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Re: I've really managed to mess up my Thunderbird

Gene
 

On looking further, I found a solution that appears to be a better one and the correct one for the problem as presented.  It appears the possible solution I gave before is only for opening a single thread as conversation or not as a conversation.  Here is how to change the setting in the program itself to view all conversations as conversations or everything as individual messages.

I just checked how to see messages by conversation in Thunderbird with a Google search.

Open the view menu and open the sort by submenu.
Down arrow through a lot of items and you will see threaded and unthreaded.  If threaded is checked, move to unthreaded and press enter.  You have now set the program to use unthreaded and you will now see all messages as individual messages as you did before.  Perhaps that is what you changed somehow and not the other setting I thought you changed.

Gene

On 5/3/2022 11:38 AM, Gene via groups.io wrote:
I'm sending this message because you opened this discussion in two different groups and the probable solution hasn't been posted here.

I asked Larry to paste or describe, I'm not sure how I put it, the clutter he sees before he gets to the message body in an opened message.  He sent the following content:
Delete this conversation
Archive this conversation
Junk this message
Expand/collapse all messages
Toggle read/unread all messages
Show this conversation in a new tab

It looked to me as though this might be the result of showing messages by conversation.  I gave the following possible solution, that I think is likely to solve the problem.

I first said that it is important to give details about problems when asking about them and that now you (Larry) will probably get better help.  I then gave this procedure to change the setting to not view messages by conversation:
It appears to me that the way to do so is the following:
In the main program window, open the menus.
Right arrow to message.
Down arrow to open and press enter.  That turned off view messages by conversation when I did that.

Gene



Re: pronouncing nine hundred

 

Curtis,

Between yourself, myself, Ron Canazzi, we've all falsified both claims that it's NVDA itself (in out of the box state) or it's the synths.  We've all tested 900 in digits and had them announced as nine hundred across multiple synths.

A synth will only pronounce what it's handed.  There is never an instance where nine zero zero with no actual intervening point/period should have such announced barring something having been done that hands 9.00 to the synth.

This problem is idiosyncratic to the original poster's machine and ecosystem.  As the fault lies there, so will the solution.  The solution has a probability very close to zero of involving any given synth or NVDA in its out of the box state.  It would be very easy to run the NVDA installer and create a portable copy on a USB thumb drive or even in a temporary folder on the machine of one's own creation.  Running that portable version of NVDA as a test, with the same documents and using the same synth, but adding nothing else in the line of add-ons, dictionaries, etc., is an acid test for the NVDA side.  Changing synths, both in the installed NVDA and portable NVDA, and comparing voice output is the acid test for the synth side.
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Re: pronouncing nine hundred

Curtis Delzer
 

now, that's interesting. my synth which I use with NVDA which is the IBM version of Eloquence, (free btw) says nine hundred, which is in  the subject of your message. :) HMM.

On 5/3/2022 4:54 AM, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:
No matter which Sappi 5 synth I use nine zero zero is pronounced nine point o o.
 
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Re: Using the Thunderbird addon

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Gene,

This is a Thunderbird add on--not an NVDA add on.
It is called quick key folder navigation.


On 5/3/2022 11:11 AM, Gene wrote:
There is an NVDA add-on that provides first letter navigation in the folders tree view.

If you use NVDA, there is an NVDA add-on that makes arranging the order of headers such as from line and subject line accessible.  You can also cause headers to be shown or not shown.

Do you want information on both add-ons?

Gene
On 5/3/2022 6:30 AM, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:
Is there an NVDA addon for thunderbird? I didn't see one when I pressed alt+g in manage addons.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rui Fontes" <rui.fontes@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, May 2, 2022 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using the Thunderbird addon


NVDA+H


Rui Fontes


Às 20:47 de 02/05/2022, Larry Higgins escreveu:
I just downloaded the Thunderbird addon for column arrangement and would like to know how to access it within Thunderbird client. Just the key stroke, I'll take it from there, or at least I hope that will be the case <smile>.


Thanks,


Larry

















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Re: pronouncing nine hundred

 

On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 11:55 AM, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:
I just tested it in notepad with the same result.
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A synthesizer, any synthesizer, can only read what it's handed.  Yes, there are occasional mispronunciations, but reading the three digits 9 0 0 other than nine-hundred is not something that "just happens."  Something is causing the wrong thing to be passed to the synthesizer.

Check your dictionary/dictionaries, for starters.  That is the most likely root of a problem like this.
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Re: I've really managed to mess up my Thunderbird

Gene
 

I'm sending this message because you opened this discussion in two different groups and the probable solution hasn't been posted here.

