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Re: Kindle desktop reader and NVDA

David Goldfield
 

Christopher, what version of NVDA are you running? Can you be very specific about how NVDA is behaving with the Kindle app?

I’m using beta 4 of NVDA 2022.1 with version 1.36 of the Kindle for PC app and I am able to navigate the text area of a book.

 

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

NVDA Certified Expert

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christopher Bartlett
Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2022 3:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Kindle desktop reader and NVDA

 

I just opened up the Kindle desktop reader with NVDA.  There was an update of the reader, and now I don't seem to be able to use normal navigation in the book text field.  I'm wondering if others have experienced this and have found a way to restore this functionality?

And yes, I suspect this is Kindle not NVDA-related, but I'm hoping for a fix, since I've a class that is depending on being able to read this.

 

Christopher Bartlett


 

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Re: I've really managed to mess up my Thunderbird

 

Then, Luke, you, in addition to Gene, are reading things that aren't there.

I am not going to backpedal or apologize for reporting on what is, without question, the most common way of handling add-ons/extensions:  within the ecosystems where they apply.  Every major browser these days has a store (or stores, since Edge can use Chrome's store) for extensions, themes, etc., that are handled inside the browser itself.  Thunderbird is very similar.

If I mean to say "the only way" something can be done is {insert way here} you can be quite certain that I will be abundantly clear on that point.  Under Windows there is virtually no thing that can only be done one way.  But there are many that have "the most common way" often with several additional alternatives.

I am really sick to death of people actually inserting thoughts that are neither expressed nor implied by what I wrote.  I will take my lumps when I express or imply something that is incorrect.  I have apologized and walked back those mistakes, which I'm always ashamed of making, on a number of occasions.  But this is not one of those occasions.  Read the words written, there is nothing that says "only," "exclusively," or anything vaguely similar.  I take it as a given that every reader here already knows that there are generally multiple proverbial roads to Rome when working under Windows and with software that runs under it.  I out and out refuse to have to state that each and every time I discuss a way, not the only way, of doing something!
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Re: I've really managed to mess up my Thunderbird

Gene
 

But I believe some browsers only allow add-ons to be added from within the browser itself as a way of trying to keep people from installing malicious add-ons.  You may be limited to using certain sources in that way.  But Thunderbird offers this other way.

Gene

On 5/3/2022 5:00 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Gene wrote:

You said:
"Thunderbird add-ons (AKA Extensions) are installed from within Thunderbird itself, using the rough equivalent of NVDA Add-Ons Manager."  That doesn't say
there isn't another way, but it could very easily be taken to mean that there isn't.

I did, in fact, take it that way.

I really hate to add to this already interminable Thunderbird conversation, but I did read the original message the same way Gene did--as implying that the described method was "the way", not "a way" or "the best way".

Based upon years of experience with similar concepts, I figured that had to be an incomplete picture, but not knowing birds that thunder from birds that tweet, I wasn't about to question Brian's statement. Plus, it would have extended the pile of OT TB messages.

Luke







Re: I've really managed to mess up my Thunderbird

Luke Davis
 

Gene wrote:

You said:
"Thunderbird add-ons (AKA Extensions) are installed from within Thunderbird itself, using the rough equivalent of NVDA Add-Ons Manager."  That doesn't say
there isn't another way, but it could very easily be taken to mean that there isn't.
I did, in fact, take it that way.

I really hate to add to this already interminable Thunderbird conversation, but I did read the original message the same way Gene did--as implying that the described method was "the way", not "a way" or "the best way".

Based upon years of experience with similar concepts, I figured that had to be an incomplete picture, but not knowing birds that thunder from birds that tweet, I wasn't about to question Brian's statement. Plus, it would have extended the pile of OT TB messages.

Luke


Re: nvda and thunderbird send later

 

On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 05:36 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:
ahh, that is the add-on for which NVDA or t-bird itself? Thanks Gene! for all the help.
-
There is no add-on for NVDA that relates to delayed, scheduled sending in Thunderbird.

Thunderbirds "Sent Later" function is NOT a scheduled send.  For that, see the Thunderbird Add-On I gave the link to in message   in the archive.

The Thunderbird Quick Folder Key Navigation Add-On does precisely what it's name implies.

