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Re: mouse hover

Gene
 

NVDA key enter isn't described in input help.  All NVDA says is NVDA enter.  What does it do that just enter doesn't?

Gene

On 5/3/2022 9:50 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Hi Jean,

 

In certain applications like Quickbooks, the Mouse Over thing expands a menu, so you have to use it.

 

NVDA isn’t good at coping with Mouse Overs, JAWS takes you directly to it, with Control Insert Enter, but you may be able to achieve the same with NVDA Key and Enter.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 02 May 2022 00:13
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] mouse hover

 

I often find that on web pages, using NVDA, the mouse can't be moved to your current position.  I don't know if other screen-readers allow that.  But even if you could, it would be very cumbersome to use such a way of working in NVDA. 

In JAWS, when you are on such a link, you hear mouse over announced. There is a JAWS command to do the equivalent of hovering the mouse over the link.  You are told something like, page changes at line 11.  You can then use a jump to line command to jump to that line and see what has changed.  You can, as I recall, use a return to your previous position command when you want to go back to where you were.

With NVDA, you would have to hover the mouse, and with no feed back about where the page changed, look through the page to see if you could find where the new material is. 

I almost never miss information I want by not using this feature.  I can't say I don't miss any information but I have never missed the ability.  And in JAWS, I often find that mouse over links add nothing useful, maybe changing the page visually in some way in some place.

Others who use the Internet in different ways may have different opinions but I suspect that this is one of the most unneeded possible features and I suspect that that is why JAWS is the only screen-reader to have it.

Gene

On 5/1/2022 5:40 PM, Monte Single wrote:

Hi List,

 

Lately I have come across online pages where I am supposed to let the mouse hover  on a link or message for “moreoptions”.

Can I do the equivilant   of a mouse hover  with nvda and not tare my hair out?

 

Thanks,

 

Mont

 



Re: I've really managed to mess up my Thunderbird

Gene
 

You explained how to install an add-on using NVDA itself, that is, using the built in browser to search for and install an add-on.  I may try to find your original message but as I recall, you said, however you worded it, that you can't install an add-on from a downloaded file.  I explained how you can download an add-on using an independent browser and install it.

Gene

On 5/3/2022 8:05 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 01:25 AM, Gene wrote:
Also, it is not true that you can't install an add-on from a file you have downloaded in a browser.
-
Where did I say that, Gene?  I didn't.
 
--

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You can't crush ideas by suppressing them. You can only crush them by ignoring them.
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Re: I've really managed to mess up my Thunderbird

Gene
 

I don't see why the attachment would cause the problem.  I suggested removing it because at times, seemingly irrational things happen.

As far as seeing messages in a different window is concerned, I don't see why that would cause what you are describing, but in another message, after I find it, I'll explain how to change a setting to have all messages display in the same window.

Gene

On 5/3/2022 6:31 AM, Larry Higgins wrote:
Well Gene, I never managed to get the Thunderbird addon installed, but did get the columns addon installed for NVDA, and it really looked like I had something. At least I had the read and unread labels set at the beginning of the message columns presentation.


Now I can't be sure that might have had nothing to do with it, but at the time, it didn't appear so.


Now my messages are opening up in another window, and in that setting, I have quite a bit of screen clutter, but at least I can read my mail.


I am using the reply to all option on the messages web page looking presentation in that window to send this reply.


Thank God I'm not completely out of the saddle, but it just isn't anything like the way I prefer my environment to look like or function.


Hopefully I have given you and anyone else who could add some helpful suggestions enough details to work with.


And yes, I was considering uninstalling the whole program.


I was reading an article going back to 2013 suggesting that one in this circumstance could uninstall a couple of settings and configuration files, but considering the changes that Thunderbird goes through over time, I'm definitely hesitant to do any of that.


Surely there has to be a way.


BTW, I really don't wish to discuss this topic here on this list, especially due to the fact that this is probably not even close to an NVDA issue, so if any of you could just send suggestions to the address below, that would most likely be preferable to all concerned.


larryhiggins22@...

