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Re: Punctuation

Peter Beasley
 

I have tried all of the settings for punctuation but still can’t get rid of exclamation. from Mail for Windows

 

From: Steve Nutt
Sent: 10 May 2022 08:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctuation

 

Also, don’t forget you can change the level at which punctuation is spoken, specifically the exclamation and apostrophes.

 

Check out the punctuation settings in NVDA.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 05 May 2022 16:36
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctuationp

 

What happens if you use E-Speak?

Gene

On 5/5/2022 10:31 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:

I am using Windows one core voice George and don’t have another screenreader.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Gene
Sent: 05 May 2022 16:27
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctuationp

 

I don't recall if these two suggestions were made.  Have you tried using a portable version?  Also, have you tried another screen-reader using the same synthesizer? 

Gene

On 5/5/2022 10:20 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:

I have tried everything but am unable to stop NVDA form announcing exclamation and apostrophe.

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Visual studio lagging

 

Hi,

Specifically in order to reload UIA support, but the explanation makes sense.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Visual studio lagging

Cyrille
 

Hi all

Thanks Amir and Gene for the answers.

And thanks for the trick Gene. Thisreally makes a difference.

Actually, on the contrary to what I wrote yesterday, checking "Enable selective registration for UI Automation events and property changes" in the Advanced Settings seems to greatly improve things. But today I have restarted NVDA after having modified the option, what I did not do yesterday. This restart seems necessary to guarantee that this option takes effect, probably because UIA events are only registered at NVDA startup.

I will let you know if I face any new difficulty.

Cheers,

Cyrille


suggestion for NVDA

aidan gamble
 

Good day to everyone

A suggestion to be hopefully taken up by developers

 

Cause we have an addon or something developed in invda to allow us to access news services or online streaming radio services

Regards

Aidan


Re: Punctuation

Steve Nutt
 

Also, don’t forget you can change the level at which punctuation is spoken, specifically the exclamation and apostrophes.

 

Check out the punctuation settings in NVDA.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 05 May 2022 16:36
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctuationp

 

What happens if you use E-Speak?

Gene

On 5/5/2022 10:31 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:

I am using Windows one core voice George and don’t have another screenreader.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Gene
Sent: 05 May 2022 16:27
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctuationp

 

I don't recall if these two suggestions were made.  Have you tried using a portable version?  Also, have you tried another screen-reader using the same synthesizer? 

Gene

On 5/5/2022 10:20 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:

I have tried everything but am unable to stop NVDA form announcing exclamation and apostrophe.

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

 

 

 


Re: time and date key (NVDA plus F12)

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

Why don't you go into input options and change the time and date to something else like the pause key?

On 5/9/2022 9:49 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I don't know what kind of system you have, but check to see your fn keys are deactivated. Consult your favorite search engine as there are a million ways to do things on every different laptop.

Good luck.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: Monday, May 9, 2022 7:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] time and date key (NVDA plus F12)

For some reason, my time and date key isn't working.


I'm using windows 10 and NVDA 21.3.3. When I first boot up, the command
F12 tells me the system volume. After it's been up awhile, it stays silent. I did the NVDA fix thing but that didn't help. At first, it doesn't want to change review modes; but that comes back after a bit. This is all after a system restore, if that matters


Any ideas anyone? Thanks.


Howard











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Re: Header issue with Bookshare and BARD pages, my bad

Sarah k Alawami
 

Lol. We all mess up. I've been running lists since 2005 and I still fudge. I'm glad you got your problem fixed.

Happy Monday.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Larry Higgins
Sent: Monday, May 9, 2022 7:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Header issue with Bookshare and BARD pages, my bad

Yep Sarah, we all make mistakes. And I'll be honest. I've been using email, and have been a light participant in email lists for nearly 30 years, and I should have known better than to do what I did. I probably should have started an entirely new thread by saying something like "I made a booboo" or something of that nature. I'm sure glad there isn't a jail for miscreant like me <smile>.

On 5/9/2022 8:54 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I think of it like this, and I've told people on several lists. What you did is called hijacking a thread, that is a big no no for those of us using email clients as it creates a mess. I don't tolerate that on any of my lists. I don't mind doing the dirty work, but it makes my life easier when all 300 or so people follow the rules of, just don't do it. Now it's back to cleaning up a mess I made when I hosed something I should not have. Lol!

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Larry
Higgins
Sent: Monday, May 9, 2022 6:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Header issue with Bookshare and BARD pages, my bad

Luke,


All points well taken. If only this were a more perfect world.


