notepad search, you say when you search nothing happens.  What do you do after you press enter after typing a search.  You are still in search and you must press escape to leave search and return to notepad, where you can then move around as usual.  When you do that, are you where you want to be? 


Regarding the problems with browsers, it isn't clear to me just what is happening when you talk about things changing.  What are examples of one or two things that change and how have you changed them in the first place?


Regarding your Google search problem, do what you describe before typing anything in the search field.  Be in forms mode in the search edit field, tab and shift tab and then type the search.  You will be able to type and then to move in the search field and make any corrections you want with speech. 


From what I've read on this list, what you are experiencing is a known issue with Chrome and was fixed in the current version.  Which raises the question of whether your Chrome is the current version. 


I'll write another message about how to check and update Chrome if it isn't updating automatically.


Gene

On 3/15/2022 3:06 AM, Abhishek Raut wrote:

Hello. I have 2 issues while using nvda.

First is problem with notepad, and, another is problem in browsers.

I'm Facing too much problems with windows 11 notepad.
When there is blank line at the end of file, nvda do not speak blank. instead of that, nvda speaks the  second last line.

The find box which comes by pressing ctrl+f, is also not working well. When we type something in find box and press enter, it is not working.

When we type in find box and pressed tab, There are 2 buttons. First one is search down, and, another one is search up.

If we click on any of these, the cursor do not move.

Now let’s come to the second issue.

With browsers there are lots of issues.

Mostly in forms,  nvda automatically switch to focus mode.

For example, if there is form like M C Q questions which means choosing options form, then that time nvda switch automatically to focus mode and the options which we selected before get changed to different.

This automatically switching gives huge issues in websites.

Another problem is with google search.

I am using google chrome. When I search anything in google search box, after some letters, nvda stop speaking the typed letters.

Even if we move cursor by using ctrl + arrow or arrow keys, nvda speaks nothing.

But if we press tab and shift tab, then nvda starts speaking.

Is there any solutions to resolve these issues?

Thank you

Regards,

 

Abhishek Raut.


Re: Problem with windows 11 notepad, and browsers

Luke Davis
 

Abhishek Raut wrote:

I'm Facing too much problems with windows 11 notepad.When there is blank line at the end of file, nvda do not speak blank. instead of that, nvda speaks the 
second last line.
You may check if this has been reported on https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues, and if not, file a bug report.

The find box which comes by pressing ctrl+f, is also not working well. When we type something in find box and press enter, it is not working.
When we type in find box and pressed tab, There are 2 buttons. First one is search down, and, another one is search up.
If we click on any of these, the cursor do not move.
Have you tried the COM Registration repair tool in the NVDA Tools menu? Please do, it may help.

Mostly in forms,  nvda automatically switch to focus mode.
As recently discussed on this list, you can turn that off. Press NVDA+Ctrl+b (to get to browse mode settings, which may be different in your keyboard layout). Tab 6 times to "automatic focus mode for focus changes", uncheck and press enter.
Let us know if that doesn't solve your problem.

This automatically switching gives huge issues in websites.
I suggest you go to the same website above, and file a feature request, asking that switch to focus mode not be done by default. I think there are several people who will support that idea.

Another problem is with google search.
I am using google chrome. When I search anything in google search box, after some letters, nvda stop speaking the typed letters.
Even if we move cursor by using ctrl + arrow or arrow keys, nvda speaks nothing.
Recently discussed on this list. It is a problem in Chrome based browsers, Try pressing alt twice, or alt then escape.
It is already fixed in Chrome 100 I believe.

Luke


Problem with windows 11 notepad, and browsers

Abhishek Raut
 

Hello. I have 2 issues while using nvda.

First is problem with notepad, and, another is problem in browsers.

I'm Facing too much problems with windows 11 notepad.
When there is blank line at the end of file, nvda do not speak blank. instead of that, nvda speaks the  second last line.

The find box which comes by pressing ctrl+f, is also not working well. When we type something in find box and press enter, it is not working.