I asked Larry to paste or describe, I'm not sure how I put it, the clutter he sees before he gets to the message body in an opened message.  He sent the following content:
Delete this conversation
Archive this conversation
Junk this message
Expand/collapse all messages
Toggle read/unread all messages
Show this conversation in a new tab

It looked to me as though this might be the result of showing messages by conversation.  I gave the following possible solution, that I think is likely to solve the problem.

I first said that it is important to give details about problems when asking about them and that now you (Larry) will probably get better help.  I then gave this procedure to change the setting to not view messages by conversation:
It appears to me that the way to do so is the following:
In the main program window, open the menus.
Right arrow to message.
Down arrow to open and press enter.  That turned off view messages by conversation when I did that.

Gene


Re: I've really managed to mess up my Thunderbird

Gene
 

You said:
"Thunderbird add-ons (AKA Extensions) are installed from within Thunderbird itself, using the rough equivalent of NVDA Add-Ons Manager."  That doesn't say there isn't another way, but it could very easily be taken to mean that there isn't.  However, since you didn't say there is no other way, I should have said that there is another way instead of saying you said there isn't. 

I generally don't miscarachterize what you say but misinterpretations or mistakes are something anyone may make on occasion.

Gene

On 5/3/2022 10:30 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 11:21 AM, Gene wrote:
I may try to find your original message but as I recall, you said, however you worded it, that you can't install an add-on from a downloaded file. 
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First, this message, which I've conveniently found for your review, see , was in the topic Using the Thunderbird addon, not this one.

I said absolutely nothing in that post regarding other methods, I gave what I consider the most common, and convenient, way of acquiring Thunderbird add-ons sans any comment about alternative methods (none of which had been previously discussed in any detail, I might add).  I will ask you, again, to please stop reacting to what you think I've said when I've said no such thing.

Also, and I know it can happen, please try to avoid "cross tying" two different topics.  We all do it by accident every once in a while.
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Re: Using the Thunderbird addon

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

i have it taken care of.

On 5/3/2022 7:03 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Robert,

You really need to review topics in their entirety before posting additional questions that have, literally, just been answered.

I have no intention of retyping step-by-step instructions that I literally just offered less than 24 hours ago, on this very topic, on how to install the Quick Folder Key Navigation Thunderbird add-on.  Gene gave the direct link to the Mozilla Apps Enhancements NVDA add-on, and I gave it again as well.

Review the content of the topic, please.  It's the very least you can do.
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Re: pronouncing nine hundred

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

I just tested it in notepad with the same result.

On 5/3/2022 8:25 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,

I can't confirm this using Microsoft SAPI5 with ETI Eloquence from code factory. 900 reds as it should.


On 5/3/2022 7:54 AM, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:
No matter which Sappi 5 synth I use nine zero zero is pronounced nine point o o.
 
******
God has a plan for me. I may not see it right away but I'm willing to wait on the blessing he has in store for me!
 
______
 
Family times Theatre
http://familytimes.wrighthere.net:9244/stream
Ask your smart speaker to play Family Times on tune-in

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Signature:
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For a nation to claim it has always been great, needs no improvement  and to cling to its past achievements is no virtue!
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Re: mouse hover

Steve Nutt
 

I believe that NVDA Enter performs an actual mouse click on the item.

 

And yes, it does work in Quickbooks, but unlike JAWS, it doesn’t take you to the expanded menu.

 

So it’s implemented, but not quite so well.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 03 May 2022 16:30
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] mouse hover

 

NVDA key enter isn't described in input help.  All NVDA says is NVDA enter.  What does it do that just enter doesn't?

Gene

On 5/3/2022 9:50 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Hi Jean,

 

In certain applications like Quickbooks, the Mouse Over thing expands a menu, so you have to use it.

 

NVDA isn’t good at coping with Mouse Overs, JAWS takes you directly to it, with Control Insert Enter, but you may be able to achieve the same with NVDA Key and Enter.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 02 May 2022 00:13
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] mouse hover

 

I often find that on web pages, using NVDA, the mouse can't be moved to your current position.  I don't know if other screen-readers allow that.  But even if you could, it would be very cumbersome to use such a way of working in NVDA. 

In JAWS, when you are on such a link, you hear mouse over announced. There is a JAWS command to do the equivalent of hovering the mouse over the link.  You are told something like, page changes at line 11.  You can then use a jump to line command to jump to that line and see what has changed.  You can, as I recall, use a return to your previous position command when you want to go back to where you were.

