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Can't Upgrade While Using RDP

Russell James
 

Greetings,

The memories are fading it has been so long...
I used to be able to upgrade NVDA while using RDP.

However, with the 2021.3.4 upgrade this is not possible.

Russ


Re: NVDA and Go to Meeting

ely.r@...
 

Betsy,
Have you reported this to NVDA support?
Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Betsy Grenevitch
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2022 1:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Go to Meeting

I rarely use go to Meeting but now am having to use it on at least a monthly basis. Is there a way to get NVDA to work with it so you can find the buttons such as mute and unmute? My daughter says they are all graphics. Thanks.

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Re: Version 22.03/22.03.1 of Joseph Lee's add-ons: mandatory security updates #addonrelease

farhan israk
 

If I need to update addons manually then why am I using addon updater?


On Mon, 14 Mar 2022, 5:32 pm Joseph Lee, <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hello NVDA users community,

I understand the subject line may look strange, but it will become clear as you read this announcement:

In a few hours I will release version 22.03 of my add-ons (manual mandatory updates), followed by 22.03.1 which will make my add-ons compatible with upcoming NVDA 2022.1 changes. It is likely that 22.03.1, scheduled to be released the day after NVDA 2022.1 beta 1 is released, will be the one showing up on Add-on Updater and on community add-ons website (I will update this thread once that happens).

 

Three important notes:

  • You may notice that I’m talking about two add-on versions: 22.03 and 22.03.1. Originally I was planning to release 22.03 as soon as upcoming NVDA 2022.1 beta 1 was released. However, I have received a private report last week detailing the fact that parts of some add-ons will continue to function if NVDA is running in secure screens. Further, after checking my add-ons, I have discovered at least two security issues that can cause problems: commands that can open a web browser to a specific site then allowing users to browse somewhere else, and creating and writing files other than NVDA configuration file. Because at least two add-ons I maintain had both issues present, I decided to check other add-ons and work on solutions throughout the weekend. While doing so, a potential issue was discovered that could affect system settings, and at least one add-on was affected. The result is 22.03 security update for my add-ons (mandatory). Because NV Access is working on NVDA 2022.1 at the moment, I decided to prioritize security rather than wait for 2022.1 beta 1 to be released, therefore the two releases. In short, both 22.03 and 22.03.1 will be identical apart from NVDA compatibility (more on that below); if Add-on Updater offers what appears to be an older version of add-ons, ignore this, or you can turn off automatic add-on updates until I say go ahead and upgrade when Add-on Updater offers these releases (likely 22.03.1).
  • As I announced a few days ago, I’m ending support for Windows 7, 8, and 8.1 from my add-ons soon. In preparation for that, I hereby declare that 22.03/22.03.1 will be the final release(s) to support old Windows releases. I strongly urge you to upgrade to Windows 10, or if your system is ready, to Windows 11 unless you are in a situation where an upgrade can’t be performed (corporate domain, for example).
  • A while ago I announced that I’m about to end maintenance for most of my add-ons. I thought 22.01 (January 2022) will be the final releases, but since no-one has stepped up to maintain them, I decided to provide a one last release so add-ons can be made compatible with upcoming NVDA changes. But then security issues came up, so in a way I’m dividing this last release into two parts: 22.03 and 22.03.1, a security release compatible with NVDA 2021.3 and a follow-up release compatible with 2022.1 changes, respectively; I expect no changes between these two releases apart from add-on manifests, hence my statement of identical releases abov. To users of Enhanced Touch Gestures, GoldWave, Resource Monitor, Sound Splitter, and StationPlaylist, I would like to take this time to say thank you from bottom of my heart for all your feedback while I maintained these add-ons. My final day as a maintainer of these add-ons will be a week after NVDA 2022.1 beta 1 is released so I can prepare these add-ons to end support for older Windows releases before handing the add-on to the community for further maintenance.

 

One more thing: I will update this thread when version 22.03 of my add-ons are ready for download.

 

Changelog:

 

All add-ons:

  • NVDA 2021.3 or later is required. I strongly urge everyone to upgrade to 2021.3.3 if possible.
  • Version 22.03.x will be the final releases to support Windows 7 SP1, 8, and 8.1 with three exceptions: Add-on Updater, Sound Splitter, and Windows App Essentials. If you haven’t, I urge you to upgrade to Windows 10, or if compatible, to Windows 11 unless you are in a situation where you can’t do so.

