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How can I view a log Nvda?

Jarek.Krcmar
 

Hello all in group,


I would like to know, how can view a log Nvda.

I have a problem with updating add-on. The update is presented to me, but if I confirm the update, it is stoped.

I can only view a protocol.

Do you have an idea, please?


--
Jarek


Re: thunderbird

Gene
 

The name of the add-on is Mozilla Apps Enhancements and a search should find it.  It has commands for Firefox as well as Thunderbird but I never use them and I can't tell you anything about them.

I can tell you about the commands for Thunderbird if you wish.  I don't recall how detailed the documentation is.

Gene

On 4/6/2022 12:59 AM, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:
Is there an addon for this client? I did not see one on the addon page.
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Re: thunderbird

 

Mozilla apps enhancements.





On 4/6/2022 1:59 AM, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:
Is there an addon for this client? I did not see one on the addon page.
******
Jesus says, follow me and I'll help you through the rough spots.
the world says, hey come with me. My way is broad and easy. So what if you get crap on your shoes. You can always wash it off, can't you!______
 
Family times Theatre
http://familytimes.wrighthere.net:9244/stream
Ask your smart speaker to play Family Times on tune-in


thunderbird

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

Is there an addon for this client? I did not see one on the addon page.
******
Jesus says, follow me and I'll help you through the rough spots.
the world says, hey come with me. My way is broad and easy. So what if you get crap on your shoes. You can always wash it off, can't you!______
 
Family times Theatre
http://familytimes.wrighthere.net:9244/stream
Ask your smart speaker to play Family Times on tune-in


Re: Sharing screen with Zoom or Microsoft Teams and NVDA

Sharad Koirala
 

hi,

I am used to share powerpoint slides via both zoom and microsoft teams
during lectures and have not faced such problems.
the difference it seems is that I use the desktop app for both the
programs instead of using the web interface. one benefit of using the
desktop app with teams is that u can share only one window and not the
whole screen. this helps in moving around into different tabs in your
computer while showing only one content to the audience.

thank you,

On 4/5/22, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
Try being in focus mode when changing slides. That would be my suggestion.
As focus mode, nvda does not intercept space or page down etc. Are you
presenting these via PowerPoint or via a web browser. I have never, hope to
never, do a slide via a web browser, that would be a bit messey IMHO.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sylvie
Duchateau
Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2022 1:51 AM
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Sharing screen with Zoom or Microsoft Teams and NVDA



Hello all,

I regularly have to share my screen in Zoom or Microsoft Teams to present
slide content in HTML.

I used Firefox but I encountered problems, described below, and I then
tried
to use Chrome, but the problems occur as well.

For both browsers, I have the updated versions and I use NVDA 2021.3.5.

I encounter some problems with screen sharing with NVDA in Zoom, sometimes
as well in Microsoft Teams.

When screen sharing is on, some browser commands do not work anymore. For
example, pressing the space bar to show the next slide or typing an URL in
the address bar. The browser does not respond, or I can read things with
the
braille display that are updated but people I am talking to see older parts
of the slides.

Sometimes, only pressing Windows and M to access the desktop does not work
anymore.

When screen sharing is disabled again or when NVDA is not in use (for my
colleagues, for example), the problem of screen sharing and the lack of
responsiveness in the browser does not occur.

Has anybody encountered issues with screen sharing with Zoom, Microsoft
Teams and NVDA?

Thank you for any experience you may have.

Best

Sylvie








--
Dr. Sharad Koirala
Lecturer
Department of Community Medicine
Gandaki Medical College, Pokhara, Nepal


Re: NVDA Remote

 

On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 11:40 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
All very straight forward, once you divorce the controlled/controlling concept from the client/server concept in your head.
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Agreed.  Hence the reason I asked.

Now it's clear that these two settings are disjoint from each other.  Thanks.
 
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Scratch most feminists and underneath there is a woman who longs to be a sex object. The difference is that is not all she wants to be.

