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Re: Tiflotecnia's Vocalizer ready for NVDA 2022.1?

Rui Fontes
 

For Vocalizer is already available for download on our web page.


For Vocalizer Expressive, since it is only compatible with NVDA 2022.1, we are waiting the oficial release...


Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.
 


Às 18:18 de 28/04/2022, Gerardo Corripio escreveu:

Just curious of what’s the status for the Tiflotecnia voices in are they ready for NVDA2022.1? I’ve currecntly run version 3.1.5. Thanks for info.

 

Enviado desde Correo para Windows

 


Re: Tiflotecnia's Vocalizer ready for NVDA 2022.1?

 

See message   posted by Rui Fontes early this month
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Tiflotecnia's Vocalizer ready for NVDA 2022.1?

Gerardo Corripio
 

Just curious of what’s the status for the Tiflotecnia voices in are they ready for NVDA2022.1? I’ve currecntly run version 3.1.5. Thanks for info.

 

Enviado desde Correo para Windows

 


Re: trouble with linked in and changing my twitter handle: nvda loses focus

Sarah k Alawami
 

Same behavior. I arrow past the twitter thing even tabbing past the twitter heading and it jumps back up to the top of the nav bar.  The only way to make this work is to go into document review and use nvda up and down arrow to get the account added. I never thought I would have to do this, only in the ARRL site did I think I would have to do this as NVDA misses stuff completely in browse mode and by regular ole arrows.

 

You can’t even tab out of the form and you don’t see it with E. This is a messed up site.----

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2022 8:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trouble with linked in and changing my twitter handle: nvda loses focus

 

What happens with Firefox?  You may prefer to use Chrome but Firefox, not being a Chrome-based browser may work significantly differently on pages where Chrome has a problem.

Gene

On 4/28/2022 10:32 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Situation

 

Nvda loses focus completely when I attempt to click the twitter heading.

 

Steps:

 

1. In google chrome go to http://linkedin.com

  1. Click your profile picture
  2. Click me, or click settings.
  3. Click partners and services.

Notice that the navigation sticks at the top. You can search for “twitter” and find it, but once you click it and go down you don’t see anymore text Instead, you get jumped back to the top of the nav bar. I tried with add ons disabled, and with narrator, with the same result. Object navigation does not show this main region at all. I have a debug log if anyone wants to see it, but I feel this is not a nvda issue. Can anyone else confirm and or deny this?

 

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Re: NVDA and AOL mail

Gene
 

But does what is described in the first message in the thread support that view?  In the first message, I checked it today because I didn't clearly remember details about the problem, when the person replies to a message, she sees correct information.  When she begins a new message, she doesn't. 

I'd like to know what happens with another screen-reader and what a sighted person sees on the page.

Gene

On 4/28/2022 10:34 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

The main reason for my recommendation has to do with DLL's that can become problematic given that a Windows 7 to 10 upgrade took place, along with a possibility that add-ons might be doing odd things provided that add-ons are indeed in use (unlikely but we cannot ignore that possibility). Perhaps a less drastic way would be running COM registration fixing tool and see if that resolves this provided that this person is using possibly affected browsers such as Edge and Firefo to access AOL web mail interface.

Cheers,

Joseph



Re: Eloquence and Punctuation Announcement

Sarah k Alawami
 

As the owner of a braille and speak, braille lite and braille lite m20 and braille and speak 2000 I understand the punctuation levels quite nicely and they just make sence to me.  If you are sighted or have never owned one of these units then it will not. That is all I can explain as it is  just intuitive for those of us with note takers.  None is none, and some is some of it, but nothing below that etc. it’s easy to understand, or can be if you have owned one of these units.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2022 4:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence and Punctuation Announcement

 

On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 06:47 PM, Gene wrote:

But I do think "my version" uses classes that match how people think of when something would be said.  You'll never convince me that level "none" meaning "announced always" and level "all" meaning "announced probably never under usual settings" is in any way intuitively obvious nor something where how someone


Re: NVDA and AOL mail

 

