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Re: single quick nav shortcut

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Brian,

 

Websites like Youtube use quick key shortcuts, so there is an argument for it. You can turn off the quick nav keys  without turning off browse mode. I quite like it. JAWS does it too.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 09 April 2022 18:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] single quick nav shortcut

 

On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 01:09 PM, Jacob Kruger wrote:

NVDA key + shift + space will toggle single letter navigation on/off,

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Can someone explain why one would want to do this?

I'm sure it's a complete lack of situational imagination on my part, but I'm trying to conceive of one where it would be preferable to have single-letter navigation turned off in browse mode when using a web browser.
 
[Aside: I'm really coming to the conclusion that laptop layout should be avoided when possible, and I know it's not always possible, but on any laptop that has a full keyboard with numberpad, I'd be using desktop layout.]
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Re: single quick nav shortcut

Sarah k Alawami
 

If you don’t want to toggle into focus mode to read something you can simply toggle off qn is how I look at it. Hope this helps.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2022 10:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] single quick nav shortcut

 

On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 01:09 PM, Jacob Kruger wrote:

NVDA key + shift + space will toggle single letter navigation on/off,

-
Can someone explain why one would want to do this?

I'm sure it's a complete lack of situational imagination on my part, but I'm trying to conceive of one where it would be preferable to have single-letter navigation turned off in browse mode when using a web browser.
 
[Aside: I'm really coming to the conclusion that laptop layout should be avoided when possible, and I know it's not always possible, but on any laptop that has a full keyboard with numberpad, I'd be using desktop layout.]
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    ~ Betty Rollin


Re: single quick nav shortcut

 

On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 01:09 PM, Jacob Kruger wrote:
NVDA key + shift + space will toggle single letter navigation on/off,
-
Can someone explain why one would want to do this?

I'm sure it's a complete lack of situational imagination on my part, but I'm trying to conceive of one where it would be preferable to have single-letter navigation turned off in browse mode when using a web browser.
 
[Aside: I'm really coming to the conclusion that laptop layout should be avoided when possible, and I know it's not always possible, but on any laptop that has a full keyboard with numberpad, I'd be using desktop layout.]
--

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    ~ Betty Rollin


Re: creating mailing lists in thunderbird

 

Does the Address Book you have open actually have entries in it?  If not, you may not be presented with an option to create a new Address List.

If it does, if ALT + F, N, L  [File Menu, New, Address List] doesn't open the dialog to create a new address list, I'd report something to the Thunderbird folks unless, by some bizarre chance, NVDA is not detecting that this dialog has opened.  And even if that's the case, it could still be an Thunderbird bug or NVDA bug.  Both sides would probably want to take a look.

I'm using Tbird 98, as I don't want to update to the beta for 100.  This functionality has been the same for a very long time, and I don't imagine any major change should have taken place between versions 98 and 100 in that regard, but I cannot be 100% certain, either.
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Re: single quick nav shortcut

Jacob Kruger
 

NVDA key + shift + space will toggle single letter navigation on/off, so, if you are using the caps-lock key as NVDA key, and accidentally activate the shift key at the same time, then when you complete the combination with the space bar, you can toggle single letter navigation on or off.


Stay well


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On 2022-04-09 07:02 PM, JinYoun wrote:
Hi, lately I've been having issues with accidentally turning off single quick nav  and could not find how to turn it back on without restarting NVDA... I looked through the list of shortcut for NVDA and could not find it there either.
This happens when I am toggling between focus and browse mode by pressing caps lock and the space bar and not sure what 'm pressing to turn off single quick nav...
Appreciate any tips on this. 


creating mailing lists in thunderbird

Rich Caloggero
 

How does one do this?


The instructions in tthunderbird help suggest that the file \ new menu, when the addressbook is open, will contain an entry to do this. However, when I open the addressbook with control+shift+b or by activating tools \ addressBook, and look at the file \ new menu, I get the same items that I find in that menu when the addressbook is not open.


I'm using thunderbird 100.0B1.


Anyone have any ideas?


I've posted on the thunderbird help forum, and some helpful person there reiterated the instructions I already found online. This suggests that NVDA, for some reason, isn't properly reading the menubar.


Thanx.

 -- Rich



single quick nav shortcut

JinYoun
 

Hi, lately I've been having issues with accidentally turning off single quick nav  and could not find how to turn it back on without restarting NVDA... I looked through the list of shortcut for NVDA and could not find it there either.
This happens when I am toggling between focus and browse mode by pressing caps lock and the space bar and not sure what 'm pressing to turn off single quick nav...
Appreciate any tips on this. 