 

Security:

  • The following add-ons will be disabled completely if NVDA is running in secure screens: Add-on Updater, Sound Splitter, StationPlaylist. These add-ons can access the web, read and write files other than NVDA configuration database, and change system settings, with the first two being high security risks.

 

Windows compatibility:

  • As noted above, most of my add-ons will end support for older Windows releases. A message will be displayed when installing version 22.03/22.03.1 of the following add-ons: Enhanced Touch Gestures, GoldWave, Resource Monitor, StationPlaylist.

 

Add-on Updater:

  • Because the add-on will be disabled completely in secure screens, Add-on Updater will not check for updates for add-ons installed in secure screen copy of NVDA.

 

Resource Monitor and Sound Splitter:

  • Psutil dependency was updated to 5.9.0.

 

Sound Splitter:

  • Changed sound splitter toggle command (Alt+NVDA+S) to toggle between NVDA on the right channel, on the left channel, or sound splitter disabled.

 

StationPlaylist:

  • This is the last version to support Studio suite 5.30.
  • It is no longer possible to perform the following commands if NVDA is running in secure mode: all SPL Controller layer commands, switching to Studio from other programs, obtaining Studio status and encoder status from other programs.
  • It is no longer possible to copy track comments to the clipboard or add or change comments if NVDA is running in secure mode.
  • It is no longer possible to copy playlist transcripts to clipboard or save it to a file if NVDA is running in secure mode. Only viewing transcripts will be allowed in secure mode.
  • To improve security, online user guide command from SPL Assistant (Shift+F1) has been removed.
  • It is no longer possible to create, copy, rename, delete, or configure instant switch status for broadcast profiles if NVDA is running in secure mode.
  • It is no longer possible to configure advanced add-on settings or reset settings to defaults from add-on settings screen if NVDA is running in secure mode.
  • In Studio, NVDA will no longer do nothing or play error tones if attempting to obtain playlist snapshots (SPL Assistant, F8) if the loaded playlist consists only of hour markers.
  • In Creator 6.0, NVDA will no longer appear to do nothing when one of the columns explorer column is "Date Restriction" as the column has been renamed to "Restrictions".

 

Windows App Essentials:

  • Various features and fixes that were included with the add-on are now part of NVDA. These include announcing search suggestion count in apps such as Settings and Microsoft Store and "pane" no longer being announced when switching between apps in Windows 11.
  • Installing and using the add-on on Windows Insider Preview builds between 20348 (Server 2022) and 22000 (Windows 11) is no longer supported.
  • Removed the warning message when installing the add-on on Windows Server systems as the add-on is better optimized for Windows 10/11 client systems.
  • Removed deprecated XAML heading detection feature.
  • Removed the debug tone heard when UIA notification events come from background apps when debug log is on. Use Event Tracker add-on to debug UIA notification events.
  • Removed Start menu size announcement workaround as it is no longer heard in recent Windows 10 releases.
  • UIA drag drop effect property event is now tracked.
  • More information is announced when arranging Start menu tiles or Action center quick actions with Alt+Shift+arrow keys such as potential location of the dragged tile and placement of Action center quick action.
  • Calculator: NvDA will announce results when more commands are performed such as pressing equals (=) key and performing operations in scientific calculator mode such as trigonometric operations.
  • Maps: Removed street side view workaround as it is no longer applicable in recent app releases.
  • Modern keyboard: In Windows 11 clipboard history, browse mode will be turned off by default, designed to let NVDA announce clipboard history entry menu items.
  • Settings: In Windows 10, update history items no longer include installation status to align with Windows 11.

 

This thread will be updated when:

  • Version 22.03 of these add-ons are ready for download (manual update)
  • NVDA 2022.1 beta 1 is released, and subsequently, version 22.03.1 of these add-ons are released
  • Add-on updates are showing on Add-on Updater

 

Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: NVDA and Go to Meeting

Richard Kuzma
 

Good afternoon,
I use go to meeting on occasion and am using jaws here and am dead in the water once I join the meeting,
So would guess nvda is no good either, but never tried with it.
Don’t forget there is always the option to call into the meeting via phone and that would give you access to the stuff via your phone keypad.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Betsy Grenevitch
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2022 1:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Go to Meeting

I rarely use go to Meeting but now am having to use it on at least a monthly basis. Is there a way to get NVDA to work with it so you can find the buttons such as mute and unmute? My daughter says they are all graphics. Thanks.

