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Re: Screen reader survey

Ken Perry
 

 

 

Try again. Make sure you refresh it but we added an other.

Ke

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Deenadayalan Moodley
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2022 2:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen reader survey

 

Hi Ken,

 

I see that this survey is only aimed at people living in the United States.

 

I attempted to answer it and got to the question “where are you from” and could not continue as I don’t live in the U.S.

 

Thanks.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ken Perry
Sent: Monday, 25 April 2022 15:18
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Screen reader survey

 

Moderator's Note:  Although not directly and explicitly NVDA-related, this sort of research data is important to have for a multitude of reasons.  Thus, this message has been granted an exception to the group rules for that reason.
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Use of Screen Readers in Education

 

A significant priority of APH is furthering the exposure and access to coding tools for students who are blind or have low vision, which is why we introduced and are further developing our Road to Code line of products. A student must be an efficient and flexible screen reader user for a successful career in coding. Therefore, APH is seeking information on the various screen readers that are taught in schools today, where instructional barriers are encountered, and how APH can contribute with the various screen reader developers to enhance development of features that are relevant for students and the education field as a whole. Please take our survey.

APH Screen Reader Use in Education Survey

 

 


Re: Looking for nvda friendly editors that support markdown and spell checking

Pawel Urbanski <pawel@...>
 

markdown + Pandoc is fantastic.


Re: any work updating the speech history addon, formally clip copy, to the new NVDA 2022? #addonrelease #addonrelease

 

Hi,

I bet the first result that came up was systray List add-on entry from addons.nvda-project.org. Can you:

  1. Tell us the version of Systray List add-on you have?
  2. Try installing Add-on Updater and see if detects newer versions of add-ons you've got?

If it is what I suspect is happening, then I guess I need a reminder from someone to post a community-wide message about add-ons and updating them. As Gene pointed out, 2022.1 is in beta phase, and add-on authors are aware of making add-ons compatible with changes introduced in 2022.1 (at least folks subscribed to a certain NVDA related list or two in addition to this forum).

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Looking for nvda friendly editors that support markdown and spell checking

Isaac Porat
 

Hello


MarkupBinder is not what you are looking for.


MarkupBinder is a tool for creating multi pages docs in the form of linked web pages using Markdown.

It is a tool for geeks as it requires Notepad++ special configuration  for the purpose which is not for a typical user, it is more for developers.


By the way I use a spell checker with notepad++ with a plugin; When you go up and down the page with NVDA it does not tell you when there is a problem but if you use the context menu when a word is in focus and there is a problem, a list of possible words is displayed. So usable but not great!


Regards

Isaac

On 25/04/2022 05:36, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi


Is the following maybe what you are looking for? It was created by Isaac who is blind him self. Not sure if it has a spell checker?


More information can be found at http://www.speakon.org.uk/MarkupBinder.html


Gene nz


On 25/04/2022 2:23 pm, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
It sure does, also go back and forth from Ritch text to markdown per the
documentation. I like the concept; I'll be playing with this in a few weeks
as I draft some stuff.

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pranav Lal
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2022 4:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Looking for nvda friendly editors that support markdown
and spell checking

Sarah,

The plugin gives you a way to add markdown styles to word and lets you
export and I believe import markdown documents into Microsoft word.

Pranav

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Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2022 7:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Looking for nvda friendly editors that support markdown
and spell checking

I might also take a look at that, if I can remember what this plugin does. I
just had a long day so am suffering from memory lapses from the past few
hours. I'll actually send now as I totally forgot what else I was going to
say. Sorry folks.  The plug seems interesting though and if I can add it to
my arsenal then Coolio.

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pranav Lal
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2022 5:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Looking for nvda friendly editors that support markdown
and spell checking

Hi Louis,

Many thanks. I am going to go with ritage. This is the most convenient
option for me for now because I need this plugin for a single article for
now. The 14 trial should be sufficient though the plugin is accessible so I
may buy it later.

Pranav



























Re: Odd issue with NVDA and windows 11

Gene
 

I'll correct my message. 

You do quote the message you are responding to but it is so far below your message that I didn't look down far enough.  Since the quoted material is so far below the original, and I suspect a lot of people don't look that far, please refer to what you are discussing in the actual message.

Gene

On 4/26/2022 3:36 AM, Gene wrote:

Please refer specifically to what you are writing about or set your e-mail program to quote the message you are responding to.  At times, I have no idea what you are referring to or I have to guess. 

You are evidently saying that NVDA IS the only screen-reader that offers read progress bars in background.  But since topics drift, I'm guessing.

If you had said something like NVDA is the only screen-reader to read progress bars in the background, instead of to offer it, your meaning would have been clear.