Re: SayAll not auto reading in Chrome

 

Hi,

Chrome support is divided into several parts, of these the important parts are virtual buffers and IAccessible2. Virtual buffer requires NVDA to inject part of itself to Chrome to find out what's going on with the document and to consume the virtual buffer (browse mode) content, and IAccessible2 (IA2) is used to handle accessibility information provided by Chrome (obviously that depends on how web authors and frameworks coded their documents). NVDA would wait for the web document to be ready completely before starting say all, but it looks like with the change to Chrome 100, NV Access might be a taking a different approach to restore automatic say all on page load (we can go on for days talking about the basics of browse mode/virtual buffer internals).

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: SayAll not auto reading in Chrome

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Jean,

 

You’d think so, but not NVDA it appears.

 

I have tested JAWS, Supernova, System Access and Narrator, and they all auto read with Chrome, so it seems odd that NVDA doesn’t. I wonder why it relies on that particular event?

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 08 April 2022 15:58
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] SayAll not auto reading in Chrome

 

I had assumed that the screen-reader read automatically based on some way the browser knew the document was fully loaded and not on a specific notification to the screen-reader from the browser.  Doesn't the browser somehow know internally when a page is loaded?

Gene

On 4/8/2022 7:49 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

If it is Chrome 100, then it confirms the following issue:

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/13571

In short, the issue is caused by NVDA waiting for a specific event to occur which does not occur in Chromium 100 (affecting Chrome and Edge), and according to a technical overview by Mick Curran from NV Access (Mick is the creator and head NVDA developer, by the way), an event which NVDA hasn't responded for some years is now used by Chromium 100 to tell observers (screen readers, in this case) that the webpage is loaded completely (this event is appropriately named "document load complete"). A fix is indeed in the works - not sure in which NVDA release this will be part of.

Cheers,

Joseph

 


Re: SayAll not auto reading in Chrome

Gene
 

I had assumed that the screen-reader read automatically based on some way the browser knew the document was fully loaded and not on a specific notification to the screen-reader from the browser.  Doesn't the browser somehow know internally when a page is loaded?

Gene

On 4/8/2022 7:49 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

If it is Chrome 100, then it confirms the following issue:

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/13571

In short, the issue is caused by NVDA waiting for a specific event to occur which does not occur in Chromium 100 (affecting Chrome and Edge), and according to a technical overview by Mick Curran from NV Access (Mick is the creator and head NVDA developer, by the way), an event which NVDA hasn't responded for some years is now used by Chromium 100 to tell observers (screen readers, in this case) that the webpage is loaded completely (this event is appropriately named "document load complete"). A fix is indeed in the works - not sure in which NVDA release this will be part of.

Cheers,

Joseph



Re: SayAll not auto reading in Chrome

Gene
 

I have the same thing happen.  I seldom use Chrome but I tested now.

Gene

On 4/8/2022 7:00 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

I have it checked, and it still doesn’t work.

 

Have you tried it with Chrome Jean? NVDA doesn’t speak anything when you load a page in Chrome automatically.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 03 April 2022 13:48
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] SayAll not auto reading in Chrome

 

Have you rebooted since the problem began?  If that didn't solve the problem, try the following:

Open the browse mode dialog, control NVDA key b.
Tab until you get to say all on page load or similar wording.
It is a check box.
Check it with the space bar if it is unchecked.  Then press enter.  If the check box is already checked, uncheck it, then press enter.
Then, open the browse mode dialog again, tab to the check box, check it and press enter. 
See if that solves the problem.

Sometimes, if a setting in a program is lost, changing the setting, then changing it back to what it was will restore it.

Gene

On 4/3/2022 7:36 AM, John Sanfilippo wrote:

I'm running Windows 11, NVDA 2021.3.5, and I don't what version of Google Chrome. For the past few days, whenever I open any page, it does not auto read, I must press NVDA plus a.

Has something changed?

John

 



Re: SayAll not auto reading in Chrome

 

Hi,

If it is Chrome 100, then it confirms the following issue:

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/13571

In short, the issue is caused by NVDA waiting for a specific event to occur which does not occur in Chromium 100 (affecting Chrome and Edge), and according to a technical overview by Mick Curran from NV Access (Mick is the creator and head NVDA developer, by the way), an event which NVDA hasn't responded for some years is now used by Chromium 100 to tell observers (screen readers, in this case) that the webpage is loaded completely (this event is appropriately named "document load complete"). A fix is indeed in the works - not sure in which NVDA release this will be part of.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: SayAll not auto reading in Chrome

Steve Nutt
 

I have it checked, and it still doesn’t work.

