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M addons will not work in beta 2022.1! a lot of error tones!st

David Moore
 

Hello! I installed the latest add-on updater, and installed NVDA beta 2202.1! The only two add ons that work, are:
Add on updater, and Windows app assentails. Even the IBM TTS that I used, is not even in my add on list! Will this be the case, until later add ons come out? Take care, all!
David Moore


Re: A Newbie with an NVDA Remote and Update Problems

Chrissie
 

Thanks very much. I'll give that a try in the morning. It's getting a bit
late round here.

Chrissie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tyler
Spivey via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 11:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A Newbie with an NVDA Remote and Update Problems

Try deleting your remote.ini file to fix NVDA Remote. To do this:

1. Press windows+r.
2. Paste in: %appdata%\nvda
3. Press enter. Your NVDA configuration directory should appear.
4. Find remote.ini and delete it. If you don't have file extensions on it
might just show up as remote.


On 3/20/2022 3:52 PM, Chrissie wrote:
Hi Folks.

I'm a newby round here but have a serious NVDA problem.

I am running the latest build of NVDA under Windows 10 64 bit.

All runs well in that it does what it says on the can so to speak, but I
first noticed I was unable to access remote. I could get to the connect
button and when pressed I am thrown out of the menu system entirely.

I then noticed that I'm not able to access updates, either with the
updater
nor updating NVDA itself.

I tried completely uninstalling NVDA and re-installing it, but exactly the
same result.

I must admit I'm at a bit of a loss what to do now. Help would be
appreciated.
Thanks for any help with this.

Chrissie Cochrane
Executive Director
The Global Voice
Radio for All
http://theglobalvoice.info
Kindness is a powerful force: use it generously! especially on yourself.






Re: A Newbie with an NVDA Remote and Update Problems

Jackie
 

O, no, I'm sorry--I just meant I'd like to see which version of NVDA
you're running, Chrissie, cuz we've had issues where certs aren't
valid & NVDA couldn't update, & it messed w/remote also.

What's wrong w/yall--failed telepathy 101 like me? :(

On 3/20/22, Chrissie <chrissie@...> wrote:
That's interesting that I'm not the only one.

Chrissie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jackie
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 11:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A Newbie with an NVDA Remote and Update Problems

Me, too.

On 3/20/22, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 06:55 PM, Chrissie wrote:


All runs well in that it does what it says on the can so to speak,
but I first noticed I was unable to access remote. I could get to the
connect button and when pressed I am thrown out of the menu system
entirely.

-
There have been issues recently with the default NVDA remote server
and the nvdaremote.com website.  The latter is back up again, but I
have no idea about the server.
The site, https://www.nvra.io/ , gives a long list of alternative NVDA
Remote servers, and I would suggest trying one of those to see if it
makes any difference.  It's best to choose the one that's the closest
to your own location and that of the machine you're trying to access
remotely, though depending on how far apart those are you may end up
flipping a coin.

I can't speak to your update issues.  You say you are using the latest
build of NVDA, but I would still like you to visit the NVDA about
dialog (NVDA + N, H, A) and report back on the version that's listed in
it.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

Constantly insisting on “my rights” with no consideration of “my
responsibilities” isn’t “freedom” — it’s adolescence.
~ Commenter, *Evangelos* , in comments for America 2022: Where
Everyone Has Rights and No One Has Responsibilities (
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/08/opinion/spotify-joe-rogan-covid-fre
e-speech.html
) ,
New York Times , February 8, 2022






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Re: A Newbie with an NVDA Remote and Update Problems

Chrissie
 

That's interesting that I'm not the only one.

Chrissie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jackie
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 11:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A Newbie with an NVDA Remote and Update Problems

Me, too.

On 3/20/22, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 06:55 PM, Chrissie wrote:


All runs well in that it does what it says on the can so to speak,
but I first noticed I was unable to access remote. I could get to the
connect button and when pressed I am thrown out of the menu system
entirely.

