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Re: NVDA beta

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

No worries about the dictation, I'm all too aware of how that goes. LOL!


That's most likely what I'm going to do is just not update. That said, I don't want to get too far behind.


I think my biggest concern mainly is, will it eventually, key word, eventually, work with NVDA, or is NVDA at this point planning to stop supporting it.


I also kind of am curious. I thought that the version from Code Factory was Sapi 5. So, if they broke Eloquence from working, then wouldn't that mean that Sapi wouldn't work at all? If so, that's a bigger concern than just Eloquence. Let's be fair though. We *are* talking beta here, not official release. By the time it is deployed as stable, it may be working by then. I'm not ready yet to pannick, but certainly this is something worth considering.


Chris.

On 4/5/2022 6:15 PM, Johnny Lam wrote:

On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 3:10 PM Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote:
Please tell me you're kidding! 

You could just keep the older version of NVDA for a few months at least, I’m sure they will eventually have updated versions of the add-ons for eloquence and IBM via voices.
 
Right now I’m not upgrading either, because of course the add-on compatibility will break all of my existing add-ons, such as the deck talk synthesizers that I use. I remember when NVDA 2019.3 and above came out, I had to wait at least a few months for the add-ons to be updated. So I would just keep your existing NVDA for now, so hopefully the speech synthesizer add-ons will be upgraded soon.
 
I apologize if there are any missed typos, voice dictation on the phone isn’t always accurate. Lol


Re: NVDA beta

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

Respectfully, you might not have seen this in my initial response, but again, Vocalizer is not the easiest for me to understand. I wanted to possibly purchase it earlier, yes, that's true, but it would only be used as a backup as a last resort in case some reason Eloquence from CF was to spaz out on me.


Chris.

On 4/5/2022 6:30 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Vocalizer and Vocalizer Expressive from Tiflotecnia are already ready to NVDA 2022.1...


Cumprimentos,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 23:10 de 05/04/2022, Christopher-Mark Gilland escreveu:
Please tell me you're kidding! If so, there went my days of using NVDA, as though a lot say ESpeak is very clear, I have a profound hearing loss, and I do mean, profound. Like, 75 percent loss in one ear, and 80 in the other. Even with my hearing aids, I cannot understand ESpeak. Even Vocalizer is somewhat difficult. That's the main reason I bought the CF version of Eloquence. Obviously, I want to be legit! That's about the only synth I'm able to understand. I know a lot hate it worth a purple and pink passion, but it's what since the very very very early 2000's I've grown used to, so now, unfortunately, it's about all I can understand.


Please devs, don't do this, if so! You'll definitely lose a user if you do, and I'd hate that.


Chris.

On 4/5/2022 5:59 PM, Don H wrote:
So it appears that the latest beta of NVDA will not work with the code factory vocalizer/eleoquinse addon. Is this going to be true when the next released version of NVDA is available?










Re: NVDA beta

 

On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 06:19 PM, Don H wrote:
It just seems that more and more of the most recent NVDA updates break such things as addon's
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That perception is actual reality.  

Over the last couple of years there has been some major "under the hood" updating going on in the NVDA core code.  That's been plainly announced, well ahead of time, along with the fact that these changes will cause breaks in add-on compatibility if the add-on developers do not keep up.  This is not unique to NVDA and third party add-ons.

We've seen this with NVDA and JAWS over the years as major updates were occurring in Windows, too.  I can recall (and not just for screen readers) how many things "broke" in the early days of Windows 10 because the various software houses essentially did nothing to prepare for that release ahead of time and played catch up afterward.

We see it, and it's almost impossible to avoid, with web browsing and screen readers not infrequently as new parts of web coding come into existence, sometimes with minimal warning.

We are now in the age of everything "as a service" and that means that something, probably Windows primarily, and its update cadence will be driving the cadences of lots of other stuff.  But once you get into something like NVDA and its add-ons, the major updates to NVDA will dictate the cadence of updates to add-ons if those add-ons are still supported.

