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Re: secure mode

Luke Davis
 

Brian Vogel wrote:

What I have generally understood that phrase to mean is having NVDA running under Windows Secure mode, e.g., on login screens, when UAC dialogs come up,
True. However, more basically, it means running NVDA with the -s or --secure flag, which you can do from anywhere.

Why you would do that as a normal user, I don't know, unless it is imposed by some paranoid system administrator.

From the manual:

Secure mode: disables Python console, profile features such as creation, deletion, renaming profiles etc., update check, some checkboxes in the welcome dialog and in general settings category (e.g. Use NVDA during sign-in, save configuration after exit etc.), as well as logviewer and logging features (used often in secure screens). Note also that this command will disable the possibility to save settings in system config and the gesture map will not be saved on the disk.

Luke


Re: Clipspeak add-on for NVDA

Luke Davis
 

Sarah wrote:

Not sure where I can find the what's new section. 
Here. https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2021.3.5/documentation/changes.html

Also I don't think her NVDA is set to update automatically as we always had to click a pop up for it to do the update / install an new update. 
Is there a way to turn it off then not to update or something that I could pass on to my daughter? 
In NVDA general settings (insert+control+g), there is a checkbox called "automatically check for updates to NVDA" (she can press alt+u). Check that box, and press enter.

Your daughter could subscribe to this list, I'm sure we would be happy to help her directly, and she might pick up tips from other users that will make her life easier, just by seeing what other people talk about.

Luke


Re: Clipspeak add-on for NVDA

Sarah
 

Hi. 
Not sure where I can find the what's new section. 

Also I don't think her NVDA is set to update automatically as we always had to click a pop up for it to do the update / install an new update. 
Is there a way to turn it off then not to update or something that I could pass on to my daughter? 
She loves it better than narrator as narrator have a habit of missing out things or isn't working or just refuse to work with chrome or whatever. 
It is very fussy piece of windows software. 

If someone can guide me to where we can keep an eye on what's news section that would be great and would the new version of clipspeak be on the NVDA add on website?
Thank you for all you do.


Re: secure mode

 

What I have generally understood that phrase to mean is having NVDA running under Windows Secure mode, e.g., on login screens, when UAC dialogs come up, etc.

It's not a mode of NVDA where it can be turned on/off by end user action, but there are certain changes in NVDA behaviors and permissions when it is aware that Windows secure mode is active.

I'm sure I'll be corrected if that's wrong.
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secure mode

farhan israk
 

What do you mean by running nvda in secure mode?


Re: 2022.3.5 Upgrade and Speaking of Taskbar Icons

 

On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 12:33 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I'm actually heading off to work so can't search the list at this time, but that should be a shove in the right direction.
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Searching a Groups.io Topics Page/Archive

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Re: Setting up the Humanware NLS EReader via Bluetooth for use with NVDA - Assistance please?

Shawn
 

I connected the E-Reader that’s based on the HumanWare Brailliant series, but Windows/NVDA ignores any commands from the keyboard and just displays the first half of any line, you have to navigate using your computer’s keyboard, so it’s not at all useful. It works much better with the IPhone. They didn’t add me to the E-Reader mailing list, so I’m just waiting until the testing phase is over and it goes public so I can add myself.

Shawn Klein

 

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From: Clarissa Mitchell
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 12:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Setting up the Humanware NLS EReader via Bluetooth for use with NVDA - Assistance please?

 

Hi. I have the Zoomax E-reader, and I tried to explore this. The User

Guide says it should be able to work as a display with NVDA, and it

tells you how to connect to a Mac via Bluetooth, as well as iOS and

Android devices. There's a section on connecting to a computer via

USB, but I didn't find anywhere that told how to connect to a Windows

PC via Bluetooth, or how to use it with NVDA. When I went into

Settings on the device, then Bluetooth mode, all that showed up on the

display was BT and nothing else. I couldn't find any way to choose any

Bluetooth devices, and I was not notified that it was searching for

any devices. And I couldn't get out of it except by turning off the

E-reader. No keypresses were acknowledged.

 

Now I'm curious. Has anyone else been successful at connecting one of

these E-readers to NVDA via Bluetooth?

 

 

 

On 3/20/22, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote:

> Hey everyone. I sure hope everyone is having a lovely day out there!

> I have a question regarding NVDA version 2021.3.4 in combination with a

> bluetooth braille display; I'm not the most familiar with this, as I

> have always connected in the past over USB.