-
There have been issues recently with the default NVDA remote server
and the nvdaremote.com website.  The latter is back up again, but I
have no idea about the server.
The site, https://www.nvra.io/ , gives a long list of alternative NVDA
Remote servers, and I would suggest trying one of those to see if it
makes any difference.  It's best to choose the one that's the closest
to your own location and that of the machine you're trying to access
remotely, though depending on how far apart those are you may end up
flipping a coin.

I can't speak to your update issues.  You say you are using the latest
build of NVDA, but I would still like you to visit the NVDA about
dialog (NVDA + N, H, A) and report back on the version that's listed in
it.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

Constantly insisting on “my rights” with no consideration of “my
responsibilities” isn’t “freedom” — it’s adolescence.
~ Commenter, *Evangelos* , in comments for America 2022: Where
Everyone Has Rights and No One Has Responsibilities (
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/08/opinion/spotify-joe-rogan-covid-fre
e-speech.html
) ,
New York Times , February 8, 2022






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Re: A Newbie with an NVDA Remote and Update Problems

Tyler Spivey
 

Try deleting your remote.ini file to fix NVDA Remote. To do this:

1. Press windows+r.
2. Paste in: %appdata%\nvda
3. Press enter. Your NVDA configuration directory should appear.
4. Find remote.ini and delete it. If you don't have file extensions on it might just show up as remote.

On 3/20/2022 3:52 PM, Chrissie wrote:
Hi Folks.
I'm a newby round here but have a serious NVDA problem.
I am running the latest build of NVDA under Windows 10 64 bit.
All runs well in that it does what it says on the can so to speak, but I
first noticed I was unable to access remote. I could get to the connect
button and when pressed I am thrown out of the menu system entirely.
I then noticed that I'm not able to access updates, either with the updater
nor updating NVDA itself.
I tried completely uninstalling NVDA and re-installing it, but exactly the
same result.
I must admit I'm at a bit of a loss what to do now. Help would be
appreciated.
Thanks for any help with this.
Chrissie Cochrane
Executive Director
The Global Voice
Radio for All
http://theglobalvoice.info
Kindness is a powerful force: use it generously! especially on yourself.


Re: A Newbie with an NVDA Remote and Update Problems

 

On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 07:08 PM, Jackie wrote:
Me, too.
-
For which issue?  There were two, and completely different ones, discussed.  If it's both, that would be helpful to know, and I'd suggest your doing the same things I've already suggested to see if changing the NVDA Remote server that's the go-between fixes that problem.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Constantly insisting on “my rights” with no consideration of “my responsibilities” isn’t “freedom” — it’s adolescence.
     ~ Commenter, Evangelos, in comments for
         America 2022: Where Everyone Has Rights and No One Has Responsibilities,
        New York Times, February 8, 2022

 


Re: A Newbie with an NVDA Remote and Update Problems

Jackie
 

Me, too.

On 3/20/22, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 06:55 PM, Chrissie wrote:


All runs well in that it does what it says on the can so to speak, but I
first noticed I was unable to access remote. I could get to the connect
button and when pressed I am thrown out of the menu system entirely.
-
There have been issues recently with the default NVDA remote server and the
nvdaremote.com website.  The latter is back up again, but I have no idea
about the server.
The site, https://www.nvra.io/ , gives a long list of alternative NVDA
Remote servers, and I would suggest trying one of those to see if it makes
any difference.  It's best to choose the one that's the closest to your own
location and that of the machine you're trying to access remotely, though
depending on how far apart those are you may end up flipping a coin.