 

Have you tried it with Chrome Jean? NVDA doesn’t speak anything when you load a page in Chrome automatically.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 03 April 2022 13:48
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] SayAll not auto reading in Chrome

 

Have you rebooted since the problem began?  If that didn't solve the problem, try the following:

Open the browse mode dialog, control NVDA key b.
Tab until you get to say all on page load or similar wording.
It is a check box.
Check it with the space bar if it is unchecked.  Then press enter.  If the check box is already checked, uncheck it, then press enter.
Then, open the browse mode dialog again, tab to the check box, check it and press enter. 
See if that solves the problem.

Sometimes, if a setting in a program is lost, changing the setting, then changing it back to what it was will restore it.

Gene

On 4/3/2022 7:36 AM, John Sanfilippo wrote:

I'm running Windows 11, NVDA 2021.3.5, and I don't what version of Google Chrome. For the past few days, whenever I open any page, it does not auto read, I must press NVDA plus a.

Has something changed?

John

 


Re: SayAll not auto reading in Chrome

Steve Nutt
 

I can also reproduce this.

 

All the best

 

All the best


Steve


Steve

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Sanfilippo
Sent: 03 April 2022 13:36
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] SayAll not auto reading in Chrome

 

I'm running Windows 11, NVDA 2021.3.5, and I don't what version of Google Chrome. For the past few days, whenever I open any page, it does not auto read, I must press NVDA plus a.

Has something changed?

John


Re: A question about Paltalk and NVDA

Pierpaolo Tieri account ufficiale
 

Thanks very much.

Il 08/04/2022 02:46, Quentin Christensen ha scritto:
I'm not familiar with it and can't find any information on how it works with NVDA.  Actually I found one reference on this page: http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda_road_tested_programs.html Indicating that it is "Accessible using the numeric numberpad".  At a guess, what they mean there is that when they tested it (not sure when?), you needed to use NVDA's object navigation to access at least some aspects of it.

If you are familiar with Object Navigation, you can find the keystrokes in the User Guide: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#NavigatingWithNVDA

If you have never used the review cursor or object navigation, while the user guide will give you the keystrokes, I'd strongly recommend following the topics in "Basic Training for NVDA" as they are more comprehensive as a training resource on those features: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Apr 8, 2022 at 2:54 AM Pierpaolo Tieri account ufficiale <pierpaolotieriofficial@...> wrote:
Hi everyone,

I'm Pierpaolo Tieri, I'm from Italy.

I would like to ask a thing: I know a platform called Paltalk messenger
and I would like to know if is there an addon for this program.

I used with JAWS but I unistalled because I don't like anymore.

I would like to know if someone tested this application because I would
like to hang out with Italian friends and to practice my English.

Thanks, Pierpaolo Tieri.








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Re: A question about Paltalk and NVDA

Pierpaolo Tieri account ufficiale
 

I tried but I don't receive answers.

Il 08/04/2022 01:02, Brian Vogel ha scritto:

Pierpaolo,

I don't know if you're aware of it, but there exists a very active NVDA group for speakers of Italian:  
nvda-it / Lista di discussione su NVDA
Lista di discussione in italiano riguardo lo screen reader NVDA, appartenente al sito www.nvda.it

My guess is that you may get a faster answer with regard to this question on that group.  
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Re: A question about Paltalk and NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

I couldn't find a date on the website so had no idea how old it was.  I just had another look and realised in one or two places they refer to 2013 - eg "In the next upcoming version of NVDA 2013.2..." - parts of the page may have been updated after that, but that does indicate it is likely 9 years old...


On Fri, Apr 8, 2022 at 12:42 PM hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi


When the reference to paltalk went up there it was tested by people in the community.

So there would of been a person or 2 using it at that time.


Just downloaded the desk top program to my pc and set it up the app is crap now.


They might of been referring to the website? or the app might of been more accessible back then.

If the website part is accessible who ever might use it now let us know and I can reference it there and also say the app is inaccessible now.