Gene
On 4/26/2022 3:19 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

But the fact it exists is good. NVDA is the only screen reader to offer it.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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Sent: 25 April 2022 23:51
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Odd issue with NVDA and windows 11

 

That would want to make me pull what hair I have left  out, and I have very little hair left. Lol! This re the background progress bars. That is jus  I though.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2022 2:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Odd issue with NVDA and windows 11

 

Sighted person would have to look very hard, if the progress bar flashes up very quickly, and they could easily miss it.

 

I’ve also heard it when the computer is idle.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Armando Maldonado
Sent: 25 April 2022 22:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Odd issue with NVDA and windows 11

 

Thanks, I still don't understand why windows 11 would announce something that's not there, even had a sighted person check and nothing was displayed on screen, even did a clean install of NVDA and would still get odd behavior until I disabled saidoption.

Armando

On 4/25/2022 2:02 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Good stuff.

 

Basically, having that option checked, tells NVDA to tell you about any progress bar, whether it’s part of the app in focus or not.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Armando Maldonado
Sent: 25 April 2022 17:48
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Odd issue with NVDA and windows 11

 

Hello, that fixed it, thanks.

Armando

On 4/25/2022 9:40 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Hi Jean,

 

This is the Background Progress Bars option.  Clip from the user guide:-

 

Progress bar output

Key: NVDA+u

This option controls how NVDA reports progress bar updates to you.

It has the following options:

• Off: Progress bars will not be reported as they change.

• Speak: This option tells NVDA to speak the progress bar in percentages. Each time the progress bar changes, NVDA will speak the new value.

• Beep: This tells NVDA to beep each time the progress bar changes. The higher the beep, the closer the progress bar is to completion.

• Beep and speak: This option tells NVDA to both beep and speak when a progress bar updates.

Report background progress bars

This is an option that, when checked, tells NVDA to keep reporting a progress bar, even if it is not physically in the foreground. If you minimize or switch away from a window that contains a progress bar, NVDA will keep track of it, allowing you to do other things while NVDA tracks the progress bar.

 

** End Of Extract **

 

So just uncheck report background progress bars, and I believe that problem will go away.

 

All the best


Steve

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 21 April 2022 21:03
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Odd issue with NVDA and windows 11

 

I don't think this is an NVDA problem.  I think something is going on in Windows or a Windows program that is causing a progress bar to be displayed and NVDA is reading it.  If you alt tab around, do you see any window that gives any idea of what it might be?  Also, did this behavior start after any event, such as after updates were installed or after you installed a program?

Gene

On 4/21/2022 11:13 AM, Armando Maldonado wrote:

Hello,

Using latest build of NVDA along with Windows 11, I'm noticing that all of a sudden on its own, it reads progress bars. I am wondering if there's a way to turn this off, or what can be causing such behavior? The only way I get rid of this is if I turn off progress bar announcements, any help would be grately appreciated. Thanks.

Armando

 




Re: Odd issue with NVDA and windows 11

Gene
 

Please refer specifically to what you are writing about or set your e-mail program to quote the message you are responding to.  At times, I have no idea what you are referring to or I have to guess. 

You are evidently saying that NVDA IS the only screen-reader that offers read progress bars in background.  But since topics drift, I'm guessing.

If you had said something like NVDA is the only screen-reader to read progress bars in the background, instead of to offer it, your meaning would have been clear.

Gene
On 4/26/2022 3:19 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

But the fact it exists is good. NVDA is the only screen reader to offer it.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 25 April 2022 23:51
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Odd issue with NVDA and windows 11

 

That would want to make me pull what hair I have left  out, and I have very little hair left. Lol! This re the background progress bars. That is jus  I though.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2022 2:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Odd issue with NVDA and windows 11

 

Sighted person would have to look very hard, if the progress bar flashes up very quickly, and they could easily miss it.

 

I’ve also heard it when the computer is idle.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Armando Maldonado
Sent: 25 April 2022 22:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Odd issue with NVDA and windows 11

 

Thanks, I still don't understand why windows 11 would announce something that's not there, even had a sighted person check and nothing was displayed on screen, even did a clean install of NVDA and would still get odd behavior until I disabled saidoption.

Armando

On 4/25/2022 2:02 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Good stuff.

 

Basically, having that option checked, tells NVDA to tell you about any progress bar, whether it’s part of the app in focus or not.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Armando Maldonado
Sent: 25 April 2022 17:48
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Odd issue with NVDA and windows 11

 

Hello, that fixed it, thanks.