Hi,

Replying to my own: I guess an earlier message about unlabeled buttons confirms my suspicions. Also, we don't know which NVDA version the client is using, which can immensely help in narrowing down the scope a bit.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: NVDA and AOL mail

 

Hi,

The main reason for my recommendation has to do with DLL's that can become problematic given that a Windows 7 to 10 upgrade took place, along with a possibility that add-ons might be doing odd things provided that add-ons are indeed in use (unlikely but we cannot ignore that possibility). Perhaps a less drastic way would be running COM registration fixing tool and see if that resolves this provided that this person is using possibly affected browsers such as Edge and Firefo to access AOL web mail interface.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: trouble with linked in and changing my twitter handle: nvda loses focus

Gene
 

What happens with Firefox?  You may prefer to use Chrome but Firefox, not being a Chrome-based browser may work significantly differently on pages where Chrome has a problem.

Gene

On 4/28/2022 10:32 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Situation

 

Nvda loses focus completely when I attempt to click the twitter heading.

 

Steps:

 

1. In google chrome go to http://linkedin.com

  1. Click your profile picture
  2. Click me, or click settings.
  3. Click partners and services.

Notice that the navigation sticks at the top. You can search for “twitter” and find it, but once you click it and go down you don’t see anymore text Instead, you get jumped back to the top of the nav bar. I tried with add ons disabled, and with narrator, with the same result. Object navigation does not show this main region at all. I have a debug log if anyone wants to see it, but I feel this is not a nvda issue. Can anyone else confirm and or deny this?

 

----

 

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFfP. We are also on lbry as well.

 

Stay in touch with us via our discord. This is an easier way to both contact us, and get to know your fellow listeners.

 



trouble with linked in and changing my twitter handle: nvda loses focus

Sarah k Alawami
 

Situation

 

Nvda loses focus completely when I attempt to click the twitter heading.

 

Steps:

 

1. In google chrome go to http://linkedin.com

  1. Click your profile picture
  2. Click me, or click settings.
  3. Click partners and services.

Notice that the navigation sticks at the top. You can search for “twitter” and find it, but once you click it and go down you don’t see anymore text Instead, you get jumped back to the top of the nav bar. I tried with add ons disabled, and with narrator, with the same result. Object navigation does not show this main region at all. I have a debug log if anyone wants to see it, but I feel this is not a nvda issue. Can anyone else confirm and or deny this?

 

----

 

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFfP. We are also on lbry as well.

 

Stay in touch with us via our discord. This is an easier way to both contact us, and get to know your fellow listeners.

 


Re: Eloquence and Punctuation Announcement

Gene
 

You appear to be responding to what I wrote, not Brian.  He quotes, at the start of his message, as he usually does, a snippet regarding what he is responding to.

Gene

On 4/28/2022 10:09 AM, Dave Grossoehme wrote:

Bryan you hit the nail on the head, that's why the little word if is one of the largest words in the computer and programming world, and has been so for years.

Dave


On 4/27/2022 7:44 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 06:47 PM, Gene wrote:
The problem is that if you implemented your system, you would have two systems of control using the same terms in the opposite ways.  I think that would be far more confusing. 

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I'm not proposing actually implementing my system, as "that ship has already sailed," and it can create far more confusion to "reverse" a longstanding, if initially confusing, system.

But I do think "my version" uses classes that match how people think of when something would be said.  You'll never convince me that level "none" meaning "announced always" and level "all" meaning "announced probably never under usual settings" is in any way intuitively obvious nor something where how someone new to all this would ever think about it.

This isn't an insult aimed at the NVDA developers nor even at NVDA, as it has been endemic in the computing world for decades.  How programmers think, and how most typical men/women in the street think, and how they express themselves, is very often at odds.  This is one of the reasons I absolutely abhor the use of the description "intuitive" when used to apply to almost anything related to computing.  Intuitive as commonly construed means, "You can use it, and use it well, almost on sight and without any formal training."  That's never been true of a single thing in computing in all my decades in the field.  Things range from absolutely opaque through confusing through kinda comprehensible through quite approachable, but all of them require some sort of training, whether formal or just from someone who knows what they're doing, to let someone get proficient.

