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Re: Can't Upgrade While Using RDP

Russell James
 

Hi Luke

I don't ever recall a time that Microsoft remote desktop was not accessible
I've never used the nvda remote feature I've always just run an installed copy of nvda on the remote computer

Microsoft remote desktop has always supported the audio coming through from the remote therefore making screen readers usable on the remote computer

I also used to be able to do nvda updates on the remote computer using it this way but that is no longer possible

Thank you Jacob when I get a chance I'll try that out maybe if I'm not running in vda on the remote computer I can do the upgrade :-)

Russ


On Fri, Mar 18, 2022, 2:26 AM Jacob Kruger <jacob@...> wrote:

Christopher, when I use the disconnect sub-menu item under windows 10's power user menu - windows key + X, it never has any issues with disconnecting connection - only real issue have had as such is need to make sure remember to turn off any audio-ducking modes on client machine, before connect to remote machine, or else it might, at times, come across a bit soft?


And, this is all under windows 10 x64, on both ends of connection.


Jacob Kruger
+2782 413 4791
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2022-03-18 01:14 AM, Christopher Duffley wrote:
If you're referring to Microsoft Remote Desktop, yes, about 99% of it or so is very accessible with NVDA! The best way to disconnect a machine that's on an NVDARemote connection, however, is to use a Disconnect RDP.bat file that I can send a link to for the Machine being controlled. This is because if you don't use this file disconnect almost every other way, the NVDARemote connection will freeze in terms of sending commands to the machine.

Christopher Duffley
Host of Mission Possible Podcast: http://www.missionpossiblepodcast.com
Cell: +1 (603) 851-6971

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On Mar 17, 2022, at 19:03, Luke Davis <luke@...> wrote:

Russell James wrote:

I used to be able to upgrade NVDA while using RDP.

Perhaps I am behind the times, but my understanding was that RDP was not accessible--That it was, in fact, entirely graphical.
Have I missed an important change?

If not, and it is still entirely inaccessible, how did you used to do this?

Luke






Re: Kind of a broad question, but what changes have been made in the last couple of years?

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!


Regarding Vocalizer-Expressive Samantha, she is still working and your license still valid.

Vocalizer-Expressive is, right now, compatible with NVDA 2021.3.4.

Compatibility with NVDA 2022.1 is ready to be distributed.


Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.
 


Às 12:28 de 18/03/2022, Phillip Gross escreveu:

Good morning. As I said in the subject line, this is kind of a broad question, so I'll apologize to you in advance.

I used NVDA as my primary screen reader for several years. In 2019, I switched back to JAWS for a while and made NVDA secondary. I am now switching back to NVDA. What do I need to know about, good or bad, that's changed in the last 2.5 years?

In addition, what voices do you recommend at this point? I was using the Samantha Vocalizer add on back then, but as I recall there were problems with it and it hadn't been updated. I liked it because it meant that all of my devices were using the same voice.

Anyway, thanks for your time.


Re: Kind of a broad question, but what changes have been made in the last couple of years?

Eduardo Fermiano Luccas
 

a tip: in NVDA's browse mode, you can press the number 2, this will make NVDA navigate between the new features of each version

Em sex., 18 de mar. de 2022 às 09:34, Eduardo Fermiano Luccas via groups.io <25102008luccas=gmail.com@groups.io> escreveu:

you can check this in NVDA's help menu by going with NVDA+n and going to help and clicking on news, there will be all the news from NVDA 2019 until today

Em sex., 18 de mar. de 2022 às 09:28, Phillip Gross <phillip_gross@...> escreveu:
Good morning. As I said in the subject line, this is kind of a broad question, so I'll apologize to you in advance.

I used NVDA as my primary screen reader for several years. In 2019, I switched back to JAWS for a while and made NVDA secondary. I am now switching back to NVDA. What do I need to know about, good or bad, that's changed in the last 2.5 years?

In addition, what voices do you recommend at this point? I was using the Samantha Vocalizer add on back then, but as I recall there were problems with it and it hadn't been updated. I liked it because it meant that all of my devices were using the same voice.

Anyway, thanks for your time.


Re: Kind of a broad question, but what changes have been made in the last couple of years?