Armando

On 4/25/2022 9:40 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Hi Jean,

 

This is the Background Progress Bars option.  Clip from the user guide:-

 

Progress bar output

Key: NVDA+u

This option controls how NVDA reports progress bar updates to you.

It has the following options:

• Off: Progress bars will not be reported as they change.

• Speak: This option tells NVDA to speak the progress bar in percentages. Each time the progress bar changes, NVDA will speak the new value.

• Beep: This tells NVDA to beep each time the progress bar changes. The higher the beep, the closer the progress bar is to completion.

• Beep and speak: This option tells NVDA to both beep and speak when a progress bar updates.

Report background progress bars

This is an option that, when checked, tells NVDA to keep reporting a progress bar, even if it is not physically in the foreground. If you minimize or switch away from a window that contains a progress bar, NVDA will keep track of it, allowing you to do other things while NVDA tracks the progress bar.

 

** End Of Extract **

 

So just uncheck report background progress bars, and I believe that problem will go away.

 

All the best


Steve

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 21 April 2022 21:03
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Odd issue with NVDA and windows 11

 

I don't think this is an NVDA problem.  I think something is going on in Windows or a Windows program that is causing a progress bar to be displayed and NVDA is reading it.  If you alt tab around, do you see any window that gives any idea of what it might be?  Also, did this behavior start after any event, such as after updates were installed or after you installed a program?

Gene

On 4/21/2022 11:13 AM, Armando Maldonado wrote:

Hello,

Using latest build of NVDA along with Windows 11, I'm noticing that all of a sudden on its own, it reads progress bars. I am wondering if there's a way to turn this off, or what can be causing such behavior? The only way I get rid of this is if I turn off progress bar announcements, any help would be grately appreciated. Thanks.

Armando

 



Re: Odd issue with NVDA and windows 11

Steve Nutt
 

But the fact it exists is good. NVDA is the only screen reader to offer it.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 25 April 2022 23:51
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Odd issue with NVDA and windows 11

 

That would want to make me pull what hair I have left  out, and I have very little hair left. Lol! This re the background progress bars. That is jus  I though.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2022 2:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Odd issue with NVDA and windows 11

 

Sighted person would have to look very hard, if the progress bar flashes up very quickly, and they could easily miss it.

 

I’ve also heard it when the computer is idle.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Armando Maldonado
Sent: 25 April 2022 22:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Odd issue with NVDA and windows 11

 

Thanks, I still don't understand why windows 11 would announce something that's not there, even had a sighted person check and nothing was displayed on screen, even did a clean install of NVDA and would still get odd behavior until I disabled saidoption.

Armando

On 4/25/2022 2:02 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Good stuff.

 

Basically, having that option checked, tells NVDA to tell you about any progress bar, whether it’s part of the app in focus or not.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Armando Maldonado
Sent: 25 April 2022 17:48
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Odd issue with NVDA and windows 11

 

Hello, that fixed it, thanks.

Armando

On 4/25/2022 9:40 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Hi Jean,

 

This is the Background Progress Bars option.  Clip from the user guide:-

 

Progress bar output

Key: NVDA+u

This option controls how NVDA reports progress bar updates to you.

It has the following options:

• Off: Progress bars will not be reported as they change.

• Speak: This option tells NVDA to speak the progress bar in percentages. Each time the progress bar changes, NVDA will speak the new value.

• Beep: This tells NVDA to beep each time the progress bar changes. The higher the beep, the closer the progress bar is to completion.

• Beep and speak: This option tells NVDA to both beep and speak when a progress bar updates.

Report background progress bars

This is an option that, when checked, tells NVDA to keep reporting a progress bar, even if it is not physically in the foreground. If you minimize or switch away from a window that contains a progress bar, NVDA will keep track of it, allowing you to do other things while NVDA tracks the progress bar.

 

** End Of Extract **

 

So just uncheck report background progress bars, and I believe that problem will go away.

 

All the best


Steve

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 21 April 2022 21:03
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Odd issue with NVDA and windows 11

 

I don't think this is an NVDA problem.  I think something is going on in Windows or a Windows program that is causing a progress bar to be displayed and NVDA is reading it.  If you alt tab around, do you see any window that gives any idea of what it might be?  Also, did this behavior start after any event, such as after updates were installed or after you installed a program?

Gene

On 4/21/2022 11:13 AM, Armando Maldonado wrote:

Hello,

Using latest build of NVDA along with Windows 11, I'm noticing that all of a sudden on its own, it reads progress bars. I am wondering if there's a way to turn this off, or what can be causing such behavior? The only way I get rid of this is if I turn off progress bar announcements, any help would be grately appreciated. Thanks.