The Mozilla Apps Enhancements NVDA Add-On adds specific features/keystrokes to NVDA for use on top of Firefox and Thunderbird. 
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Re: Using the Thunderbird addon

 

On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 05:11 PM, Gene wrote:
I don't use message rules so when I want to move from one account to another, I type i to move from inbox to inbox.

Even if one does use message rules, unless a many folders are created that start with the letter I, you can still jump quickly between inboxes.  The method you're using is what most of my clients use, and how I train new clients to locate folders in Thunderbird.

In my case, since I'm using Gmail, the Important label/folder exists for each account, too, so I have two I stops per account, inbox and important.  Inbox is always the first folder under a given account by default.
 
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Re: nvda and thunderbird send later

Curtis Delzer
 

ahh, that is the add-on for which NVDA or t-bird itself? Thanks Gene! for all the help.

On 5/3/2022 1:35 PM, Gene wrote:
The thread goes on much longer.  At least I hope someone didn't send a message under a different subject line and split the thread.  There is a Thunderbird add-on that adds send later options such as time and date when using the command.

Gene

On 5/3/2022 3:30 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:

the option when using control-shift-enter for when to send it isn't available and that is where the thread is left. thanks! actually this is a message I purposely delayed but all I got was the option to send "later or now," when I rebooted t-bird.

On 5/3/2022 1:25 PM, Gene wrote:
I don't remember if the command is given in the thread.  It is control shift enter. 

Gene

On 4/29/2022 12:20 AM, Curtis Delzer wrote:
Hmm, where is the "send later" command?

On 4/28/2022 7:57 PM, Gene wrote:
A correction.

I was confused about the unknown fields.  I have an old version of Thunderbird portable on my machine and the current version.  The current version doesn't have unknown fields either when I am in the main Window or after I issue the send later command and am placed back in the main window.

It appears there is an inaccessible window that comes up when you issue the send later command and that you are placed in the main window.

Gene.

Gene

On 4/28/2022 9:51 PM, Gene wrote:
I looked and I didn't find a different window.  I thought I recalled seeing a number of unknown fields when I hadn't used the send later command and was tabbing around the main window but when I just looked, I didn't see them.  I'm not sure what the case is.  I did see three or four unknown fields after I used the send later option and they may be the fields you would use to set when the message is sent.

Gene

On 4/28/2022 9:37 PM, Gene via groups.io wrote:
A correction.  When I send a message after using the send later command, the message I have deferred isn't sent.  That message needs to be sent as I described earlier or as Ron described.

Gene

On 4/28/2022 9:34 PM, Gene via groups.io wrote:
If that's what the support page says, it may be incorrect.  While NVDA does say unknown when you are in the main program window and you tab around to many fields you wouldn't use for e-mail, I see no evidence that you are given the chance to select a time and date to send a message.  When I use the send later command, as far as I can tell, I am placed in the message list, where I was before I started a new message.  I can up or down arrow in the list of messages just as I would otherwise.  When I use JAWS, more fields are read but nothing that I can tell having a bearing on when to send messages.

If other people know differently, and if they are following the thread, we may find out.

Meantime, the messages evidently just sit there in the outbox until I send another message or until I open the program again. At that time, I get a do you want to send now or later dialog.

Gene

On 4/28/2022 8:50 PM, William wrote:
Hello,

not sure if this is a nvda bug or thunderbird bug.


According to the user support page of thunderbird, user can trigger send later and select a scheduled time and date that the email to be sent later, by pressing ctrl shift enter or selecting from the file menu.


But after pressing the above hotkey or choosing the function from the file menu, nvda cannot access the time and date selector of the thunderbird, which NVDA just says unknown.


Thanks,

William





























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Re: Using the Thunderbird addon

Gene
 

Its a tree view.  You can close the treeview in the usual way and down arrow to the next account.  But I don't do it that way.  I have my accounts opened in the tree view.  I use the Thunderbird add-on that allows for first letter navigation in the folders tree view. 

I don't use message rules so when I want to move from one account to another, I type i to move from inbox to inbox.  If I want to check what account I'm in, I read the title bar.

Gene

On 5/3/2022 7:38 AM, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:

Brian, I am switching for the first time to thunderbird. I have five accounts. How do I jump from account to account?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 2, 2022 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using the Thunderbird addon

And this is an excellent example of the difference between an actual Thunderbird add-on, Quick Folder Key Navigation, and an NVDA add-on that works with Thunderbird (and Firefox), Mozilla Apps Enhancements.