I can't speak to your update issues.  You say you are using the latest build
of NVDA, but I would still like you to visit the NVDA about dialog (NVDA +
N, H, A) and report back on the version that's listed in it.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

Constantly insisting on “my rights” with no consideration of “my
responsibilities” isn’t “freedom” — it’s adolescence.
~ Commenter, *Evangelos* , in comments for
America 2022: Where Everyone Has Rights and No One Has Responsibilities (
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/08/opinion/spotify-joe-rogan-covid-free-speech.html
) ,
New York Times , February 8, 2022





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Re: A Newbie with an NVDA Remote and Update Problems

 

On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 06:55 PM, Chrissie wrote:
All runs well in that it does what it says on the can so to speak, but I first noticed I was unable to access remote. I could get to the connect
button and when pressed I am thrown out of the menu system entirely.
-
There have been issues recently with the default NVDA remote server and the nvdaremote.com website.  The latter is back up again, but I have no idea about the server.
The site, https://www.nvra.io/, gives a long list of alternative NVDA Remote servers, and I would suggest trying one of those to see if it makes any difference.  It's best to choose the one that's the closest to your own location and that of the machine you're trying to access remotely, though depending on how far apart those are you may end up flipping a coin.
 
I can't speak to your update issues.  You say you are using the latest build of NVDA, but I would still like you to visit the NVDA about dialog (NVDA + N, H, A) and report back on the version that's listed in it.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Constantly insisting on “my rights” with no consideration of “my responsibilities” isn’t “freedom” — it’s adolescence.
     ~ Commenter, Evangelos, in comments for
         America 2022: Where Everyone Has Rights and No One Has Responsibilities,
        New York Times, February 8, 2022

 


A Newbie with an NVDA Remote and Update Problems

Chrissie
 

Hi Folks.

I'm a newby round here but have a serious NVDA problem.

I am running the latest build of NVDA under Windows 10 64 bit.

All runs well in that it does what it says on the can so to speak, but I
first noticed I was unable to access remote. I could get to the connect
button and when pressed I am thrown out of the menu system entirely.

I then noticed that I'm not able to access updates, either with the updater
nor updating NVDA itself.

I tried completely uninstalling NVDA and re-installing it, but exactly the
same result.

I must admit I'm at a bit of a loss what to do now. Help would be
appreciated.
Thanks for any help with this.

Chrissie Cochrane
Executive Director
The Global Voice
Radio for All
http://theglobalvoice.info
Kindness is a powerful force: use it generously! especially on yourself.


Re: Setting up the Humanware NLS EReader via Bluetooth for use with NVDA - Assistance please?

 

I am going to bend the group rules a bit and discuss Bluetooth connectivity because it's pertinent to several situations at hand and because it's clear that there are misunderstandings of the two kinds of Bluetooth connections and that for any Bluetooth connection one side must be in discovery mode (advertising its existence, much like a WiFi network broadcasts a network name [SSID]) while the other is looking for something that is in discovery mode.

First, and most simply, Bluetooth is a wireless communication protocol that's only meant to cover short distances.  You can have a direct device-to-device Bluetooth connection (very common for things like Bluetooth headsets) or you can have Bluetooth acting very much like a wired connection, in that the various devices connect to a central go-between, typically a computer, and it manages the actual workings of communicating with each device - they do not talk to one another directly.

I would have to imagine that any Braille display or similar would be using a "to computer" connection and it's the operating system that's communicating with it, via Bluetooth, just like it would if you had a wired connection.

NVDA itself, at least from my understanding, does not "talk directly" to Braille displays, but communicates to them via Windows, much like say, Microsoft Word doesn't communicate with your printer, it hands off what is to be printed to Windows and Windows then hands it off to the printer.

In the case of a peripheral, which a Braille Display would be, I have to believe that you would need to put that device itself into discovery mode, then, under Windows 10, open Settings, Devices, Bluetooth and other devices pane, then make sure that Bluetooth is turned on and if it is, activate the Add Bluetooth or other device button.  That causes Windows to search out all Bluetooth devices that are in discovery mode and to list them for adding.

You then pick the device you want to add and, possibly, need to enter a PIN to complete the connection.  If a Bluetooth PIN is used it is most often either 0000 or 1234, but the device manufacturer for the device that's in discovery mode, and that you're trying to connect with, may specify something else.