Armando

 


Re: any work updating the speech history addon, formally clip copy, to the new NVDA 2022? #addonrelease #addonrelease

Johnny Lam
 

hi Joseph, I did try looking for the updated sys tray addon from doing
a google search, but I only saw the one updated for only 2021. but not
for the current version 2022.

On 4/25/22, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
Hi,

Systray List add-on is compatible now, actually.

Cheers,

Joseph






Re: Eloquence and Punctuation Announcement

Quentin Christensen
 

I'm sure all the options have been shared in this thread, however to recap:

1) NVDA+n, then P for preferences, then p again for Punctuation / Symbol pronunciation
2) For symbols with a key, like dot or exclamation mark, press the key.  Repeatedly doing this will cycle through all entries for that symbol.  Note that some, like dot and exclamation mark DO have several entries, eg for a sentence ending dot or a dot (not ending a sentence, eg in a word), or "dot dot dot".
3) TAB to replacement and type what you actually want read.
4) TAB to Level and select which level (and higher) the symbol will be read at.
5) Tab to "Send actual symbol to synthesizer" and select whether to do that.  This might be the key one if Eloquence is reading out its own thing regardless.  Normally sending the symbol to the synth helps with things like - with a dot the synth will introduce the appropriate pause afterwards.  If you don't send the symbol then NVDA will read the next thing immediately without a pause.  BUT if the synth is insisting on reading something with the symbol, that could be why.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sun, Apr 24, 2022 at 1:41 AM Kenny Cheung <kennycheung0@...> wrote:
following up from my last email, I’m using eloquence as my synthesizer. is their a way I can copy my speech histery and send it? If their is, where do I send it to?
Sent from Kenny’s MacBook Pro

On Apr 23, 2022, at 11:27, Peter Beasley <pjbeasley23@...> wrote:

I have tried all the various settings you suggested but still can’t get it to stop saying exclamation. I don’t have any problems with other punctuation marks.
 
Sent from Mail for Windows
 
From: Steve Nutt
Sent: 07 April 2022 14:14
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Exclamation mark
 
Hi Peter,
 
Have you not told it in what level of punctuation to use it? For example, if you set it to only be used when punctuation is set to all, then change your punctuation to some, that will or should, eliminate it.
 
All the best

Steve
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Beasley
Sent: 10 March 2022 10:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Exclamation mark
 
It’s being spoken when reading a line of text or a document or e-mail.
 
Sent from Mail for Windows
 
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: 09 March 2022 16:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Exclamation mark
 
On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 11:10 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:
I have tried all of the options listed but still can’t stop exclamation from being spoken
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And you have yet to give a clear explanation of exactly under what conditions it's being spoken where you don't want it.  That really makes it impossible for anyone to give good advice.
 
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Re: Screen reader survey

Deenadayalan Moodley
 

Hi Ken,

 

I see that this survey is only aimed at people living in the United States.

 

I attempted to answer it and got to the question “where are you from” and could not continue as I don’t live in the U.S.

 

Thanks.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ken Perry
Sent: Monday, 25 April 2022 15:18
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Screen reader survey

 

Moderator's Note:  Although not directly and explicitly NVDA-related, this sort of research data is important to have for a multitude of reasons.  Thus, this message has been granted an exception to the group rules for that reason.
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Use of Screen Readers in Education

 

A significant priority of APH is furthering the exposure and access to coding tools for students who are blind or have low vision, which is why we introduced and are further developing our Road to Code line of products. A student must be an efficient and flexible screen reader user for a successful career in coding. Therefore, APH is seeking information on the various screen readers that are taught in schools today, where instructional barriers are encountered, and how APH can contribute with the various screen reader developers to enhance development of features that are relevant for students and the education field as a whole. Please take our survey.

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Re: any work updating the speech history addon, formally clip copy, to the new NVDA 2022? #addonrelease #addonrelease

 

Hi,

Systray List add-on is compatible now, actually.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Odd issue with NVDA and windows 11

Arlene
 

Before we stray off topic here. I will say this I’ll say no more. Lol. That’s the one thing I do like about Windows. You can use more then one screen reader.  Yes, I have used a mac.  I tried my friend’s mac.  I do have an I Phone and an apple watch.  I’d like to have Knowledge of both systems.  That’s all I’ll say.   

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Gene
Sent: April 25, 2022 7:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Odd issue with NVDA and windows 11

 

Have you used a Mac?  The grass is always greener, etc.  It is no small thing to discard all your knowledge and experience of one operating system to move to another.  And Windows gives you more screen[-readers to work with so if one doesn't do something, another may.

Gene

On 4/25/2022 9:45 PM, Arlene wrote:

Lol! When this windows ten box becomes outdated. I’m thinking of getting a Mac!

