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Re: Looking for nvda friendly editors that support markdown and spell checking

 

On Fri, Apr 22, 2022 at 10:19 PM, Jackie wrote:
Well, this isn't exactly NVDA related, so I hope I don't get in trouble for this, but I think that Writemonkey, (write monkey),
available from: www.writemonkey.com will do precisely what you need.
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Jackie,

What you offered is "perfectly legal:"  Discussions about which programs are accessible using NVDA, NVDA add-ons, NVDA tutorials and documentation, and configuring synthesizers or Braille displays for use with NVDA are also permitted.

A question was asked about program options that are accessible with NVDA, and you've offered one  Were you to have gone into all the nuts and bolts of working with Writemonkey, it's commands and shortcuts, and the like I'd have suggested you take it to the Chat Subgroup.

There are frequent questions about what specific programs are accessible with NVDA, and the giving of options that fill that bill is a part of the group mission.

I seem to recall that Sarah A. is a huge fan of Markdown, too, so I expect she may chime in about what editor or editors she's using for Markdown that are also accessible with NVDA.
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Re: Looking for nvda friendly editors that support markdown and spell checking

Jackie
 

Well, this isn't exactly NVDA related, so I hope I don't get in
trouble for this, but I think that Writemonkey, (write monkey),
available from:
www.writemonkey.com
will do precisely what you need.

Get version 2, though, as version 3 isn't accessible. I'm afraid it's
kind of been abandoned now, but I just tested it, and the spellcheck
ignores the markdown symbols. It supports various types of markdown,
so pick your poison.

Also, it has a very funny splash screen when started, ie, when I
started it up this last time it told me:
"Dogs come when called; cats have answering machines."
So it's always good for a laugh, & who couldn't use more of that?

I'm going to say something here, & really really really might get in
trouble for it, but Markdown is a wonderful tool for blind folks
because it allows quite precise formatting of documents, or at least
those that don't have advanced requirements. We just had a fairly long
thread on this list about the trials and tribulations of formatting
documents using word processors. W/tools like Writemonkey and
Markdown, this becomes a breeze. I'm a real fangirl of Markdown, in
case you can't tell.

On 4/22/22, Pranav Lal <pranav@...> wrote:
Hi all,

I want to write in markdown. However, I am looking for a NVDA friendly
editor that supports spell checking. I do not want to constantly have to
ignore words that have the various markdown characters.

Yes, markdown can be written in any text editor but as far as I have
experienced, the spelling checkers flag the marked text as errors which is
understandable.

This requirement is for an article I am writing for a friend's blog. My
other option is to write the article in Microsoft word and then convert it
to markdown.

Pranav






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Looking for nvda friendly editors that support markdown and spell checking

Pranav Lal
 

Hi all,

I want to write in markdown. However, I am looking for a NVDA friendly
editor that supports spell checking. I do not want to constantly have to
ignore words that have the various markdown characters.

Yes, markdown can be written in any text editor but as far as I have
experienced, the spelling checkers flag the marked text as errors which is
understandable.

This requirement is for an article I am writing for a friend's blog. My
other option is to write the article in Microsoft word and then convert it
to markdown.

Pranav


Re: Sharing screen with Zoom or Microsoft Teams and NVDA

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Deenadayalan,

I'll try the windows + d but the last time I did, NVDA was still jumping around.

Pranav


locked Re: Turning off Protected Mode for All files obtained via download in Microsoft Office Programs

Ann Byrne <annakb@...>
 

Turn it off in a document with alt+f, then i, then e.

turn it off permanently in word with
alt+f, then t (options). Open trust center, trust center settings.
Under the proofing category there are three items you can check or uncheck.

At 05:47 PM 4/22/2022, you wrote:
1. A friend of mine sendtme a .docx file. When I open it, it's in "protected" mode, where I can't modify it. How do I turn protection mode off on that document, like, where in the ribbon do I go to do so?


2. How do I globally in Preferences turn off that feature, so it won't keep putting documents from various sources into read only mode? I know it can be done, I'm just failing to recall where it's barried.


Chris.





Re: Strategy for navigating Excel spreadsheets you've never seen before

 

https://www.exceltip.com/tips/shortcut-to-jump-to-last-cell-and-first-cell-in-excel.html

And I am asking that queries regarding Excel or any Office program be taken to the Chat Subgroup or consider joining the Microsoft Office Accessibility Discussion Group

Archive:  https://groups.io/g/office-accessibility/topics

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Re: Strategy for navigating Excel spreadsheets you've never seen before

Rui Fontes
 

Then press Control+rightArrow or Control+downArrow...

If nothing is found, go to B2 and reppeat the process...


Don't know any better method...


Rui Fontes


Às 00:50 de 23/04/2022, Christopher-Mark Gilland escreveu:

Hmm, CTRL+Home is taking me to A1 regardless if there's anything in it.