Thanks a bunch,

Larry

On 5/3/2022 12:01 AM, Gene wrote:
I doubt that uninstalling and reinstalling Thunderbird would solve the problem unless you do more than just a typical uninstallation. Thunderbird, as do most programs now, save settings when uninstalled in case the user wants to install and use the program again.  If this is a settings problem, uninstalling and reinstalling should not correct it.

If the wrong add-on has been placed in the program, it may be that uninstalling and reinstalling the program would solve the problem. That may uninstall the add-on.  But if you are using a POP3 account, would you lose the e-mail stored in the program?  I don't know but if you don't want to take a chance, don't uninstall it until you find out.

You could try uninstalling the add-on just to see if that helps.

Gene













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Re: Using the Thunderbird addon

Gene
 

There is an NVDA add-on that provides first letter navigation in the folders tree view.

If you use NVDA, there is an NVDA add-on that makes arranging the order of headers such as from line and subject line accessible.  You can also cause headers to be shown or not shown.

Do you want information on both add-ons?

Gene

On 5/3/2022 6:30 AM, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:
Is there an NVDA addon for thunderbird? I didn't see one when I pressed alt+g in manage addons.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rui Fontes" <rui.fontes@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, May 2, 2022 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using the Thunderbird addon


NVDA+H


Rui Fontes


Às 20:47 de 02/05/2022, Larry Higgins escreveu:
I just downloaded the Thunderbird addon for column arrangement and would like to know how to access it within Thunderbird client. Just the key stroke, I'll take it from there, or at least I hope that will be the case <smile>.


Thanks,


Larry

















.


Re: mouse hover

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Jean,

 

In certain applications like Quickbooks, the Mouse Over thing expands a menu, so you have to use it.

 

NVDA isn’t good at coping with Mouse Overs, JAWS takes you directly to it, with Control Insert Enter, but you may be able to achieve the same with NVDA Key and Enter.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 02 May 2022 00:13
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] mouse hover

 

I often find that on web pages, using NVDA, the mouse can't be moved to your current position.  I don't know if other screen-readers allow that.  But even if you could, it would be very cumbersome to use such a way of working in NVDA. 

In JAWS, when you are on such a link, you hear mouse over announced. There is a JAWS command to do the equivalent of hovering the mouse over the link.  You are told something like, page changes at line 11.  You can then use a jump to line command to jump to that line and see what has changed.  You can, as I recall, use a return to your previous position command when you want to go back to where you were.

With NVDA, you would have to hover the mouse, and with no feed back about where the page changed, look through the page to see if you could find where the new material is. 

I almost never miss information I want by not using this feature.  I can't say I don't miss any information but I have never missed the ability.  And in JAWS, I often find that mouse over links add nothing useful, maybe changing the page visually in some way in some place.

Others who use the Internet in different ways may have different opinions but I suspect that this is one of the most unneeded possible features and I suspect that that is why JAWS is the only screen-reader to have it.

Gene

On 5/1/2022 5:40 PM, Monte Single wrote:

Hi List,

 

Lately I have come across online pages where I am supposed to let the mouse hover  on a link or message for “moreoptions”.

Can I do the equivilant   of a mouse hover  with nvda and not tare my hair out?

 

Thanks,

 

Mont

 


Re: pronouncing nine hundred

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

I can't confirm this using Microsoft SAPI5 with ETI Eloquence from code factory. 900 reds as it should.


On 5/3/2022 7:54 AM, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:
No matter which Sappi 5 synth I use nine zero zero is pronounced nine point o o.
 
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Re: I've really managed to mess up my Thunderbird

 

On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 01:25 AM, Gene wrote:
Also, it is not true that you can't install an add-on from a file you have downloaded in a browser.
-
Where did I say that, Gene?  I didn't.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

You can't crush ideas by suppressing them. You can only crush them by ignoring them.
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Re: Using the Thunderbird addon

 

Robert,

You really need to review topics in their entirety before posting additional questions that have, literally, just been answered.