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: April 25, 2022 3:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Odd issue with NVDA and windows 11

 

That would want to make me pull what hair I have left  out, and I have very little hair left. Lol! This re the background progress bars. That is jus  I though.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2022 2:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Odd issue with NVDA and windows 11

 

Sighted person would have to look very hard, if the progress bar flashes up very quickly, and they could easily miss it.

 

I’ve also heard it when the computer is idle.

 

All the best


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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Armando Maldonado
Sent: 25 April 2022 22:04
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Odd issue with NVDA and windows 11

 

Thanks, I still don't understand why windows 11 would announce something that's not there, even had a sighted person check and nothing was displayed on screen, even did a clean install of NVDA and would still get odd behavior until I disabled saidoption.

Armando

On 4/25/2022 2:02 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Good stuff.

 

Basically, having that option checked, tells NVDA to tell you about any progress bar, whether it’s part of the app in focus or not.

 

All the best


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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Armando Maldonado
Sent: 25 April 2022 17:48
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Odd issue with NVDA and windows 11

 

Hello, that fixed it, thanks.

Armando

On 4/25/2022 9:40 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Hi Jean,

 

This is the Background Progress Bars option.  Clip from the user guide:-

 

Progress bar output

Key: NVDA+u

This option controls how NVDA reports progress bar updates to you.

It has the following options:

• Off: Progress bars will not be reported as they change.

• Speak: This option tells NVDA to speak the progress bar in percentages. Each time the progress bar changes, NVDA will speak the new value.

• Beep: This tells NVDA to beep each time the progress bar changes. The higher the beep, the closer the progress bar is to completion.

• Beep and speak: This option tells NVDA to both beep and speak when a progress bar updates.

Report background progress bars

This is an option that, when checked, tells NVDA to keep reporting a progress bar, even if it is not physically in the foreground. If you minimize or switch away from a window that contains a progress bar, NVDA will keep track of it, allowing you to do other things while NVDA tracks the progress bar.

 

** End Of Extract **

 

So just uncheck report background progress bars, and I believe that problem will go away.

 

All the best


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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 21 April 2022 21:03
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Odd issue with NVDA and windows 11

 

I don't think this is an NVDA problem.  I think something is going on in Windows or a Windows program that is causing a progress bar to be displayed and NVDA is reading it.  If you alt tab around, do you see any window that gives any idea of what it might be?  Also, did this behavior start after any event, such as after updates were installed or after you installed a program?

Gene

On 4/21/2022 11:13 AM, Armando Maldonado wrote:

Hello,

Using latest build of NVDA along with Windows 11, I'm noticing that all of a sudden on its own, it reads progress bars. I am wondering if there's a way to turn this off, or what can be causing such behavior? The only way I get rid of this is if I turn off progress bar announcements, any help would be grately appreciated. Thanks.

Armando

 

 

 

 


Re: Odd issue with NVDA and windows 11

Gene
 

Have you used a Mac?  The grass is always greener, etc.  It is no small thing to discard all your knowledge and experience of one operating system to move to another.  And Windows gives you more screen[-readers to work with so if one doesn't do something, another may.

Gene

On 4/25/2022 9:45 PM, Arlene wrote:

Lol! When this windows ten box becomes outdated. I’m thinking of getting a Mac!

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: April 25, 2022 3:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Odd issue with NVDA and windows 11

 

That would want to make me pull what hair I have left  out, and I have very little hair left. Lol! This re the background progress bars. That is jus  I though.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2022 2:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Odd issue with NVDA and windows 11

 

Sighted person would have to look very hard, if the progress bar flashes up very quickly, and they could easily miss it.

 

I’ve also heard it when the computer is idle.

 

All the best


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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Armando Maldonado
Sent: 25 April 2022 22:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Odd issue with NVDA and windows 11

 

Thanks, I still don't understand why windows 11 would announce something that's not there, even had a sighted person check and nothing was displayed on screen, even did a clean install of NVDA and would still get odd behavior until I disabled saidoption.

Armando

On 4/25/2022 2:02 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Good stuff.

 

Basically, having that option checked, tells NVDA to tell you about any progress bar, whether it’s part of the app in focus or not.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Armando Maldonado
Sent: 25 April 2022 17:48
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Odd issue with NVDA and windows 11

 

Hello, that fixed it, thanks.

Armando

On 4/25/2022 9:40 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Hi Jean,

 

This is the Background Progress Bars option.  Clip from the user guide:-

 

Progress bar output

Key: NVDA+u

This option controls how NVDA reports progress bar updates to you.

It has the following options:

• Off: Progress bars will not be reported as they change.