Eduardo Fermiano Luccas
 

you can check this in NVDA's help menu by going with NVDA+n and going to help and clicking on news, there will be all the news from NVDA 2019 until today

Em sex., 18 de mar. de 2022 às 09:28, Phillip Gross <phillip_gross@...> escreveu:

Good morning. As I said in the subject line, this is kind of a broad question, so I'll apologize to you in advance.

I used NVDA as my primary screen reader for several years. In 2019, I switched back to JAWS for a while and made NVDA secondary. I am now switching back to NVDA. What do I need to know about, good or bad, that's changed in the last 2.5 years?

In addition, what voices do you recommend at this point? I was using the Samantha Vocalizer add on back then, but as I recall there were problems with it and it hadn't been updated. I liked it because it meant that all of my devices were using the same voice.

Anyway, thanks for your time.


Kind of a broad question, but what changes have been made in the last couple of years?

Phillip Gross
 

Good morning. As I said in the subject line, this is kind of a broad question, so I'll apologize to you in advance.

I used NVDA as my primary screen reader for several years. In 2019, I switched back to JAWS for a while and made NVDA secondary. I am now switching back to NVDA. What do I need to know about, good or bad, that's changed in the last 2.5 years?

In addition, what voices do you recommend at this point? I was using the Samantha Vocalizer add on back then, but as I recall there were problems with it and it hadn't been updated. I liked it because it meant that all of my devices were using the same voice.

Anyway, thanks for your time.


Re: NVDA not starting with Windows: Curious or Interested Why?

Christo Vorster
 

Yes, so I also do

 

Stay well

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: Friday, 18 March 2022 12:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA: CURIOUS OR INTERESTED WHY

 

Christo, it's never been consistent, so, just worked around it.

 

Stay well


Jacob Kruger
+2782 413 4791
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2022-03-18 12:32 PM, Christo Vorster wrote:

Thanks Jacob. I wondered whether I was the only one experiencing it.

 

Regards

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: Friday, 18 March 2022 12:29
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA: CURIOUS OR INTERESTED WHY

 

Christo, every now and then, after updating NVDA to a new version, have found that needed to then turn off automatic starting, and then turn it on again, but, inconsistently.

 

Stay well


Jacob Kruger
+2782 413 4791
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2022-03-18 12:07 PM, Christo Vorster wrote:

Good day Group

 

I found, a few times in the passed three or four weeks that, after I turned on my computer, that NVDA does not start automatically, even though I always has it set to do so. Could anyone maybe give met an indication as to what my be the problem?

 

Regards

 

Christo Vorster (Worcester, South Africa)


Re: NVDA not starting with Windows: Curious or Interested Why?

Jacob Kruger
 

Christo, it's never been consistent, so, just worked around it.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
+2782 413 4791
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2022-03-18 12:32 PM, Christo Vorster wrote:

Thanks Jacob. I wondered whether I was the only one experiencing it.

 

Regards

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: Friday, 18 March 2022 12:29
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA: CURIOUS OR INTERESTED WHY

 

Christo, every now and then, after updating NVDA to a new version, have found that needed to then turn off automatic starting, and then turn it on again, but, inconsistently.

 

Stay well


Jacob Kruger
+2782 413 4791
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2022-03-18 12:07 PM, Christo Vorster wrote:

Good day Group

 

I found, a few times in the passed three or four weeks that, after I turned on my computer, that NVDA does not start automatically, even though I always has it set to do so. Could anyone maybe give met an indication as to what my be the problem?

 

Regards

 

Christo Vorster (Worcester, South Africa)


Re: NVDA not starting with Windows: Curious or Interested Why?

Christo Vorster
 

Thanks Jacob. I wondered whether I was the only one experiencing it.

 

Regards

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: Friday, 18 March 2022 12:29
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA: CURIOUS OR INTERESTED WHY

 

Christo, every now and then, after updating NVDA to a new version, have found that needed to then turn off automatic starting, and then turn it on again, but, inconsistently.