Unfortunately, when one is thinking only (and selfish though it might be), of a solution to their immediate problem, they aren't for the most part, thinking so considerately, they just want a solution, and they want it as soon as possible. But nevertheless, you have made some very good points, and sure, we should all keep these in mind when pursuing an answer to a problem.


I guess one way in which we could think of these problems and their ultimate solutions would be kind of like a saga, or at least that's some times the way I think of them, especially when the subject has peaked my interest. I will, from here on out try to be more considerate in the future.


And if I think I might know how to search for the answer to a specific issue in the archives, I should probably take advantage of it. However when it came to this one, I'm not quite sure how I would have gone about it. Maybe type in the word "header" and search through all of the entries, and maybe I would have gotten lucky <smile>. But at least, with all of those willing to provide their kind help, we got to the bottom of it.

Have a good evening,

Larry

On 5/9/2022 7:08 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Hi Larry

You wrote:
The primary reason for changing the subject line was not to annoy
you or anybody else
It's not that I was personally annoied. It's that the practice of
starting a new message thread is annoying. I will explain.

If anyone reading the list archives in a month or a year finds that
message thread via a web search or whatever, they will now have no
idea how it turned out, because the resolution is on a completely
different thread that they won't know anything about. Well, unless
Brian goes through the trouble of merging the two threads, which is
never guaranteed.

Imagine that they are having the same problem, and thinking "oh
great, I'm finally going to get an answer". They read through all the
messages in the old thread, waiting to get to the one with the answer.
Only they will be frustrated by just falling off the end without any
resolution because the resolution has been kept from them by being
put in some other thread, which they aren't reading.

A mailing list is a community. Sure you (the general you, not just
you
Larry) are asking for help for your particular problem, but you are
also potentially helping anybody else who is having that problem. And
because of list archives, you are helping anyone who might have it in
the future. Please think of that time-smeared nature of mailing list
exchanges, any time you are posting.

The solution to your little niggle today, could be the google search
result that saves somebody's job in five years!

End rant. :)

Luke













Re: time and date key (NVDA plus F12)

Sarah k Alawami
 

I don't know what kind of system you have, but check to see your fn keys are deactivated. Consult your favorite search engine as there are a million ways to do things on every different laptop.

Good luck.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: Monday, May 9, 2022 7:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] time and date key (NVDA plus F12)

For some reason, my time and date key isn't working.


I'm using windows 10 and NVDA 21.3.3. When I first boot up, the command
F12 tells me the system volume. After it's been up awhile, it stays silent. I did the NVDA fix thing but that didn't help. At first, it doesn't want to change review modes; but that comes back after a bit. This is all after a system restore, if that matters


Any ideas anyone? Thanks.


Howard


Re: time and date key (NVDA plus F12)

Fawaz Abdul rahman
 

Hi,
Assuming you have a laptop,
Probably your f keys are not working as f1 to f12, rather as some system function.
so try with the function key. NVDA+Function+f12.
If that works, you can try fixing the f keys depending on the laptop model.
good luck.


On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 5:29 AM Howard Traxler <htraxler7@...> wrote:
For some reason, my time and date key isn't working.


I'm using windows 10 and NVDA 21.3.3.  When I first boot up, the command
F12 tells me the system volume.  After it's been up awhile, it stays
silent.  I did the NVDA fix thing but that didn't help.  At first, it
doesn't want to change review modes; but that comes back after a bit. 
This is all after a system restore, if that matters


Any ideas anyone?  Thanks.


Howard








Re: Header issue with Bookshare and BARD pages, my bad

Larry Higgins
 

Yep Sarah, we all make mistakes. And I'll be honest. I've been using email, and have been a light participant in email lists for nearly 30 years, and I should have known better than to do what I did. I probably should have started an entirely new thread by saying something like "I made a booboo" or something of that nature. I'm sure glad there isn't a jail for miscreant like me <smile>.

On 5/9/2022 8:54 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I think of it like this, and I've told people on several lists. What you did is called hijacking a thread, that is a big no no for those of us using email clients as it creates a mess. I don't tolerate that on any of my lists. I don't mind doing the dirty work, but it makes my life easier when all 300 or so people follow the rules of, just don't do it. Now it's back to cleaning up a mess I made when I hosed something I should not have. Lol!

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Larry Higgins
Sent: Monday, May 9, 2022 6:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Header issue with Bookshare and BARD pages, my bad

Luke,


All points well taken. If only this were a more perfect world.