I have no intention of retyping step-by-step instructions that I literally just offered less than 24 hours ago, on this very topic, on how to install the Quick Folder Key Navigation Thunderbird add-on.  Gene gave the direct link to the Mozilla Apps Enhancements NVDA add-on, and I gave it again as well.

Review the content of the topic, please.  It's the very least you can do.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

You can't crush ideas by suppressing them. You can only crush them by ignoring them.
     ~ Ursula LeGuin, The Dispossessed


Re: pronouncing nine hundred

 

Check your speech dictionaries.  This sounds like a direct side effect of one of the "quick and dirty" methods that have been proposed for getting numbers pronounced as single digits rather than, in this case, nine hundred.
--

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You can't crush ideas by suppressing them. You can only crush them by ignoring them.
     ~ Ursula LeGuin, The Dispossessed


pronouncing nine hundred

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

No matter which Sappi 5 synth I use nine zero zero is pronounced nine point o o.
 
******
God has a plan for me. I may not see it right away but I'm willing to wait on the blessing he has in store for me!
 
______
 
Family times Theatre
http://familytimes.wrighthere.net:9244/stream
Ask your smart speaker to play Family Times on tune-in


Re: Using the Thunderbird addon

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 


Brian, I am switching for the first time to thunderbird. I have five accounts. How do I jump from account to account?

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 2, 2022 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using the Thunderbird addon

And this is an excellent example of the difference between an actual Thunderbird add-on, Quick Folder Key Navigation, and an NVDA add-on that works with Thunderbird (and Firefox), Mozilla Apps Enhancements.

I've been recommending the Quick Folder Key Navigation Thunderbird Add-On for any screen reader user of Thunderbird for years now.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

You can't crush ideas by suppressing them. You can only crush them by ignoring them.
     ~ Ursula LeGuin, The Dispossessed


Re: I've really managed to mess up my Thunderbird

Larry Higgins
 

Well Gene, I never managed to get the Thunderbird addon installed, but did get the columns addon installed for NVDA, and it really looked like I had something. At least I had the read and unread labels set at the beginning of the message columns presentation.


Now I can't be sure that might have had nothing to do with it, but at the time, it didn't appear so.


Now my messages are opening up in another window, and in that setting, I have quite a bit of screen clutter, but at least I can read my mail.


I am using the reply to all option on the messages web page looking presentation in that window to send this reply.


Thank God I'm not completely out of the saddle, but it just isn't anything like the way I prefer my environment to look like or function.


Hopefully I have given you and anyone else who could add some helpful suggestions enough details to work with.


And yes, I was considering uninstalling the whole program.


I was reading an article going back to 2013 suggesting that one in this circumstance could uninstall a couple of settings and configuration files, but considering the changes that Thunderbird goes through over time, I'm definitely hesitant to do any of that.


Surely there has to be a way.


BTW, I really don't wish to discuss this topic here on this list, especially due to the fact that this is probably not even close to an NVDA issue, so if any of you could just send suggestions to the address below, that would most likely be preferable to all concerned.


larryhiggins22@...

Thanks a bunch,

Larry

On 5/3/2022 12:01 AM, Gene wrote:
I doubt that uninstalling and reinstalling Thunderbird would solve the problem unless you do more than just a typical uninstallation. Thunderbird, as do most programs now, save settings when uninstalled in case the user wants to install and use the program again.  If this is a settings problem, uninstalling and reinstalling should not correct it.

If the wrong add-on has been placed in the program, it may be that uninstalling and reinstalling the program would solve the problem. That may uninstall the add-on.  But if you are using a POP3 account, would you lose the e-mail stored in the program?  I don't know but if you don't want to take a chance, don't uninstall it until you find out.

You could try uninstalling the add-on just to see if that helps.

Gene







Re: Using the Thunderbird addon

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

Is there an NVDA addon for thunderbird? I didn't see one when I pressed alt+g in manage addons.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rui Fontes" <rui.fontes@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, May 2, 2022 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using the Thunderbird addon


NVDA+H


Rui Fontes


Às 20:47 de 02/05/2022, Larry Higgins escreveu:
I just downloaded the Thunderbird addon for column arrangement and would like to know how to access it within Thunderbird client. Just the key stroke, I'll take it from there, or at least I hope that will be the case <smile>.