With NVDA, you would have to hover the mouse, and with no feed back about where the page changed, look through the page to see if you could find where the new material is. 

I almost never miss information I want by not using this feature.  I can't say I don't miss any information but I have never missed the ability.  And in JAWS, I often find that mouse over links add nothing useful, maybe changing the page visually in some way in some place.

Others who use the Internet in different ways may have different opinions but I suspect that this is one of the most unneeded possible features and I suspect that that is why JAWS is the only screen-reader to have it.

Gene

On 5/1/2022 5:40 PM, Monte Single wrote:

Hi List,

 

Lately I have come across online pages where I am supposed to let the mouse hover  on a link or message for “moreoptions”.

Can I do the equivilant   of a mouse hover  with nvda and not tare my hair out?

 

Thanks,

 

Mont

 

 


Re: Using the Thunderbird addon

Gene
 

I may be less alert this morning for some reason.  I made another mistake.  I meant to say there is a Mozilla add-on that provides first letter navigation.  The NVDA add-on does the other things I described.

Gene

On 5/3/2022 10:11 AM, Gene wrote:
There is an NVDA add-on that provides first letter navigation in the folders tree view.

If you use NVDA, there is an NVDA add-on that makes arranging the order of headers such as from line and subject line accessible.  You can also cause headers to be shown or not shown.

Do you want information on both add-ons?

Gene
On 5/3/2022 6:30 AM, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:
Is there an NVDA addon for thunderbird? I didn't see one when I pressed alt+g in manage addons.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rui Fontes" <rui.fontes@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, May 2, 2022 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using the Thunderbird addon


NVDA+H


Rui Fontes


Às 20:47 de 02/05/2022, Larry Higgins escreveu:
I just downloaded the Thunderbird addon for column arrangement and would like to know how to access it within Thunderbird client. Just the key stroke, I'll take it from there, or at least I hope that will be the case <smile>.


Thanks,


Larry

















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Re: I've really managed to mess up my Thunderbird

Gene
 

I meant to say you explained how to install an add-on using Thunderbird itself.

Gene

On 5/3/2022 10:21 AM, Gene wrote:
You explained how to install an add-on using NVDA itself, that is, using the built in browser to search for and install an add-on.  I may try to find your original message but as I recall, you said, however you worded it, that you can't install an add-on from a downloaded file.  I explained how you can download an add-on using an independent browser and install it.

Gene

On 5/3/2022 8:05 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 01:25 AM, Gene wrote:
Also, it is not true that you can't install an add-on from a file you have downloaded in a browser.
-
Where did I say that, Gene?  I didn't.
 
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Re: I've really managed to mess up my Thunderbird

Gene
 

I meant to say I don't see why the add-on would cause this behavior.

Gene

On 5/3/2022 10:14 AM, Gene wrote:
I don't see why the attachment would cause the problem.  I suggested removing it because at times, seemingly irrational things happen.

As far as seeing messages in a different window is concerned, I don't see why that would cause what you are describing, but in another message, after I find it, I'll explain how to change a setting to have all messages display in the same window.

Gene

On 5/3/2022 6:31 AM, Larry Higgins wrote:
Well Gene, I never managed to get the Thunderbird addon installed, but did get the columns addon installed for NVDA, and it really looked like I had something. At least I had the read and unread labels set at the beginning of the message columns presentation.


Now I can't be sure that might have had nothing to do with it, but at the time, it didn't appear so.


Now my messages are opening up in another window, and in that setting, I have quite a bit of screen clutter, but at least I can read my mail.


I am using the reply to all option on the messages web page looking presentation in that window to send this reply.


Thank God I'm not completely out of the saddle, but it just isn't anything like the way I prefer my environment to look like or function.


Hopefully I have given you and anyone else who could add some helpful suggestions enough details to work with.


And yes, I was considering uninstalling the whole program.


I was reading an article going back to 2013 suggesting that one in this circumstance could uninstall a couple of settings and configuration files, but considering the changes that Thunderbird goes through over time, I'm definitely hesitant to do any of that.


Surely there has to be a way.


BTW, I really don't wish to discuss this topic here on this list, especially due to the fact that this is probably not even close to an NVDA issue, so if any of you could just send suggestions to the address below, that would most likely be preferable to all concerned.


larryhiggins22@...

Thanks a bunch,

Larry

On 5/3/2022 12:01 AM, Gene wrote:
I doubt that uninstalling and reinstalling Thunderbird would solve the problem unless you do more than just a typical uninstallation. Thunderbird, as do most programs now, save settings when uninstalled in case the user wants to install and use the program again.  If this is a settings problem, uninstalling and reinstalling should not correct it.