Unfortunately, when one is thinking only (and selfish though it might be), of a solution to their immediate problem, they aren't for the most part, thinking so considerately, they just want a solution, and they want it as soon as possible. But nevertheless, you have made some very good points, and sure, we should all keep these in mind when pursuing an answer to a problem.


I guess one way in which we could think of these problems and their ultimate solutions would be kind of like a saga, or at least that's some times the way I think of them, especially when the subject has peaked my interest. I will, from here on out try to be more considerate in the future.


And if I think I might know how to search for the answer to a specific issue in the archives, I should probably take advantage of it. However when it came to this one, I'm not quite sure how I would have gone about it. Maybe type in the word "header" and search through all of the entries, and maybe I would have gotten lucky <smile>. But at least, with all of those willing to provide their kind help, we got to the bottom of it.

Have a good evening,

Larry

On 5/9/2022 7:08 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Hi Larry

You wrote:
The primary reason for changing the subject line was not to annoy you
or anybody else
It's not that I was personally annoied. It's that the practice of
starting a new message thread is annoying. I will explain.

If anyone reading the list archives in a month or a year finds that
message thread via a web search or whatever, they will now have no
idea how it turned out, because the resolution is on a completely
different thread that they won't know anything about. Well, unless
Brian goes through the trouble of merging the two threads, which is
never guaranteed.

Imagine that they are having the same problem, and thinking "oh great,
I'm finally going to get an answer". They read through all the
messages in the old thread, waiting to get to the one with the answer.
Only they will be frustrated by just falling off the end without any
resolution because the resolution has been kept from them by being put
in some other thread, which they aren't reading.

A mailing list is a community. Sure you (the general you, not just you
Larry) are asking for help for your particular problem, but you are
also potentially helping anybody else who is having that problem. And
because of list archives, you are helping anyone who might have it in
the future. Please think of that time-smeared nature of mailing list
exchanges, any time you are posting.

The solution to your little niggle today, could be the google search
result that saves somebody's job in five years!

End rant. :)

Luke












time and date key (NVDA plus F12)

Howard Traxler
 

For some reason, my time and date key isn't working.


I'm using windows 10 and NVDA 21.3.3.  When I first boot up, the command F12 tells me the system volume.  After it's been up awhile, it stays silent.  I did the NVDA fix thing but that didn't help.  At first, it doesn't want to change review modes; but that comes back after a bit.  This is all after a system restore, if that matters


Any ideas anyone?  Thanks.


Howard


Re: Header issue with Bookshare and BARD pages, my bad

Sarah k Alawami
 

I think of it like this, and I've told people on several lists. What you did is called hijacking a thread, that is a big no no for those of us using email clients as it creates a mess. I don't tolerate that on any of my lists. I don't mind doing the dirty work, but it makes my life easier when all 300 or so people follow the rules of, just don't do it. Now it's back to cleaning up a mess I made when I hosed something I should not have. Lol!

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Larry Higgins
Sent: Monday, May 9, 2022 6:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Header issue with Bookshare and BARD pages, my bad

Luke,


All points well taken. If only this were a more perfect world.


Unfortunately, when one is thinking only (and selfish though it might be), of a solution to their immediate problem, they aren't for the most part, thinking so considerately, they just want a solution, and they want it as soon as possible. But nevertheless, you have made some very good points, and sure, we should all keep these in mind when pursuing an answer to a problem.


I guess one way in which we could think of these problems and their ultimate solutions would be kind of like a saga, or at least that's some times the way I think of them, especially when the subject has peaked my interest. I will, from here on out try to be more considerate in the future.


And if I think I might know how to search for the answer to a specific issue in the archives, I should probably take advantage of it. However when it came to this one, I'm not quite sure how I would have gone about it. Maybe type in the word "header" and search through all of the entries, and maybe I would have gotten lucky <smile>. But at least, with all of those willing to provide their kind help, we got to the bottom of it.

Have a good evening,

Larry

On 5/9/2022 7:08 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Hi Larry

You wrote:
The primary reason for changing the subject line was not to annoy you
or anybody else
It's not that I was personally annoied. It's that the practice of
starting a new message thread is annoying. I will explain.

If anyone reading the list archives in a month or a year finds that
message thread via a web search or whatever, they will now have no
idea how it turned out, because the resolution is on a completely
different thread that they won't know anything about. Well, unless
Brian goes through the trouble of merging the two threads, which is
never guaranteed.

