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Re: Odd issue with NVDA and windows 11

Armando Maldonado
 

Hello, I have not yet, but will do this next, thanks.

armando

On 4/21/2022 2:00 PM, Gene wrote:
Have you had a sighted person look at the screen?  There may be something occurring the screen-reader is unable to show you except that it shows its progress.

Gene

On 4/21/2022 3:31 PM, Armando Maldonado wrote:

Hello, No to your questions, it just does this even when pc is idle. I'v eeven restored Windows to no avail, thanks.

On 4/21/2022 1:03 PM, Gene wrote:
I don't think this is an NVDA problem.  I think something is going on in Windows or a Windows program that is causing a progress bar to be displayed and NVDA is reading it.  If you alt tab around, do you see any window that gives any idea of what it might be?  Also, did this behavior start after any event, such as after updates were installed or after you installed a program?

Gene

On 4/21/2022 11:13 AM, Armando Maldonado wrote:

Hello,

Using latest build of NVDA along with Windows 11, I'm noticing that all of a sudden on its own, it reads progress bars. I am wondering if there's a way to turn this off, or what can be causing such behavior? The only way I get rid of this is if I turn off progress bar announcements, any help would be grately appreciated. Thanks.

Armando




Re: Odd issue with NVDA and windows 11

Gene
 

Have you had a sighted person look at the screen?  There may be something occurring the screen-reader is unable to show you except that it shows its progress.

Gene

On 4/21/2022 3:31 PM, Armando Maldonado wrote:

Hello, No to your questions, it just does this even when pc is idle. I'v eeven restored Windows to no avail, thanks.

On 4/21/2022 1:03 PM, Gene wrote:
I don't think this is an NVDA problem.  I think something is going on in Windows or a Windows program that is causing a progress bar to be displayed and NVDA is reading it.  If you alt tab around, do you see any window that gives any idea of what it might be?  Also, did this behavior start after any event, such as after updates were installed or after you installed a program?

Gene

On 4/21/2022 11:13 AM, Armando Maldonado wrote:

Hello,

Using latest build of NVDA along with Windows 11, I'm noticing that all of a sudden on its own, it reads progress bars. I am wondering if there's a way to turn this off, or what can be causing such behavior? The only way I get rid of this is if I turn off progress bar announcements, any help would be grately appreciated. Thanks.

Armando




Re: Odd issue with NVDA and windows 11

Armando Maldonado
 

Hello, No to your questions, it just does this even when pc is idle. I'v eeven restored Windows to no avail, thanks.

On 4/21/2022 1:03 PM, Gene wrote:
I don't think this is an NVDA problem.  I think something is going on in Windows or a Windows program that is causing a progress bar to be displayed and NVDA is reading it.  If you alt tab around, do you see any window that gives any idea of what it might be?  Also, did this behavior start after any event, such as after updates were installed or after you installed a program?

Gene

On 4/21/2022 11:13 AM, Armando Maldonado wrote:

Hello,

Using latest build of NVDA along with Windows 11, I'm noticing that all of a sudden on its own, it reads progress bars. I am wondering if there's a way to turn this off, or what can be causing such behavior? The only way I get rid of this is if I turn off progress bar announcements, any help would be grately appreciated. Thanks.

Armando



Re: Odd issue with NVDA and windows 11

Gene
 

I don't think this is an NVDA problem.  I think something is going on in Windows or a Windows program that is causing a progress bar to be displayed and NVDA is reading it.  If you alt tab around, do you see any window that gives any idea of what it might be?  Also, did this behavior start after any event, such as after updates were installed or after you installed a program?

Gene

On 4/21/2022 11:13 AM, Armando Maldonado wrote:

Hello,

Using latest build of NVDA along with Windows 11, I'm noticing that all of a sudden on its own, it reads progress bars. I am wondering if there's a way to turn this off, or what can be causing such behavior? The only way I get rid of this is if I turn off progress bar announcements, any help would be grately appreciated. Thanks.