Chris.

On 4/22/2022 7:49 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
If I am not mistaken, Control+Home and Control+End takes you to first or last cell used...

Control+leftArrow, rightArrow, upArrow or downArrow takes you to next cell occupied, if you are in a blank cell, or last contiguous cell occupied in the direction of the arrow used...


Rui Fontes

...

Às 00:17 de 23/04/2022, Christopher-Mark Gilland escreveu:
Obviously, a sighted person can just quickly glance at a spreadsheet, and tell which cell is the first in the sheet to have data entered.


Not all cells are going to have data. In fact, I had a sheet the other day that didn't have anything anywhere until I reachedcell J13. So, you can imagine, me trying to sit here and arrow all over the freakin place just trying to figure out some means of home base where the actual data starts. up up, down down, left right, left right, A B, A B, select start. Oh, wait. Just kidding. but in all seriousness, is there a way with NVDA to deal with this, and to maybe somehow detect, and place your cursor inside the first cell found with any data?


That way, you're not going on a major scavenger hunt?


Chris.











Re: Strategy for navigating Excel spreadsheets you've never seen before

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

Hmm, CTRL+Home is taking me to A1 regardless if there's anything in it.


Chris.

On 4/22/2022 7:49 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
If I am not mistaken, Control+Home and Control+End takes you to first or last cell used...

Control+leftArrow, rightArrow, upArrow or downArrow takes you to next cell occupied, if you are in a blank cell, or last contiguous cell occupied in the direction of the arrow used...


Rui Fontes

...

Às 00:17 de 23/04/2022, Christopher-Mark Gilland escreveu:
Obviously, a sighted person can just quickly glance at a spreadsheet, and tell which cell is the first in the sheet to have data entered.


Not all cells are going to have data. In fact, I had a sheet the other day that didn't have anything anywhere until I reachedcell J13. So, you can imagine, me trying to sit here and arrow all over the freakin place just trying to figure out some means of home base where the actual data starts. up up, down down, left right, left right, A B, A B, select start. Oh, wait. Just kidding. but in all seriousness, is there a way with NVDA to deal with this, and to maybe somehow detect, and place your cursor inside the first cell found with any data?


That way, you're not going on a major scavenger hunt?


Chris.








Re: Strategy for navigating Excel spreadsheets you've never seen before

Rui Fontes
 

If I am not mistaken, Control+Home and Control+End takes you to first or last cell used...

Control+leftArrow, rightArrow, upArrow or downArrow takes you to next cell occupied, if you are in a blank cell, or last contiguous cell occupied in the direction of the arrow used...


Rui Fontes

...

Às 00:17 de 23/04/2022, Christopher-Mark Gilland escreveu:

Obviously, a sighted person can just quickly glance at a spreadsheet, and tell which cell is the first in the sheet to have data entered.


Not all cells are going to have data. In fact, I had a sheet the other day that didn't have anything anywhere until I reachedcell J13. So, you can imagine, me trying to sit here and arrow all over the freakin place just trying to figure out some means of home base where the actual data starts. up up, down down, left right, left right, A B, A B, select start. Oh, wait. Just kidding. but in all seriousness, is there a way with NVDA to deal with this, and to maybe somehow detect, and place your cursor inside the first cell found with any data?


That way, you're not going on a major scavenger hunt?


Chris.





locked Re: Turning off Protected Mode for All files obtained via download in Microsoft Office Programs

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!


Go to Word options, last category, Confidence center, and tab untill Word confidence center...


Rui Fontes


Às 23:47 de 22/04/2022, Christopher-Mark Gilland escreveu:

1. A friend of mine sendtme a .docx file. When I open it, it's in "protected" mode, where I can't modify it. How do I turn protection mode off on that document, like, where in the ribbon do I go to do so?


2. How do I globally in Preferences turn off that feature, so it won't keep putting documents from various sources into read only mode? I know it can be done, I'm just failing to recall where it's barried.


Chris.





Strategy for navigating Excel spreadsheets you've never seen before

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

Obviously, a sighted person can just quickly glance at a spreadsheet, and tell which cell is the first in the sheet to have data entered.


Not all cells are going to have data. In fact, I had a sheet the other day that didn't have anything anywhere until I reachedcell J13. So, you can imagine, me trying to sit here and arrow all over the freakin place just trying to figure out some means of home base where the actual data starts. up up, down down, left right, left right, A B, A B, select start. Oh, wait. Just kidding. but in all seriousness, is there a way with NVDA to deal with this, and to maybe somehow detect, and place your cursor inside the first cell found with any data?


That way, you're not going on a major scavenger hunt?