    ~ Betty Rollin


Re: NVDA Remote

Luke Davis
 

Brian Vogel wrote:

It sounds like the step before the one quoted is what sets
up whichever machine you perform it on is what sets up a local NVDA Remote server within the LAN.  But if you use "controlled" in the above instruction,
does that make the "server machine" pretty much it's own self-contained go-between server, as well as being controllable by the other machine?
Server vs. Client, and Controlled vs. Controller, are independent conditions from each other.

Just as a client machine can be controlled or the controller via an internet connection through nvdaremote.com, a local server mode setting on the add-on does not effect whether it is controlled or the controller.

I tried both of these during this sequence of emails, and with a single machine as server, I was both able to control it remotely, and cause it to control, the remote client.

All very straight forward, once you divorce the controlled/controlling concept from the client/server concept in your head.

The problem is that we tend to think of the machine doing the controlling as the client, and the machine being controlled as the server. But that is entirely arbitrary.

In fact the controller and the controlled are both clients of the server. In this case, the server just happens to be built into the client, so that the client to server path at one end is very short, and user-transparent.

At least, that's my practical understanding of it. Tyler can say if that's not how it really works internally.

Luke


Re: NVDA Remote

Luke Davis
 

Luke Davis wrote:

Next set the "external IP address" to your machine's LAN IP address. That'll be something like 192.168.1.50 or 10.2.3.4 or some such.
Actually, that step is unnecessary on the server side, unless you're doing this over the internet. Sorry.

Luke


Re: NVDA Remote

 

On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 11:15 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Then, set the radio box for whether you want this machine to be the controller or the controlled.
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Luke,

First, thanks for the instructions.

Now, if you would, can you clear something up for me.  It sounds like the step before the one quoted is what sets up whichever machine you perform it on is what sets up a local NVDA Remote server within the LAN.  But if you use "controlled" in the above instruction, does that make the "server machine" pretty much it's own self-contained go-between server, as well as being controllable by the other machine?

I'm trying to understand how the controlled versus controller option would work in this context.

If it's completely separate from the server function, then it makes sense to me that the machine that's acting as the local server could be either the controller machine for the other, or the other machine would be controller and the server itself controlled from it.

It's really interesting that it's this easy to set up a local (as in contained within the same LAN) NVDA Remote server.
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Scratch most feminists and underneath there is a woman who longs to be a sex object. The difference is that is not all she wants to be.

    ~ Betty Rollin


Re: NVDA Remote

Luke Davis
 

Brian Vogel wrote:

Not unless you set up your own NVDA Remote Server (which can be done, but I can't give step-by-step details) within your own LAN space.There is always an
NVDA Remote Server acting as go-between, but where it happens to be located doesn't matter.  So if the server is on equipment in your own LAN, and you
connect to that server, then, yes.  Otherwise, no.
I'm sorry Brian, but this is incorrect, on all counts.

This is what the server mode of the NVDA Remote add-on is for. See my other message. No intermediate service required.

Server mode exists to allow two copies of NVDA Remote to connect directly with each other, either on the local network, or via the internet, if you open the proper port in your firewall(s).

It is the NVDA Remote equivalent of a cross-over cable in networking.

Luke


Re: NVDA Remote

Luke Davis
 

Glenn / Lenny wrote:

I am wondering if there is a way to remote two computers both running NVDA,
together in the same local network, without going through nvdaremote?
In other words, keep the connection within my LAN?
Yes, quite easily.

When you go to the NVDA remote Connect dialog (NVDA+N, T, E, C), set the first option to "server" instead of "client". It's a radio box, just press down arrow to change it.

Then, set the radio box for whether you want this machine to be the controller or the controlled.

Next set the "external IP address" to your machine's LAN IP address. That'll be something like 192.168.1.50 or 10.2.3.4 or some such.

Last, set the key as usual.

Then press OK.