Armando



Re: Speech delay in Excel

Gene
 

I don't know why you are having the problem.  I don't know if the Eloquence add-on that you can purchase might cause this problem or if the SAPI 5 Eloquence might have this problem.

I would suggest trying another synthesizer to see if you still have the problem.  E-speak, being very responsive, despite how it sounds, would be a good test and it would be a good test because a lot of people would have that synthesizer available if they want to compare behavior on their machines.

Gene

On 4/21/2022 12:40 PM, David Hoff Jr wrote:
I am using:
1. Eloquence reed
2. Windows 7
3. Excel 2003
4. latest version of NVDA

I can remove the colon and the delay is still there.
If I remove the "#" sign the delay goes away.

The delay is slight, but long enough that I often cursor over it
accidentaly. If it were not for NVDA saying "cell" on the empty cells I
would not have caught this. I have punctuation set to the default
setting.


Re: drag and drop

farhan israk
 

Thank you. Unfortunately, public sample is not available. Here is url. https://lms.learnwise.wfglobal.org/IN/en/home


On Wed, 20 Apr 2022, 11:36 pm Dave Grossoehme, <dave@...> wrote:

Hi:  It's has been years since I used the method that I'm going to try and explain from my memory.  This would be a possibility to see if it works for you.  The numpad slash or divide as the nvda help calls it is your left mouse key.  Press the slash to bring it to your item, and the shift key pluss the numpad divide will lock the mouse button.  If you press the divide key to bring it to the item then try locking the mouse on the item you wish to move then go to the area in the box you wish to move the item to and press the shift key + the numpad divide to unlock the item from the mouse.  I've never tried this with today's nvda, but it worked years ago in other screen readers.  Good luck.

Dave


On 4/20/2022 10:41 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Gene,  Thanks.  As I suspected, if this is the site, it's members only.

One of the biggest issues with discussing drag and drop in general is that there are multiple ways it can be implemented and that has a direct impact on how screen readers may (or may not) successfully interact with it via emulated drag and drop.

Here are several different example pages that use different methods for anyone who wishes to play with them to try:

https://mdn.github.io/dom-examples/drag-and-drop/copy-move-DataTransfer.html 

https://mdn.github.io/dom-examples/drag-and-drop/copy-move-DataTransferItemList.html 

https://park.glitch.me 

I have done zero accessibility testing with them, either.

The above pages are in no way comprehensive in that there are other methods to implement drag and drop.  And I have no idea how the site Farhan wishes to use has chosen to implement its own drag and drop functionality.
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Re: please help with go to Meeting

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

The subscription address is chat+subscribe@nvda.groups.io.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Betsy Grenevitch
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2022 12:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] please help with go to Meeting

 

How do I sign up to be on the list or do you just write to it when you have a question?

 

 

On 4/21/2022 3:05 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Betsy,

 

The address for the chat group is chat@nvda.groups.io. That's where you can discuss programs like go to meeting and other things that aren't really NVDA-related.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Betsy Grenevitch
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2022 11:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] please help with go to Meeting

 

I am confused. Is that a different list? If so, what is to be discussed on this list and what is the address where you sign up for that list to which you refer? thanks.

 

On 4/21/2022 2:13 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Betsy,

Glad to hear you've found the notes you've needed.   Just a gentle reminder that questions about how to use applications, be they web applications or installed ones, are Chat Subgroup topics.

And I'm issuing this reminder more for the entire readership than for you, as we've now got a pretty good thing going where those who do have application specific questions have been posting them to the Chat Subgroup where extensive discussion can be had if needed.
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Re: please help with go to Meeting

Betsy Grenevitch
 

How do I sign up to be on the list or do you just write to it when you have a question?



On 4/21/2022 3:05 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Betsy,

 

The address for the chat group is chat@nvda.groups.io. That's where you can discuss programs like go to meeting and other things that aren't really NVDA-related.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Betsy Grenevitch
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2022 11:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] please help with go to Meeting

 

I am confused. Is that a different list? If so, what is to be discussed on this list and what is the address where you sign up for that list to which you refer? thanks.