I've been recommending the Quick Folder Key Navigation Thunderbird Add-On for any screen reader user of Thunderbird for years now.
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Re: Using the Thunderbird addon

tim
 

ThunderBird will put your accounts in a vertical list. Just arrow down through to what you want.

I do it every time I read email.


On 5/3/2022 7:38 AM, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:

Brian, I am switching for the first time to thunderbird. I have five accounts. How do I jump from account to account?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 2, 2022 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using the Thunderbird addon

And this is an excellent example of the difference between an actual Thunderbird add-on, Quick Folder Key Navigation, and an NVDA add-on that works with Thunderbird (and Firefox), Mozilla Apps Enhancements.

I've been recommending the Quick Folder Key Navigation Thunderbird Add-On for any screen reader user of Thunderbird for years now.
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You can't crush ideas by suppressing them. You can only crush them by ignoring them.
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Re: nvda and thunderbird send later

Gene
 

The thread goes on much longer.  At least I hope someone didn't send a message under a different subject line and split the thread.  There is a Thunderbird add-on that adds send later options such as time and date when using the command.

Gene

On 5/3/2022 3:30 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:

the option when using control-shift-enter for when to send it isn't available and that is where the thread is left. thanks! actually this is a message I purposely delayed but all I got was the option to send "later or now," when I rebooted t-bird.

On 5/3/2022 1:25 PM, Gene wrote:
I don't remember if the command is given in the thread.  It is control shift enter. 

Gene

On 4/29/2022 12:20 AM, Curtis Delzer wrote:
Hmm, where is the "send later" command?

On 4/28/2022 7:57 PM, Gene wrote:
A correction.

I was confused about the unknown fields.  I have an old version of Thunderbird portable on my machine and the current version.  The current version doesn't have unknown fields either when I am in the main Window or after I issue the send later command and am placed back in the main window.

It appears there is an inaccessible window that comes up when you issue the send later command and that you are placed in the main window.

Gene.

Gene

On 4/28/2022 9:51 PM, Gene wrote:
I looked and I didn't find a different window.  I thought I recalled seeing a number of unknown fields when I hadn't used the send later command and was tabbing around the main window but when I just looked, I didn't see them.  I'm not sure what the case is.  I did see three or four unknown fields after I used the send later option and they may be the fields you would use to set when the message is sent.

Gene

On 4/28/2022 9:37 PM, Gene via groups.io wrote:
A correction.  When I send a message after using the send later command, the message I have deferred isn't sent.  That message needs to be sent as I described earlier or as Ron described.

Gene

On 4/28/2022 9:34 PM, Gene via groups.io wrote:
If that's what the support page says, it may be incorrect.  While NVDA does say unknown when you are in the main program window and you tab around to many fields you wouldn't use for e-mail, I see no evidence that you are given the chance to select a time and date to send a message.  When I use the send later command, as far as I can tell, I am placed in the message list, where I was before I started a new message.  I can up or down arrow in the list of messages just as I would otherwise.  When I use JAWS, more fields are read but nothing that I can tell having a bearing on when to send messages.

If other people know differently, and if they are following the thread, we may find out.

Meantime, the messages evidently just sit there in the outbox until I send another message or until I open the program again. At that time, I get a do you want to send now or later dialog.

Gene

On 4/28/2022 8:50 PM, William wrote:
Hello,

not sure if this is a nvda bug or thunderbird bug.


According to the user support page of thunderbird, user can trigger send later and select a scheduled time and date that the email to be sent later, by pressing ctrl shift enter or selecting from the file menu.


But after pressing the above hotkey or choosing the function from the file menu, nvda cannot access the time and date selector of the thunderbird, which NVDA just says unknown.


Thanks,

William





























-- 
Curtis Delzer
H.S.
K6VFO
curtis@...


Re: nvda and thunderbird send later

Curtis Delzer
 

the option when using control-shift-enter for when to send it isn't available and that is where the thread is left. thanks! actually this is a message I purposely delayed but all I got was the option to send "later or now," when I rebooted t-bird.

On 5/3/2022 1:25 PM, Gene wrote:
I don't remember if the command is given in the thread.  It is control shift enter. 