On the other machine, set it up as normal (client mode), and set the NVDA Remote server to that same IP address as above, and the key to the same key.

Press OK, and you're done.

If you want to keep those settings on the server side, use the NVDA Remote options dialog to remember them.

Luke


Re: NVDA beta

Sarah k Alawami
 

Lol. I can hardly understand those unless I concentrate. I have used them in nvda but for me and my broken ears those sapi voices will not work

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2022 6:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA beta

 

Before you decide whether to purchase voices, don't overlook the Microsoft One Core Voices.  The ones on my machine, three American voices, have better speech than the Vocalizer voices.  I haven't tried other voices but I think the voices, at least the ones I've heard, deserve more attention.

Gene

On 4/5/2022 5:46 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Respectfully, you might not have seen this in my initial response, but again, Vocalizer is not the easiest for me to understand. I wanted to possibly purchase it earlier, yes, that's true, but it would only be used as a backup as a last resort in case some reason Eloquence from CF was to spaz out on me.


Chris.

On 4/5/2022 6:30 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:

Vocalizer and Vocalizer Expressive from Tiflotecnia are already ready to NVDA 2022.1...


Cumprimentos,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 23:10 de 05/04/2022, Christopher-Mark Gilland escreveu:

Please tell me you're kidding! If so, there went my days of using NVDA, as though a lot say ESpeak is very clear, I have a profound hearing loss, and I do mean, profound. Like, 75 percent loss in one ear, and 80 in the other. Even with my hearing aids, I cannot understand ESpeak. Even Vocalizer is somewhat difficult. That's the main reason I bought the CF version of Eloquence. Obviously, I want to be legit! That's about the only synth I'm able to understand. I know a lot hate it worth a purple and pink passion, but it's what since the very very very early 2000's I've grown used to, so now, unfortunately, it's about all I can understand.


Please devs, don't do this, if so! You'll definitely lose a user if you do, and I'd hate that.


Chris.

On 4/5/2022 5:59 PM, Don H wrote:

So it appears that the latest beta of NVDA will not work with the code factory vocalizer/eleoquinse addon. Is this going to be true when the next released version of NVDA is available?

















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Re: NVDA beta

Gene
 

Before you decide whether to purchase voices, don't overlook the Microsoft One Core Voices.  The ones on my machine, three American voices, have better speech than the Vocalizer voices.  I haven't tried other voices but I think the voices, at least the ones I've heard, deserve more attention.

Gene

On 4/5/2022 5:46 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
Respectfully, you might not have seen this in my initial response, but again, Vocalizer is not the easiest for me to understand. I wanted to possibly purchase it earlier, yes, that's true, but it would only be used as a backup as a last resort in case some reason Eloquence from CF was to spaz out on me.


Chris.

On 4/5/2022 6:30 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Vocalizer and Vocalizer Expressive from Tiflotecnia are already ready to NVDA 2022.1...


Cumprimentos,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 23:10 de 05/04/2022, Christopher-Mark Gilland escreveu:
Please tell me you're kidding! If so, there went my days of using NVDA, as though a lot say ESpeak is very clear, I have a profound hearing loss, and I do mean, profound. Like, 75 percent loss in one ear, and 80 in the other. Even with my hearing aids, I cannot understand ESpeak. Even Vocalizer is somewhat difficult. That's the main reason I bought the CF version of Eloquence. Obviously, I want to be legit! That's about the only synth I'm able to understand. I know a lot hate it worth a purple and pink passion, but it's what since the very very very early 2000's I've grown used to, so now, unfortunately, it's about all I can understand.


Please devs, don't do this, if so! You'll definitely lose a user if you do, and I'd hate that.


Chris.

On 4/5/2022 5:59 PM, Don H wrote:
So it appears that the latest beta of NVDA will not work with the code factory vocalizer/eleoquinse addon. Is this going to be true when the next released version of NVDA is available?




