 

On 4/21/2022 2:13 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Betsy,

Glad to hear you've found the notes you've needed.   Just a gentle reminder that questions about how to use applications, be they web applications or installed ones, are Chat Subgroup topics.

And I'm issuing this reminder more for the entire readership than for you, as we've now got a pretty good thing going where those who do have application specific questions have been posting them to the Chat Subgroup where extensive discussion can be had if needed.
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Re: please help with go to Meeting

Betsy Grenevitch
 

I am not trying to cause trouble but am trying to figure out why it is not NVDA related when it is NVDA I am using so I need commands that work with NVDA? Again, I not trying to cause problems but just do not get how that is not NVDA related.


Thanks for the address.

On 4/21/2022 3:05 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Betsy,

 

The address for the chat group is chat@nvda.groups.io. That's where you can discuss programs like go to meeting and other things that aren't really NVDA-related.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Betsy Grenevitch
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2022 11:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] please help with go to Meeting

 

I am confused. Is that a different list? If so, what is to be discussed on this list and what is the address where you sign up for that list to which you refer? thanks.

 

On 4/21/2022 2:13 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Betsy,

Glad to hear you've found the notes you've needed.   Just a gentle reminder that questions about how to use applications, be they web applications or installed ones, are Chat Subgroup topics.

And I'm issuing this reminder more for the entire readership than for you, as we've now got a pretty good thing going where those who do have application specific questions have been posting them to the Chat Subgroup where extensive discussion can be had if needed.
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Re: Formatting issues in Word, add-on?

Janet Brandly
 

Hi Sarah,
Thank you for the suggestion. I'll definitely consider it if I can't solve the problem with MS 365.
Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie
Sent: April 21, 2022 10:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Formatting issues in Word, add-on?

Janet, I'm just thinking out loud now, & that is always a dangerous thing for me, because, as my dad always used to tell me, thinking was beyond my pay grade. However, since I'm not being paid right now...

MS 365 is an online platform. I'm wondering if there's any possibility that the delay introduced by that is what is causing some or all of your problem.

I don't even know if this would interest you, but a possible solution at this time might be MS Office 2021 available through Stack Social for about $50 USD. Normally this runs about $350 USD, so it's a very good deal. & no, I don't have any affiliation w/them, financial or otherwise. I wouldn't wait long on this 1 though, if it's at all of interest. You can get it at:
https://www.stacksocial.com/sales/microsoft-office-professional-plus-2021-for-windows

If the online venue is indeed introducing transfer delays & causing your problems, then this might be a solution at a very reasonable price.

If you do get it, you'll want to go into tools > options & disable a lot of crap & fix up other options. That includes nuking the start screen, as it's a pain in the anatomy.

If this is totally off the wall, then please accept my apologies in advance. But you should probably realize that this is coming from someone who recently nuked a server because of online delays, ie, I wasn't where I thought I was. This happens w/everyone, but screen readers tend to make it more pronounced.

On 4/21/22, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
I thought she said the version of word the document was formatted was
1997-2003. Not the version of word. That is how I understood it anyway

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave
Grossoehme
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2022 7:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Formatting issues in Word, add-on?

Hii: The first message Janet sent, she said it was Word 97 / 103.
Which would make me think it is a version from either 1997 and up to
2003, which means that she isn't sure which version from back in that
time frame somewhere.

Dave


On 4/21/2022 4:01 AM, Luke Davis wrote:
Janet Brandly wrote:

Yes, when I toggle the underline and italics keys NVDA always says
that they are on. so I can’t trust it.
I don't think anyone asked or you said: what version of word? I.e.
16.something.something.something.
And are there any updates you can apply?

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Re: please help with go to Meeting

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Betsy,

 

The address for the chat group is chat@nvda.groups.io. That's where you can discuss programs like go to meeting and other things that aren't really NVDA-related.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Betsy Grenevitch
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2022 11:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] please help with go to Meeting

 

I am confused. Is that a different list? If so, what is to be discussed on this list and what is the address where you sign up for that list to which you refer? thanks.