Gene

On 4/29/2022 12:20 AM, Curtis Delzer wrote:
Hmm, where is the "send later" command?

On 4/28/2022 7:57 PM, Gene wrote:
A correction.

I was confused about the unknown fields.  I have an old version of Thunderbird portable on my machine and the current version.  The current version doesn't have unknown fields either when I am in the main Window or after I issue the send later command and am placed back in the main window.

It appears there is an inaccessible window that comes up when you issue the send later command and that you are placed in the main window.

Gene.

Gene

On 4/28/2022 9:51 PM, Gene wrote:
I looked and I didn't find a different window.  I thought I recalled seeing a number of unknown fields when I hadn't used the send later command and was tabbing around the main window but when I just looked, I didn't see them.  I'm not sure what the case is.  I did see three or four unknown fields after I used the send later option and they may be the fields you would use to set when the message is sent.

Gene

On 4/28/2022 9:37 PM, Gene via groups.io wrote:
A correction.  When I send a message after using the send later command, the message I have deferred isn't sent.  That message needs to be sent as I described earlier or as Ron described.

Gene

On 4/28/2022 9:34 PM, Gene via groups.io wrote:
If that's what the support page says, it may be incorrect.  While NVDA does say unknown when you are in the main program window and you tab around to many fields you wouldn't use for e-mail, I see no evidence that you are given the chance to select a time and date to send a message.  When I use the send later command, as far as I can tell, I am placed in the message list, where I was before I started a new message.  I can up or down arrow in the list of messages just as I would otherwise.  When I use JAWS, more fields are read but nothing that I can tell having a bearing on when to send messages.

If other people know differently, and if they are following the thread, we may find out.

Meantime, the messages evidently just sit there in the outbox until I send another message or until I open the program again. At that time, I get a do you want to send now or later dialog.

Gene

On 4/28/2022 8:50 PM, William wrote:
Hello,

not sure if this is a nvda bug or thunderbird bug.


According to the user support page of thunderbird, user can trigger send later and select a scheduled time and date that the email to be sent later, by pressing ctrl shift enter or selecting from the file menu.


But after pressing the above hotkey or choosing the function from the file menu, nvda cannot access the time and date selector of the thunderbird, which NVDA just says unknown.


Thanks,

William





























-- 
Curtis Delzer
H.S.
K6VFO
curtis@...


Re: nvda and thunderbird send later

Gene
 

I don't remember if the command is given in the thread.  It is control shift enter. 

Gene

On 4/29/2022 12:20 AM, Curtis Delzer wrote:
Hmm, where is the "send later" command?

On 4/28/2022 7:57 PM, Gene wrote:
A correction.

I was confused about the unknown fields.  I have an old version of Thunderbird portable on my machine and the current version.  The current version doesn't have unknown fields either when I am in the main Window or after I issue the send later command and am placed back in the main window.

It appears there is an inaccessible window that comes up when you issue the send later command and that you are placed in the main window.

Gene.

Gene

On 4/28/2022 9:51 PM, Gene wrote:
I looked and I didn't find a different window.  I thought I recalled seeing a number of unknown fields when I hadn't used the send later command and was tabbing around the main window but when I just looked, I didn't see them.  I'm not sure what the case is.  I did see three or four unknown fields after I used the send later option and they may be the fields you would use to set when the message is sent.

Gene

On 4/28/2022 9:37 PM, Gene via groups.io wrote:
A correction.  When I send a message after using the send later command, the message I have deferred isn't sent.  That message needs to be sent as I described earlier or as Ron described.

Gene

On 4/28/2022 9:34 PM, Gene via groups.io wrote:
If that's what the support page says, it may be incorrect.  While NVDA does say unknown when you are in the main program window and you tab around to many fields you wouldn't use for e-mail, I see no evidence that you are given the chance to select a time and date to send a message.  When I use the send later command, as far as I can tell, I am placed in the message list, where I was before I started a new message.  I can up or down arrow in the list of messages just as I would otherwise.  When I use JAWS, more fields are read but nothing that I can tell having a bearing on when to send messages.

If other people know differently, and if they are following the thread, we may find out.

Meantime, the messages evidently just sit there in the outbox until I send another message or until I open the program again. At that time, I get a do you want to send now or later dialog.