• Speak: This option tells NVDA to speak the progress bar in percentages. Each time the progress bar changes, NVDA will speak the new value.

• Beep: This tells NVDA to beep each time the progress bar changes. The higher the beep, the closer the progress bar is to completion.

• Beep and speak: This option tells NVDA to both beep and speak when a progress bar updates.

Report background progress bars

This is an option that, when checked, tells NVDA to keep reporting a progress bar, even if it is not physically in the foreground. If you minimize or switch away from a window that contains a progress bar, NVDA will keep track of it, allowing you to do other things while NVDA tracks the progress bar.

 

** End Of Extract **

 

So just uncheck report background progress bars, and I believe that problem will go away.

 

All the best


Steve

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 21 April 2022 21:03
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Odd issue with NVDA and windows 11

 

I don't think this is an NVDA problem.  I think something is going on in Windows or a Windows program that is causing a progress bar to be displayed and NVDA is reading it.  If you alt tab around, do you see any window that gives any idea of what it might be?  Also, did this behavior start after any event, such as after updates were installed or after you installed a program?

Gene

On 4/21/2022 11:13 AM, Armando Maldonado wrote:

Hello,

Using latest build of NVDA along with Windows 11, I'm noticing that all of a sudden on its own, it reads progress bars. I am wondering if there's a way to turn this off, or what can be causing such behavior? The only way I get rid of this is if I turn off progress bar announcements, any help would be grately appreciated. Thanks.

Armando

 

 



Re: any work updating the speech history addon, formally clip copy, to the new NVDA 2022? #addonrelease #addonrelease

Gene
 

That isn't the production release of NVDA.  The current release is 2021.3.5.

I believe there is a beta version of 22.x or perhaps more than one, but if you look at the web site, the current version is as I stated.

many or perhaps a lot of add-ons will be made compatible that aren't now.

Gene
On 4/25/2022 8:28 PM, Johnny Lam wrote:

hey guys, now that NVDA is updated to 2022, I haven't seen any news about some addons that are now incompatible, witch is really frustrating when the anual update breaks compatibility.
Just wondering if there were any attempts to update the speech history addon, formally clip copy, to support 2022? also the sys tray addon is now incompatible as well.
I haven't wanted to update to 2022 because of this reason of the addon compatibility, I remember when 2021 came out, we had to wait for some many months for the popular addons to be updated.


Re: Odd issue with NVDA and windows 11

Arlene
 

Lol! When this windows ten box becomes outdated. I’m thinking of getting a Mac!

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: April 25, 2022 3:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Odd issue with NVDA and windows 11

 

That would want to make me pull what hair I have left  out, and I have very little hair left. Lol! This re the background progress bars. That is jus  I though.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2022 2:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Odd issue with NVDA and windows 11

 

Sighted person would have to look very hard, if the progress bar flashes up very quickly, and they could easily miss it.

 

I’ve also heard it when the computer is idle.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Armando Maldonado
Sent: 25 April 2022 22:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Odd issue with NVDA and windows 11

 

Thanks, I still don't understand why windows 11 would announce something that's not there, even had a sighted person check and nothing was displayed on screen, even did a clean install of NVDA and would still get odd behavior until I disabled saidoption.

Armando

On 4/25/2022 2:02 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Good stuff.

 

Basically, having that option checked, tells NVDA to tell you about any progress bar, whether it’s part of the app in focus or not.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Armando Maldonado
Sent: 25 April 2022 17:48
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Odd issue with NVDA and windows 11

 

Hello, that fixed it, thanks.

Armando

On 4/25/2022 9:40 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Hi Jean,

 

This is the Background Progress Bars option.  Clip from the user guide:-

 

Progress bar output

Key: NVDA+u

This option controls how NVDA reports progress bar updates to you.

It has the following options:

• Off: Progress bars will not be reported as they change.

• Speak: This option tells NVDA to speak the progress bar in percentages. Each time the progress bar changes, NVDA will speak the new value.

• Beep: This tells NVDA to beep each time the progress bar changes. The higher the beep, the closer the progress bar is to completion.

• Beep and speak: This option tells NVDA to both beep and speak when a progress bar updates.

Report background progress bars

This is an option that, when checked, tells NVDA to keep reporting a progress bar, even if it is not physically in the foreground. If you minimize or switch away from a window that contains a progress bar, NVDA will keep track of it, allowing you to do other things while NVDA tracks the progress bar.

 

** End Of Extract **

 

So just uncheck report background progress bars, and I believe that problem will go away.

