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Any friendlier volume mixer?

Cleverson Casarin Uliana
 

Dear all, I'd like an alternative app to control the Windows volume mixer. In the standard volume mixer, you have to go through lots of tabs and shift-tabs to locate the app you want to increase or decrease the volume. Wouldn't there be an app with a friendlier interface?

I've heard of EarTrumpet, but it appears to be inaccessible, unless I missed something.

thanks,
Cleverson


Re: Reading and editing footers in Word with NVDA

Sarah k Alawami
 

I'v enot seen that seeint as of yet myself, I'll have to see if I have that on my windows computer which I'm not on at the moment. I'm at work. Yee I get to learn something new when I get out today.


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On 4 May 2022, at 14:25, Luke Davis wrote:

You left out some key information.
What version of NVDA do you have?

You said that the difference occurs when you turn UIA on or off. However, in the most recent versions of NVDA, there is an intermediate setting, which allows NVDA to use UIA only when necessary, and fallback to IAccessible otherwise.
That sounds like the setting you need here.

Luke


Re: trouble navigating and reading web pages.

Arlene
 

Hi, I can’t confirm the problem. I went to my local town’s site about a spring Carnival and NVDA worked no problem.  I went there using Microsoft Edge.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Gene
Sent: May 4, 2022 8:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trouble navigating and reading web pages.

 

It sounds as though browse mode may not be working.  I don't know why that might be but can you navigate using either JAWS or Narrator?  We need to try to find out whether the problem is in Windows or NVDA.

Also, and try this first, when you open a web page, what happens when you issue the command NVDA key space after the page loads?  Can you navigate after doing that?  The problem may be as simple as you not having the setting that automatically causes browse mode to be used when a page loads.

Gene

On 5/4/2022 10:20 AM, Jo Collingwood via groups.io wrote:

Hi, I am having trouble navigating and reading web pages. I have the latest download version of NVDA  and am using office 365. I have tried using google chrome and microsoft edge to no avail!  when pressing enter on a chosen item from the search box, I have to then use tab to skip to main menu. H doesn't work to move through heading I have to use tab and NVDA reads the headings but will not read any content  on any page when I press numberpad plus or Ins down arrow. The arrow keys move the screen up or down but doesn't announce anything. I have watched tutorials on  you tube but they don't offer any ideas. Please can you offer me any suggestions as I am becoming very frustrated. Thanks Jo

 

 


Re: Delay between pressing keys and hearing response from NVDA in Microsoft edge only

Arlene
 

Hi, It could be the problem. I myself can’t confirm your problem. I tested NVDA using Microsoft edge. It works beautifully.  I went to my Canadian Town called Castlegar Spring fair events using NVDA on Microsoft Edge. I can’t confirm your problem.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Khalid Anwar
Sent: May 4, 2022 11:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Delay between pressing keys and hearing response from NVDA in Microsoft edge only

 

Good evening, I hope everyone is well.

I’m having issue at the moment with NVDA web whenever I press any kind of key in Microsoft edge, it can take anywhere between two and 10 seconds for NVDA to register the key press, and having loaded Microsoft narrator, this is a bit faster but still has a similar issue.

Do you only thing that’s changed recently is that my company has loaded up some security software called McAfee Endpoint DPL, not sure if anyone has heard of it itendpoint DPL, I’m not sure if anyone has heard of it but I wondered if that might be causing any issues with NVDA?

I have reset NVDA and restarted the computer a few times as well but no luck as of yet.

 


Re: Reading and editing footers in Word with NVDA

Luke Davis
 

You left out some key information.
What version of NVDA do you have?

You said that the difference occurs when you turn UIA on or off. However, in the most recent versions of NVDA, there is an intermediate setting, which allows NVDA to use UIA only when necessary, and fallback to IAccessible otherwise.
That sounds like the setting you need here.

Luke


Re: nvda freezes

Arlene
 

For me, it happened to me with the last build of NVDA. I was on Chrome on the gmail site.  This build does it seldom.  It has done it when I was on a Canadian shopping store site.  I’m using windows ten and the latest version of NVDA.  

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Marisane Moruthanyana
Sent: May 4, 2022 6:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda freezes

 

What version of windows  win10, nvda2021.3.5,

What is your browser?