Gene

On 4/28/2022 8:50 PM, William wrote:
Hello,

not sure if this is a nvda bug or thunderbird bug.


According to the user support page of thunderbird, user can trigger send later and select a scheduled time and date that the email to be sent later, by pressing ctrl shift enter or selecting from the file menu.


But after pressing the above hotkey or choosing the function from the file menu, nvda cannot access the time and date selector of the thunderbird, which NVDA just says unknown.


Thanks,

William






























Re: nvda and thunderbird send later

Curtis Delzer
 

Hmm, where is the "send later" command?

On 4/28/2022 7:57 PM, Gene wrote:
A correction.

I was confused about the unknown fields.  I have an old version of Thunderbird portable on my machine and the current version.  The current version doesn't have unknown fields either when I am in the main Window or after I issue the send later command and am placed back in the main window.

It appears there is an inaccessible window that comes up when you issue the send later command and that you are placed in the main window.

Gene.

Gene

On 4/28/2022 9:51 PM, Gene wrote:
I looked and I didn't find a different window.  I thought I recalled seeing a number of unknown fields when I hadn't used the send later command and was tabbing around the main window but when I just looked, I didn't see them.  I'm not sure what the case is.  I did see three or four unknown fields after I used the send later option and they may be the fields you would use to set when the message is sent.

Gene

On 4/28/2022 9:37 PM, Gene via groups.io wrote:
A correction.  When I send a message after using the send later command, the message I have deferred isn't sent.  That message needs to be sent as I described earlier or as Ron described.

Gene

On 4/28/2022 9:34 PM, Gene via groups.io wrote:
If that's what the support page says, it may be incorrect.  While NVDA does say unknown when you are in the main program window and you tab around to many fields you wouldn't use for e-mail, I see no evidence that you are given the chance to select a time and date to send a message.  When I use the send later command, as far as I can tell, I am placed in the message list, where I was before I started a new message.  I can up or down arrow in the list of messages just as I would otherwise.  When I use JAWS, more fields are read but nothing that I can tell having a bearing on when to send messages.

If other people know differently, and if they are following the thread, we may find out.

Meantime, the messages evidently just sit there in the outbox until I send another message or until I open the program again. At that time, I get a do you want to send now or later dialog.

Gene

On 4/28/2022 8:50 PM, William wrote:
Hello,

not sure if this is a nvda bug or thunderbird bug.


According to the user support page of thunderbird, user can trigger send later and select a scheduled time and date that the email to be sent later, by pressing ctrl shift enter or selecting from the file menu.


But after pressing the above hotkey or choosing the function from the file menu, nvda cannot access the time and date selector of the thunderbird, which NVDA just says unknown.


Thanks,

William



















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Curtis Delzer
H.S.
K6VFO
curtis@...


Kindle desktop reader and NVDA

Christopher Bartlett
 

I just opened up the Kindle desktop reader with NVDA.  There was an update of the reader, and now I don't seem to be able to use normal navigation in the book text field.  I'm wondering if others have experienced this and have found a way to restore this functionality?
And yes, I suspect this is Kindle not NVDA-related, but I'm hoping for a fix, since I've a class that is depending on being able to read this.

Christopher Bartlett


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Re: I've really managed to mess up my Thunderbird

Gene
 

On looking further, I found a solution that appears to be a better one and the correct one for the problem as presented.  It appears the possible solution I gave before is only for opening a single thread as conversation or not as a conversation.  Here is how to change the setting in the program itself to view all conversations as conversations or everything as individual messages.

I just checked how to see messages by conversation in Thunderbird with a Google search.

Open the view menu and open the sort by submenu.
Down arrow through a lot of items and you will see threaded and unthreaded.  If threaded is checked, move to unthreaded and press enter.  You have now set the program to use unthreaded and you will now see all messages as individual messages as you did before.  Perhaps that is what you changed somehow and not the other setting I thought you changed.

Gene

On 5/3/2022 11:38 AM, Gene via groups.io wrote:
I'm sending this message because you opened this discussion in two different groups and the probable solution hasn't been posted here.