> I'm using the Humanware NLS EReader device as my display, and my

> ultimate goal is to connect it via bluetooth to my Windows 10 machine.

> Can someone possibly give me the steps both in NVDA as well as in the

> EReader to get this display connected up wirelessly over bluetooth so I

> may use it in conjunction with NVDA?

> Your help is very graciously appreciated.

> Thanks, and god bless.

> Chris.

>

 

 

 

 

 


Re: 2022.3.5 Upgrade and Speaking of Taskbar Icons

Sarah k Alawami
 

I remember someone had trouble with task bars' items and the english language, or rather a different language. I'm actually heading off to work so can't search the list at this time, but that should be a shove in the right direction.


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On 25 Mar 2022, at 9:23, Brian Vogel wrote:

Well, here is the changelog for NVDA:  https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2021.3.5/documentation/changes.html 

A search on the word "taskbar" doesn't show a single change since 2016.

What were you expecting this update to change in relation to the taskbar?  Also, under what version(s) of Windows?
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Re: 2022.3.5 Upgrade and Speaking of Taskbar Icons

 

Well, here is the changelog for NVDA:  https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2021.3.5/documentation/changes.html 

A search on the word "taskbar" doesn't show a single change since 2016.

What were you expecting this update to change in relation to the taskbar?  Also, under what version(s) of Windows?
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2022.3.5 Upgrade and Speaking of Taskbar Icons

Russell James
 

Greetings,

This update did not affect the speaking of the icons in the task bar!

This update correctly says it's version as 2022.3.5!

Russ


Re: Issue with NVDA saying Unknown when attempting to access a Google Account in Chrome

 

Topic Title Updated for Specificity.

For those claiming that such dialogs exist (and I'm not arguing one way or another) it is incumbent on you to give the steps necessary to get one to appear.  No one can be expected to guess how such is brought into existence.

And for an issue such as this one, the description of exactly how the navigation is being done and exactly where the sticking point occurs is essential.  That's lacking here.

For myself, if Google Chrome is having issues with accessing a Google Account in it, my first suspicion would be cache corruption in your instance of Chrome itself.  and to fix that to see if it gets rid of the problem:

1. Open Chrome History with CTRL + H
2. Navigate to the Clear browsing data link, and activate it.
3. In the dialog that is presented, choose the following values and check these checboxes:
        a. Time Range dropdown - All time.
        b. Cached images and files
4. Navigate to the Clear data button and activate it.
5. I also suggest exiting Chrome afterward, and firing it up again, but that's not strictly necessary.      
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Re: Strange Issue With Amazon Website And NVDA

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Luke,

I do see combo boxes in Edge Browser and with Firefox on other sites than Amazon.
could this be an add on? I looked at the interface for add-ons: themes plug-ins and extensions. I don't have too many. It is a bit confusing in that web type interface but there _might_ be some sort of add on for amazon. Wen I look at the search field within which I have Google set as default, I see some references to amazon something or other, but it doesn't read very well. It keeps losing focus in that field when you press control + L and then use up/down arrow keys to highlight other search tools.

I also did a 'refresh Firefox' procedure from the Firefox help screen, but that still didn't fix the issue.

In addition at the suggestion of Gene Asner, I downloaded a portable version of Firefox and the problem does not occur there. I was smart enough to not import any settings from the installed version of Firefox. This is why I believe there might be some sort of add on causing this issue.

On 3/25/2022 4:08 AM, Luke Davis wrote:
Ron

When I go to amazon.com in Firefox, I can press c, and move to a departments combobox. Selecting a department, I can then tab or whatever to the next field, which is a text field.

I gather this is not what you get.

Try running the COM Registration Fixing Tool in NVDA's Tools menu (NVDA+n, t, r, enter, authenticate to the UAC, enter).

After that, close Firefox, and try again. Or better yet: restart the machine (Shutdown, restart; not power off then turn back on), then try again.

Luke



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Re: Issue with NVDA saying Unknown when attempting to access a Google Account in Chrome

Gene
 

You might have heard about it but I'm also curious if your screen-reader read it if it was encountered.  And if so, it would seem unlikely that refreshing the page would cause it to disappear if it is asking to access the account. 

Again, I'm not saying what you are describing isn't the case, but I think it needs more checking such as a sighted person looking at the screen or seeing what other screen-readers do.

Gene

On 3/25/2022 9:32 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:

If I had not encountered such dialog, how I do  I knew about it?