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NVDA and Go to Meeting

Betsy Grenevitch
 

I rarely use go to Meeting but now am having to use it on at least a monthly basis. Is there a way to get NVDA to work with it so you can find the buttons such as mute and unmute? My daughter says they are all graphics. Thanks.

--
Betsy Grenevitch 678-862-3876


Task Bar - Running Applications - After upgrade 2021.3.4

Russell James
 

Greetings,

I think this happened after the previous update as well...

When I upgraded to 2021.3.4 my running applications in the task bar go silent using mouse over the icons.
The icons to the left are spoken but all I get when using the mouse over the running application icons is a generic "running applications" response.

When I restart the problem is resolved.

Russ


Re: Clipspeak Interfering with Clipboard and Other Functions

 

Hi,

By the way, when you do release a ClipSpeak version compatible with upcoming NVDA 2022.1, please do two things: inform the add-ons list about the new maintainer, and post the repo somewhere (these days, GitHub); these two tasks are required, especially the second task (since the previous maintainer posted the source code in GitHub).

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Clipspeak Interfering with Clipboard and Other Functions

Rui Fontes
 

Thanks!

It was already corrected.


Rui Fontes


Às 16:17 de 17/03/2022, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi,

Without going into details (because it is quite technical here), there is a line of code near the top of the file where everything from a module is imported which is considered bad practice in Python programming community.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Clipspeak Interfering with Clipboard and Other Functions

 

Hi,

Without going into details (because it is quite technical here), there is a line of code near the top of the file where everything from a module is imported which is considered bad practice in Python programming community.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: In praise of the NAO (NVDA Advanced OCR) addon

 

Not an NVDA Add-On, that's for sure, but for anyone who wants to add a text layer directly to an image scanned PDF (or PDF that contains text that's somehow not accessible) and save that permanently as part of the PDF file, see my now ancient tutorial:  Using Tracker Software’s PDF-Xchange Viewer to OCR Process Image Scanned PDFs

Still works like a charm, and they have free language packs for something like 20 languages in addition to the 4 that come built-in to their OCR engine as shipped.  It does not, however, language switch.  It's presumed that the document being OCR-ed is in one language.
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In praise of the NAO (NVDA Advanced OCR) addon

Devin Prater
 
Edited

Hi all. We got an inaccessible, 500 page PDF at work we needed to make accessible. This came from a place that should have known much better to even create inaccessible PDF's, let alone send them out. Anyways, the PDF was password protected, so we couldn't just send it to Adobe Reader and convert it to word format. So, after grabbing the latest version of NAO [nao 2022.1.2 (stable)], which was released in 2022 and now shows page number progress as the document is being scanned, I tried it out and it worked! So I just selected all the text, copied it, pasted into Word, and there we go!
 
So, if the person who developed this addon is here, thank you so much for this, and I've donated to show my appreciation in more than words.
Devin Prater
 
 


Re: Clipspeak add-on for NVDA

 

On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 09:13 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
And, remember that most portuguese and brazilian users, as well as other language communities, do not post in this list, or in GitHub, because they do not know english or do not know how to use GitHub...
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I know there are several other-than-English language NVDA groups which I would expect for any internationally used product.

But when it comes to GitHub, that's the communication mechanism.  The form for either bug report or feature request issues translates in a pretty straightforward way using something like Google Translate, and the whole thing can be reversed back to English that way, too.

I can't fix the fact that GitHub is the project management software used nor that the de facto project language is English.  There are always issues to be worked around when different language communities interact.
 
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Re: Clipspeak add-on for NVDA

 

On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 09:10 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:

First, a gentle request...

Do not use idiomatic expressions, since many readers have not english as his primary language...

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Sorry, Rui, but I can't and won't be doing that.

Though this group has no "official language" is does have English, and most specifically U.S. English, as the lingua franca.

There are times when idioms best express a concept to the majority of the readership.

The entire NVDA project uses English as it's base language, too.  Most software projects have a language, not necessarily English, as the spoken and written common denominator in its community.  To use another idiom, "When in Rome, do as the Romans do."
 