Once the connection is made, Windows should do pretty much what it does if you connect something by wire, but for Bluetooth, and hunt for and install the Bluetooth drivers for the connected device.  If the device manufacturer has shared these drivers with Microsoft, they'll be part of The Great Microsoft Driver Library in the Cloud and just install.  If they have not, then you will have to install these device drivers from media that should be downloadable from the device manufacturer.  The older the device, and particularly if it is from the pre-Windows-10 era, the more likely it is that there will not be a driver for it in the cloud-based driver library.  There may not even be a driver stated to be compatible for Windows 10 for it.  If that's the case, pick the one for the Windows version that's nearest to Windows 10, which will generally be either Windows 8.1 or Windows 7.  Sometimes those drivers work just fine, sometimes they don't.

According to the third-party quotation of the changelog for NVDA 2021.3.X, "NVDA will auto detect the NLS eReader Humanware braille display via Bluetooth as its Bluetooth name is now "NLS eReader Humanware". (#11561)"   This was a bug fix, so you need to make sure you are actually using NVDA 2021.3.4 since that's the most recent release.
--

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Constantly insisting on “my rights” with no consideration of “my responsibilities” isn’t “freedom” — it’s adolescence.
     ~ Commenter, Evangelos, in comments for
         America 2022: Where Everyone Has Rights and No One Has Responsibilities,
        New York Times, February 8, 2022

 


Zoomax E-reader

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

Changing the subject to better reflect, as with all due respect, I don't want this getting lost in the same thread with my question about the Humanware EReader, since they are two completely different devices altogether.


I've never heard of this device, so not sure how NVDA would work with it. What happens in Windows if you go to the start screen, and in the search box, type, "Bluetooth", then go to add a bluetooth device? Does it then show up provided that you're in bluetooth paring mode, or whatever they'd call it on that EReader?


That's the issue right now that I'm having with the Humanware device. I don't see my EReader at all when I try to connect it with Windows 10. I see all other bluetooth devices within range, but just not the EReader. It works fine on iOS, but that's OT for here, so I'll end that discussion regarding that aspect here. It almost leads me to wonder if the Humanware EReader isn't compatible at this time with Windows 10 via a bluetooth connection, but only works over USB. That would really stink if that's the case, but I'm starting to fear that it may be my entire problem right there. I can call the NLS tomorrow, if no one here knows, but just figured that I'd ask.


Chris.

On 3/20/2022 1:41 PM, Clarissa Mitchell wrote:
Hi. I have the Zoomax E-reader, and I tried to explore this. The User
Guide says it should be able to work as a display with NVDA, and it
tells you how to connect to a Mac via Bluetooth, as well as iOS and
Android devices. There's a section on connecting to a computer via
USB, but I didn't find anywhere that told how to connect to a Windows
PC via Bluetooth, or how to use it with NVDA. When I went into
Settings on the device, then Bluetooth mode, all that showed up on the
display was BT and nothing else. I couldn't find any way to choose any
Bluetooth devices, and I was not notified that it was searching for
any devices. And I couldn't get out of it except by turning off the
E-reader. No keypresses were acknowledged.

Now I'm curious. Has anyone else been successful at connecting one of
these E-readers to NVDA via Bluetooth?



On 3/20/22, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote:
Hey everyone. I sure hope everyone is having a lovely day out there!

I have a question regarding NVDA version 2021.3.4 in combination with a
bluetooth braille display; I'm not the most familiar with this, as I
have always connected in the past over USB.

I'm using the Humanware NLS EReader device as my display, and my
ultimate goal is to connect it via bluetooth to my Windows 10 machine.

Can someone possibly give me the steps both in NVDA as well as in the
EReader to get this display connected up wirelessly over bluetooth so I
may use it in conjunction with NVDA?

Your help is very graciously appreciated.

Thanks, and god bless.

Chris.








Re: Clipspeak add-on for NVDA

Gene
 

The fake add-on doesn't tell you if copying or pasting took place. It announces something when you issue the commands but but not because it knows if the operation was successful.

Gene

On 3/20/2022 10:36 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
There are various add-ons to do that...