Imagine that they are having the same problem, and thinking "oh great,
I'm finally going to get an answer". They read through all the
messages in the old thread, waiting to get to the one with the answer.
Only they will be frustrated by just falling off the end without any
resolution because the resolution has been kept from them by being put
in some other thread, which they aren't reading.

A mailing list is a community. Sure you (the general you, not just you
Larry) are asking for help for your particular problem, but you are
also potentially helping anybody else who is having that problem. And
because of list archives, you are helping anyone who might have it in
the future. Please think of that time-smeared nature of mailing list
exchanges, any time you are posting.

The solution to your little niggle today, could be the google search
result that saves somebody's job in five years!

End rant. :)

Luke





Re: Header issue with Bookshare and BARD pages, my bad

Larry Higgins
 

OK, got it.

On 5/9/2022 7:07 PM, Gene wrote:
You shouldn't change the subject line unless you are discussing an entirely new subject with no relation to the general one being discussed.  Subject lines tell what the topic of a message is.  They don't express ideas that should be in the message body.  If I have a problem and I solve it, I don't change the subject line to I solved it.  The message is still on the subject of the thread.  I solved it should be in the message body. 

Changing the subject line causes the archives not to be organized as well and if people are reading mail by conversation, it begins a new conversation. 

Gene


On 5/9/2022 6:24 PM, Larry Higgins wrote:
Luke,


I believe I did read your message, but I guess I didn't get the fact that one could simply type the header's designated number and get where you wished to go until Sarah pointed it out just a few minutes ago.


The primary reason for changing the subject line was not to annoy you or anybody else, but to let those, like you know that I did have something wrong, and although I didn't even then get it perfectly right, at least I was making progress.


No offense meant, your input was greatly appreciated,


And hey, I'm pushing the big 7'o here, so I'm going to have a senior brain fart every now and then.


Have a nice day and once again, thanks for your helpful advice.


Sincerely,


Larry



On 5/9/2022 3:39 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Larry Higgins wrote:

With WE, you type the designated header number before the H, where with JFW and NVDA, you type the H before the designated number.

Larry, as I explained to you yesterday, and Gene explained in more detail, this is just wrong.

You press the header number, or H, not both.

H is the general header command. It takes you to whatever the next header is.

The number commands, one through six, take you to the next header at that specific level.

If you use both, you will jump two headers.

You didn't knowledge either of my messages yesterday on this header topic (before you changed the subject line, which is very annoying, please don't do that), so I don't know if you read either of them, or the one Gene sent. Hopefully you read this one.

Luke











.


Re: Header issue with Bookshare and BARD pages, my bad

Larry Higgins
 

Luke,


All points well taken. If only this were a more perfect world.


Unfortunately, when one is thinking only (and selfish though it might be), of a solution to their immediate problem, they aren't for the most part, thinking so considerately, they just want a solution, and they want it as soon as possible. But nevertheless, you have made some very good points, and sure, we should all keep these in mind when pursuing an answer to a problem.


I guess one way in which we could think of these problems and their ultimate solutions would be kind of like a saga, or at least that's some times the way I think of them, especially when the subject has peaked my interest. I will, from here on out try to be more considerate in the future.


And if I think I might know how to search for the answer to a specific issue in the archives, I should probably take advantage of it. However when it came to this one, I'm not quite sure how I would have gone about it. Maybe type in the word "header" and search through all of the entries, and maybe I would have gotten lucky <smile>. But at least, with all of those willing to provide their kind help, we got to the bottom of it.

Have a good evening,

Larry

On 5/9/2022 7:08 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Hi Larry

You wrote:
The primary reason for changing the subject line was not to annoy you or anybody else
It's not that I was personally annoied. It's that the practice of starting a new message thread is annoying. I will explain.

If anyone reading the list archives in a month or a year finds that message thread via a web search or whatever, they will now have no idea how it turned out, because the resolution is on a completely different thread that they won't know anything about. Well, unless Brian goes through the trouble of merging the two threads, which is never guaranteed.

Imagine that they are having the same problem, and thinking "oh great, I'm finally going to get an answer". They read through all the messages in the old thread, waiting to get to the one with the answer. Only they will be frustrated by just falling off the end without any resolution because the resolution has been kept from them by being put in some other thread, which they aren't reading.