I asked Larry to paste or describe, I'm not sure how I put it, the clutter he sees before he gets to the message body in an opened message.  He sent the following content:
Delete this conversation
Archive this conversation
Junk this message
Expand/collapse all messages
Toggle read/unread all messages
Show this conversation in a new tab

It looked to me as though this might be the result of showing messages by conversation.  I gave the following possible solution, that I think is likely to solve the problem.

I first said that it is important to give details about problems when asking about them and that now you (Larry) will probably get better help.  I then gave this procedure to change the setting to not view messages by conversation:
It appears to me that the way to do so is the following:
In the main program window, open the menus.
Right arrow to message.
Down arrow to open and press enter.  That turned off view messages by conversation when I did that.

Gene



Re: pronouncing nine hundred

 

Curtis,

Between yourself, myself, Ron Canazzi, we've all falsified both claims that it's NVDA itself (in out of the box state) or it's the synths.  We've all tested 900 in digits and had them announced as nine hundred across multiple synths.

A synth will only pronounce what it's handed.  There is never an instance where nine zero zero with no actual intervening point/period should have such announced barring something having been done that hands 9.00 to the synth.

This problem is idiosyncratic to the original poster's machine and ecosystem.  As the fault lies there, so will the solution.  The solution has a probability very close to zero of involving any given synth or NVDA in its out of the box state.  It would be very easy to run the NVDA installer and create a portable copy on a USB thumb drive or even in a temporary folder on the machine of one's own creation.  Running that portable version of NVDA as a test, with the same documents and using the same synth, but adding nothing else in the line of add-ons, dictionaries, etc., is an acid test for the NVDA side.  Changing synths, both in the installed NVDA and portable NVDA, and comparing voice output is the acid test for the synth side.
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Re: pronouncing nine hundred

Curtis Delzer
 

now, that's interesting. my synth which I use with NVDA which is the IBM version of Eloquence, (free btw) says nine hundred, which is in  the subject of your message. :) HMM.

On 5/3/2022 4:54 AM, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:
No matter which Sappi 5 synth I use nine zero zero is pronounced nine point o o.
 
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Re: Using the Thunderbird addon

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Gene,

This is a Thunderbird add on--not an NVDA add on.
It is called quick key folder navigation.


On 5/3/2022 11:11 AM, Gene wrote:
There is an NVDA add-on that provides first letter navigation in the folders tree view.

If you use NVDA, there is an NVDA add-on that makes arranging the order of headers such as from line and subject line accessible.  You can also cause headers to be shown or not shown.

Do you want information on both add-ons?

Gene
On 5/3/2022 6:30 AM, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:
Is there an NVDA addon for thunderbird? I didn't see one when I pressed alt+g in manage addons.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rui Fontes" <rui.fontes@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, May 2, 2022 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using the Thunderbird addon


NVDA+H


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Às 20:47 de 02/05/2022, Larry Higgins escreveu:
I just downloaded the Thunderbird addon for column arrangement and would like to know how to access it within Thunderbird client. Just the key stroke, I'll take it from there, or at least I hope that will be the case <smile>.


Thanks,


Larry

















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Re: pronouncing nine hundred

 

On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 11:55 AM, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:
I just tested it in notepad with the same result.
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A synthesizer, any synthesizer, can only read what it's handed.  Yes, there are occasional mispronunciations, but reading the three digits 9 0 0 other than nine-hundred is not something that "just happens."  Something is causing the wrong thing to be passed to the synthesizer.

Check your dictionary/dictionaries, for starters.  That is the most likely root of a problem like this.
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Re: I've really managed to mess up my Thunderbird

Gene
 

I'm sending this message because you opened this discussion in two different groups and the probable solution hasn't been posted here.

I asked Larry to paste or describe, I'm not sure how I put it, the clutter he sees before he gets to the message body in an opened message.  He sent the following content:
Delete this conversation
Archive this conversation
Junk this message
Expand/collapse all messages
Toggle read/unread all messages
Show this conversation in a new tab

It looked to me as though this might be the result of showing messages by conversation.  I gave the following possible solution, that I think is likely to solve the problem.

I first said that it is important to give details about problems when asking about them and that now you (Larry) will probably get better help.  I then gave this procedure to change the setting to not view messages by conversation:
It appears to me that the way to do so is the following:
In the main program window, open the menus.
Right arrow to message.
Down arrow to open and press enter.  That turned off view messages by conversation when I did that.

Gene

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