Clipspeak, fakeClipboard, NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin, clipContentsDesigner and maybe others...


Rui Fontes


Às 07:18 de 20/03/2022, Lenron escreveu:
cut copy and paste speak would be nice to have, but at this point I
have just gotten use to the fact that when I am using NVDA it just
won't be there and I just need to double check sometimes to make sure
I got what I wanted.

On 3/18/22, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:
Hello!


As I said, except if specified in the add-on code, any add-on works in
Windows 7, 8, 10 or 11...

So, the add-on I am modifying, works in all flavours of Windows
supported by NVDA version in use.


Best regards,

Rui Fontes
NVDA portuguese team



Às 18:46 de 18/03/2022, Dave Grossoehme escreveu:
Good Afternoon:  Is this running in Windows 10 or in Windows 10 and 11?

Dave


On 3/17/2022 9:10 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Hello!


First, a gentle request...

Do not use idiomatic expressions, since many readers have not english
as his primary language...


Regarding the copy/paste announcement, Jaws and System Access have it...

Regarding key commands, Narrator have a nice implementation...


Rui Fontes


Às 23:05 de 16/03/2022, Brian Vogel escreveu:
On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 06:59 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:

     Many people, as myself, have quit asking this feature because NV
     Access is tottally against it...

-
I am not naïve, and I understand where you're coming from, but you
and others like you do need to consider that "the squeaky wheel gets
the grease" may apply in situations like this.

I can't say that you have done this, but many "quit squeaking" far,
far, far to early on.

For virtually any software, a large and long enough outcry from the
user community has a tendency to effect change.

All of the above having been said, I also understand that, after a
certain point, the desire to keep on fighting just dies out.

It's funny, but as someone who is sighted, and who has worked with
screen reader users for some time, I never even think about having
cut/copy/paste speak what's being cut, copied, or pasted, as that
should have been a part of the selection process.  Mind you,
confirmation that a cut/copy/paste command has been issued is handy,
and at the moment I can't remember which screen reader(s) do this
confirmation announcement by default.
--

Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

/Constantly insisting on “my rights” with no consideration of “my
responsibilities” isn’t “freedom” — it’s adolescence.
/     ~ Commenter, *Evangelos*, in comments for
/America 2022: Where Everyone Has Rights and No One Has
Responsibilities
<https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/08/opinion/spotify-joe-rogan-covid-free-speech.html>/,
/        New York Times/, February 8, 2022






Re: Clipspeak add-on for NVDA

Gene
 

The att-on has so many features that I've wondered if it changes behaviors by default or behaviors people might not want changed. I've read that some of the bahavior changes are on by default.

Gene

On 3/20/2022 5:36 AM, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:
Why aren't you using this addon "NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin-9.8.1.nvda-addon"? It has all the clip speak features.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenron" <lenron93@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 1:18 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Clipspeak add-on for NVDA


cut copy and paste speak would be nice to have, but at this point I
have just gotten use to the fact that when I am using NVDA it just
won't be there and I just need to double check sometimes to make sure
I got what I wanted.

On 3/18/22, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:
Hello!


As I said, except if specified in the add-on code, any add-on works in
Windows 7, 8, 10 or 11...

So, the add-on I am modifying, works in all flavours of Windows
supported by NVDA version in use.


Best regards,

Rui Fontes
NVDA portuguese team



Às 18:46 de 18/03/2022, Dave Grossoehme escreveu:

Good Afternoon: Is this running in Windows 10 or in Windows 10 and 11?

Dave


On 3/17/2022 9:10 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:

Hello!


First, a gentle request...

Do not use idiomatic expressions, since many readers have not english
as his primary language...


Regarding the copy/paste announcement, Jaws and System Access have it...

Regarding key commands, Narrator have a nice implementation...


Rui Fontes


Às 23:05 de 16/03/2022, Brian Vogel escreveu:
On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 06:59 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:

    Many people, as myself, have quit asking this feature because NV
    Access is tottally against it...