If the wrong add-on has been placed in the program, it may be that uninstalling and reinstalling the program would solve the problem. That may uninstall the add-on.  But if you are using a POP3 account, would you lose the e-mail stored in the program?  I don't know but if you don't want to take a chance, don't uninstall it until you find out.

You could try uninstalling the add-on just to see if that helps.

Gene













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Re: I've really managed to mess up my Thunderbird

 

On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 11:21 AM, Gene wrote:
I may try to find your original message but as I recall, you said, however you worded it, that you can't install an add-on from a downloaded file. 
-
First, this message, which I've conveniently found for your review, see , was in the topic Using the Thunderbird addon, not this one.

I said absolutely nothing in that post regarding other methods, I gave what I consider the most common, and convenient, way of acquiring Thunderbird add-ons sans any comment about alternative methods (none of which had been previously discussed in any detail, I might add).  I will ask you, again, to please stop reacting to what you think I've said when I've said no such thing.

Also, and I know it can happen, please try to avoid "cross tying" two different topics.  We all do it by accident every once in a while.
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You can't crush ideas by suppressing them. You can only crush them by ignoring them.
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Re: mouse hover

Gene
 

NVDA key enter isn't described in input help.  All NVDA says is NVDA enter.  What does it do that just enter doesn't?

Gene

On 5/3/2022 9:50 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Hi Jean,

 

In certain applications like Quickbooks, the Mouse Over thing expands a menu, so you have to use it.

 

NVDA isn’t good at coping with Mouse Overs, JAWS takes you directly to it, with Control Insert Enter, but you may be able to achieve the same with NVDA Key and Enter.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 02 May 2022 00:13
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] mouse hover

 

I often find that on web pages, using NVDA, the mouse can't be moved to your current position.  I don't know if other screen-readers allow that.  But even if you could, it would be very cumbersome to use such a way of working in NVDA. 

In JAWS, when you are on such a link, you hear mouse over announced. There is a JAWS command to do the equivalent of hovering the mouse over the link.  You are told something like, page changes at line 11.  You can then use a jump to line command to jump to that line and see what has changed.  You can, as I recall, use a return to your previous position command when you want to go back to where you were.

With NVDA, you would have to hover the mouse, and with no feed back about where the page changed, look through the page to see if you could find where the new material is. 

I almost never miss information I want by not using this feature.  I can't say I don't miss any information but I have never missed the ability.  And in JAWS, I often find that mouse over links add nothing useful, maybe changing the page visually in some way in some place.

Others who use the Internet in different ways may have different opinions but I suspect that this is one of the most unneeded possible features and I suspect that that is why JAWS is the only screen-reader to have it.

Gene

On 5/1/2022 5:40 PM, Monte Single wrote:

Hi List,

 

Lately I have come across online pages where I am supposed to let the mouse hover  on a link or message for “moreoptions”.

Can I do the equivilant   of a mouse hover  with nvda and not tare my hair out?

 

Thanks,

 

Mont

 



Re: I've really managed to mess up my Thunderbird

Gene
 

You explained how to install an add-on using NVDA itself, that is, using the built in browser to search for and install an add-on.  I may try to find your original message but as I recall, you said, however you worded it, that you can't install an add-on from a downloaded file.  I explained how you can download an add-on using an independent browser and install it.

Gene

On 5/3/2022 8:05 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 01:25 AM, Gene wrote:
Also, it is not true that you can't install an add-on from a file you have downloaded in a browser.
-
Where did I say that, Gene?  I didn't.
 
--

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You can't crush ideas by suppressing them. You can only crush them by ignoring them.
     ~ Ursula LeGuin, The Dispossessed



Re: I've really managed to mess up my Thunderbird

Gene
 

I don't see why the attachment would cause the problem.  I suggested removing it because at times, seemingly irrational things happen.

As far as seeing messages in a different window is concerned, I don't see why that would cause what you are describing, but in another message, after I find it, I'll explain how to change a setting to have all messages display in the same window.

Gene

On 5/3/2022 6:31 AM, Larry Higgins wrote:
Well Gene, I never managed to get the Thunderbird addon installed, but did get the columns addon installed for NVDA, and it really looked like I had something. At least I had the read and unread labels set at the beginning of the message columns presentation.


Now I can't be sure that might have had nothing to do with it, but at the time, it didn't appear so.


Now my messages are opening up in another window, and in that setting, I have quite a bit of screen clutter, but at least I can read my mail.


I am using the reply to all option on the messages web page looking presentation in that window to send this reply.