 

All the best


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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 21 April 2022 21:03
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Odd issue with NVDA and windows 11

 

I don't think this is an NVDA problem.  I think something is going on in Windows or a Windows program that is causing a progress bar to be displayed and NVDA is reading it.  If you alt tab around, do you see any window that gives any idea of what it might be?  Also, did this behavior start after any event, such as after updates were installed or after you installed a program?

Gene

On 4/21/2022 11:13 AM, Armando Maldonado wrote:

Hello,

Using latest build of NVDA along with Windows 11, I'm noticing that all of a sudden on its own, it reads progress bars. I am wondering if there's a way to turn this off, or what can be causing such behavior? The only way I get rid of this is if I turn off progress bar announcements, any help would be grately appreciated. Thanks.

Armando

 

 


Re: Formatting issues in Word, add-on?

Sarah k Alawami
 

Thanks for the heads up. I learned something new in that I didn’t know that formatting carries over re a hard CR. If she does not have the subscription for the office list, I’m sure she can find it by searching this group. Thanks  for the lesson as well. I love learning new things.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2022 3:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Formatting issues in Word, add-on?

 

Hi all,

Update: based on the debug log Janet sent me (without going into details):

  1. Janet is using Microsoft 365 Version 2203 (latest public release/build 15028).
  2. Too early to tell, but the problem may actually lie with the way Janet moves to the next line without realizing the formatting is on. For example, after enabling boldface she moves to the end of the line, then presses Enter to move to the next line. This actually does not disable formatting such as boldface because it will carry over to subsequent lines. The user MUST turn off one or more formatting commands before moving to the next line in order to not get characters bolded/underlined/italicized, etc.
  3. As Brian points out and confirmed by folks using/subscribed to it, Microsoft 365 releases since 2016 are versioned 16.0. The "real" development takes place in Microsoft 365 with perpetual releases such as 2019 and 2021 being a snapshot that will be maintained for several years. Think of it a somewhat similar to Windows 10 public releases versus long-term servicing channel (LTSC) versions where LTSC releases take a snapshot of the latest Windows 10/11 happenings every few years.

Therefore if my diagnosis is indeed correct, then this issue is something to be discussed on a Office mailing list and is not necessarily a screen reader problem that will be fixed by add-ons.

Cheers,

Joseph


any work updating the speech history addon, formally clip copy, to the new NVDA 2022? #addonrelease #addonrelease

Johnny Lam
 

hey guys, now that NVDA is updated to 2022, I haven't seen any news about some addons that are now incompatible, witch is really frustrating when the anual update breaks compatibility.
Just wondering if there were any attempts to update the speech history addon, formally clip copy, to support 2022? also the sys tray addon is now incompatible as well.
I haven't wanted to update to 2022 because of this reason of the addon compatibility, I remember when 2021 came out, we had to wait for some many months for the popular addons to be updated.


Re: Formatting issues in Word, add-on?

 

Hi all,

Update: based on the debug log Janet sent me (without going into details):

  1. Janet is using Microsoft 365 Version 2203 (latest public release/build 15028).
  2. Too early to tell, but the problem may actually lie with the way Janet moves to the next line without realizing the formatting is on. For example, after enabling boldface she moves to the end of the line, then presses Enter to move to the next line. This actually does not disable formatting such as boldface because it will carry over to subsequent lines. The user MUST turn off one or more formatting commands before moving to the next line in order to not get characters bolded/underlined/italicized, etc.
  3. As Brian points out and confirmed by folks using/subscribed to it, Microsoft 365 releases since 2016 are versioned 16.0. The "real" development takes place in Microsoft 365 with perpetual releases such as 2019 and 2021 being a snapshot that will be maintained for several years. Think of it a somewhat similar to Windows 10 public releases versus long-term servicing channel (LTSC) versions where LTSC releases take a snapshot of the latest Windows 10/11 happenings every few years.

Therefore if my diagnosis is indeed correct, then this issue is something to be discussed on a Office mailing list and is not necessarily a screen reader problem that will be fixed by add-ons.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Odd issue with NVDA and windows 11

Sarah k Alawami
 

That would want to make me pull what hair I have left  out, and I have very little hair left. Lol! This re the background progress bars. That is jus  I though.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2022 2:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Odd issue with NVDA and windows 11

 

Sighted person would have to look very hard, if the progress bar flashes up very quickly, and they could easily miss it.

 

I’ve also heard it when the computer is idle.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Armando Maldonado
Sent: 25 April 2022 22:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Odd issue with NVDA and windows 11

 

Thanks, I still don't understand why windows 11 would announce something that's not there, even had a sighted person check and nothing was displayed on screen, even did a clean install of NVDA and would still get odd behavior until I disabled saidoption.

Armando

On 4/25/2022 2:02 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Good stuff.