Thanks,


Larry








Re: Using the Thunderbird addon

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 


I am going to be switching to Thunderbird for the first time. Where do I find  "quick folder"

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 2, 2022 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using the Thunderbird addon

And this is an excellent example of the difference between an actual Thunderbird add-on, Quick Folder Key Navigation, and an NVDA add-on that works with Thunderbird (and Firefox), Mozilla Apps Enhancements.

I've been recommending the Quick Folder Key Navigation Thunderbird Add-On for any screen reader user of Thunderbird for years now.
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You can't crush ideas by suppressing them. You can only crush them by ignoring them.
     ~ Ursula LeGuin, The Dispossessed


Re: can't navigate using arrow keys in any edit fields

 

Hi,

Can you do the following please:

  1. Restart NVDA in debug mode (NVDA+Q, select "restart with debug logging").
  2. Reproduce the issue (say, press arrow keys while focused on any edit field).
  3. Provide the debug log (open NVDA log viewer with NVDA+F1, select all, then copy and paste the selected log text as a private email reply to me).

I will then perform some analysis and provide results to the forum afterwards if I notice something.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: can't navigate using arrow keys in any edit fields

VI Techability
 

hi the nvda version is 2021.3.5  and windows version is 21H2 (OS Build 22000.652) 

windows 11 home


Re: I've really managed to mess up my Thunderbird

Gene
 

I forgot to indicate in my last message that I was responding to Brian's message.  I had meant to remove the messages below mine as well.

Gene

On 5/3/2022 12:24 AM, Gene wrote:
Also, it is not true that you can't install an add-on from a file you have downloaded in a browser.

In the add-ons section of Preferences, if you tab around, you will see a button that says something like tools for all extensions and it is a menu.  If you press the space bar on it, you will see an item in the menu that says install add-on from file.

Press enter on it and, as i recall, a typical open dialog will appear which you can use to install the add-on.

Gene

On 5/2/2022 11:52 PM, Gene via groups.io wrote:
An excellent demonstration of why I keep recommending use of Thunderbird Portable.  I'm not saying this can't be corrected but if Thunderbird Portable were being used, all that would have to be done is delete the version of Thunderbird being used, and paste a backup of the program that you would keep current so you can replace the copy you are using and not lose new things such as settings, or if you are using an MP3 account, messages.

You would copy the folder to the location where you have the copy of the program you usually use.

Gene

On 5/2/2022 10:27 PM, Larry Higgins wrote:
Well, for some reason, my message pane wont go on or off by pressing F8, and when I run across it in the view menu under the layout heading it says not available, but checked. That is a weird one indeed, at least I think so.


Someone mentioned that I might have a setting turned on in preferences that messages should show like Web pages, but I still have to check that one out.


OK, I went and tried to find that Web page option, and think I may have found it, but it made no difference. Woe is me.


I'll probably just have to go sleep on it, and maybe something will come to me.

Thanks, and please let me know if any new ideas occur to you all.

On 5/2/2022 9:25 PM, Richard Kuzma via groups.io wrote:
Good evening,
Sounds like you got your email view set to something like a web page view.
There are settings in the preferences for that.
If you cant find it , I will check it here and let you know.
Sorry for being general but might be a start.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Larry Higgins
Sent: Monday, May 2, 2022 9:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've really managed to mess up my Thunderbird

OK, please permit me to either clarify, or muddy the waters, as well as your understanding about this mess I've managed to create for myself.


I am not suggesting that this happened due to anything to do with the
addon, only that was what my major preoccupation at the time happened to be.


The real problems seem to be these, that I can't simply begin reading a
message from the top, but have to tab around to begin to be in any
position to hear any of the message read to me at all. the screen looks
more like a web page than a message screen.


Also, I cannot reply to any message unless I tab down to the reply and
press enter on that link. I cannot reply by using the ctrl+R key. Just
down right weird.