Thank God I'm not completely out of the saddle, but it just isn't anything like the way I prefer my environment to look like or function.


Hopefully I have given you and anyone else who could add some helpful suggestions enough details to work with.


And yes, I was considering uninstalling the whole program.


I was reading an article going back to 2013 suggesting that one in this circumstance could uninstall a couple of settings and configuration files, but considering the changes that Thunderbird goes through over time, I'm definitely hesitant to do any of that.


Surely there has to be a way.


BTW, I really don't wish to discuss this topic here on this list, especially due to the fact that this is probably not even close to an NVDA issue, so if any of you could just send suggestions to the address below, that would most likely be preferable to all concerned.


larryhiggins22@...

Thanks a bunch,

Larry

On 5/3/2022 12:01 AM, Gene wrote:
I doubt that uninstalling and reinstalling Thunderbird would solve the problem unless you do more than just a typical uninstallation. Thunderbird, as do most programs now, save settings when uninstalled in case the user wants to install and use the program again.  If this is a settings problem, uninstalling and reinstalling should not correct it.

If the wrong add-on has been placed in the program, it may be that uninstalling and reinstalling the program would solve the problem. That may uninstall the add-on.  But if you are using a POP3 account, would you lose the e-mail stored in the program?  I don't know but if you don't want to take a chance, don't uninstall it until you find out.

You could try uninstalling the add-on just to see if that helps.

Gene













.


Re: Using the Thunderbird addon

Gene
 

There is an NVDA add-on that provides first letter navigation in the folders tree view.

If you use NVDA, there is an NVDA add-on that makes arranging the order of headers such as from line and subject line accessible.  You can also cause headers to be shown or not shown.

Do you want information on both add-ons?

Gene

On 5/3/2022 6:30 AM, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:
Is there an NVDA addon for thunderbird? I didn't see one when I pressed alt+g in manage addons.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rui Fontes" <rui.fontes@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, May 2, 2022 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using the Thunderbird addon


NVDA+H


Rui Fontes


Às 20:47 de 02/05/2022, Larry Higgins escreveu:
I just downloaded the Thunderbird addon for column arrangement and would like to know how to access it within Thunderbird client. Just the key stroke, I'll take it from there, or at least I hope that will be the case <smile>.


Thanks,


Larry

















.


Re: mouse hover

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Jean,

 

In certain applications like Quickbooks, the Mouse Over thing expands a menu, so you have to use it.

 

NVDA isn’t good at coping with Mouse Overs, JAWS takes you directly to it, with Control Insert Enter, but you may be able to achieve the same with NVDA Key and Enter.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 02 May 2022 00:13
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] mouse hover

 

I often find that on web pages, using NVDA, the mouse can't be moved to your current position.  I don't know if other screen-readers allow that.  But even if you could, it would be very cumbersome to use such a way of working in NVDA. 

In JAWS, when you are on such a link, you hear mouse over announced. There is a JAWS command to do the equivalent of hovering the mouse over the link.  You are told something like, page changes at line 11.  You can then use a jump to line command to jump to that line and see what has changed.  You can, as I recall, use a return to your previous position command when you want to go back to where you were.

With NVDA, you would have to hover the mouse, and with no feed back about where the page changed, look through the page to see if you could find where the new material is. 

I almost never miss information I want by not using this feature.  I can't say I don't miss any information but I have never missed the ability.  And in JAWS, I often find that mouse over links add nothing useful, maybe changing the page visually in some way in some place.

Others who use the Internet in different ways may have different opinions but I suspect that this is one of the most unneeded possible features and I suspect that that is why JAWS is the only screen-reader to have it.

Gene

On 5/1/2022 5:40 PM, Monte Single wrote:

Hi List,

 

Lately I have come across online pages where I am supposed to let the mouse hover  on a link or message for “moreoptions”.

Can I do the equivilant   of a mouse hover  with nvda and not tare my hair out?

 

Thanks,

 

Mont

 


Re: pronouncing nine hundred

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

I can't confirm this using Microsoft SAPI5 with ETI Eloquence from code factory. 900 reds as it should.


On 5/3/2022 7:54 AM, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:
No matter which Sappi 5 synth I use nine zero zero is pronounced nine point o o.
 
******
God has a plan for me. I may not see it right away but I'm willing to wait on the blessing he has in store for me!
 
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Family times Theatre
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For a nation to admit it has done grevous wrongs and will strive to correct them for the betterment of all is no vice;
For a nation to claim it has always been great, needs no improvement  and to cling to its past achievements is no virtue!

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