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Constantly insisting on “my rights” with no consideration of “my responsibilities” isn’t “freedom” — it’s adolescence.
     ~ Commenter, Evangelos, in comments for
         America 2022: Where Everyone Has Rights and No One Has Responsibilities,
        New York Times, February 8, 2022

 


acapela and codefactory add-ons and latest snapshot

mattias
 

Are the acapela and codefactory add-ons incompatible again?!

 


Re: Clipspeak add-on for NVDA

Rui Fontes
 

And, remember that most portuguese and brazilian users, as well as other language communities, do not post in this list, or in GitHub, because they do not know english or do not know how to use GitHub...


Best regards,

Rui Fontes
NVDA portuguese team


Às 00:02 de 17/03/2022, Gene escreveu:

While it isn't continually asked for but there are often long times between, that doesn't mean it isn't wanted and that it wouldn't be asked for a lot if more people asked for things.  I may be wrong, there may be other things that would be asked for more, and this may not be wanted as much as I think, but considering that most members never participate in lists like this but follow the list and never write anything, I think my statement is a good guess.  I suspect that for every one person who asks for it, there may be twenty, thirty, fifty, perhaps far more people who just never bother asking for it or discussing it on the list.  And people on the list are far more likely to know about the add-on and thus be less likely to ask. 
 
I don't see much requested in terms of new features in general but I see this one asked for more than anything else.  I'd be fascinated to see those switching from JAWS or who use both screen-readers asked how much they want this feature.  If a lot of  people switch from JAWS, I think a lot of them would want this feature.

Also, as Rui said, he stopped asking for it.  Others may have stopped as well. 


Gene

On 3/16/2022 5:16 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 03:36 PM, Gene wrote:
Since it appears that the ability to hear copy, cut, and paste is the most requested feature in NVDA
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Gene,

What makes you say this?  I'm not saying it's wrong, but this particular desire tends to come up occasionally and disappear for long periods of time.  I have not noticed it being requested with particular frequency or forcefulness by the community as a whole.

That being said, you are correct that if a feature request exists, or is created, for this then it is up to members of the NVDA user community to comment on it if they want it to get any traction.  I have said, over and over and over again, that the end users of NVDA have no idea how lucky they are to have a direct communication channel with the developer community for NVDA in the form of GitHub.  That is exceedingly rare, and gives the NVDA user community a voice that most user communities would give their eye teeth to have.

One cannot, and should not, use GitHub to create new bug reports or feature requests without due consideration.  But it is underused by the user community.  Even if the only thing you (the generic you) do is occasionally check if an issue exists for something of interest to you, and giving a "me too" comment that includes something of substance beyond just "me too," to them it ensures they don't slowly sink to the bottom of the priority ocean.  A "me too" alone doesn't say much, but a description of your own situation and why you want something, too, gives it weight.
 
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Re: Clipspeak add-on for NVDA

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!


First, a gentle request...

Do not use idiomatic expressions, since many readers have not english as his primary language...


Regarding the copy/paste announcement, Jaws and System Access have it...

Regarding key commands, Narrator have a nice implementation...


Rui Fontes


Às 23:05 de 16/03/2022, Brian Vogel escreveu:

On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 06:59 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Many people, as myself, have quit asking this feature because NV Access is tottally against it...
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I am not naïve, and I understand where you're coming from, but you and others like you do need to consider that "the squeaky wheel gets the grease" may apply in situations like this.

I can't say that you have done this, but many "quit squeaking" far, far, far to early on.

For virtually any software, a large and long enough outcry from the user community has a tendency to effect change.

All of the above having been said, I also understand that, after a certain point, the desire to keep on fighting just dies out.

It's funny, but as someone who is sighted, and who has worked with screen reader users for some time, I never even think about having cut/copy/paste speak what's being cut, copied, or pasted, as that should have been a part of the selection process.  Mind you, confirmation that a cut/copy/paste command has been issued is handy, and at the moment I can't remember which screen reader(s) do this confirmation announcement by default.
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        New York Times, February 8, 2022

 


Re: Clipspeak Interfering with Clipboard and Other Functions

Rui Fontes
 

Hello Joseph!