Rui Fontes


Às 12:58 de 25/03/2022, Gene escreveu:
Have you encountered such a dialog?  I never have.  I'm not saying it isn't present, but I'm curious why you think it might be.

While I don't know what is causing the problem, if just refreshing the page one time is necessary, that is an easy workaround that doesn't take much time. 

I would suggest having a sighted person look at the screen.  You might want to try JAWS or Narrator to see if anything is read before asking for sighted help or if sighted help is inconvenient to get.

Gene

On 3/25/2022 7:32 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
It seems it is a invisible, for NVDA, dialog asking permission to access the account...


Rui Fontes


Às 10:48 de 25/03/2022, Luke Davis escreveu:
farhan israk wrote:

I am using windows 10 21h2, nvda 2021.3.4 and google chrome Version 99.0.4844.82 (Official Build) (64-bit). I cannot browse google sites such as gmail,

I am not a Chrome user, but I believe they are up to version 100 or more. Can you check for updates?

google drive or google disability help desk properly. If I press tab and nvda focuses my account, nvda says unknown. I cannot navigate in the page any more.

I hate to sound like a broken record, but have you run the COM Registration Fixing Tool in the NVDA tools menu?

Luke













Re: NVDA updates for security fixes

 

I'll also add that most end users, and I include myself in that group, will not understand a very great many security issues and never will.

If you want a short article, with links to primary sources in it, regarding what "the security geeks" use then see this article from Red Hat Linux: What is a CVE?

And in application software, such as NVDA, vulnerabilities are not frequently directly linked to a CVE, but are discovered by other means and fixed with little fanfare.

There is an old phrase, "Security by obscurity," and it's said, accurately, that you cannot count on that.  But, the converse is, it still helps to keep the public safe.  It is standard practice to keep identified vulnerabilities under wraps, both prior to and after fixes, because giving the gory details opens them up to exploitation.  And given what we know about end users clutching out-of-support software for dear life, if the "how to manual" for compromising same were to routinely be made common knowledge it would encourage a lot more amateur hacking "for the sake of practice" and make a lot more lives miserable.

Thus, all you're often going to get is the phrase, "security fixes."  That's very deliberate.
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Re: Issue with NVDA saying Unknown when attempting to access a Google Account in Chrome

Rui Fontes
 

If I had not encountered such dialog, how I do  I knew about it?


Rui Fontes


Às 12:58 de 25/03/2022, Gene escreveu:

Have you encountered such a dialog?  I never have.  I'm not saying it isn't present, but I'm curious why you think it might be.

While I don't know what is causing the problem, if just refreshing the page one time is necessary, that is an easy workaround that doesn't take much time. 

I would suggest having a sighted person look at the screen.  You might want to try JAWS or Narrator to see if anything is read before asking for sighted help or if sighted help is inconvenient to get.

Gene

On 3/25/2022 7:32 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
It seems it is a invisible, for NVDA, dialog asking permission to access the account...


Rui Fontes


Às 10:48 de 25/03/2022, Luke Davis escreveu:
farhan israk wrote:

I am using windows 10 21h2, nvda 2021.3.4 and google chrome Version 99.0.4844.82 (Official Build) (64-bit). I cannot browse google sites such as gmail,

I am not a Chrome user, but I believe they are up to version 100 or more. Can you check for updates?

google drive or google disability help desk properly. If I press tab and nvda focuses my account, nvda says unknown. I cannot navigate in the page any more.

I hate to sound like a broken record, but have you run the COM Registration Fixing Tool in the NVDA tools menu?

Luke












Re: NVDA always say: read-only in Word 2016

 

On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 09:35 AM, Cyrille wrote:
we need to know the version of Office since we cannot exclude the hypothesis that the user having this issue may run an old unsupported version of Office.
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The title of the very topic states:  Word 2016.

I'm sorry, but unlike you I do not believe that to be in any way unclear, nor have any probability of being anything other than "the usual, self-updating" version of Word that is part and parcel of Office 2016.

I've run versions of Office since at least Office 2003.  Never, once, when I have identified a version of Office, or had someone else identify same to me, has it been anything other than "the usual installation" of that version of Office, and in its current state of support (which can mean out-of-support).

Office 2016 remains in support, still.  You insist on grasping at straws; I don't. 
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Re: NVDA always say: read-only in Word 2016

Cyrille
 

Hi Brian

I think I have not made myself well understood.

