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Re: 2022.3.5 Upgrade and Speaking of Taskbar Icons

 

On Sat, Mar 26, 2022 at 10:00 AM, Russell James wrote:
I would like to mention that with the latest upgrade to 3.5 my taskbar icons didn't go silent after the upgrade and force me to restart the computer to get them back...
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My response was to your message.  I could not tell whether you were upset about something versus pleased, now that's clear.

Much like Eduardo Fermiano Luccas, I tend to at least exit and restart software after updates, so I often don't notice things that only happen if you do not do so.
 
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Re: 2022.3.5 Upgrade and Speaking of Taskbar Icons

 

On Sat, Mar 26, 2022 at 11:36 AM, Eduardo Fermiano Luccas wrote:
I think we should forced to always restart the computer after doing any installation or update
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I won't go that far, the "forced" part, but it certainly never hurts.

Over time I figure out which updates require me to restart the software itself (even if it "auto restarts") versus the computer versus just merrily rolling along.

Patterns do become quite clear with time and repetition for specific things.
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Re: 2022.3.5 Upgrade and Speaking of Taskbar Icons

Eduardo Fermiano Luccas
 

anyway, I think we should forced to always restart the computer after doing any installation or update

Em sáb., 26 de mar. de 2022 às 11:00, Russell James <4rjames@...> escreveu:

Brian I'm not seeing the message history here and I don't know if your message is in response to mine but I would like to mention that with the latest upgrade to 3.5 my taskbar icons didn't go silent after the upgrade and force me to restart the computer to get them back...

I don't know the root cause but something improved the update process :-)

Russ


On Fri, Mar 25, 2022, 12:54 PM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 12:33 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I'm actually heading off to work so can't search the list at this time, but that should be a shove in the right direction.
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Re: 2022.3.5 Upgrade and Speaking of Taskbar Icons

Russell James
 

Brian I'm not seeing the message history here and I don't know if your message is in response to mine but I would like to mention that with the latest upgrade to 3.5 my taskbar icons didn't go silent after the upgrade and force me to restart the computer to get them back...

I don't know the root cause but something improved the update process :-)

Russ


On Fri, Mar 25, 2022, 12:54 PM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 12:33 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I'm actually heading off to work so can't search the list at this time, but that should be a shove in the right direction.
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Searching a Groups.io Topics Page/Archive

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Constantly insisting on “my rights” with no consideration of “my responsibilities” isn’t “freedom” — it’s adolescence.
     ~ Commenter, Evangelos, in comments for
         America 2022: Where Everyone Has Rights and No One Has Responsibilities,
        New York Times, February 8, 2022

 


Re: Setting up the Humanware NLS EReader via Bluetooth for use with NVDA - Assistance please?

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

Don't feel bad. They didn't add me to the mailing list either, despite me asking countless numbers of time. Oh, that has to be done by your local state library. Oh no. We don't do that, that's up to Utah where you go through to get the reader. Oh no, we, Utah don't do that. Go to DC. Oh no, we DC don't do that, go to your local state. It's just back and forth.


Frankly, I don't like nor normally condone publicly shaming companies like I once did, but this is rediculous! If it wasn't for the fact that I needed a portable sollution to read braille books, I probably wouldn't keep the unit. Their customer service, not to be confused with tech support, is some of thee worst! I've ever seen. My point being, don't feel you were singled out. I didn't get added either, and I highly doubt that I ever will at this rate. If anyone's on this list who works with NLS, then get off your high horse, and get us added when we respectfully ask, and then maybe we'll quit complaining this isn't rocket science, people.


Chris.

On 3/25/2022 12:48 PM, Shawn via groups.io wrote:

I connected the E-Reader that’s based on the HumanWare Brailliant series, but Windows/NVDA ignores any commands from the keyboard and just displays the first half of any line, you have to navigate using your computer’s keyboard, so it’s not at all useful. It works much better with the IPhone. They didn’t add me to the E-Reader mailing list, so I’m just waiting until the testing phase is over and it goes public so I can add myself.

Shawn Klein

 

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From: Clarissa Mitchell
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 12:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Setting up the Humanware NLS EReader via Bluetooth for use with NVDA - Assistance please?