I just want my normal presentation back. I am pretty sure that it is the
same one that the rest of you are using.


I also hope I'm not replying to the wrong message, but to myown.


OK, I'll stop now before making an absolute ass of myself.


I'm sure there must be a solution, but be it far from me ...


I don't seem  to be able to bring up anything like browse mode in this
situation, but I can still  work with it with my Edge created Google app.




On 5/2/2022 8:20 PM, Larry Higgins via groups.io wrote:
Oh Listers,


While playing trying to install an addon, I have managed to completely
mess up the view/presentation in Thunderbird. In other words, I no
longer get the usual presentation of the message body, where I can
immediately begin reading, but a whole lot of clutter about threads,
an dconversation and such when I tab through the message  trying to
locate the message body. This is the same no matter what screen reader
I might use.


When I press enter on a message, I can no longer just arrow down
through it, nor use read all to read it. Nothing but silence until I
tab, and finally run into the message body by using a combination of
tab and arrow keys.


I have tried all kinds of views, as well as  to get back to normal by
moving from simple HTML, original HTML, as well as plain text, but no
go. I can find nothing like default settings to fall back on.


I am using Windows 10, and of course NVDA, and have also tried working
with JFW, but with no success.


Please help!,


Larry





















.




Re: I've really managed to mess up my Thunderbird

Gene
 

Also, it is not true that you can't install an add-on from a file you have downloaded in a browser.

In the add-ons section of Preferences, if you tab around, you will see a button that says something like tools for all extensions and it is a menu.  If you press the space bar on it, you will see an item in the menu that says install add-on from file.

Press enter on it and, as i recall, a typical open dialog will appear which you can use to install the add-on.

Gene

On 5/2/2022 11:52 PM, Gene via groups.io wrote:
An excellent demonstration of why I keep recommending use of Thunderbird Portable.  I'm not saying this can't be corrected but if Thunderbird Portable were being used, all that would have to be done is delete the version of Thunderbird being used, and paste a backup of the program that you would keep current so you can replace the copy you are using and not lose new things such as settings, or if you are using an MP3 account, messages.

You would copy the folder to the location where you have the copy of the program you usually use.

Gene

On 5/2/2022 10:27 PM, Larry Higgins wrote:
Well, for some reason, my message pane wont go on or off by pressing F8, and when I run across it in the view menu under the layout heading it says not available, but checked. That is a weird one indeed, at least I think so.


Someone mentioned that I might have a setting turned on in preferences that messages should show like Web pages, but I still have to check that one out.


OK, I went and tried to find that Web page option, and think I may have found it, but it made no difference. Woe is me.


I'll probably just have to go sleep on it, and maybe something will come to me.

Thanks, and please let me know if any new ideas occur to you all.

On 5/2/2022 9:25 PM, Richard Kuzma via groups.io wrote:
Good evening,
Sounds like you got your email view set to something like a web page view.
There are settings in the preferences for that.
If you cant find it , I will check it here and let you know.
Sorry for being general but might be a start.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Larry Higgins
Sent: Monday, May 2, 2022 9:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've really managed to mess up my Thunderbird

OK, please permit me to either clarify, or muddy the waters, as well as your understanding about this mess I've managed to create for myself.


I am not suggesting that this happened due to anything to do with the
addon, only that was what my major preoccupation at the time happened to be.


The real problems seem to be these, that I can't simply begin reading a
message from the top, but have to tab around to begin to be in any
position to hear any of the message read to me at all. the screen looks
more like a web page than a message screen.


Also, I cannot reply to any message unless I tab down to the reply and
press enter on that link. I cannot reply by using the ctrl+R key. Just
down right weird.


I just want my normal presentation back. I am pretty sure that it is the
same one that the rest of you are using.


I also hope I'm not replying to the wrong message, but to myown.


OK, I'll stop now before making an absolute ass of myself.


I'm sure there must be a solution, but be it far from me ...


I don't seem  to be able to bring up anything like browse mode in this
situation, but I can still  work with it with my Edge created Google app.