You wrote:
no one should have "early days Word 2016" even if they're still using Office 2016.  It updates itself unless someone turns that off, and Office 2016 is still under active support and keeps getting updates.
What I wanted to say is the following:
To track the cause of this issue, we need to know the version of Office since we cannot exclude the hypothesis that the user having this issue may run an old unsupported version of Office.
If and how we choose to give advice and support to this user is another matter.
When we know the version and if we consider it too old, the advice could just be: Update your Office or ask your IT to do so.

Hope things are clearer now.
Cheers,

Cyrille

On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 07:43 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 04:44 AM, Cyrille wrote:
Also you cannot exclude that someone uses an unofficial / unsupported version and asks for help anyway.
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Actually yes, I can, and will.

Advice cannot ever be given if one wants to play the "what if" game and try to think of every unlikely scenario.  There are very, very few users of Office, and that's in environments like centrally managed IT, that don't have the updates applied.  Just for security's sake professional IT departments apply these.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again:  Unless someone identifies that they are actually in "an exception situation" I will not ever assume they are.  That's the very opposite of what one should assume.
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Re: Issue with NVDA saying Unknown when attempting to access a Google Account in Chrome

Gene
 

Have you encountered such a dialog?  I never have.  I'm not saying it isn't present, but I'm curious why you think it might be.

While I don't know what is causing the problem, if just refreshing the page one time is necessary, that is an easy workaround that doesn't take much time. 

I would suggest having a sighted person look at the screen.  You might want to try JAWS or Narrator to see if anything is read before asking for sighted help or if sighted help is inconvenient to get.

Gene

On 3/25/2022 7:32 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
It seems it is a invisible, for NVDA, dialog asking permission to access the account...


Rui Fontes


Às 10:48 de 25/03/2022, Luke Davis escreveu:
farhan israk wrote:

I am using windows 10 21h2, nvda 2021.3.4 and google chrome Version 99.0.4844.82 (Official Build) (64-bit). I cannot browse google sites such as gmail,

I am not a Chrome user, but I believe they are up to version 100 or more. Can you check for updates?

google drive or google disability help desk properly. If I press tab and nvda focuses my account, nvda says unknown. I cannot navigate in the page any more.

I hate to sound like a broken record, but have you run the COM Registration Fixing Tool in the NVDA tools menu?

Luke












Re: Issue with NVDA saying Unknown when attempting to access a Google Account in Chrome

Rui Fontes
 

It seems it is a invisible, for NVDA, dialog asking permission to access the account...


Rui Fontes


Às 10:48 de 25/03/2022, Luke Davis escreveu:

farhan israk wrote:

I am using windows 10 21h2, nvda 2021.3.4 and google chrome Version 99.0.4844.82 (Official Build) (64-bit). I cannot browse google sites such as gmail,
I am not a Chrome user, but I believe they are up to version 100 or more. Can you check for updates?

google drive or google disability help desk properly. If I press tab and nvda focuses my account, nvda says unknown. I cannot navigate in the page any more.
I hate to sound like a broken record, but have you run the COM Registration Fixing Tool in the NVDA tools menu?

Luke




Re: Issue with NVDA saying Unknown when attempting to access a Google Account in Chrome

Michael Chopra
 

Good morning, have you tried another browser? Can you navigate with another one? Use edge or any other one and see if that helps.

Thanks.

From Michael.

 

Michael Chopra

BA (Law) University student.

 

 

From: Rui Fontes
Sent: Saturday, 26 March 2022 01:13
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] unknown for pressing tab

 

It will not solve the problem!

 

Rui Fontes

 

Às 11:47 de 25/03/2022, Eduardo Fermiano Luccas escreveu:

you said you are using NVDA 2021.3.4, upgrade to NVDA 2021.3.5

 

Em sex., 25 de mar. de 2022 às 07:48, Luke Davis <luke@...> escreveu:

farhan israk wrote:

> I am using windows 10 21h2, nvda 2021.3.4 and google chrome Version 99.0.4844.82 (Official Build) (64-bit). I cannot browse google sites such as gmail,

I am not a Chrome user, but I believe they are up to version 100 or more. Can
you check for updates?

> google drive or google disability help desk properly. If I press tab and nvda focuses my account, nvda says unknown. I cannot navigate in the page any more.

I hate to sound like a broken record, but have you run the COM Registration
Fixing Tool in the NVDA tools menu?

Luke




 

 

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