There can be, and almost certainly will be, periods of time where NVDA itself and its add-ons have relatively long plateau periods where major updates and backward compatibility breaking will not be occurring.  But that time is not now, and as far as I can see there are some add-ons that may very well become orphans and only work up to a given NVDA version, because their original developers have lost interest and no one else has picked up the ball to run with it.

And as disconcerting as that may be, I'd certainly not propose that NVDA stop its ongoing development, some of which involves backward compatibility breaking releases, because any given add-on might become an orphan.  NVDA's ongoing viability depends on it continuing to be worked on as the ecosystem in which it is immersed continues to change.  To do otherwise means that NVDA will cease to exist as a viable screen reader in the Windows sphere.
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Scratch most feminists and underneath there is a woman who longs to be a sex object. The difference is that is not all she wants to be.

    ~ Betty Rollin


Re: NVDA beta

Rui Fontes
 

Vocalizer and Vocalizer Expressive from Tiflotecnia are already ready to NVDA 2022.1...


Cumprimentos,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 23:10 de 05/04/2022, Christopher-Mark Gilland escreveu:

Please tell me you're kidding! If so, there went my days of using NVDA, as though a lot say ESpeak is very clear, I have a profound hearing loss, and I do mean, profound. Like, 75 percent loss in one ear, and 80 in the other. Even with my hearing aids, I cannot understand ESpeak. Even Vocalizer is somewhat difficult. That's the main reason I bought the CF version of Eloquence. Obviously, I want to be legit! That's about the only synth I'm able to understand. I know a lot hate it worth a purple and pink passion, but it's what since the very very very early 2000's I've grown used to, so now, unfortunately, it's about all I can understand.


Please devs, don't do this, if so! You'll definitely lose a user if you do, and I'd hate that.


Chris.

On 4/5/2022 5:59 PM, Don H wrote:
So it appears that the latest beta of NVDA will not work with the code factory vocalizer/eleoquinse addon. Is this going to be true when the next released version of NVDA is available?







Re: NVDA beta

Johnny Lam
 

On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 3:10 PM Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote:
Please tell me you're kidding! 

You could just keep the older version of NVDA for a few months at least, I’m sure they will eventually have updated versions of the add-ons for eloquence and IBM via voices.
 
Right now I’m not upgrading either, because of course the add-on compatibility will break all of my existing add-ons, such as the deck talk synthesizers that I use. I remember when NVDA 2019.3 and above came out, I had to wait at least a few months for the add-ons to be updated. So I would just keep your existing NVDA for now, so hopefully the speech synthesizer add-ons will be upgraded soon.
 
I apologize if there are any missed typos, voice dictation on the phone isn’t always accurate. Lol


Re: NVDA beta

Don H
 

It just seems that more and more of the most recent NVDA updates break
such things as addon's

On 4/5/2022 5:14 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 05:59 PM, Don H wrote:

Is this going to be true when the next released version of NVDA is
available?

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Who knows?  The only person or people who do are the developers of the
Code Factory add-on, and that's where you should be asking if you want a
definitive answer.

Not that I don't think that this is a legitimate question, because it
is, but it is not NVAccess or any of the membership here that can answer
it.  The structure, and it's been the structure for years, is that NVDA
Add-Ons are completely separate entities from NVDA itself and whether or
not they get updated is up to the developers of those add-ons.

Anything related to an add-on and that includes bug reports, questions
about upcoming updates (or the lack thereof), etc., must be directed to
the developers of those add-ons via the mechanisms they require for
communication (often, but not always, GitHub).
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Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

Scratch most feminists and underneath there is a woman who longs to be a
sex object. The difference is that is not */all/* she wants to be.

~ Betty Rollin


Re: NVDA beta

 

On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 05:59 PM, Don H wrote:
Is this going to be true when the next released version of NVDA is available?
-
Who knows?  The only person or people who do are the developers of the Code Factory add-on, and that's where you should be asking if you want a definitive answer.