 

Hi. I have the Zoomax E-reader, and I tried to explore this. The User

Guide says it should be able to work as a display with NVDA, and it

tells you how to connect to a Mac via Bluetooth, as well as iOS and

Android devices. There's a section on connecting to a computer via

USB, but I didn't find anywhere that told how to connect to a Windows

PC via Bluetooth, or how to use it with NVDA. When I went into

Settings on the device, then Bluetooth mode, all that showed up on the

display was BT and nothing else. I couldn't find any way to choose any

Bluetooth devices, and I was not notified that it was searching for

any devices. And I couldn't get out of it except by turning off the

E-reader. No keypresses were acknowledged.

 

Now I'm curious. Has anyone else been successful at connecting one of

these E-readers to NVDA via Bluetooth?

 

 

 

On 3/20/22, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote:

> Hey everyone. I sure hope everyone is having a lovely day out there!

> I have a question regarding NVDA version 2021.3.4 in combination with a

> bluetooth braille display; I'm not the most familiar with this, as I

> have always connected in the past over USB.

> I'm using the Humanware NLS EReader device as my display, and my

> ultimate goal is to connect it via bluetooth to my Windows 10 machine.

> Can someone possibly give me the steps both in NVDA as well as in the

> EReader to get this display connected up wirelessly over bluetooth so I

> may use it in conjunction with NVDA?

> Your help is very graciously appreciated.

> Thanks, and god bless.

> Chris.

>

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Is Microsoft Small Basic accessible with NVDA?

Jane Sharp
 

I tried Small Basic quite a few years ago now with one of my students but it was completely inaccessible then so we covered the same concepts but using Python instead.

Jane

On 25 Mar 2022, at 21:38, Refael Shuter <refaely319@...> wrote:

Hello, I am a student in a computer class which is using Microsoft Small Basic to learn beginner programming concepts, and it does not seem to be accessible with NVDA. NVDA reports almost no relevant information about what is happening in the app. Am I missing something, or is it just not accessible? I contacted Microsoft and am following their instructions, but I am not sure if they actually understand the issues I am having, so I am just curious if anyone has any more information on this topic. Thanks so much!





Setting up a Braille display using Bluetooth

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi guys


I am guessing there is some one using a braille display connected by blu tooth.


I was wondering if there was any one who had written a tutorial on connecting there braille display using blu tooth they might want to share?

And how it is done.



I am guessing if it is like other devices on the braille display you have to turn on blu tooth on it so it can be found and if using a computer with blu tooth on it you need to get it to search for that blu tooth device say called what ever it is called.

In NVDA

Under the braille display settings where there are other braille displays I see the part where it can be a com port r via usb is there if you have blu tooth on the computer you can see it in this section to?

I am guessing the part before where it says the braille display names there would be units there that do have blu tooth?


I see the question come up a few times on the list if they are new braille display users either connecting by usb or blu tooth or even a com port.


Gene nz


Re: Clipspeak add-on for NVDA

Luke Davis
 

Gene wrote:

you want the checkbox unchecked.  It says automatically check for updates.  You don't want it to. 
I'm sorry Sarah, Gene is right. I said "check that box" where I meant to say "uncheck that box".
This assumes you don't want it bringing up the question about whether to update when updates are available.

It never really automatically updates in any case, it always asks if you want to if the box is checked. If the box is unchecked, you have to run checks manually from the NVDA help menu.

Luke


Re: Clipspeak add-on for NVDA

Gene
 

you want the checkbox unchecked.  It says automatically check for updates.  You don't want it to. 

On 3/25/2022 3:59 PM, Luke Davis wrote:

Sarah wrote:

Not sure where I can find the what's new section. 

Here. https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2021.3.5/documentation/changes.html

Also I don't think her NVDA is set to update automatically as we always had to click a pop up for it to do the update / install an new update. 
Is there a way to turn it off then not to update or something that I could pass on to my daughter? 

In NVDA general settings (insert+control+g), there is a checkbox called "automatically check for updates to NVDA" (she can press alt+u). Check that box, and press enter.

Your daughter could subscribe to this list, I'm sure we would be happy to help her directly, and she might pick up tips from other users that will make her life easier, just by seeing what other people talk about.

Luke







Re: Strange Issue With Amazon Website And NVDA

 

On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 05:50 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Well at long last I solved the issue.  Lacking any other possibility, I figured there might be some sort of corruption in cookies. I did a search under Firefox settings for cache. I was taken to a list of cookies and other related items. I searched within the listings for Amazon.  I don't know how this was acquired but there was something called addservice.amazon.com. When I deleted this cookie, everything returned to normal.
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And a huge thank you from yours truly for your having taken the time and effort to post a detailed resolution.