A mailing list is a community. Sure you (the general you, not just you Larry) are asking for help for your particular problem, but you are also potentially helping anybody else who is having that problem. And because of list archives, you are helping anyone who might have it in the future. Please think of that time-smeared nature of mailing list exchanges, any time you are posting.

The solution to your little niggle today, could be the google search result that saves somebody's job in five years!

End rant. :)

Luke




Re: crashes in the last few betas

 
Edited

Hi Dan,

At least it tells me more than one thing...

The "piano notes" you hear are not an indication of a crash - they are played in alpha and beta builds to indicate a Python exception not been caught. In other words, it indicates an error while NVDA is running and is meant to inform people reading the NVDA logs that something odd has happened. This can come from either NVDA itself or with add-ons.

Based on what you are telling us, it looks like a log is needed to look at what's up. Please do:

  1. Press NVDA+F1 to open the NVDA log viewer.
  2. Select all, then copy the log text.
  3. Paste it as a private email to me.

I will inform the forum once I parse the log.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: crashes in the last few betas

Dan Beaver
 

Hi Joseph,


I do not know how to specify the exact steps to reproduce these crashes.  At least I assume they are crashes, I frequently hear a sound that sounds like 2 piano notes played in a descending direction. 

the only consistent time I hear them is when my system is booting. 


These most often happen when I am booting my system.  They play several times as it is loading.  Then later I will hear them as programs are coming up but not always.  It is very hit and miss.


I started hearing these sounds most often when I was using notepad plus plus. They would happen at every key stroke.  I updated the plug in and those stopped but they still happen in other programs from time to time.


I remember seeing posts about crashes a while back and assumed I was just experiencing the same kind of crashes.


As far as the debug steps Luke Davis suggested go I do not recall ever hearing of some of them.  I am not a developer so am probably just ignorant of them.   Is there a place to find out how to learn how to use them and where to find them?


I do not know if any of this helps but this is what I can provide at the moment.


 

Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)
On 5/9/2022 6:27 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]
[Reason: Explain "recipe for cooking crashes"]

Hi Dan,

Can you give us the recipe or two to "cook these crashes" please a.k.a. exact steps to reproduce if possible?

P.S. Poetry is fun, but be considerate when dealing with app crashes.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Task bar disappears after closing portable nvda

Quentin Christensen
 

I can't think of anything obvious - do you have any add-ons?  You mention you made a portable copy to take to your uncle - do you have NVDA installed, and if so, I assume that is NOT doing the same thing?


On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 4:28 AM farhan israk <fahim.net.2014@...> wrote:

Thank you. No, unless I restart windows explorer, task bar does not appear.


On Fri, 6 May 2022, 4:27 am Quentin Christensen, <quentin@...> wrote:
Hi Farhan,

I just tried here and can't immediately replicate it.  I have seen previously - unrelated to NVDA - where explorer crashes, the taskbar can disappear or appear empty for a little while.  I've found when this happens in Windows 10, it usually sorts itself out after a few seconds, although the open windows may be in a different order to where they were previously.  Could it be something like that?   Does the taskbar come back after say 10 or 20 seconds?

Quentin.

On Thu, May 5, 2022 at 8:12 PM farhan israk <fahim.net.2014@...> wrote:
I am using windows 10 21h2 and nvda 2021.3.5. I have noticed a strange issue. Suppose I have turned on portable copy to check that this copy is working properly or not after creating portable copy. I am going to visit my uncle's house tomorrow. So, I created a portable copy. If I exit the portable copy after confirming everything is working and turn on the standard or normal copy, the taskbar disappears. I neither can focus the task bar pressing windows + t nor pressing tab several times after focusing desktop. However, I have not verified by a sighted person. So, I cannot say strongly that it really disappears or nvda cannot focus on it. I have to restart windows explorer from the task manager to bring it back. I have noticed this strange issue two times.



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Training and Support Manager



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Training and Support Manager


Re: Header issue with Bookshare and BARD pages, my bad

Luke Davis
 

Hi Larry

You wrote:
The primary reason for changing the subject line was not to annoy you or anybody else
It's not that I was personally annoied. It's that the practice of starting a new message thread is annoying. I will explain.

If anyone reading the list archives in a month or a year finds that message thread via a web search or whatever, they will now have no idea how it turned out, because the resolution is on a completely different thread that they won't know anything about. Well, unless Brian goes through the trouble of merging the two threads, which is never guaranteed.

Imagine that they are having the same problem, and thinking "oh great, I'm finally going to get an answer". They read through all the messages in the old thread, waiting to get to the one with the answer. Only they will be frustrated by just falling off the end without any resolution because the resolution has been kept from them by being put in some other thread, which they aren't reading.