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Re: NVDA beta

Gene
 

Code Factory should issue an update to the add-on, as they have done in the past.  It may not be issued for a short time after the new version is released.  You can continue to use the old version of NVDA until the new add-on is released.  Of course, you can continue to use it afterwards as well if you wish using the current add-on. 

Gene

On 4/5/2022 4:59 PM, Don H wrote:
So it appears that the latest beta of NVDA will not work with the code factory vocalizer/eleoquinse addon.  Is this going to be true when the next released version of NVDA is available?





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Re: NVDA beta

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

Yeah, I hear ya, but I'm just not entirely sure that's a good move to make. That could make NVDA really really huge, and for some people, it may even make it seem overwhelmingly complicated to use. I like the KISS method very much here. Then, if you want more, then you have that option available as needed/wanted.


Chris.

On 4/5/2022 7:39 PM, Don H wrote:
Maybe another idea is to have a review of the most popular addons to see
if it would be a good idea to incorporate them into the NVDA code.

On 4/5/2022 6:33 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 07:27 PM, Don H wrote:

    I would hope that the NVDA developers do their best to not break
    addon's while at the same time keep NVDA moving in the right direction.

-
That depends entirely on who created a given add-on, and why, and with
what intended audience.

What people need to understand is that it is always possible that an
add-on may be abandoned/orphaned, and particularly those whose history
is of the "it was created for my personal use and began making the
rounds" type.

And there are developers of some very popular add-ons who have never
even given a thought to a transition plan whereby the add-on would be
handed off to someone else were they to decide to want to walk away from
it.

These pieces of software are gifts to the community, but they don't
carry an obligation that the person that gifted them must remain
dedicated to that add-on until the day they die.  There are occasions,
and it's typically not for commercially produced add-ons, where an
add-on will be abandoned.
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Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

Scratch most feminists and underneath there is a woman who longs to be a
sex object. The difference is that is not */all/* she wants to be.

~ Betty Rollin




Re: NVDA beta

Rui Fontes
 

One advantage is the nature of free software...

I have taken care of some add-ons abandonned by the devellopers and I will try to take care of some more... if I have time, and essentially knowledge to that...


Rui Fontes


Às 00:33 de 06/04/2022, Brian Vogel escreveu:

On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 07:27 PM, Don H wrote:
I would hope that the NVDA developers do their best to not break addon's while at the same time keep NVDA moving in the right direction.
-
That depends entirely on who created a given add-on, and why, and with what intended audience.

What people need to understand is that it is always possible that an add-on may be abandoned/orphaned, and particularly those whose history is of the "it was created for my personal use and began making the rounds" type.

And there are developers of some very popular add-ons who have never even given a thought to a transition plan whereby the add-on would be handed off to someone else were they to decide to want to walk away from it.  

These pieces of software are gifts to the community, but they don't carry an obligation that the person that gifted them must remain dedicated to that add-on until the day they die.  There are occasions, and it's typically not for commercially produced add-ons, where an add-on will be abandoned.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Scratch most feminists and underneath there is a woman who longs to be a sex object. The difference is that is not all she wants to be.

    ~ Betty Rollin


Re: NVDA beta

 

On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 07:41 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:

NV Access is trying, and so far, accomplishing, to only break compatibility in the first release of each year...

 

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But that's new, relatively speaking.  I can't remember when it was I entered the NVDA world, but for several years after I had this was not the case.  Thus, for anyone who's been in the NVDA world for quite a while, there has been a distinct uptick in frequency of backward compatibility breaking releases.

I agree that NVAccess is giving plenty of notice, far more than would be necessary for most add-on developers to be able to prepare the necessary add-on changes, if they so choose.  But that's the point, it's the add-on developers who make this choice.  NVAccess should not be expected to freeze NVDA development, ever, and for any dynamic software there will be occasional backward compatibility breaking releases.