Not that I don't think that this is a legitimate question, because it is, but it is not NVAccess or any of the membership here that can answer it.  The structure, and it's been the structure for years, is that NVDA Add-Ons are completely separate entities from NVDA itself and whether or not they get updated is up to the developers of those add-ons.

Anything related to an add-on and that includes bug reports, questions about upcoming updates (or the lack thereof), etc., must be directed to the developers of those add-ons via the mechanisms they require for communication (often, but not always, GitHub).
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Scratch most feminists and underneath there is a woman who longs to be a sex object. The difference is that is not all she wants to be.

    ~ Betty Rollin


Re: NVDA beta

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

Please tell me you're kidding! If so, there went my days of using NVDA, as though a lot say ESpeak is very clear, I have a profound hearing loss, and I do mean, profound. Like, 75 percent loss in one ear, and 80 in the other. Even with my hearing aids, I cannot understand ESpeak. Even Vocalizer is somewhat difficult. That's the main reason I bought the CF version of Eloquence. Obviously, I want to be legit! That's about the only synth I'm able to understand. I know a lot hate it worth a purple and pink passion, but it's what since the very very very early 2000's I've grown used to, so now, unfortunately, it's about all I can understand.


Please devs, don't do this, if so! You'll definitely lose a user if you do, and I'd hate that.


Chris.

On 4/5/2022 5:59 PM, Don H wrote:
So it appears that the latest beta of NVDA will not work with the code factory vocalizer/eleoquinse addon.  Is this going to be true when the next released version of NVDA is available?




NVDA beta

Don H
 

So it appears that the latest beta of NVDA will not work with the code factory vocalizer/eleoquinse addon. Is this going to be true when the next released version of NVDA is available?


Re: NVDA Remote

 

Not unless you set up your own NVDA Remote Server (which can be done, but I can't give step-by-step details) within your own LAN space.

There is always an NVDA Remote Server acting as go-between, but where it happens to be located doesn't matter.  So if the server is on equipment in your own LAN, and you connect to that server, then, yes.  Otherwise, no.
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Scratch most feminists and underneath there is a woman who longs to be a sex object. The difference is that is not all she wants to be.

    ~ Betty Rollin


Re: Vocalizer

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

Rui,


Thank you, my friend. That's very helpful!


Chris.

On 4/5/2022 1:09 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Hello!


From Tiflotecnia:

https://vocalizer-nvda.com


From CodeFactory:

https://codefactoryglobal.com/app-store/voices-for-nvda/


Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.



Às 18:01 de 05/04/2022, Christopher-Mark Gilland escreveu:
Where can I go to find out more about the Vocalizer voices addon? You know... things like the price, where to actually buy it, if I choose to do so, etc.


Chris.








NVDA Remote

K0LNY
 

Hi All,
I am wondering if there is a way to remote two computers both running NVDA,
together in the same local network, without going through nvdaremote?
In other words, keep the connection within my LAN?
Thanks


Re: Vocalizer

 

Yes, they have both both tiflo and code factory.

They also have the sapi for eloquence and vocaliser respectively and their support is good.

On 6/04/2022 5:07 am, Don H wrote:
atguys.com has the vocalizer addon

On 4/5/2022 12:01 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
Where can I go to find out more about the Vocalizer voices addon? You
know... things like the price, where to actually buy it, if I choose to
do so, etc.


Chris.








Re: Vocalizer

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!


From Tiflotecnia:

https://vocalizer-nvda.com


From CodeFactory:

https://codefactoryglobal.com/app-store/voices-for-nvda/


Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.



Às 18:01 de 05/04/2022, Christopher-Mark Gilland escreveu:

Where can I go to find out more about the Vocalizer voices addon? You know... things like the price, where to actually buy it, if I choose to do so, etc.


Chris.





Re: Vocalizer

Don H
 

atguys.com has the vocalizer addon

On 4/5/2022 12:01 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
Where can I go to find out more about the Vocalizer voices addon? You
know... things like the price, where to actually buy it, if I choose to
do so, etc.