Heck, this single topic proves that in spades!  I will bet that the developers involved at each and every level and with each and every product discussed in this topic would swear up and down that, "This is intuitive!," and believe that.  It ain't.  It never was. 
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Re: Eloquence and Punctuation Announcement

Dave Grossoehme
 

Bryan you hit the nail on the head, that's why the little word if is one of the largest words in the computer and programming world, and has been so for years.

Dave


On 4/27/2022 7:44 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 06:47 PM, Gene wrote:
The problem is that if you implemented your system, you would have two systems of control using the same terms in the opposite ways.  I think that would be far more confusing. 

-
I'm not proposing actually implementing my system, as "that ship has already sailed," and it can create far more confusion to "reverse" a longstanding, if initially confusing, system.

But I do think "my version" uses classes that match how people think of when something would be said.  You'll never convince me that level "none" meaning "announced always" and level "all" meaning "announced probably never under usual settings" is in any way intuitively obvious nor something where how someone new to all this would ever think about it.

This isn't an insult aimed at the NVDA developers nor even at NVDA, as it has been endemic in the computing world for decades.  How programmers think, and how most typical men/women in the street think, and how they express themselves, is very often at odds.  This is one of the reasons I absolutely abhor the use of the description "intuitive" when used to apply to almost anything related to computing.  Intuitive as commonly construed means, "You can use it, and use it well, almost on sight and without any formal training."  That's never been true of a single thing in computing in all my decades in the field.  Things range from absolutely opaque through confusing through kinda comprehensible through quite approachable, but all of them require some sort of training, whether formal or just from someone who knows what they're doing, to let someone get proficient.

Heck, this single topic proves that in spades!  I will bet that the developers involved at each and every level and with each and every product discussed in this topic would swear up and down that, "This is intuitive!," and believe that.  It ain't.  It never was. 
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Re: NVDA and AOL mail

 

On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 10:45 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
At this point, besides moving to Gmail and other alternatives, I think it would be best to advise the student to completely reinstall NVDA, including ersetting settings to defaults and removing user settings data.
-
Seriously, Joseph, how would removing NVDA help?  Not that it would hurt, but unless this person has done scads of settings tweaks to NVDA that they did not otherwise want, and that did not solve the problem, I don't see what removing NVDA accomplishes.

Setting up an email client with her AOL account will work just fine if she absolutely, positively insists on using an AOL account.

There's nothing in this topic that precedes our offerings this morning that suggests much of anything was tweaked in regard to NVDA itself.
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NVDA add on collector

Charlie Dyasi
 

Hello guys, hope all of you are good.
I’m looking for that person, all those persons, who are NVDA add on collectors, and collect every add-on,, as well as keep the installation files, as well.
If any of you, is in the category that I’m looking for, please do email me, I am looking for NVDA add-ons.
I know I can download them from the NVDA page, but a zip file from a collector, would be something special.
There’s not a particular ad on that I’m looking for, so what ever someone has, I will appreciate it very much.
Hope all of you have a beautiful day ferther.

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Re: NVDA and AOL mail

 

Hi,

It looks like as though the AOL's web interface is not exposing the correct information to NVDA when it comes to indicating that you are entering a text area for email content. I've seen something similar before on an online platform used in higher education institutions. At this point, besides moving to Gmail and other alternatives, I think it would be best to advise the student to completely reinstall NVDA, including ersetting settings to defaults and removing user settings data.

Cheers,

Jsoeph


Re: Clipspeak add-on for NVDA

 

Hi all,

A month later...

Beginning on April 28, 2022 at 8 AM Pacific (15:00 UTC), ClipSpeak 2022.04 (updated version compatible with upcoming NVDA 2022.1) will be deployed via Add-on Updater. For most of you, by the time you read this post, Add-on Updater may prompt you to update a number of add-ons, including ClipSpeak.