When we type in find box and pressed tab, There are 2 buttons. First one is search down, and, another one is search up.

If we click on any of these, the cursor do not move.

Now let’s come to the second issue.

With browsers there are lots of issues.

Mostly in forms,  nvda automatically switch to focus mode.

For example, if there is form like M C Q questions which means choosing options form, then that time nvda switch automatically to focus mode and the options which we selected before get changed to different.

This automatically switching gives huge issues in websites.

Another problem is with google search.

I am using google chrome. When I search anything in google search box, after some letters, nvda stop speaking the typed letters.

Even if we move cursor by using ctrl + arrow or arrow keys, nvda speaks nothing.

But if we press tab and shift tab, then nvda starts speaking.

Is there any solutions to resolve these issues?

Thank you

Regards,

 

Abhishek Raut.


Re: Emojis and NVDA under Windows 11

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

I can’t get the emogy panel to stay open in Windows 10 either.  After pressing Windows+. The panel open onSmiling face with smiling eyes  1 of 44 but I can’t navigate the list, it just disappears as soon as I press another key.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

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From: Rowen Cary
Sent: 15 March 2022 01:43
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Emojies in Windows 11

 

Hi gene

I think it sucks compared to the convenience of the Windows emoji panel, and I had to sift through this huge list. The emoji panel on Windows +dot key allows me to filter by category and discover many new emojis. I guess what this thread is trying to convey is that NVDA is not announcing what's on the Windows 11 emoji panel.

Thanks On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 08:54 AM, Gene wrote:

I can't discuss Windows 11 and emoji, but NVDA provides a very large selection within the screen-reader.

New steps start on new lines:

Open the NVDA menu,

open preferences and up arrow to Punctuation/symbol pronunciation.

Press enter.

Shift tab once to filter by.

Type the word or words you want emoji to contain as descriptions of what they are.  If you want emoji showing different kinds of smiling faces, type the word smiling.  If you want to limit what is being shown in the list more, type more descriptive words such as smiling eyes.

Tab once to get back to the list.

Look through it.  If you find one you want to use press NVDA key f9 to set the start marker.

Move the object navigator to the right until you get to the end of the description.

Issue the command NVDA key f10 quickly twice.  You can hold the NVDA key and press f10 quickly twice.

You have copied the emoji to the clipboard.

Paste it into the message where you want it.

I don't know whether you get a better selection  in NVDA or Windows or if they are about the same.

Gene

On 3/14/2022 7:32 PM, Nevzat Adil wrote: > Hi Group, > > After I installed Windows 11 I noticed it's no longer possible to > access emojies using NVDA. > Is there an add- on that would help? Any ideas? >

 


addon updater

Eduardo Fermiano Luccas
 

after I updated the addon updater and the resource monitor, the add-on updater keeps showing me a message to go to a previous version, I wanted to know if there is a way to stop this, or should I just click close


Re: Version 22.03/22.03.1 of Joseph Lee's add-ons: mandatory security updates #addonrelease

Rowen Cary
 

Thanks Joseph


Re: Emojis and NVDA under Windows 11

Maria S
 

I access the emoji panel with Windows + semicolon. But I couldn't read
the panel so thanks for the info on the add on.

Maria

On 3/14/22, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
Hi,

I think I know what's up: do you find that you can't use arrow keys to
review emoji panel in Windows 11? If yes, this is resolved via Windows App
Essentials add-on for NVDA versions earlier than 2022.1.

Cheers,

Joseph






Re: experience sharing: Using NVDA's Gestures to Switch the Touchpad

Sharad Koirala
 

thanks Rowen.

On 3/15/22, Rowen Cary <manchen_0528@...> wrote:
hello gene,

I hope this method will allow me to quickly switch the touchpad on and off
without resorting to additional software or complicated steps, and maybe
other people just happen to want to do the same.
Why is it relevant to NVDA?
Because NVDA allows users to map keys, for me it solves a lot of problems,
like mapping an Application key that might not exist on my laptop keyboard.
Of course, using this rare method to be able to switch the touchpad on and
off, I think it's useful to NVDA users, so it's relevant.