-
I am not naïve, and I understand where you're coming from, but you
and others like you do need to consider that "the squeaky wheel gets
the grease" may apply in situations like this.

I can't say that you have done this, but many "quit squeaking" far,
far, far to early on.

For virtually any software, a large and long enough outcry from the
user community has a tendency to effect change.

All of the above having been said, I also understand that, after a
certain point, the desire to keep on fighting just dies out.

It's funny, but as someone who is sighted, and who has worked with
screen reader users for some time, I never even think about having
cut/copy/paste speak what's being cut, copied, or pasted, as that
should have been a part of the selection process. Mind you,
confirmation that a cut/copy/paste command has been issued is handy,
and at the moment I can't remember which screen reader(s) do this
confirmation announcement by default.
--

Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

/Constantly insisting on “my rights” with no consideration of “my
responsibilities” isn’t “freedom” — it’s adolescence.
/ ~ Commenter, *Evangelos*, in comments for
/America 2022: Where Everyone Has Rights and No One Has
Responsibilities
<https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/08/opinion/spotify-joe-rogan-covid-free-speech.html>/,
/ New York Times/, February 8, 2022





Re: Setting up the Humanware NLS EReader via Bluetooth for use with NVDA - Assistance please?

Clarissa Mitchell
 

Hi. I have the Zoomax E-reader, and I tried to explore this. The User
Guide says it should be able to work as a display with NVDA, and it
tells you how to connect to a Mac via Bluetooth, as well as iOS and
Android devices. There's a section on connecting to a computer via
USB, but I didn't find anywhere that told how to connect to a Windows
PC via Bluetooth, or how to use it with NVDA. When I went into
Settings on the device, then Bluetooth mode, all that showed up on the
display was BT and nothing else. I couldn't find any way to choose any
Bluetooth devices, and I was not notified that it was searching for
any devices. And I couldn't get out of it except by turning off the
E-reader. No keypresses were acknowledged.

Now I'm curious. Has anyone else been successful at connecting one of
these E-readers to NVDA via Bluetooth?

On 3/20/22, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote:
Hey everyone. I sure hope everyone is having a lovely day out there!

I have a question regarding NVDA version 2021.3.4 in combination with a
bluetooth braille display; I'm not the most familiar with this, as I
have always connected in the past over USB.

I'm using the Humanware NLS EReader device as my display, and my
ultimate goal is to connect it via bluetooth to my Windows 10 machine.

Can someone possibly give me the steps both in NVDA as well as in the
EReader to get this display connected up wirelessly over bluetooth so I
may use it in conjunction with NVDA?

Your help is very graciously appreciated.

Thanks, and god bless.

Chris.







locked Re: small favor

 

On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 01:07 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
No, that's why I asked for people to contact me offlist.
-
For which I thank you, immensely.  This topic will be locked after this message just to prevent it from continuing on-group.

That being said, you really should consider joining the Chat Subgroup and asking there.  Most of the traffic, which is light to begin with, from the Chat Subgroup is about the specifics of other programs where NVDA itself is incidental.

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        New York Times, February 8, 2022

 


Setting up the Humanware NLS EReader via Bluetooth for use with NVDA - Assistance please?

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

Hey everyone. I sure hope everyone is having a lovely day out there!

I have a question regarding NVDA version 2021.3.4 in combination with a bluetooth braille display; I'm not the most familiar with this, as I have always connected in the past over USB.

I'm using the Humanware NLS EReader device as my display, and my ultimate goal is to connect it via bluetooth to my Windows 10 machine.

Can someone possibly give me the steps both in NVDA as well as in the EReader to get this display connected up wirelessly over bluetooth so I may use it in conjunction with NVDA?

Your help is very graciously appreciated.

Thanks, and god bless.

Chris.


locked Re: small favor

Bob Cavanaugh
 

No, that's why I asked for people to contact me offlist. It has to do
with creating playlists in a program I've referenced on this list
before, Zara Radio.

On 3/20/22, Russell James <4rjames@...> wrote:
If you could share a little more information about your project you might
get better responses

Is your project specific to nvda?