Chrome

What program are you using when  the freeze occurs?

office 2016

 

On 5/4/22, Monte Single <mrsingle@...> wrote:

> You have to give more info.

> What version of windows, nvda, are you using?

> What is your browser?

> What program are you using when  the freeze occurs?

> Be as specific as you can.

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marisane

> Moruthanyana

> Sent: May 4, 2022 5:21 AM

> To: nvda <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

> Subject: [nvda] nvda freezes

> Good day tech gurus

> I hope you are fine.

> I am Marisane from SA and am trying to cope.

> I have noticed something weird with nvda very recently.

> It freezes every now and then.

> It can take up to 10-15 seconds frozen in every few minutes.

> This is irritating, more so, when one is typing or editing text.

> What is going on?

> Any idea?

> Your assistance is appreciated in advance.

> Marisane

>

 

 

 

 

 


Reading and editing footers in Word with NVDA

Sandra Pilz
 

Hello,


I just tried to edit the footer of a Microsoft Word document using NVDA. I wasn't able to read it as long as UIA for Word was active. When I changed it back to the old setting, i.e. not to use UIA, I was able to edit the fotter as I remembered being able to.


Are headers and footers in Word currently not supported when UIA for Word is active?


I have a Office 365 subscription and am using the latest version of Word.


Regards


Sandra


Delay between pressing keys and hearing response from NVDA in Microsoft edge only

Khalid Anwar
 

Good evening, I hope everyone is well.
I’m having issue at the moment with NVDA web whenever I press any kind of key in Microsoft edge, it can take anywhere between two and 10 seconds for NVDA to register the key press, and having loaded Microsoft narrator, this is a bit faster but still has a similar issue.
Do you only thing that’s changed recently is that my company has loaded up some security software called McAfee Endpoint DPL, not sure if anyone has heard of it itendpoint DPL, I’m not sure if anyone has heard of it but I wondered if that might be causing any issues with NVDA?
I have reset NVDA and restarted the computer a few times as well but no luck as of yet.


Re: trouble navigating and reading web pages.

Gene
 

It sounds as though browse mode may not be working.  I don't know why that might be but can you navigate using either JAWS or Narrator?  We need to try to find out whether the problem is in Windows or NVDA.

Also, and try this first, when you open a web page, what happens when you issue the command NVDA key space after the page loads?  Can you navigate after doing that?  The problem may be as simple as you not having the setting that automatically causes browse mode to be used when a page loads.

Gene

On 5/4/2022 10:20 AM, Jo Collingwood via groups.io wrote:
Hi, I am having trouble navigating and reading web pages. I have the latest download version of NVDA  and am using office 365. I have tried using google chrome and microsoft edge to no avail!  when pressing enter on a chosen item from the search box, I have to then use tab to skip to main menu. H doesn't work to move through heading I have to use tab and NVDA reads the headings but will not read any content  on any page when I press numberpad plus or Ins down arrow. The arrow keys move the screen up or down but doesn't announce anything. I have watched tutorials on  you tube but they don't offer any ideas. Please can you offer me any suggestions as I am becoming very frustrated. Thanks Jo


Re: trouble navigating and reading web pages.

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Have you tried firefox?

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jo Collingwood via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, May 4, 2022 8:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] trouble navigating and reading web pages.

 

Hi, I am having trouble navigating and reading web pages. I have the latest download version of NVDA  and am using office 365. I have tried using google chrome and microsoft edge to no avail!  when pressing enter on a chosen item from the search box, I have to then use tab to skip to main menu. H doesn't work to move through heading I have to use tab and NVDA reads the headings but will not read any content  on any page when I press numberpad plus or Ins down arrow. The arrow keys move the screen up or down but doesn't announce anything. I have watched tutorials on  you tube but they don't offer any ideas. Please can you offer me any suggestions as I am becoming very frustrated. Thanks Jo


trouble navigating and reading web pages.