Gene nz


On 8/04/2022 12:46 pm, Quentin Christensen wrote:
I'm not familiar with it and can't find any information on how it works with NVDA.  Actually I found one reference on this page: http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda_road_tested_programs.html Indicating that it is "Accessible using the numeric numberpad".  At a guess, what they mean there is that when they tested it (not sure when?), you needed to use NVDA's object navigation to access at least some aspects of it.

If you are familiar with Object Navigation, you can find the keystrokes in the User Guide: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#NavigatingWithNVDA

If you have never used the review cursor or object navigation, while the user guide will give you the keystrokes, I'd strongly recommend following the topics in "Basic Training for NVDA" as they are more comprehensive as a training resource on those features: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Apr 8, 2022 at 2:54 AM Pierpaolo Tieri account ufficiale <pierpaolotieriofficial@...> wrote:
Hi everyone,

I'm Pierpaolo Tieri, I'm from Italy.

I would like to ask a thing: I know a platform called Paltalk messenger
and I would like to know if is there an addon for this program.

I used with JAWS but I unistalled because I don't like anymore.

I would like to know if someone tested this application because I would
like to hang out with Italian friends and to practice my English.

Thanks, Pierpaolo Tieri.








--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager



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Training and Support Manager


Re: A question about Paltalk and NVDA

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


When the reference to paltalk went up there it was tested by people in the community.

So there would of been a person or 2 using it at that time.


Just downloaded the desk top program to my pc and set it up the app is crap now.


They might of been referring to the website? or the app might of been more accessible back then.

If the website part is accessible who ever might use it now let us know and I can reference it there and also say the app is inaccessible now.

Gene nz


On 8/04/2022 12:46 pm, Quentin Christensen wrote:
I'm not familiar with it and can't find any information on how it works with NVDA.  Actually I found one reference on this page: http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda_road_tested_programs.html Indicating that it is "Accessible using the numeric numberpad".  At a guess, what they mean there is that when they tested it (not sure when?), you needed to use NVDA's object navigation to access at least some aspects of it.

If you are familiar with Object Navigation, you can find the keystrokes in the User Guide: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#NavigatingWithNVDA

If you have never used the review cursor or object navigation, while the user guide will give you the keystrokes, I'd strongly recommend following the topics in "Basic Training for NVDA" as they are more comprehensive as a training resource on those features: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Apr 8, 2022 at 2:54 AM Pierpaolo Tieri account ufficiale <pierpaolotieriofficial@...> wrote:
Hi everyone,

I'm Pierpaolo Tieri, I'm from Italy.

I would like to ask a thing: I know a platform called Paltalk messenger
and I would like to know if is there an addon for this program.

I used with JAWS but I unistalled because I don't like anymore.

I would like to know if someone tested this application because I would
like to hang out with Italian friends and to practice my English.

Thanks, Pierpaolo Tieri.








--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: A question about Paltalk and NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

I'm not familiar with it and can't find any information on how it works with NVDA.  Actually I found one reference on this page: http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda_road_tested_programs.html Indicating that it is "Accessible using the numeric numberpad".  At a guess, what they mean there is that when they tested it (not sure when?), you needed to use NVDA's object navigation to access at least some aspects of it.

If you are familiar with Object Navigation, you can find the keystrokes in the User Guide: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#NavigatingWithNVDA

If you have never used the review cursor or object navigation, while the user guide will give you the keystrokes, I'd strongly recommend following the topics in "Basic Training for NVDA" as they are more comprehensive as a training resource on those features: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Apr 8, 2022 at 2:54 AM Pierpaolo Tieri account ufficiale <pierpaolotieriofficial@...> wrote:
Hi everyone,

I'm Pierpaolo Tieri, I'm from Italy.

I would like to ask a thing: I know a platform called Paltalk messenger
and I would like to know if is there an addon for this program.

I used with JAWS but I unistalled because I don't like anymore.

I would like to know if someone tested this application because I would
like to hang out with Italian friends and to practice my English.

Thanks, Pierpaolo Tieri.








--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: A question about Paltalk and NVDA

 

Pierpaolo,

I don't know if you're aware of it, but there exists a very active NVDA group for speakers of Italian:  
nvda-it / Lista di discussione su NVDA
Lista di discussione in italiano riguardo lo screen reader NVDA, appartenente al sito www.nvda.it

My guess is that you may get a faster answer with regard to this question on that group.  
--

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Scratch most feminists and underneath there is a woman who longs to be a sex object. The difference is that is not all she wants to be.

    ~ Betty Rollin

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