Thanks

On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 12:17 AM, Gene wrote:


I don't understand the context of what is being discussed.  Why would
NVDA be able to turn on and off the touch pad?  I see no connection
between that setting and the functions of a screen-reader.


Gene

On 3/14/2022 11:08 AM, Luke Davis wrote:

Rowen Cary wrote:

    If nothing else you will open NVDA's gesture profile, The first
line of the file is: [globalCommands.GlobalCommands]
No it isn't, not always.

Please make sure, if you're trying this, that you do find that line,
and enter your edit below it.

    Please try pressing ctrl+F4 to toggle the on/off state of the
touchpad.
I have tried this on my MSI laptop, which already has a shortcut for
this (FN+F3), and the effect is identical. The touchpad is turned off,
and neither the left or right hard clicks at its bottom corners have
any effect (to answer Brian's question).
Win 10, 21H2.

Next, I tried it where it really matters: on my HP Pavilion, which has
a jumbo touchpad which has always been a pain while typing, and has no
convenient way to disable it on the fly, that I have ever found.
Sadly, on that machine, it has no effect.
Win 10, 1909 (2018 laptop, can't be upgraded past 1909).

Off topic, I want NVDA's input gestures to distinguish between left
and right function keys.
Which key do you mean exactly? The FN key? I was not aware that any
laptop had two of those.
Or the control key? Or something else?

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Re: Emojis and NVDA under Windows 11

 

Hi,

I think I know what's up: do you find that you can't use arrow keys to review emoji panel in Windows 11? If yes, this is resolved via Windows App Essentials add-on for NVDA versions earlier than 2022.1.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Emojis and NVDA under Windows 11

Gene
 

That's why you use the filter field I discussed.  I can see icons limited to smiling face by typing that in the filter by edit field. 


And if emoji aren't' read by NVDA in the Windows panel, until that is corrected, people who want to use emoji may have to use the NVDA list.


Gene

On 3/14/2022 8:43 PM, Rowen Cary wrote:

Hi gene

I think it sucks compared to the convenience of the Windows emoji panel, and I had to sift through this huge list. The emoji panel on Windows +dot key allows me to filter by category and discover many new emojis. I guess what this thread is trying to convey is that NVDA is not announcing what's on the Windows 11 emoji panel.

Thanks On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 08:54 AM, Gene wrote:

I can't discuss Windows 11 and emoji, but NVDA provides a very large selection within the screen-reader.

New steps start on new lines:

Open the NVDA menu,

open preferences and up arrow to Punctuation/symbol pronunciation.

Press enter.

Shift tab once to filter by.

Type the word or words you want emoji to contain as descriptions of what they are.  If you want emoji showing different kinds of smiling faces, type the word smiling.  If you want to limit what is being shown in the list more, type more descriptive words such as smiling eyes.

Tab once to get back to the list.

Look through it.  If you find one you want to use press NVDA key f9 to set the start marker.

Move the object navigator to the right until you get to the end of the description.

Issue the command NVDA key f10 quickly twice.  You can hold the NVDA key and press f10 quickly twice.

You have copied the emoji to the clipboard.

Paste it into the message where you want it.

I don't know whether you get a better selection  in NVDA or Windows or if they are about the same.

Gene

On 3/14/2022 7:32 PM, Nevzat Adil wrote: > Hi Group, > > After I installed Windows 11 I noticed it's no longer possible to > access emojies using NVDA. > Is there an add- on that would help? Any ideas? >


Re: Emojis and NVDA under Windows 11

Rowen Cary
 

Hi gene

I think it sucks compared to the convenience of the Windows emoji panel, and I had to sift through this huge list. The emoji panel on Windows +dot key allows me to filter by category and discover many new emojis. I guess what this thread is trying to convey is that NVDA is not announcing what's on the Windows 11 emoji panel.