Jo Collingwood
 

Hi, I am having trouble navigating and reading web pages. I have the latest download version of NVDA  and am using office 365. I have tried using google chrome and microsoft edge to no avail!  when pressing enter on a chosen item from the search box, I have to then use tab to skip to main menu. H doesn't work to move through heading I have to use tab and NVDA reads the headings but will not read any content  on any page when I press numberpad plus or Ins down arrow. The arrow keys move the screen up or down but doesn't announce anything. I have watched tutorials on  you tube but they don't offer any ideas. Please can you offer me any suggestions as I am becoming very frustrated. Thanks Jo


Re: Windows App Essentials 22.05, summer plan for the add-on #addonrelease

 

Hi,

What is the Windows version that you have? To check, open Start menu, type "winver" into the edit field, then press Enter. See what "About Windows" dialog says about version and build number. Windows App Essentials require Windows 10 Version 21H1 (build 19043) or later, and if you are using any older version, YOU MUST UPGRADE as that's the easy solution.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Windows App Essentials 22.05, summer plan for the add-on #addonrelease

David Ingram
 

Hi, i’d like to know if there is a reason why i get the message when i try to update the app essentials that i get a message that says that i can’t update because of the windows 10 version that i have.  I’m not sure how to fix this problem.  I would appreciate anything that you may be able to suggest.  Thank you.

On May 4, 2022, at 1:06 AM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi all,
Windows App Essentials 22.05 is now available. While this is a minor release, it packs several bug fixes. As always, the new release can be found by checking for updates via Add-on Updater or on community add-ons website.
 
Changes:
                * NVDA will once again announce search result details in Start menu.
* In Windows 11, Taskbar items and other user interface controls can be detected properly when using mouse and/or touch interaction.
* Settings: In Windows 10, NVDA will interrupt speech and report updates to Windows Update status as download and install progresses. This may result in speech interruption when navigating Settings app while updates are being downloaded and installed.
 
In case of the first item, it is now part of NVDA 2022.2 (alpha build at the moment).
 
Also, the following is a tentative plan for northern summer:
  • Next stable add-on release: if things go according to plan, the next version of the add-on (after 22.05) will be the first release to include support for features included in upcoming Windows 11 Version 22H2 (nickel/sun valley 2).
  • Major change to installation message on Windows 10: as Microsoft is focusing more on Windows 11, it might be possible that Windows 10 will remain in maintenance mode, with a possibility that the next Windows 10 feature update (22H2) will be a minor update on top of 21H2. If this is indeed confirmed in several months, then the add-on will switch to displaying a different installation message on Windows 10 releases that will list supported public releases. For example, instead of the add-on saying “this add-on requires Windows 10 (version) or later”, it will say “supported releases: (a list of supported public releases)” e.g. “supported releases: 21H1, 21H2, 22H2”. Windows 11 users will receive the current message (telling you the minimum supported version) but that won’t show up until 2023. In fact, people running development releases may have encountered the new message recently.
  • Speaking of supported Windows releases: support for Windows 10 Version 21H1 (May 2021 Update/build 19043) from the add-on is slowly coming to a close. People subscribed to dev channel for add-on updates (specifically, people downloading add-on development snapshots) will be notified of this soon (as early as mid-May). For stable channel subscribers, the last add-on release to support 21H1 is scheduled to be released in late summer (tentatively August). Microsoft itself will end support for 21H1 across all Windows 10 editions in December 2022.
  • How about upcoming feature updates: Windows 11 Version 22H2 is being finalized (things can change at the last minute), and I assume Windows 10 Version 22H2 plan is being made. Although the next stable version of Windows App Essentials add-on will give you a sneak peak of the upcoming Windows 11 feature update, official support for 22H2 begins later this year. I’m also monitoring Windows 10 feature update closely as the nature of 22H2 will have an impact on the development plan for the add-on.
  • NVDA 2022.1 requirement: as I noted above, one bug fix from 22.05 is now part of NVDA 2022.2. But why is this related to upcoming NVDA 2022.1? This is because the add-on supports at most three NVDA releases: current, immediate past, and development builds. As of time of this writing, 2022.1 beta 4 is considered current version (as far as add-on is concerned), 2021.3.5 is the immediate past release, and 2022.2 alpha is the version under development. At some point later this year, the add-on will ask you to use NVDA 2022.1, specifically a few days after 2022.2 stable version is released to acknowledge the fact that folks need more time to install updated add-ons compatible with 2022.1 changes. In some ways, recent and upcoming NVDA releases incorporate several things from the add-on; not only keeping up with recent releases helps you, but also helps me (the add-on developer) in reducing maintenance burden.
 