 

Basically, having that option checked, tells NVDA to tell you about any progress bar, whether it’s part of the app in focus or not.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Armando Maldonado
Sent: 25 April 2022 17:48
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Odd issue with NVDA and windows 11

 

Hello, that fixed it, thanks.

Armando

On 4/25/2022 9:40 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Hi Jean,

 

This is the Background Progress Bars option.  Clip from the user guide:-

 

Progress bar output

Key: NVDA+u

This option controls how NVDA reports progress bar updates to you.

It has the following options:

• Off: Progress bars will not be reported as they change.

• Speak: This option tells NVDA to speak the progress bar in percentages. Each time the progress bar changes, NVDA will speak the new value.

• Beep: This tells NVDA to beep each time the progress bar changes. The higher the beep, the closer the progress bar is to completion.

• Beep and speak: This option tells NVDA to both beep and speak when a progress bar updates.

Report background progress bars

This is an option that, when checked, tells NVDA to keep reporting a progress bar, even if it is not physically in the foreground. If you minimize or switch away from a window that contains a progress bar, NVDA will keep track of it, allowing you to do other things while NVDA tracks the progress bar.

 

** End Of Extract **

 

So just uncheck report background progress bars, and I believe that problem will go away.

 

All the best


Steve

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 21 April 2022 21:03
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Odd issue with NVDA and windows 11

 

I don't think this is an NVDA problem.  I think something is going on in Windows or a Windows program that is causing a progress bar to be displayed and NVDA is reading it.  If you alt tab around, do you see any window that gives any idea of what it might be?  Also, did this behavior start after any event, such as after updates were installed or after you installed a program?

Gene

On 4/21/2022 11:13 AM, Armando Maldonado wrote:

Hello,

Using latest build of NVDA along with Windows 11, I'm noticing that all of a sudden on its own, it reads progress bars. I am wondering if there's a way to turn this off, or what can be causing such behavior? The only way I get rid of this is if I turn off progress bar announcements, any help would be grately appreciated. Thanks.

Armando

 


Re: Odd issue with NVDA and windows 11

Steve Nutt
 

Sighted person would have to look very hard, if the progress bar flashes up very quickly, and they could easily miss it.

 

I’ve also heard it when the computer is idle.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Armando Maldonado
Sent: 25 April 2022 22:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Odd issue with NVDA and windows 11

 

Thanks, I still don't understand why windows 11 would announce something that's not there, even had a sighted person check and nothing was displayed on screen, even did a clean install of NVDA and would still get odd behavior until I disabled saidoption.

Armando

On 4/25/2022 2:02 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Good stuff.

 

Basically, having that option checked, tells NVDA to tell you about any progress bar, whether it’s part of the app in focus or not.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Armando Maldonado
Sent: 25 April 2022 17:48
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Odd issue with NVDA and windows 11

 

Hello, that fixed it, thanks.

Armando

On 4/25/2022 9:40 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Hi Jean,

 

This is the Background Progress Bars option.  Clip from the user guide:-

 

Progress bar output

Key: NVDA+u

This option controls how NVDA reports progress bar updates to you.

It has the following options:

• Off: Progress bars will not be reported as they change.

• Speak: This option tells NVDA to speak the progress bar in percentages. Each time the progress bar changes, NVDA will speak the new value.

• Beep: This tells NVDA to beep each time the progress bar changes. The higher the beep, the closer the progress bar is to completion.

• Beep and speak: This option tells NVDA to both beep and speak when a progress bar updates.

Report background progress bars

This is an option that, when checked, tells NVDA to keep reporting a progress bar, even if it is not physically in the foreground. If you minimize or switch away from a window that contains a progress bar, NVDA will keep track of it, allowing you to do other things while NVDA tracks the progress bar.

 

** End Of Extract **

 

So just uncheck report background progress bars, and I believe that problem will go away.

 

All the best


Steve

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 21 April 2022 21:03
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Odd issue with NVDA and windows 11

 

I don't think this is an NVDA problem.  I think something is going on in Windows or a Windows program that is causing a progress bar to be displayed and NVDA is reading it.  If you alt tab around, do you see any window that gives any idea of what it might be?  Also, did this behavior start after any event, such as after updates were installed or after you installed a program?

Gene

On 4/21/2022 11:13 AM, Armando Maldonado wrote:

Hello,

Using latest build of NVDA along with Windows 11, I'm noticing that all of a sudden on its own, it reads progress bars. I am wondering if there's a way to turn this off, or what can be causing such behavior? The only way I get rid of this is if I turn off progress bar announcements, any help would be grately appreciated. Thanks.

Armando

 

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