A mailing list is a community. Sure you (the general you, not just you Larry) are asking for help for your particular problem, but you are also potentially helping anybody else who is having that problem. And because of list archives, you are helping anyone who might have it in the future. Please think of that time-smeared nature of mailing list exchanges, any time you are posting.

The solution to your little niggle today, could be the google search result that saves somebody's job in five years!

End rant. :)

Luke


Re: Header issue with Bookshare and BARD pages, my bad

Gene
 

You shouldn't change the subject line unless you are discussing an entirely new subject with no relation to the general one being discussed.  Subject lines tell what the topic of a message is.  They don't express ideas that should be in the message body.  If I have a problem and I solve it, I don't change the subject line to I solved it.  The message is still on the subject of the thread.  I solved it should be in the message body. 

Changing the subject line causes the archives not to be organized as well and if people are reading mail by conversation, it begins a new conversation. 

Gene


On 5/9/2022 6:24 PM, Larry Higgins wrote:
Luke,


I believe I did read your message, but I guess I didn't get the fact that one could simply type the header's designated number and get where you wished to go until Sarah pointed it out just a few minutes ago.


The primary reason for changing the subject line was not to annoy you or anybody else, but to let those, like you know that I did have something wrong, and although I didn't even then get it perfectly right, at least I was making progress.


No offense meant, your input was greatly appreciated,


And hey, I'm pushing the big 7'o here, so I'm going to have a senior brain fart every now and then.


Have a nice day and once again, thanks for your helpful advice.


Sincerely,


Larry



On 5/9/2022 3:39 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Larry Higgins wrote:

With WE, you type the designated header number before the H, where with JFW and NVDA, you type the H before the designated number.

Larry, as I explained to you yesterday, and Gene explained in more detail, this is just wrong.

You press the header number, or H, not both.

H is the general header command. It takes you to whatever the next header is.

The number commands, one through six, take you to the next header at that specific level.

If you use both, you will jump two headers.

You didn't knowledge either of my messages yesterday on this header topic (before you changed the subject line, which is very annoying, please don't do that), so I don't know if you read either of them, or the one Gene sent. Hopefully you read this one.

Luke











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Re: Header issue with Bookshare and BARD pages, my bad

Sarah k Alawami
 

There is an eq in vlc but if you have any questions please ask on the chat group.

Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Larry Higgins
Sent: Monday, May 9, 2022 4:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Header issue with Bookshare and BARD pages, my bad

Sarah,


Wow!, thanks for the info on the headers. A bit of egg on my face, but it was worth it.


I may give VLC another try, but when I looked at it, not too long ago,
it lacked an equalizer, and again, there were no facilities for easy
access to streams, at least not as easy as Winamp. If you have any
pointers, I certainly would appreciate them.


And Foobar? I really don't relish having to build the thing from the
bottom up.


Now, if you have a keyboard configuration that you are fond of, maybe
you could send it along, and I could try installing, and giving it a go.
And if I felt I needed to make adjustments, at least I would have
something to work with.

Thanks again,


Larry


On 5/9/2022 2:58 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Lol. Use foo bar or vlc for yore listening. I like it in loo of win amp any time. Plus you can config the keys to fit what you want to do.

A slight correction on your findings. You do not do 2 h at all or even h 2. just do 2 in browse mode and you will be taken to the heading level 2 on that page and shift 2 to go back.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Larry Higgins
Sent: Monday, May 9, 2022 6:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Header issue with Bookshare and BARD pages, my bad

Good and patient listers,


I'm quite sure now that I have figured out where my issue with headers stems from, and it is in the different way in which Window-Eyes handled headers on Web pages.


With WE, you type the designated header number before the H, where with JFW and NVDA, you type the H before the designated number.


To confuse things just a little, with NVDA, and JFW, if you type the 2
before the letter H, you are actually able to skip over headers, or in
the case of BARD and Bookshare, titles.


Anyway, my bad.


Now before anybody takes the opportunity to launch into me about still
making use of WE, if only someone would take it upon themselves to right
an equally convenient and sophisticated addon for Winamp, I would just
give it up altogether, at this point, most likely for NVDA. But until
someone does, I'll just have to keep using WE whenever I want to do any
serious music listening, which in my case is quite often <smile>.


I think my next project might be to learn how to use emojies.


Once again, thanks kindly for your assistance.


Larry













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