 

Stay well


Jacob Kruger
+2782 413 4791
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2022-03-18 12:07 PM, Christo Vorster wrote:

Good day Group

 

I found, a few times in the passed three or four weeks that, after I turned on my computer, that NVDA does not start automatically, even though I always has it set to do so. Could anyone maybe give met an indication as to what my be the problem?

 

Regards

 

Christo Vorster (Worcester, South Africa)


Re: NVDA not starting with Windows: Curious or Interested Why?

Jacob Kruger
 

Christo, every now and then, after updating NVDA to a new version, have found that needed to then turn off automatic starting, and then turn it on again, but, inconsistently.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
+2782 413 4791
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2022-03-18 12:07 PM, Christo Vorster wrote:

Good day Group

 

I found, a few times in the passed three or four weeks that, after I turned on my computer, that NVDA does not start automatically, even though I always has it set to do so. Could anyone maybe give met an indication as to what my be the problem?

 

Regards

 

Christo Vorster (Worcester, South Africa)


NVDA not starting with Windows: Curious or Interested Why?

Christo Vorster
 

Good day Group

 

I found, a few times in the passed three or four weeks that, after I turned on my computer, that NVDA does not start automatically, even though I always has it set to do so. Could anyone maybe give met an indication as to what my be the problem?

 

Regards

 

Christo Vorster (Worcester, South Africa)


Re: Version 22.03/22.03.1 of Joseph Lee's add-ons: mandatory security updates #addonrelease

Gene
 

I haven't tried that method but this may be a bug where NVDA sometimes doesn't follow a link when you are on the first letter.  If you right arrow once, then press enter again, the link may work.  Off and on, I do that when I move to a link and it does nothing.

Gene

On 3/18/2022 3:53 AM, Eduardo Fermiano Luccas wrote:
when NVDA says the link, hit the arrow up and press the letter k and then press enter, this should work

Em sex., 18 de mar. de 2022 às 05:15, David Ingram <dingram269@...> escreveu:

Hi, Joseph, now that i have updated to the new version of nvda, where can i get the most recent ad-onupdate from github?  I tried to press enter on the link that was provided in another persons message but nothing happened, is there some thing that i need to do in order to download the most recent ad-onupdater.  Thank you for any information that you might have concerning this question.

-----Original Message-----
From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Mar 17, 2022 11:17 PM
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Version 22.03/22.03.1 of Joseph Lee's add-ons: mandatory security updates #addonrelease

 

Hi,

If you plan to test NVDA 2022.1 beta, then go ahead and install Add-on Updater 22.03.1 manually. I expect everyone will be offered the new release soon (for people who told NVDA to check for add-on updates automatically).

Cheers,

Joseph

 



Re: NVDA and Go to Meeting

Sylvie Duchateau
 

Hello,
There have been other discussions on this list regarding GoToMeeting with NVDA.
You can, for example look at this one:
https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/topic/84202892#86209
It is easier to use GoToMeeting in your Chrome Browser, for example.
Pranav published a blog post on this:
https://techesoterica.com/gotowebinar-and-screen-readers/
There was another discussion on this list about this :
Using GoToMeeting (conferencing tool) with NVDA : https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/topic/73306031#73102
To use GotoMeeting in a browser use:
https://app.gotomeeting.com/home.html
List of shortcuts: https://support.goto.com/meeting/help/use-keyboard-shortcuts-from-the-desktop-app-windows-only
Best
Sylvie

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De : nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> De la part de Betsy Grenevitch via groups.io
Envoyé : jeudi 17 mars 2022 18:59
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : [nvda] NVDA and Go to Meeting

I rarely use go to Meeting but now am having to use it on at least a monthly basis. Is there a way to get NVDA to work with it so you can find the buttons such as mute and unmute? My daughter says they are all graphics. Thanks.

--
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Re: Version 22.03/22.03.1 of Joseph Lee's add-ons: mandatory security updates #addonrelease

Eduardo Fermiano Luccas
 

when NVDA says the link, hit the arrow up and press the letter k and then press enter, this should work

Em sex., 18 de mar. de 2022 às 05:15, David Ingram <dingram269@...> escreveu:

Hi, Joseph, now that i have updated to the new version of nvda, where can i get the most recent ad-onupdate from github?  I tried to press enter on the link that was provided in another persons message but nothing happened, is there some thing that i need to do in order to download the most recent ad-onupdater.  Thank you for any information that you might have concerning this question.