Thanks On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 08:54 AM, Gene wrote:

I can't discuss Windows 11 and emoji, but NVDA provides a very large selection within the screen-reader.

New steps start on new lines:

Open the NVDA menu,

open preferences and up arrow to Punctuation/symbol pronunciation.

Press enter.

Shift tab once to filter by.

Type the word or words you want emoji to contain as descriptions of what they are.  If you want emoji showing different kinds of smiling faces, type the word smiling.  If you want to limit what is being shown in the list more, type more descriptive words such as smiling eyes.

Tab once to get back to the list.

Look through it.  If you find one you want to use press NVDA key f9 to set the start marker.

Move the object navigator to the right until you get to the end of the description.

Issue the command NVDA key f10 quickly twice.  You can hold the NVDA key and press f10 quickly twice.

You have copied the emoji to the clipboard.

Paste it into the message where you want it.

I don't know whether you get a better selection  in NVDA or Windows or if they are about the same.

Gene

On 3/14/2022 7:32 PM, Nevzat Adil wrote: > Hi Group, > > After I installed Windows 11 I noticed it's no longer possible to > access emojies using NVDA. > Is there an add- on that would help? Any ideas? >


Re: experience sharing: Using NVDA's Gestures to Switch the Touchpad

Rowen Cary
 

hello gene,

I hope this method will allow me to quickly switch the touchpad on and off without resorting to additional software or complicated steps, and maybe other people just happen to want to do the same. Why is it relevant to NVDA? Because NVDA allows users to map keys, for me it solves a lot of problems, like mapping an Application key that might not exist on my laptop keyboard. Of course, using this rare method to be able to switch the touchpad on and off, I think it's useful to NVDA users, so it's relevant.

Thanks

On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 12:17 AM, Gene wrote:

I don't understand the context of what is being discussed.  Why would NVDA be able to turn on and off the touch pad?  I see no connection between that setting and the functions of a screen-reader.

Gene

On 3/14/2022 11:08 AM, Luke Davis wrote:

Rowen Cary wrote:

    If nothing else you will open NVDA's gesture profile, The first line of the file is: [globalCommands.GlobalCommands]

No it isn't, not always.

Please make sure, if you're trying this, that you do find that line, and enter your edit below it.

    Please try pressing ctrl+F4 to toggle the on/off state of the touchpad.

I have tried this on my MSI laptop, which already has a shortcut for this (FN+F3), and the effect is identical. The touchpad is turned off, and neither the left or right hard clicks at its bottom corners have any effect (to answer Brian's question). Win 10, 21H2.

Next, I tried it where it really matters: on my HP Pavilion, which has a jumbo touchpad which has always been a pain while typing, and has no convenient way to disable it on the fly, that I have ever found. Sadly, on that machine, it has no effect. Win 10, 1909 (2018 laptop, can't be upgraded past 1909).

Off topic, I want NVDA's input gestures to distinguish between left and right function keys.

Which key do you mean exactly? The FN key? I was not aware that any laptop had two of those. Or the control key? Or something else?

Luke


Re: experience sharing: Using NVDA's Gestures to Switch the Touchpad

Rowen Cary
 

Hi Brian,

On my dell latitude 7490 it only turns off the touchpad and the left and right mouse buttons on the touchpad, not an external mouse. Windows 10 21H2 (x64) build 19044.1586

Thanks

On Mon, Mar 14, 2022 at 11:14 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Rowen,

Although I think I know the answer, I need to ask someone who's using this technique to verify:  Does toggling the mousepad off affect only the trackpad portion, or also disable the left/right click hard buttons (if your mousepad uses these) or the "corner rock presses" left and right if these are used?

On mousepads where there are no literal left and right buttons nor does the whole trackpad allow downward pushes on the corners I have to imagine the whole thing would be turned off, but I'm not certain about when there are

actual "hard controls" for the mouse button presses.

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

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