On 5/2/2022 8:20 PM, Larry Higgins via groups.io wrote:
Oh Listers,


While playing trying to install an addon, I have managed to completely
mess up the view/presentation in Thunderbird. In other words, I no
longer get the usual presentation of the message body, where I can
immediately begin reading, but a whole lot of clutter about threads,
an dconversation and such when I tab through the message  trying to
locate the message body. This is the same no matter what screen reader
I might use.


When I press enter on a message, I can no longer just arrow down
through it, nor use read all to read it. Nothing but silence until I
tab, and finally run into the message body by using a combination of
tab and arrow keys.


I have tried all kinds of views, as well as  to get back to normal by
moving from simple HTML, original HTML, as well as plain text, but no
go. I can find nothing like default settings to fall back on.


I am using Windows 10, and of course NVDA, and have also tried working
with JFW, but with no success.


Please help!,


Larry





















.



Re: I've really managed to mess up my Thunderbird

Gene
 

I doubt that uninstalling and reinstalling Thunderbird would solve the problem unless you do more than just a typical uninstallation.  Thunderbird, as do most programs now, save settings when uninstalled in case the user wants to install and use the program again.  If this is a settings problem, uninstalling and reinstalling should not correct it.

If the wrong add-on has been placed in the program, it may be that uninstalling and reinstalling the program would solve the problem.  That may uninstall the add-on.  But if you are using a POP3 account, would you lose the e-mail stored in the program?  I don't know but if you don't want to take a chance, don't uninstall it until you find out.

You could try uninstalling the add-on just to see if that helps.

Gene



Re: I've really managed to mess up my Thunderbird

Gene
 

I've had the message pane on for short times using Thunderbird and I never have to tab when opening a message to see the message body.  I open a message and read it as usual.  All the message pane does is display the message when you move to it and don't open it in a part of the Thunderbird window.  None of the described symptoms are view pane ways of displaying messages.  When you read a message in the view pane, it is like reading it when you open it.

Gene

On 5/2/2022 9:57 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Larry,

Are you sure you didn't activate the message pain window by accident? If so , the press "F8 to deactivate it. If you have it activated, you must tab past it with every message to see the full message body.


On 5/2/2022 9:45 PM, Larry Higgins wrote:
OK, please permit me to either clarify, or muddy the waters, as well as your understanding about this mess I've managed to create for myself.


I am not suggesting that this happened due to anything to do with the addon, only that was what my major preoccupation at the time happened to be.


The real problems seem to be these, that I can't simply begin reading a message from the top, but have to tab around to begin to be in any position to hear any of the message read to me at all. the screen looks more like a web page than a message screen.


Also, I cannot reply to any message unless I tab down to the reply and press enter on that link. I cannot reply by using the ctrl+R key. Just down right weird.


I just want my normal presentation back. I am pretty sure that it is the same one that the rest of you are using.


I also hope I'm not replying to the wrong message, but to myown.


OK, I'll stop now before making an absolute ass of myself.


I'm sure there must be a solution, but be it far from me ...


I don't seem  to be able to bring up anything like browse mode in this situation, but I can still  work with it with my Edge created Google app.




On 5/2/2022 8:20 PM, Larry Higgins via groups.io wrote:
Oh Listers,


While playing trying to install an addon, I have managed to completely mess up the view/presentation in Thunderbird. In other words, I no longer get the usual presentation of the message body, where I can immediately begin reading, but a whole lot of clutter about threads, an dconversation and such when I tab through the message  trying to locate the message body. This is the same no matter what screen reader I might use.


When I press enter on a message, I can no longer just arrow down through it, nor use read all to read it. Nothing but silence until I tab, and finally run into the message body by using a combination of tab and arrow keys.


I have tried all kinds of views, as well as  to get back to normal by moving from simple HTML, original HTML, as well as plain text, but no go. I can find nothing like default settings to fall back on.


I am using Windows 10, and of course NVDA, and have also tried working with JFW, but with no success.


Please help!,


Larry













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