As for timely add-on updates, while folks maintaining add-on files repository cannot guarantee it all the time, we are doing everything we can to make sure add-on updates are released shortly after they are published by authors.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Eloquence and Punctuation Announcement

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

Thanks for the  explanation however, in NVDA, based on the combo box order in the Symbols/Punctuation dialog, the "Symbol/Punctuation level" has 5 settings, in order of precedence:

None

Some

Most

All

Character.       

The "Character" setting is different in that any symbol that has this setting will only ever be spoken when navigating the text in which it occurs by character, irrespective of the reading Punctuation level.  Say All, Say line and Say word will ignore symbols with the "Character" level set.    

 

Cheers

                Chris

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Luke Davis
Sent: 28 April 2022 00:40
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence and Punctuation Announcement

 

Brian Vogel wrote:

 

> I have always found the way things are phrase with regard to NVDA and punctuation to be completely

> counterintuitive, at least to me.            It has taken me quite a while, and I still sometimes forget, that the level designation assigned to a given

> punctuation is the FIRST level at which it will rise to the point of being announced, but will not be announced at lower, more restrictive levels.         

>   I will always find it weird that "none" doesn't equate to "never."  If you have something set to level none that equates to "always,"

 

Because you are thinking of it from the punctuation's point of view.

As in: "when should we speak this punctuation?"

 

In the following discussion, I am talking about screen readers in general, so

terminology might not be exact.

This is not an NVDA thing, but is a screen reader thing from way back.

 

The prospective from which you are intended to think of this, is from the

reader's prospective.

As in: "How much punctuation do I want spoken while I'm reading?"

 

If you want "some" punctuation spoken while you're reading, you set your reading

punctuation (NVDA+P) to "some".

 

But now you have an issue: how do you specify something that should be spoken at

level "some"?

 

That brings us to the punctuation and symbols dictionary.

 

The reading levels there, are the same levels you get if you use the reading

punctuation command talked about above.

 

If you have your reading punctuation verbosity set to "some", you would expect

"most" to give you the same and more.

 

And that is why the levels cascade in that direction.

 

If something is to be spoken at some, it should definitely be spoken at most and

all.

 

If you want a punctuation to be spoken even when punctuation reading is set to

"none", then it should definitely be spoken at "some", "most", and "all".

 

Luke

 

 

 

 

 


Re: NVDA and AOL mail

Gene
 

I just checked and you can use AOL with e-mail programs. 

Gene

On 4/28/2022 8:02 AM, Gene via groups.io wrote:
This wasn't specifically discussed but I doubt the problem is related to NVDA at all.  I have no idea what is causing the problem, which sounds as though something is keeping certain characters being typed in the message body from reaching the page. 

Using an e-mail program instead of the web interface might well solve the problem.  Is there a reason that isn't a good work around?

Gene
On 4/28/2022 7:50 AM, margaretm@... wrote:
Thank you for the suggestions. So far, nothing has solve the issue.  I realize I should get her away from AOL but she is not open to that idea just yet.  One update, it appears she began having this problem when she upgraded from Windows 7 to 10.  Does that indicate any specific issue?
Thanks again for all the help!



Re: NVDA and AOL mail

Gene
 

This wasn't specifically discussed but I doubt the problem is related to NVDA at all.  I have no idea what is causing the problem, which sounds as though something is keeping certain characters being typed in the message body from reaching the page. 

Using an e-mail program instead of the web interface might well solve the problem.  Is there a reason that isn't a good work around?

Gene

On 4/28/2022 7:50 AM, margaretm@... wrote:
Thank you for the suggestions. So far, nothing has solve the issue.  I realize I should get her away from AOL but she is not open to that idea just yet.  One update, it appears she began having this problem when she upgraded from Windows 7 to 10.  Does that indicate any specific issue?
Thanks again for all the help!


Re: NVDA and AOL mail

margaretm@...
 

Thank you for the suggestions. So far, nothing has solve the issue.  I realize I should get her away from AOL but she is not open to that idea just yet.  One update, it appears she began having this problem when she upgraded from Windows 7 to 10.  Does that indicate any specific issue?
Thanks again for all the help!

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