Chris.


locked Re: Turning off Protected Mode for All files obtained via download in Microsoft Office Programs

 

Adjusting Protected View Settings in MS-Office Programs

I turn off Protected View as one of the first things I do in Office installations, as I never download or open files from anywhere I don't trust.  It's a grand PITA to me that's way more trouble than it's worth.
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locked Re: Turning off Protected Mode for All files obtained via download in Microsoft Office Programs

Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías
 

Hi all.
You can disable the protected mode in a document pressing f6 to navigate to a message. Press tab to find the button for enable edition and press enter.
Is possible to disable the protected mode completely from the Word Options, but the protected mode is important for security reasons. In Microsoft Office programs, it is possible to create documents with macros for rung actions automatically.
You can check a document in the protected view to know if it is trustworthy with the browse mode of NVDA (NVDA + space).
Regards.



El vie, 22 abr 2022 a las 17:48, Christopher-Mark Gilland (<clgilland07@...>) escribió:
1. A friend of mine sendtme a .docx file. When I open it, it's in
"protected" mode, where I can't modify it. How do I turn protection mode
off on that document, like, where in the ribbon do I go to do so?


2. How do I globally in Preferences turn off that feature, so it won't
keep putting documents from various sources into read only mode? I know
it can be done, I'm just failing to recall where it's barried.


Chris.








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locked Turning off Protected Mode for All files obtained via download in Microsoft Office Programs

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

1. A friend of mine sendtme a .docx file. When I open it, it's in "protected" mode, where I can't modify it. How do I turn protection mode off on that document, like, where in the ribbon do I go to do so?


2. How do I globally in Preferences turn off that feature, so it won't keep putting documents from various sources into read only mode? I know it can be done, I'm just failing to recall where it's barried.


Chris.


Re: please help with go to Meeting

udit pandey
 

but I do agree I got everything summarised with this warning you may call it any other thing if I am rong


Re: please help with go to Meeting

Sarah k Alawami
 

Oh god, Let’s not go down this rabbit hole, at least, not here.  I’m being a bit facetious. Anyway, interesting discussions. I don’t have demtia, but I do soffer from some memory loss due to some stuff I found out in 2019. So I can understand the confusion that the OP is feeling. Anyway thanks for the learning of all of this guys. Or shall I say relearning as I’m sure I learned all of this before somewhere.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of mike mcglashon
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2022 12:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] please help with go to Meeting

 

Quote:

A sensible person realizes that all principles that can be expressed in a statement of finite length are oversimplified.

End quote:

         

Yes, but that begs the question,

In today’s technical society of arm’s length available information,

What defines a sensible person?

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

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Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2022 11:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] please help with go to Meeting

 

David,

One of my favorite quotations that makes an occasional appearance as my signature:

    A sensible person realizes that all principles that can be expressed in a statement of finite length are oversimplified.

          ~ Robert Heppe

Heaven knows when it comes to trying to make generalities about software that observation is absolutely true.  I'm really glad that you caught what I was trying to do was cover what are "general rules" that do have exceptions, but you can usually figure out when you've got one going on (e.g., the single letter browsing commands, which work only in the screen reader, and nowhere else).

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Re: please help with go to Meeting

mike mcglashon
 

Quote:

A sensible person realizes that all principles that can be expressed in a statement of finite length are oversimplified.

End quote:

         

Yes, but that begs the question,

In today’s technical society of arm’s length available information,

What defines a sensible person?

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2022 11:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] please help with go to Meeting

 

David,

One of my favorite quotations that makes an occasional appearance as my signature:

    A sensible person realizes that all principles that can be expressed in a statement of finite length are oversimplified.

          ~ Robert Heppe

Heaven knows when it comes to trying to make generalities about software that observation is absolutely true.  I'm really glad that you caught what I was trying to do was cover what are "general rules" that do have exceptions, but you can usually figure out when you've got one going on (e.g., the single letter browsing commands, which work only in the screen reader, and nowhere else).

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Re: please help with go to Meeting

Betsy Grenevitch
 

Thank you for explaining further. This is not something I recall ever hearing before but with memory loss who knows. I will write this down in my NVDA notes for the future.

On 4/21/2022 11:24 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

Hi. As this is a support list for NVDA users I don’t want to steer things off-topic to JAWS but I will say that JAWS does make the occasional exception in assigning JAWS-specific commands to keystrokes which don’t involve the JAWS modifier key, such as pressing alt-shift-L to generate a list of spelling errors in a Word document. However, Brian’s tip for determining whether a keystroke is screen reader specific definitely works 99.9% of the time. Of course, the other exceptions are the single letter navigation commands found on Web pages/HTML documents  and in Word documents, such as pressing H for next heading, which are screen reader specific.

 

 

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2022 11:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] please help with go to Meeting

 

On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 08:44 PM, Gene wrote:

It may be helpful to explain in some detail how to distinguish between a screen-reader command and program or Windows commands. 

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Indeed.  And I thank you for that.