Russ

On Sun, Mar 20, 2022, 12:22 AM Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...> wrote:

Hi all,
Could a developer contact me offlist please? I have a small project
I'd like to get done, but have no idea how to go about it myself.
Bob










Re: Queued updates

 

Hi,

I'm approaching this question from both software engineering and human communication perspectives (I must confess, if I was to answer this question say, five years ago, I would not have given much thought into the communication aspect of pull requests):

Pull requests are communicative in nature. That is, they involve communication between the host project, project members, pull request authors, users, and passersby/observers/other projects and other external stakeholders. We often think of pull requests as someone posting new features, changes, and bug fixes in the form of code changes. But when we think about the fact that pull requests involve communication, it changes the picture as it introduces concepts such as culture, persuasion, group dynamics, reputation, and ethics.

When searching Google for terms such as "pull requests", "pull request best practices" or similar terms, some of the top results will advise readers to use collaborative approach to pull requests. At least that's a good starting point, but what's often not mentioned is understanding the project culture. In other words, it isn't advisable to submit a pull request that fixes a security issue without first understanding how an open-source project that you are submitting a pull request to operates.

For example, suppose you come across a feature request that you can implement on the spot (as in it will take you hours to implement and test changes since you know what to change in project source code), and this is your first ever contribution to this particular project. After posting your pull request, project members, users, and outside stakeholders will view your changes and provide feedback. If the project itself is known to be friendly toward newcomers (as in feedback is constructivc and members show empathy and genuine concern), then you may feel welcomed to submit changes in the future. On the other hand, if the porject is known to be skeptical of newcomers, then you may need to change your strategy a bit by trying to immerse yourself more into the project culture and build trust before submitting future changes. In the worst case, if the project is okay but its members are not, then you might think about showcasing your talent somewhere else.

The above example highlights an important aspect of pull requests: the success of a pull request depends not merely on code quality, but also on the attitude of project members and the project culture as a whole. Both attitude and culture matter because:

  1. Attitude: software projects are organized by humans from diverse backgrounds, attitudes, and skills. Take NVDA, for example - although the stewards of NVDA screen reader project is NV Access, when you look at Git commit log and contributors list, far more contributions were made by third parties. As humans, developers have differing skill sets, attitudes, and background - some might be kind toward other contributors, while others might not (no, I don't want to single out anyone here). To some degree, member attitude is reflected in pull request feedback, and that can have an impact on how pull request authors feel about the project.
  2. Project culture: as software projects grow, they will create and specify values, norms, and rules for its members, including current and would-be pull request authors. These can include coding standards, ideas about rigor, pull request policies, among others. Therefore, it is normal for pull requests by newcomers to be scrutinized more or not acted upon on a timely manner partly because of the tendency for members to look at changes from in-group members unless the newcomer somehow finds a way to persuade project leaders about the importance of their work (this is why I advise newcomers to build trust and credibility with project members before submitting pull requests).

While I view that member attitude is important, I tend to view culture as a more important factor. Software projects are subcultures under the general culture of software development, and members of the latter culture set expectations about contributions, rigor, code quality, and related concepts. From the viewpoint of someone submitting and reviewing pull requests, it can be stated like this:

  1. Viewpoint of the submitter: you are effectively immersing yourself in a culture that might be different than your own. I'm not talking just about cultures arising from languages, nationalities, class, and other identity markers. Software projects are cultures of their own, and your idea of software rigor and code quality may not be the same as a project's idea of rigor and quality. For this reason, it is important to take time to understand how a project operates before suddenly telling people that you have code changes to be included in the main branch of a given software (tasks such as reading Git log, communicating with users and developers, and reviewing contributino documents can help you understand what is going on).
  2. Viewpoint of a reviewer and project member: you are effectively an ambassador of the project culture you are a part of. As an in-group member, you know how the project operates and understands project expectations. Therefore, when meeting new pull request writers, it is your responsibility to help them get acquainted with norms, values, and rules of the project in a way that is acceptable to newcomers.