So often, there's nothing but an, "It's fixed!," message, if that, which helps absolutely no one else who might encounter the same problem.  Having the information you posted very well might.

There are times when it is entirely unclear where the root of a problem lies.
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Re: Strange Issue With Amazon Website And NVDA

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

Well at long last I solved the issue.  Lacking any other possibility, I figured there might be some sort of corruption in cookies. I did a search under Firefox settings for cache. I was taken to a list of cookies and other related items. I searched within the listings for Amazon.  I don't know how this was acquired but there was something called addservice.amazon.com. When I deleted this cookie, everything returned to normal.

Not only does the combo box appear again, but apparently this cookie--corruption or result of some sort of add wear (my anti virus says there isn't any) not only do the combo boxes appear properly but also in the kindle store, the search for kindle books is specific and the 'buy now with one click' item is visible and accessible. In the future, I will check out cookies first if some sites seem to change in unexplainable ways.

Sorry for posting this on the NVDA list, but trying other normal things and not getting results made me think it might be some quirky thing with screen readers.

Thanks for your forbearance!

On 3/25/2022 10:46 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Luke,

I do see combo boxes in Edge Browser and with Firefox on other sites than Amazon.
could this be an add on? I looked at the interface for add-ons: themes plug-ins and extensions. I don't have too many. It is a bit confusing in that web type interface but there _might_ be some sort of add on for amazon. Wen I look at the search field within which I have Google set as default, I see some references to amazon something or other, but it doesn't read very well. It keeps losing focus in that field when you press control + L and then use up/down arrow keys to highlight other search tools.

I also did a 'refresh Firefox' procedure from the Firefox help screen, but that still didn't fix the issue.

In addition at the suggestion of Gene Asner, I downloaded a portable version of Firefox and the problem does not occur there. I was smart enough to not import any settings from the installed version of Firefox. This is why I believe there might be some sort of add on causing this issue.


On 3/25/2022 4:08 AM, Luke Davis wrote:
Ron

When I go to amazon.com in Firefox, I can press c, and move to a departments combobox. Selecting a department, I can then tab or whatever to the next field, which is a text field.

I gather this is not what you get.

Try running the COM Registration Fixing Tool in NVDA's Tools menu (NVDA+n, t, r, enter, authenticate to the UAC, enter).

After that, close Firefox, and try again. Or better yet: restart the machine (Shutdown, restart; not power off then turn back on), then try again.

Luke




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Re: Clipspeak add-on for NVDA

 

On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 04:59 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Your daughter could subscribe to this list,
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And I'll go so far as to say should subscribe to this list, particularly seeing as she's a college student.  Cutting out the middle-person is always best when it comes to getting information.

She can also very tightly control the actual messages she gets from this, or any, Groups.io Group: Controlling the Messages You Receive via E-Mail from Groups.io (docx format)
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Is Microsoft Small Basic accessible with NVDA?

Refael Shuter
 

Hello, I am a student in a computer class which is using Microsoft Small Basic to learn beginner programming concepts, and it does not seem to be accessible with NVDA. NVDA reports almost no relevant information about what is happening in the app. Am I missing something, or is it just not accessible? I contacted Microsoft and am following their instructions, but I am not sure if they actually understand the issues I am having, so I am just curious if anyone has any more information on this topic. Thanks so much!


Re: secure mode

Luke Davis
 

Brian Vogel wrote:

What I have generally understood that phrase to mean is having NVDA running under Windows Secure mode, e.g., on login screens, when UAC dialogs come up,
True. However, more basically, it means running NVDA with the -s or --secure flag, which you can do from anywhere.

Why you would do that as a normal user, I don't know, unless it is imposed by some paranoid system administrator.

From the manual:

Secure mode: disables Python console, profile features such as creation, deletion, renaming profiles etc., update check, some checkboxes in the welcome dialog and in general settings category (e.g. Use NVDA during sign-in, save configuration after exit etc.), as well as logviewer and logging features (used often in secure screens). Note also that this command will disable the possibility to save settings in system config and the gesture map will not be saved on the disk.