-----Original Message-----
From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Mar 17, 2022 11:17 PM
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Version 22.03/22.03.1 of Joseph Lee's add-ons: mandatory security updates #addonrelease

 

Hi,

If you plan to test NVDA 2022.1 beta, then go ahead and install Add-on Updater 22.03.1 manually. I expect everyone will be offered the new release soon (for people who told NVDA to check for add-on updates automatically).

Cheers,

Joseph

 


Important note about translations in NVDA 2021.3.4

Quentin Christensen
 

An important note for those using languages other than English. The "What's New" text for NVDA 2021.3.4 is currently only available in English. You can find it on the release announcement: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2021-3-4/. When opened from the help menu using other languages, only changes up to 2021.3 are shown.

All of the changes and fixes ARE still there, and no other changes affected translations.  Please do use NVDA 2021.3.4 in your chosen language.  The translations will catch up shortly when we move into the beta period for NVDA 2022.1.

Could I please ask those in non-English groups with NVDA users to please pass this on?

If anyone is unsure or has any questions, please don't hesitate to contact us - info@...

Thanks for your patience!

Quentin.
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Re: Version 22.03/22.03.1 of Joseph Lee's add-ons: mandatory security updates #addonrelease

David Ingram
 

Hi, Joseph, now that i have updated to the new version of nvda, where can i get the most recent ad-onupdate from github?  I tried to press enter on the link that was provided in another persons message but nothing happened, is there some thing that i need to do in order to download the most recent ad-onupdater.  Thank you for any information that you might have concerning this question.

-----Original Message-----
From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Mar 17, 2022 11:17 PM
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Version 22.03/22.03.1 of Joseph Lee's add-ons: mandatory security updates #addonrelease

 

Hi,

If you plan to test NVDA 2022.1 beta, then go ahead and install Add-on Updater 22.03.1 manually. I expect everyone will be offered the new release soon (for people who told NVDA to check for add-on updates automatically).

Cheers,

Joseph

 


Re: Version 22.03/22.03.1 of Joseph Lee's add-ons: mandatory security updates #addonrelease

David Ingram
 

Hi, i'd like to know where can i get the latest ad-onupdater from as it relates to Joseph lees ad-ons from Github?  When that link was posted in another persons message, i was unable to just press enter on the link to start the download.  Is there something that i need to do first?  Thank you for any information that you might have concerning this question.

-----Original Message-----
From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Mar 17, 2022 10:23 PM
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Version 22.03/22.03.1 of Joseph Lee's add-ons: mandatory security updates #addonrelease

 

Hi Joseph,

I have NVDA v. 2021.3.4 and do not plan to use the new beta version. Do I need to install the add on updater or windows app essentials versions that you’ve been telling us about in this thread?

 

Thanks,

LM

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2022 5:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Version 22.03/22.03.1 of Joseph Lee's add-ons: mandatory security updates #addonrelease

 

Hi all,

Update 1: Add-on Updater 22.03.1 is now available. This is a mandatory (manual for now) update for anyone wishing to test NVDA 2022.1 beta 1 (INSTALL Add-on Updater 22.03.1 BEFORE INSTALLING NVDA 2022.1 beta 1!): https://github.com/josephsl/addonUpdater/releases/download/22.03/addonUpdater-22.03.1.nvda-addon

After installing this release:

  1. DO NOT DOWNGRADE TO 22.03 or earlier!
  2. Hold off on installing other add-on updates (manually or automatically) until I give the green light to do so.

There will be two more updates:

  1. An announcement that you can now upgrade rest of my add-ons.
  2. A virtual goodbye ceremony for five of my add-ons as I am officially ending maintenance for them as of this very moment.

Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 


Re: Can't Upgrade While Using RDP

Jacob Kruger
 

Christopher, when I use the disconnect sub-menu item under windows 10's power user menu - windows key + X, it never has any issues with disconnecting connection - only real issue have had as such is need to make sure remember to turn off any audio-ducking modes on client machine, before connect to remote machine, or else it might, at times, come across a bit soft?