Two more things (long-term plan):
  1. I advise everyone using Windows 10 or 11 to install Windows App Essentials add-on as it is designed to make these Windows releases a bit easier to use and tasks more efficient. But consider the following…
  2. All things must come to an end. I foresee a time when I will no longer maintain Windows App Essentials myself, or if things align, discontinue the add-on altogether. Whether that can happen this year, next year, 2025 when Microsoft ends support for Windows 10, or at a future date, be prepared to put the add-on behind us. I may even end up asking NV Access to incorporate parts of the add-on into NVDA, but that’s not high on the list – the number one request on my list is bring add-on updating functionality to NVDA (won’t go into details in this thread).
 
The reason I say the above is because I’m about to accelerate my exit plan from NVDA development (I am currently testing a variation of the second bug fix (navigating Windows 11 interface with mouse and/or touch) in preparation for proposing a possible solution to NV Access in the form of a pull request, which may end up being the last planned code contribution; I might perhaps come back to teach NVDA to recognize 22H2 feature updates but that won’t be until fall). Recently (more so since middle of April), I began experiencing situations where I feel I’m not myself or somehow overwhelmed with priorities (or perhaps too early to say, but might be experiencing symptoms of burnout), more so as I go through graduate education while keeping up with NVDA and add-on developments. After assessing the situation, I came to the conclusion that I need a “clean break” from NVDA development i.e. no more screen reader code contributions so I can spend my energy on more pressing matters. Eventually I plan to discontinue the remaining add-ons I’m maintaining (Add-on Updater and Windows App Essentials), which I consider is my one last remaining link to NVDA code (and perhaps publish a best practices guide for pull request authors but that’s aimed at a different audience).
 
I understand that my recent statements, including the statement I made above, can come across a shocking, sometimes incomplete or incoherent, or perhaps something unexpected from someone who is energetic about the screen reader and this user (and developer) community. I also understand that some of you look up to me as a role model or a community leader, seeking guidance on all things NVDA, or perhaps talk about following my (and others’) lead and contribute code or write add-ons. But I believe in taking off the “occupational mask” to tell you exactly what is happening so you can make an informed decision and take necessary steps. By telling you what’s happening, my hope is that you can consider NVDA developers like myself as humans, not heroes, and despite the “fantasies of making a difference with programming”, code contribution (or in some cases, add-on development) is not for everyone. No, please do not take this as an elitist statement – I want you to see a clearer picture about NVDA development and the benefits and costs of this activity (if you still think that NVDA code contribution or add-on development is your calling after reading my statements above, then let’s have a private chat).
 
Hope all this helps. In the meantime, enjoy the new Windows App Essentials add-on release.
Cheers,
Joseph


Re: Naming Conventions in the NVDA Voice Dialogue

 

Hi all,

Since someone did request something from me...

As folks found out, different speech synthesizers organize their voices and variants differently. This made sense back when eSpeak NG was the primary speech synthesizer; this is no longer the case in Windows 10 and later where Windows OneCore is used as default speech synthesizer. Also, remember that some synthesizers combine voice and variatns under the "voice" list.

While I understand the need to change user interface messages to reflect more diverse synthesizer options, we also need to acknowledge how we ended up with what we have. We also need to keep in mind that comparing speech synthesizers is akin to apples to oranges comparison, more so when we think about voice data, subtle differences in pronunciation rules, internal speech engine and model differences, and how speech output parameters (that's what they are actually called in the development circles) are organized and presented both internally and externally. Because this forum had many discussions surrounding specific synthesizers (including licensing and authorship), suffice to say that changing labels for sake of convenience is something that should not be suggested lightly (I hope to use messages like this as teaching moments so we can "take off the mystery mask" surrounding screen reader internals; yes, I'm a fan of a certain South Korean TV show, but won't elaborate further).

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: nvda freezes

Marisane Moruthanyana
 

What version of windows win10, nvda2021.3.5,
What is your browser?
Chrome
What program are you using when the freeze occurs?
office 2016

On 5/4/22, Monte Single <mrsingle@...> wrote:
You have to give more info.
What version of windows, nvda, are you using?
What is your browser?
What program are you using when the freeze occurs?

Be as specific as you can.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marisane
Moruthanyana
Sent: May 4, 2022 5:21 AM
To: nvda <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] nvda freezes

Good day tech gurus

I hope you are fine.