There is, however, a somewhat "quick and dirty" method to filter, and that's a combination of:
1. Scope - where does the command actually work (in only one program, across multiple programs, or across multiple programs and in Windows) and on what is it acting?
2. Modifier Key or Keys used.

NVDA commands, for most cases, use the NVDA key as their modifier, whether that's the Insert key in desktop keyboard layout or CAPS LOCK in laptop layout.  If you have any command that uses the NVDA modifier key, you can be as close to completely assured as is possible that you're looking at an NVDA command.  (The same applies for JAWS, too, and from what I remember of Narrator it also applies there).

CTRL, ALT and the two in combination are a bit less clear, because they get used both within programs and by Windows.  In the vast majority of cases if you use CTRL + ALT + something else, it's being handled by Windows.  That includes firing up NVDA via CTRL + ALT + N.  That's a shortcut that is interpreted by Windows that gets created if you so choose when you install NVDA, but it is NOT, in any way, acted upon directly by NVDA.  Those of you who've created other keyboard shortcuts in the Properties dialog for a desktop shortcut that doesn't have one by default have done precisely the same thing the NVDA installer does when it installs NVDA.  In the case of when NVDA is running, there are cases where CTRL + ALT + Arrow Keys are NVDA commands, but those cases are constrained by very specific situations, like being inside a table.  If you're not in the specific situation where those commands are interpreted by NVDA, they do nothing.  A quick cruise through the NVDA commands quick reference shows how rare NVDA keyboard commands without the NVDA key modifier are, with the exception of those done on the number pad when it is not in number pad mode.  Overall, it's pretty darned safe to assume if NVDA Key is not involved, it's most likely not an NVDA command.

For things like cut, copy, paste, and similar you can use the context in which you use the command, and exactly what it's acting on, to get a very good idea of which program layer is interpreting it.  If you are in a word processor, what is it that you cut, copy, and paste?  Text, tables, other objects like images, text boxes, etc., and all of those things are created within that word processor.  Things like mute/unmute, well, do those make sense in Word, Excel, File Explorer, etc.?  No, they do not, and they are acting on sound in programs that have sound as something they manipulate, so in that case you have very clear evidence, if those commands are CTRL or ALT plus some letter or function key that those are controlled by that program.  For those who use email clients, think about all of the CTRL, ALT, or function key commands that do what they do only when that client is open and operating.  That's a clear indication that they are that email client's commands, not Windows, not your screen reader.

But a few seconds thinking about exactly where and when a command works, what it works on, and whether it includes any really distinct modifier key, like the NVDA key, gives you some really good, and not particularly complicated, ways to make a very educated guess as to "who controls what" in reference to that specific command in the context where it's being used.

It's really not all that complicated.  And I have to say that Betsy's original query, as a whole shows that.  The topic title showed a clear, if not conscious, understanding of what was being asked about, "Go To Meeting."  And the specific question asking about mute/unmute instantly tells you:  not NVDA, as NVDA doesn't mute/unmute sound from a program in the way being asked about and there's no NVDA modifier involved.  And it's not likely that any mute/unmute command is going to be handled by Windows if it only effects a single program.  You can mute/unmute all sound, and that's what's under the control of Windows, but if you're selectively muting the output from Zoom, Go To Meeting, a media player, or similar the command you're using to do that goes with that program.  But regardless, because the classic NVDA modifier key is nowhere to be seen, it's really, really unlikely to be an NVDA command.
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Re: Odd issue with NVDA and windows 11

 

Hi,

I also advise installing Event Tracker which is designed (somewhat) for issues like this. With this add-on installed, provided that NVDA is running with debug logging, it will log events coming from apps, including background apps. It might be that a background application might be responsible for progress bar announcement.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: please help with go to Meeting

David Goldfield
 

Thanks, Brian. Except for table navigation commands and the single letter shortcut keys for HTML documents NVDA is a bit more consistent in that almost all other NVDA commands involve using the NVDA modifier key. I personally don’t mind that Vispero occasionally plays a bit fast and loose with this rule but I could see how a user could get confused thinking that the command to bring up a list of spelling errors is a Word command and then wondering why it’s not working at all if they switch to using NVDA.

 

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2022 11:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] please help with go to Meeting

 

David,

One of my favorite quotations that makes an occasional appearance as my signature:

    A sensible person realizes that all principles that can be expressed in a statement of finite length are oversimplified.

          ~ Robert Heppe

Heaven knows when it comes to trying to make generalities about software that observation is absolutely true.  I'm really glad that you caught what I was trying to do was cover what are "general rules" that do have exceptions, but you can usually figure out when you've got one going on (e.g., the single letter browsing commands, which work only in the screen reader, and nowhere else).

--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

You can't crush ideas by suppressing them. You can only crush them by ignoring them.
     ~ Ursula LeGuin, The Dispossessed

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