And, this is all under windows 10 x64, on both ends of connection.


Jacob Kruger
+2782 413 4791
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2022-03-18 01:14 AM, Christopher Duffley wrote:
If you're referring to Microsoft Remote Desktop, yes, about 99% of it or so is very accessible with NVDA! The best way to disconnect a machine that's on an NVDARemote connection, however, is to use a Disconnect RDP.bat file that I can send a link to for the Machine being controlled. This is because if you don't use this file disconnect almost every other way, the NVDARemote connection will freeze in terms of sending commands to the machine.

Christopher Duffley
Host of Mission Possible Podcast: http://www.missionpossiblepodcast.com
Cell: +1 (603) 851-6971

12 Pro Max

On Mar 17, 2022, at 19:03, Luke Davis <luke@...> wrote:

Russell James wrote:

I used to be able to upgrade NVDA while using RDP.

Perhaps I am behind the times, but my understanding was that RDP was not accessible--That it was, in fact, entirely graphical.
Have I missed an important change?

If not, and it is still entirely inaccessible, how did you used to do this?

Luke






Re: Can't Upgrade While Using RDP

Jacob Kruger
 

I use RDP on a relatively regular basis, but, can't remember last time I specifically tried to do an NVDA upgrade while it was being made use of.


But, partly since have narrator set to auto-start in all environments as well, just in case, can't see where this would be a problem if was specifically using Microsoft RDP, and, not NVDA remote?


Jacob Kruger
+2782 413 4791
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2022-03-18 01:04 AM, Christopher Duffley wrote:
If you're using the NVDARemote add-on, that will be your best bet. That's how I did it on my dedicated server out of St. Louis with Server4You. That's the only way, besides RDP, that I can control my machine.

Christopher Duffley
Host of Mission Possible Podcast: http://www.missionpossiblepodcast.com
Cell: +1 (603) 851-6971

12 Pro Max

On Mar 17, 2022, at 18:51, Russell James <4rjames@...> wrote:


Greetings,

The memories are fading it has been so long...
I used to be able to upgrade NVDA while using RDP.

However, with the 2021.3.4 upgrade this is not possible.

Russ


Re: Task Bar - Running Applications - After upgrade 2021.3.4

Quentin Christensen
 

David,

NVDA 2021.3.4 is the latest version of NVDA, it only came out yesterday.  The problem is many synthesizers, and OneCore does it now too, try to interpret it as a date.  It is supposed to be read as "Twenty-Twenty One point three, point four" - it is the fourth minor point release of the third major version of 2021.

We might have to look at doing something different with the version numbering.  And yes, now we've got that patch release out the way, we're about to release 2022.1 Beta 1, so keep an eye out for that in the next few days.

Quentin.

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 4:48 PM David Ingram <dingram269@...> wrote:
Why are you sending an old update for an older version of nvda?  I’m not sure what this is  all about.  Thank you.

On Mar 17, 2022, at 11:05 PM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

Please restart the PC.  Nothing in NVDA 2021.3.4 should change anything other than the security issue noted.  We have encountered with updates, that often things can behave a little odd after updating and before restarting the PC, so please try that and let us know how it works.
Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 3:58 AM Russell James <4rjames@...> wrote:
Greetings,

I think this happened after the previous update as well...

When I upgraded to 2021.3.4 my running applications in the task bar go silent using mouse over the icons.
The icons to the left are spoken but all I get when using the mouse over the running application icons is a generic "running applications" response.

When I restart the problem is resolved.

Russ




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Re: Version 22.03/22.03.1 of Joseph Lee's add-ons: mandatory security updates #addonrelease

Luke Davis
 

David Ingram wrote:

I have a question for Joseph lee concerning the ad-on updater.  I’m trying to install the ad-on updater but i’m not sure why i can not install it.  I do
have the most recent version of nvda, and I’m using firefox as the browser if that makes any difference.  Usually i don’t have a problem with using the
ad-on updater but this time, i’m having that problem even after your giving the link to gethub.  I’m not sure why I’m having this problem.  Thank you for
What is happening when you try to install it? Please describe your installation process, and how/at what point, it fails.

Side note: it's github, not gethub.

Luke

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