This is one of the reasons for the NVDA Group rule that only supported versions of all software are permitted to be discussed on this group.  It really is imperative in this day and age to keep up-to-date.  Whether any individual accepts that, and follows that practice, doesn't change the core truth of that need.
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Scratch most feminists and underneath there is a woman who longs to be a sex object. The difference is that is not all she wants to be.

    ~ Betty Rollin


Re: NVDA beta

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

Aaa! O, Kayyyy. Weiu! That's a releaf! I actually already do own the Sapi5 Eloquence, so I'm fine then.


I apologize profusely, guys! I was under the impression that the original poster meant the Sapi5 version wouldn't even work. My bad.


Carry on, and don't mind me. LOL! Just kidding.


Chris.

On 4/5/2022 7:46 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Hello!


Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
I also kind of am curious. I thought that the version from Code Factory was Sapi 5.

CodeFactory have Eloquence as SAPI5 and as a NVDA add-on, working only with NVDA, and the same for Vocalizer...



Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote

By the time it is deployed as stable, it may be working by then. I'm not ready yet to pannick, but certainly this is something worth considering.

If you are planning to buy Eloquence in SAPI5 you don't need to panic... It still work as expected...

Rui Fontes






Re: NVDA beta

Rui Fontes
 

That will be an impossible task!


Rui Fontes


Às 00:27 de 06/04/2022, Don H escreveu:

I would hope that the NVDA developers do their best to not break addon's
while at the same time keep NVDA moving in the right direction.

On 4/5/2022 5:45 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 06:19 PM, Don H wrote:

    It just seems that more and more of the most recent NVDA updates
    break such things as addon's

-
That perception is actual reality.

Over the last couple of years there has been some major "under the hood"
updating going on in the NVDA core code.  That's been plainly announced,
well ahead of time, along with the fact that these changes will cause
breaks in add-on compatibility if the add-on developers do not keep up.
This is not unique to NVDA and third party add-ons.

We've seen this with NVDA and JAWS over the years as major updates were
occurring in Windows, too.  I can recall (and not just for screen
readers) how many things "broke" in the early days of Windows 10 because
the various software houses essentially did nothing to prepare for that
release ahead of time and played catch up afterward.

We see it, and it's almost impossible to avoid, with web browsing and
screen readers not infrequently as new parts of web coding come into
existence, sometimes with minimal warning.

We are now in the age of everything "as a service" and that means that
something, probably Windows primarily, and its update cadence will be
driving the cadences of lots of other stuff.  But once you get into
something like NVDA and its add-ons, the major updates to NVDA will
dictate the cadence of updates to add-ons if those add-ons are still
supported.

There can be, and almost certainly will be, periods of time where NVDA
itself and its add-ons have relatively long plateau periods where major
updates and backward compatibility breaking will not be occurring.  But
that time is not now, and as far as I can see there are some add-ons
that may very well become orphans and only work up to a given NVDA
version, because their original developers have lost interest and no one
else has picked up the ball to run with it.

And as disconcerting as that may be, I'd certainly not propose that NVDA
stop its ongoing development, some of which involves backward
compatibility breaking releases, because any given add-on might become
an orphan.  NVDA's ongoing viability depends on it continuing to be
worked on as the ecosystem in which it is immersed continues to change.
To do otherwise means that NVDA will cease to exist as a viable screen
reader in the Windows sphere.
--

Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

Scratch most feminists and underneath there is a woman who longs to be a
sex object. The difference is that is not */all/* she wants to be.

~ Betty Rollin




Re: NVDA beta

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!


Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
I also kind of am curious. I thought that the version from Code Factory was Sapi 5.

CodeFactory have Eloquence as SAPI5 and as a NVDA add-on, working only with NVDA, and the same for Vocalizer...



Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote

By the time it is deployed as stable, it may be working by then. I'm not ready yet to pannick, but certainly this is something worth considering.

If you are planning to buy Eloquence in SAPI5 you don't need to panic... It still work as expected...

Rui Fontes

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