You wrote:

The add-on uses code that's removed in upcoming NVDA release, along with employing practices that can raise eyebrows (it did raise mine). In order for any future version of ClipSpeak to work with upcoming vast changes, it must be edited at the source code level...


I am taking care of that...

I have already a working version...

But I will like to know what part of the code made you "raise eyebrows"...


Rui Fontes


How to use Endnote App with NVDA

Aschalew Byness
 

Hi listers
I found Endnote application inaccessible with NVDA. Is there any addon developed for that? PS. Endnote is an app that help us insert citation into our writing with the  citation style we want.
Thanks


Re: experience sharing: Using NVDA's Gestures to Switch the Touchpad

Quentin Christensen
 

I know input help will generally tell you what you've pressed, but I'm not sure exactly what input gestures store - and I can't think of a command which ONLY accepts left or right control / alt / shift etc to test with . If you have an example, please do test it and report back!

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 12:44 PM Rowen Cary <manchen_0528@...> wrote:

Hi Quentin,

I'm actually more curious if NVDA can distinguish between left and right when mapping keys, For example, I only want to use Ctrl+a letter on the right to achieve a certain function.

Thanks On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 08:21 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

As others have hinted at, NVDA allows you to map ANY keystroke. We covered the steps to do this using the input gestures dialog in In-Process a few weeks back: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-22nd-february-2022/#emulating That would be the preferred method for most users, rather than editing files directly.

As to its relevance - one main use for the feature is to allow Braille device users to map system commands to various keys on the device. But, if you need to toggle your trackpad on and off regularly, and your device doesn't provide a handy keystroke for that already - then this is also an option.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 2:55 PM Sharad Koirala shakoirala@... wrote:

thanks Rowen.

On 3/15/22, Rowen Cary wrote: > hello gene, > > I hope this method will allow me to quickly switch the touchpad on and off > without resorting to additional software or complicated steps, and maybe > other people just happen to want to do the same. > Why is it relevant to NVDA? > Because NVDA allows users to map keys, for me it solves a lot of problems, > like mapping an Application key that might not exist on my laptop keyboard. > Of course, using this rare method to be able to switch the touchpad on and > off, I think it's useful to NVDA users, so it's relevant. > > Thanks > > On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 12:17 AM, Gene wrote: > >> >> I don't understand the context of what is being discussed. Why would >> NVDA be able to turn on and off the touch pad? I see no connection >> between that setting and the functions of a screen-reader. >> >> >> Gene >> >> On 3/14/2022 11:08 AM, Luke Davis wrote: >> >> > Rowen Cary wrote: >> > >> >> If nothing else you will open NVDA's gesture profile, The first >> >> line of the file is: [globalCommands.GlobalCommands] >> > >> > No it isn't, not always. >> > >> > Please make sure, if you're trying this, that you do find that line, >> > and enter your edit below it. >> > >> >> Please try pressing ctrl+F4 to toggle the on/off state of the >> >> touchpad. >> > >> > I have tried this on my MSI laptop, which already has a shortcut for >> > this (FN+F3), and the effect is identical. The touchpad is turned off, >> > and neither the left or right hard clicks at its bottom corners have >> > any effect (to answer Brian's question). >> > Win 10, 21H2. >> > >> > Next, I tried it where it really matters: on my HP Pavilion, which has >> > a jumbo touchpad which has always been a pain while typing, and has no >> > convenient way to disable it on the fly, that I have ever found. >> > Sadly, on that machine, it has no effect. >> > Win 10, 1909 (2018 laptop, can't be upgraded past 1909). >> > >> >> Off topic, I want NVDA's input gestures to distinguish between left >> >> and right function keys. >> > >> > Which key do you mean exactly? The FN key? I was not aware that any >> > laptop had two of those. >> > Or the control key? Or something else? >> > >> > Luke >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >

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Re: NVDA and word perfect

Quentin Christensen
 

Ah thanks Brian!  I must admit I only had a quick look :)


On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 11:37 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Quentin,

FYI, the actual page for Biblos on that developer's site, http://www.digrande.it/en/Biblos.aspx, for some reason pops up in English when I land on it, but the main page does not.  There is a language selection dropdown at the bottom of the page that allows the selection of English, Spanish, Italian, and Portugese.
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        New York Times, February 8, 2022

 



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