Luke


Re: Clipspeak add-on for NVDA

Luke Davis
 

Sarah wrote:

Not sure where I can find the what's new section. 
Here. https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2021.3.5/documentation/changes.html

Also I don't think her NVDA is set to update automatically as we always had to click a pop up for it to do the update / install an new update. 
Is there a way to turn it off then not to update or something that I could pass on to my daughter? 
In NVDA general settings (insert+control+g), there is a checkbox called "automatically check for updates to NVDA" (she can press alt+u). Check that box, and press enter.

Your daughter could subscribe to this list, I'm sure we would be happy to help her directly, and she might pick up tips from other users that will make her life easier, just by seeing what other people talk about.

Luke


Re: Clipspeak add-on for NVDA

Sarah
 

Hi. 
Not sure where I can find the what's new section. 

Also I don't think her NVDA is set to update automatically as we always had to click a pop up for it to do the update / install an new update. 
Is there a way to turn it off then not to update or something that I could pass on to my daughter? 
She loves it better than narrator as narrator have a habit of missing out things or isn't working or just refuse to work with chrome or whatever. 
It is very fussy piece of windows software. 

If someone can guide me to where we can keep an eye on what's news section that would be great and would the new version of clipspeak be on the NVDA add on website?
Thank you for all you do.


Re: secure mode

 

What I have generally understood that phrase to mean is having NVDA running under Windows Secure mode, e.g., on login screens, when UAC dialogs come up, etc.

It's not a mode of NVDA where it can be turned on/off by end user action, but there are certain changes in NVDA behaviors and permissions when it is aware that Windows secure mode is active.

I'm sure I'll be corrected if that's wrong.
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secure mode

farhan israk
 

What do you mean by running nvda in secure mode?


Re: 2022.3.5 Upgrade and Speaking of Taskbar Icons

 

On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 12:33 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I'm actually heading off to work so can't search the list at this time, but that should be a shove in the right direction.
-

Searching a Groups.io Topics Page/Archive

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Constantly insisting on “my rights” with no consideration of “my responsibilities” isn’t “freedom” — it’s adolescence.
     ~ Commenter, Evangelos, in comments for
         America 2022: Where Everyone Has Rights and No One Has Responsibilities,
        New York Times, February 8, 2022

 


Re: Setting up the Humanware NLS EReader via Bluetooth for use with NVDA - Assistance please?

Shawn
 

I connected the E-Reader that’s based on the HumanWare Brailliant series, but Windows/NVDA ignores any commands from the keyboard and just displays the first half of any line, you have to navigate using your computer’s keyboard, so it’s not at all useful. It works much better with the IPhone. They didn’t add me to the E-Reader mailing list, so I’m just waiting until the testing phase is over and it goes public so I can add myself.

Shawn Klein

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Clarissa Mitchell
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 12:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Setting up the Humanware NLS EReader via Bluetooth for use with NVDA - Assistance please?

 

Hi. I have the Zoomax E-reader, and I tried to explore this. The User

Guide says it should be able to work as a display with NVDA, and it

tells you how to connect to a Mac via Bluetooth, as well as iOS and

Android devices. There's a section on connecting to a computer via

USB, but I didn't find anywhere that told how to connect to a Windows

PC via Bluetooth, or how to use it with NVDA. When I went into

Settings on the device, then Bluetooth mode, all that showed up on the

display was BT and nothing else. I couldn't find any way to choose any

Bluetooth devices, and I was not notified that it was searching for

any devices. And I couldn't get out of it except by turning off the

E-reader. No keypresses were acknowledged.

 

Now I'm curious. Has anyone else been successful at connecting one of

these E-readers to NVDA via Bluetooth?

 

 

 

On 3/20/22, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote:

> Hey everyone. I sure hope everyone is having a lovely day out there!

> I have a question regarding NVDA version 2021.3.4 in combination with a

> bluetooth braille display; I'm not the most familiar with this, as I

> have always connected in the past over USB.

> I'm using the Humanware NLS EReader device as my display, and my

> ultimate goal is to connect it via bluetooth to my Windows 10 machine.

> Can someone possibly give me the steps both in NVDA as well as in the

> EReader to get this display connected up wirelessly over bluetooth so I

> may use it in conjunction with NVDA?

> Your help is very graciously appreciated.

> Thanks, and god bless.

> Chris.

>

 

 

 

 

 

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