Chris.





Vocalizer

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

Where can I go to find out more about the Vocalizer voices addon? You know... things like the price, where to actually buy it, if I choose to do so, etc.


Chris.


Re: Sharing screen with Zoom or Microsoft Teams and NVDA

Sarah k Alawami
 

Try being in focus mode when changing slides. That would be my suggestion. As focus mode, nvda does not intercept space or page down etc. Are you presenting these via PowerPoint or via a web browser. I have never, hope to never, do a slide via a web browser, that would be  a bit messey IMHO.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sylvie Duchateau
Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2022 1:51 AM
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Sharing screen with Zoom or Microsoft Teams and NVDA

 

Hello all,

I regularly have to share my screen in Zoom or Microsoft Teams to present slide content in HTML.

I used Firefox but I encountered problems, described below, and I then tried to use Chrome, but the problems occur as well.

For both browsers, I have the updated versions and I use NVDA 2021.3.5.

I encounter some problems with screen sharing with NVDA in Zoom, sometimes as well in Microsoft Teams.

When screen sharing is on, some browser commands do not work anymore. For example, pressing the space bar to show the next slide or typing an URL in the address bar. The browser does not respond, or I can read things with the braille display that are updated but people I am talking to see older parts of the slides.

Sometimes, only pressing Windows and M to access the desktop does not work anymore.

When screen sharing is disabled again or when NVDA is not in use (for my colleagues, for example), the problem of screen sharing and the lack of responsiveness in the browser does not occur.

Has anybody encountered issues with screen sharing with Zoom, Microsoft Teams and NVDA?

Thank you for any experience you may have.

Best

Sylvie


Sharing screen with Zoom or Microsoft Teams and NVDA

Sylvie Duchateau
 

Hello all,

I regularly have to share my screen in Zoom or Microsoft Teams to present slide content in HTML.

I used Firefox but I encountered problems, described below, and I then tried to use Chrome, but the problems occur as well.

For both browsers, I have the updated versions and I use NVDA 2021.3.5.

I encounter some problems with screen sharing with NVDA in Zoom, sometimes as well in Microsoft Teams.

When screen sharing is on, some browser commands do not work anymore. For example, pressing the space bar to show the next slide or typing an URL in the address bar. The browser does not respond, or I can read things with the braille display that are updated but people I am talking to see older parts of the slides.

Sometimes, only pressing Windows and M to access the desktop does not work anymore.

When screen sharing is disabled again or when NVDA is not in use (for my colleagues, for example), the problem of screen sharing and the lack of responsiveness in the browser does not occur.

Has anybody encountered issues with screen sharing with Zoom, Microsoft Teams and NVDA?

Thank you for any experience you may have.

Best

Sylvie


Announcement: Numpad Nav Mode add-on is compatible with NVDA 2022.1

Luke Davis
 

Hello all

Just a quick note to say that as of version 1.5, which is now available from Add-on Updater and the community site, the Numpad Nav Mode add-on is compatible with NVDA 2022.1.

I know this add-on has gained some users, from the emails I have gotten, but for those who don't know:

Numpad Nav Mode is an add-on which allows the numpad to be switched from its NVDA object navigation functions, to its normal Windows cursor movement functions. This can be done whether you use desktop or laptop keyboard mode.

In particular, I have been told that I should mention that this enables the Jaws-style Numpad Insert Numpad 2 functionality for read to end.

Further small improvements should be coming later this year, and if you desire any feature that it is reasonable to add, I will attempt to do so.

Add-on available at: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/numpadNavMode.en.html

Luke


Re: Braille, NVDA, and Excel

 

See message , in the Microsoft Office Accessibility Discussion Group topic, 

Auto fitting text in Excel cells

This question has made the rounds many, many times, and almost certainly will again.
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Scratch most feminists and underneath there is a woman who longs to be a sex object. The difference is that is not all she wants to be.

    ~ Betty Rollin

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