I am Marisane from SA and am trying to cope.

I have noticed something weird with nvda very recently.

It freezes every now and then.

It can take up to 10-15 seconds frozen in every few minutes.

This is irritating, more so, when one is typing or editing text.

What is going on?

Any idea?

Your assistance is appreciated in advance.

Marisane











Re: Kindle desktop reader and NVDA

David Goldfield
 

It’s odd as I can’t find this particular edition in the Kindle store. However, if you’re a Bookshare member you can legally download the book from the Bookshare site.

As an aside I understand that you may have purchased the book and, after failing to read it following the Kindle update, you may have assumed that the update broke all navigation access from all of your books and I do want to be sensitive to that possibility.

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

NVDA Certified Expert

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christopher Bartlett
Sent: Wednesday, May 4, 2022 8:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Kindle desktop reader and NVDA

 

I can't answer the first question, as I purchased the book yesterday and Kindle updated automatically when I opened it to read the book.

As for the second part of the message, yes, it probably would have been helpful, but it didn't occur to me, because I was unaware of the issue surrounding advanced typesetting, so I didn't know to look for it.

 

Christopher Bartlett

 

 

On Wed, May 4, 2022 at 7:24 AM David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...> wrote:

Were you able to navigate through this book before the V1.36 update?

It would have been helpful if you had mentioned that you can read most of the other books in your library in your previous message because this provides a clue as to what may be happening.

Check the book listing on the Kindle Web site and see if enhanced typesetting is listed as being disabled.

If it is then this may be the reason for the issue.

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

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NVDA Certified Expert

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christopher Bartlett
Sent: Wednesday, May 4, 2022 8:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Kindle desktop reader and NVDA

 

Using NVDA 2022.1B4 and Kindle REader 1.36.  I am able to read most books in my library, but one particular book (The Hobbit 75th anniversary collection) does not allow me to navigate through the text field, though the Kindle built-in TTS works.

 

Christopher Bartlett

 

 

On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 6:08 PM David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...> wrote:

Christopher, what version of NVDA are you running? Can you be very specific about how NVDA is behaving with the Kindle app?

I’m using beta 4 of NVDA 2022.1 with version 1.36 of the Kindle for PC app and I am able to navigate the text area of a book.

 

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

NVDA Certified Expert

 

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Re: Kindle desktop reader and NVDA

Christopher Bartlett
 

I can't answer the first question, as I purchased the book yesterday and Kindle updated automatically when I opened it to read the book.
As for the second part of the message, yes, it probably would have been helpful, but it didn't occur to me, because I was unaware of the issue surrounding advanced typesetting, so I didn't know to look for it.

Christopher Bartlett


On Wed, May 4, 2022 at 7:24 AM David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...> wrote:

Were you able to navigate through this book before the V1.36 update?

It would have been helpful if you had mentioned that you can read most of the other books in your library in your previous message because this provides a clue as to what may be happening.

Check the book listing on the Kindle Web site and see if enhanced typesetting is listed as being disabled.

If it is then this may be the reason for the issue.

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2022

NVDA Certified Expert

 

Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive emails regarding news and events in the blindness assistive technology field.

Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io

www.DavidGoldfield.org

 

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christopher Bartlett
Sent: Wednesday, May 4, 2022 8:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Kindle desktop reader and NVDA

 

Using NVDA 2022.1B4 and Kindle REader 1.36.  I am able to read most books in my library, but one particular book (The Hobbit 75th anniversary collection) does not allow me to navigate through the text field, though the Kindle built-in TTS works.

 

Christopher Bartlett

 

 

On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 6:08 PM David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...> wrote:

Christopher, what version of NVDA are you running? Can you be very specific about how NVDA is behaving with the Kindle app?

I’m using beta 4 of NVDA 2022.1 with version 1.36 of the Kindle for PC app and I am able to navigate the text area of a book.

 

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

NVDA Certified Expert

 

Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive emails regarding news and events in the blindness assistive technology field.

Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io

www.DavidGoldfield.org

 

 

 

 

 


 

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Re: Kindle desktop reader and NVDA

David Goldfield
 

Were you able to navigate through this book before the V1.36 update?

It would have been helpful if you had mentioned that you can read most of the other books in your library in your previous message because this provides a clue as to what may be happening.