 

On 4/21/2022 2:13 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Betsy,

Glad to hear you've found the notes you've needed.   Just a gentle reminder that questions about how to use applications, be they web applications or installed ones, are Chat Subgroup topics.

And I'm issuing this reminder more for the entire readership than for you, as we've now got a pretty good thing going where those who do have application specific questions have been posting them to the Chat Subgroup where extensive discussion can be had if needed.
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Re: please help with go to Meeting

Betsy Grenevitch
 

I am confused. Is that a different list? If so, what is to be discussed on this list and what is the address where you sign up for that list to which you refer? thanks.


On 4/21/2022 2:13 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Betsy,

Glad to hear you've found the notes you've needed.   Just a gentle reminder that questions about how to use applications, be they web applications or installed ones, are Chat Subgroup topics.

And I'm issuing this reminder more for the entire readership than for you, as we've now got a pretty good thing going where those who do have application specific questions have been posting them to the Chat Subgroup where extensive discussion can be had if needed.
--

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You can't crush ideas by suppressing them. You can only crush them by ignoring them.
     ~ Ursula LeGuin, The Dispossessed

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Re: please help with go to Meeting

 

Betsy,

Glad to hear you've found the notes you've needed.   Just a gentle reminder that questions about how to use applications, be they web applications or installed ones, are Chat Subgroup topics.

And I'm issuing this reminder more for the entire readership than for you, as we've now got a pretty good thing going where those who do have application specific questions have been posting them to the Chat Subgroup where extensive discussion can be had if needed.
--

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You can't crush ideas by suppressing them. You can only crush them by ignoring them.
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please help with go to Meeting

Betsy Grenevitch
 

I found my notes for Go to Meeting so do not need the help. I do not know why I could not find them sooner. thanks.


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Re: Speech delay in Excel

David Hoff Jr
 

I am using:
1. Eloquence reed
2. Windows 7
3. Excel 2003
4. latest version of NVDA

I can remove the colon and the delay is still there.
If I remove the "#" sign the delay goes away.

The delay is slight, but long enough that I often cursor over it
accidentaly. If it were not for NVDA saying "cell" on the empty cells I
would not have caught this. I have punctuation set to the default
setting.

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please help with go to Meeting

Betsy Grenevitch
 

I have no idea how to use Go to Meeting. Could someone please give me the mute and unmute commands?  Thank you so much.


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Re: Formatting issues in Word, add-on?

Jackie
 

Brian, good to know--I just learned something. Thank you. I guess I
thought it was like the online office MS offers since it said it was a
cloud subscription.

On 4/21/22, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 12:44 PM, Jackie wrote:


MS 365 is an online platform.
-
Not really.

Microsoft 365 can be thought of as akin to any other subscription software
in that there is an installed component and, so long as you're subscribed, a
perpetual update agreement.

Microsoft 365, and all the programs you have based on your subscription, are
resident on your machine and can be used whether you happen to have an
internet connection or not.  And that's dirt simple for anyone who has it to
test out.  Simply disconnect from the internet and try firing up any one of
the Office programs you have as part of an active Microsoft 365
subscription.

Just as you can log in to a Microsoft Account linked Windows 10 or 11
Account without any internet connection, you can use the Office programs
that come with M365 in that state, too.
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Re: Formatting issues in Word, add-on?

 

On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 12:44 PM, Jackie wrote:
MS 365 is an online platform.
-
Not really.

Microsoft 365 can be thought of as akin to any other subscription software in that there is an installed component and, so long as you're subscribed, a perpetual update agreement.

Microsoft 365, and all the programs you have based on your subscription, are resident on your machine and can be used whether you happen to have an internet connection or not.  And that's dirt simple for anyone who has it to test out.  Simply disconnect from the internet and try firing up any one of the Office programs you have as part of an active Microsoft 365 subscription.