Does this mean NVDA is a good software project to send pull requests to? Depends. While NV Access and third-party contributors have set standards such as pull request templates (or rather, NV Access has learned a thing or two from other projects), there could be improvements. This prompts a follow-up question: am I a good and reputable member of NVDA project culture? I'll let you decide (despite Greek philosopher Socrates telling humanity to know yourself, I still have to discover other things about myself).

You might be wondering, why didn't I answer anything about collaboration tools. Tools such as linters and collaborative IDE's (integrated development environments) are important, but I wanted to emphasize and get people to think critically about my opening statement: pull requests are communicative in nature. I know that I took you on a long road to arrive at this point, but when you think about it carefully, you will realize that the best collaborative tool is understanding where others are coming from.

I don't expect all new pull request writers to read my "chapter" above from cover to cover. But one key takeaway is this: treat developers as fellow humans first before telling them about your next code change idea. In other words, understand that people come from different backgrounds. It is not code changes that unites a software project, but having the ability and willingness to accept and build trust with others.

Hope this answers and clarifies hundreds of questions.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Clipspeak add-on for NVDA

Rui Fontes
 

There are various add-ons to do that...

Clipspeak, fakeClipboard, NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin, clipContentsDesigner and maybe others...


Rui Fontes


Às 07:18 de 20/03/2022, Lenron escreveu:

cut copy and paste speak would be nice to have, but at this point I
have just gotten use to the fact that when I am using NVDA it just
won't be there and I just need to double check sometimes to make sure
I got what I wanted.

On 3/18/22, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:
Hello!


As I said, except if specified in the add-on code, any add-on works in
Windows 7, 8, 10 or 11...

So, the add-on I am modifying, works in all flavours of Windows
supported by NVDA version in use.


Best regards,

Rui Fontes
NVDA portuguese team



Às 18:46 de 18/03/2022, Dave Grossoehme escreveu:
Good Afternoon:  Is this running in Windows 10 or in Windows 10 and 11?

Dave


On 3/17/2022 9:10 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Hello!


First, a gentle request...

Do not use idiomatic expressions, since many readers have not english
as his primary language...


Regarding the copy/paste announcement, Jaws and System Access have it...

Regarding key commands, Narrator have a nice implementation...


Rui Fontes


Às 23:05 de 16/03/2022, Brian Vogel escreveu:
On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 06:59 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:

Many people, as myself, have quit asking this feature because NV
Access is tottally against it...

-
I am not naïve, and I understand where you're coming from, but you
and others like you do need to consider that "the squeaky wheel gets
the grease" may apply in situations like this.

I can't say that you have done this, but many "quit squeaking" far,
far, far to early on.

For virtually any software, a large and long enough outcry from the
user community has a tendency to effect change.

All of the above having been said, I also understand that, after a
certain point, the desire to keep on fighting just dies out.

It's funny, but as someone who is sighted, and who has worked with
screen reader users for some time, I never even think about having
cut/copy/paste speak what's being cut, copied, or pasted, as that
should have been a part of the selection process.  Mind you,
confirmation that a cut/copy/paste command has been issued is handy,
and at the moment I can't remember which screen reader(s) do this
confirmation announcement by default.
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Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

/Constantly insisting on “my rights” with no consideration of “my
responsibilities” isn’t “freedom” — it’s adolescence.
/     ~ Commenter, *Evangelos*, in comments for
/America 2022: Where Everyone Has Rights and No One Has
Responsibilities
<https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/08/opinion/spotify-joe-rogan-covid-free-speech.html>/,
/        New York Times/, February 8, 2022




locked Re: small favor

Russell James
 

If you could share a little more information about your project you might get better responses

Is your project specific to nvda?

Russ


On Sun, Mar 20, 2022, 12:22 AM Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...> wrote:
Hi all,
Could a developer contact me offlist please? I have a small project
I'd like to get done, but have no idea how to go about it myself.
Bob





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