Check the book listing on the Kindle Web site and see if enhanced typesetting is listed as being disabled.

If it is then this may be the reason for the issue.

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

NVDA Certified Expert

 

Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive emails regarding news and events in the blindness assistive technology field.

Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io

www.DavidGoldfield.org

 

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christopher Bartlett
Sent: Wednesday, May 4, 2022 8:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Kindle desktop reader and NVDA

 

Using NVDA 2022.1B4 and Kindle REader 1.36.  I am able to read most books in my library, but one particular book (The Hobbit 75th anniversary collection) does not allow me to navigate through the text field, though the Kindle built-in TTS works.

 

Christopher Bartlett

 

 

On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 6:08 PM David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...> wrote:

Christopher, what version of NVDA are you running? Can you be very specific about how NVDA is behaving with the Kindle app?

I’m using beta 4 of NVDA 2022.1 with version 1.36 of the Kindle for PC app and I am able to navigate the text area of a book.

 

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

NVDA Certified Expert

 

Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive emails regarding news and events in the blindness assistive technology field.

Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io

www.DavidGoldfield.org

 

 

 

 

 


 

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Re: Kindle desktop reader and NVDA

Christopher Bartlett
 

Using NVDA 2022.1B4 and Kindle REader 1.36.  I am able to read most books in my library, but one particular book (The Hobbit 75th anniversary collection) does not allow me to navigate through the text field, though the Kindle built-in TTS works.

Christopher Bartlett


On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 6:08 PM David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...> wrote:

Christopher, what version of NVDA are you running? Can you be very specific about how NVDA is behaving with the Kindle app?

I’m using beta 4 of NVDA 2022.1 with version 1.36 of the Kindle for PC app and I am able to navigate the text area of a book.

 

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2022

NVDA Certified Expert

 

Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive emails regarding news and events in the blindness assistive technology field.

Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io

www.DavidGoldfield.org

 

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christopher Bartlett
Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2022 3:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Kindle desktop reader and NVDA

 

I just opened up the Kindle desktop reader with NVDA.  There was an update of the reader, and now I don't seem to be able to use normal navigation in the book text field.  I'm wondering if others have experienced this and have found a way to restore this functionality?

And yes, I suspect this is Kindle not NVDA-related, but I'm hoping for a fix, since I've a class that is depending on being able to read this.

 

Christopher Bartlett


 

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Re: Naming Conventions in the NVDA Voice Dialogue

David Goldfield
 

I do agree with Nermin and, while I don’t necessarily consider this to be the most important issue to consider, renaming some of these options might make NVDA’s interface to be a bit more intuitive to newer users. I think that the variant option might be more understandable if it could be called Person or Voice with the Voice list being renamed something like Language? I may do a search for this on the Github page and file it as a feature request if it hasn’t already been done.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2022 11:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Naming Conventions in the NVDA Voice Dialogue

 

I'm not familiar with the original decisions as to the naming, however, the exact options do depend on the synthesizer in use.

eSpeak NG uses both options.  I currently have:

Voice: English (Great Britain)

Variant: Max

 

OneCore only uses voice, which is currently Microsoft George on mine.  Although the language isn't specified, each language includes usually two voices (Male and female) - so I could switch between male and female voices of the one language, or change languages entirely by altering the "voice" here.

 

Microsoft SPeech API Version 5.  Works similar to OneCore, although the list does include mention of the language of each voice, eg: Microsoft David - English (United States)

 

I haven't double checked other synthesizers just now, but my understanding is that some synthesizers will have options to alter one or the other.

 

Quentin.

 

 

 

On Wed, May 4, 2022 at 12:38 PM Nermin via groups.io <voy44=yahoo.de@groups.io> wrote:

Hi,


maybe this is something Joseph Lee can shed a light on. Ever since I've
had to switch synthesizers in NVDA, and I've been using the software
since 2007 or so, I've wondered why "Variant" is variant, and "voice" is
voice.


To explain this a bit, the "Voice" combo box will effectively switch the
synthesiser language, while "variant" switches the current voice.

So, for consistency, wouldn't it be better to just rename them?

I'd assume that the naming convention came into being when ESpeak gained
popularity and Jonathan Duddington was still on the then NVDA list.


Regards,

Nermin






 

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