Just as you can log in to a Microsoft Account linked Windows 10 or 11 Account without any internet connection, you can use the Office programs that come with M365 in that state, too.
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Re: Formatting issues in Word, add-on?

Jackie
 

Janet, I'm just thinking out loud now, & that is always a dangerous
thing for me, because, as my dad always used to tell me, thinking was
beyond my pay grade. However, since I'm not being paid right now...

MS 365 is an online platform. I'm wondering if there's any possibility
that the delay introduced by that is what is causing some or all of
your problem.

I don't even know if this would interest you, but a possible solution
at this time might be MS Office 2021 available through Stack Social
for about $50 USD. Normally this runs about $350 USD, so it's a very
good deal. & no, I don't have any affiliation w/them, financial or
otherwise. I wouldn't wait long on this 1 though, if it's at all of
interest. You can get it at:
https://www.stacksocial.com/sales/microsoft-office-professional-plus-2021-for-windows

If the online venue is indeed introducing transfer delays & causing
your problems, then this might be a solution at a very reasonable
price.

If you do get it, you'll want to go into tools > options & disable a
lot of crap & fix up other options. That includes nuking the start
screen, as it's a pain in the anatomy.

If this is totally off the wall, then please accept my apologies in
advance. But you should probably realize that this is coming from
someone who recently nuked a server because of online delays, ie, I
wasn't where I thought I was. This happens w/everyone, but screen
readers tend to make it more pronounced.

On 4/21/22, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
I thought she said the version of word the document was formatted was
1997-2003. Not the version of word. That is how I understood it anyway

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave
Grossoehme
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2022 7:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Formatting issues in Word, add-on?

Hii: The first message Janet sent, she said it was Word 97 / 103. Which
would make me think it is a version from either 1997 and up to 2003, which
means that she isn't sure which version from back in that time frame
somewhere.

Dave


On 4/21/2022 4:01 AM, Luke Davis wrote:
Janet Brandly wrote:

Yes, when I toggle the underline and italics keys NVDA always says
that they are on. so I can’t trust it.
I don't think anyone asked or you said: what version of word? I.e.
16.something.something.something.
And are there any updates you can apply?

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Re: Configuration profiles

Eilana Benish
 

Hi Luke
I tried the steps again as you suggested and it worked - thank you very much


‫בתאריך שבת, 16 באפר׳ 2022 ב-17:34 מאת ‪Luke Davis‬‏ <‪luke@...‬‏>:‬

What version of NVDA are you using?

Running the latest alpha, I did the following steps:

1. Checked that highlighting was off (NVDA+n, p, s, v, tab).

2. Created a new manually triggered profile called testprof. In the trigger for
editing dialog which appears as the last step in creation, I chose Yes.

3. I changed voice variant, to be sure that I could tell when this profile was
triggered by what the voice sounded like. That is an E-Speak thing; you could
use any other speech characteristic such as rate or volume, if you don't use
E-Speak.

4. I turned highlighting on (NVDA+n, p, s, v, tab, space, enter). While doing
so,
NVDA's configuration dialogs were telling me that I was editing the testprof
profile.

5. I switched back to the normal profile (NVDA+n, c, up arrow to top, enter). I
could tell that worked because the voice changed back; and I saved configuration
(NVDA+Ctrl+c).

6. I checked highlighting again and found that it had turned back off.

7. I switched back to testprof (NVDA+n, c, down arrow to testprof, enter), and
confirmed I was in it by hearing the voice change.

8. I checked highlighting again and found that it was turned on again.

9. I restarted NVDA, and confirmed that in the normal profile the highlighting
was off.

10. I switched to testprof and confirmed that highlighting was on.

11. I switched back to normal profile and confirmed that highlighting was off.

All of this seems to indicate that highlighting settings save in profiles as
expected with latest NVDA.

Oh, lastly I went back in, and set to use only system focus highlighting, as you
are trying to do, and confirmed that everything still worked as above. It does.

Luke








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