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Re: Punctuation

Sarah k Alawami
 

Ok, good. Does it work now when you are reading gmail? Here!

 

This is a test! Now, tell me the rest! I’m not a good poet! And yes I do know it! So don’t say I committed a crime When I speak in rhythm and rhyme!

 

Don’t shoot me too hard guys.  This is why I don’t write poetry for a living. Here’s hoping that removing the !  worked in the end as I don’t’ want to write poetry again.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Beasley
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2022 3:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctuation

 

Apologies for my last e=mail. I checked the dictionary, and exclamation was in there so I have removed it.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Chris Mullins
Sent: 11 May 2022 10:37
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctuation

 

As I described in my message, there are 2 settings that are used to determine what punctuation you hear, so when you say “I have tried setting it”, which setting are you talking about?.  Similarly, you say “I do not want exclamation spoken when reading an e-mail”.  How are you reading the email, using say-all, line by line, word by word, character by character?

 

As I said, you need to give details.

 

Another thing to check is that you do not have any Dictionary entries associated with the punctuation symbols you are complaining about.  If there are any, delete them, the Dictionary is not the correct place for them.

 

Cheers

                Chris 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Peter Beasley
Sent: 11 May 2022 10:11
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctuation

 

I just do not want exclamation spoken when reading an e-mail or document. I have tried setting it to all, most, some and none but none of them seem to work. This has only started happening relatively recently.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 10 May 2022 17:55
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctuation

 

How do you mean. Are you reading by character? If so you will not get rid of the exclaim at all as it will by default speak. You never said what you wanted to do, ever. Make this clear and we can help you otherwise we are beating a dead horse here.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Beasley
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2022 3:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctuation

 

I have tried all of the settings for punctuation but still can’t get rid of exclamation. from Mail for Windows

 

From: Steve Nutt
Sent: 10 May 2022 08:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctuation

 

Also, don’t forget you can change the level at which punctuation is spoken, specifically the exclamation and apostrophes.

 

Check out the punctuation settings in NVDA.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 05 May 2022 16:36
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctuationp

 

What happens if you use E-Speak?

Gene

On 5/5/2022 10:31 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:

I am using Windows one core voice George and don’t have another screenreader.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Gene
Sent: 05 May 2022 16:27
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctuationp

 

I don't recall if these two suggestions were made.  Have you tried using a portable version?  Also, have you tried another screen-reader using the same synthesizer? 

Gene

On 5/5/2022 10:20 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:

I have tried everything but am unable to stop NVDA form announcing exclamation and apostrophe.

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: MS Word

Sarah k Alawami
 

I think in my case I just ran the installer again but I cannot recall now. It's been a while, about a year since I have had to do an office repair. And boy was it hair pulling as it didn't actually resolve the issue. I had to run a differen tool found in office. The process though was accessible.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of AKH AKH
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2022 7:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] MS Word

I now get a message saying 'unlicenced product, when I try and open a Word file. Will I be able to resolve this using NVDA as my screen reader? I've found advice, on line, telling me to go to control panel, then programmes and select MS 360 and then click on repair. I can't find the repair option, I can only find the uninstall. option.

Perhaps it is hidden from my view?

Any advice or experience please.

Andrew


Re: Punctuation

Sarah k Alawami
 

Are you using say all? are you usein line? Are you using character by charaber? Can you upload a  recording to dropbox or something so we can hear what you are doing? We’ve asked you this before and you have failed to provide the information. If you fail again this will not be a first attempt in learning but a failure to follow instructions, and very specific ones at that.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Beasley
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2022 2:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctuation

 

I just do not want exclamation spoken when reading an e-mail or document. I have tried setting it to all, most, some and none but none of them seem to work. This has only started happening relatively recently.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 10 May 2022 17:55
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctuation

 

How do you mean. Are you reading by character? If so you will not get rid of the exclaim at all as it will by default speak. You never said what you wanted to do, ever. Make this clear and we can help you otherwise we are beating a dead horse here.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Beasley
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2022 3:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctuation

 

I have tried all of the settings for punctuation but still can’t get rid of exclamation. from Mail for Windows

 

From: Steve Nutt
Sent: 10 May 2022 08:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctuation

 

Also, don’t forget you can change the level at which punctuation is spoken, specifically the exclamation and apostrophes.

 

Check out the punctuation settings in NVDA.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 05 May 2022 16:36
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctuationp

 

What happens if you use E-Speak?

Gene

On 5/5/2022 10:31 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:

I am using Windows one core voice George and don’t have another screenreader.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Gene
Sent: 05 May 2022 16:27
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctuationp

 

I don't recall if these two suggestions were made.  Have you tried using a portable version?  Also, have you tried another screen-reader using the same synthesizer? 

Gene

On 5/5/2022 10:20 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:

I have tried everything but am unable to stop NVDA form announcing exclamation and apostrophe.

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: MS Word

Rui Fontes
 

Have you tried to go to MS Word, and in the File menu choosing Account.

Probably you will find a control to make login again...


Rui Fontes


Às 15:07 de 11/05/2022, AKH AKH escreveu:

I now get a message saying 'unlicenced product, when I try and open a Word file. Will I be able to resolve this using NVDA as my screen reader? I've found advice, on line,  telling me to go to control panel, then programmes and select MS 360 and then click on repair. I can't find the repair option, I can only find the uninstall. option.

Perhaps it is hidden from my view?

Any advice or experience please.

Andrew






MS Word

AKH AKH
 

I now get a message saying 'unlicenced product, when I try and open a Word file. Will I be able to resolve this using NVDA as my screen reader? I've found advice, on line,  telling me to go to control panel, then programmes and select MS 360 and then click on repair. I can't find the repair option, I can only find the uninstall. option.

Perhaps it is hidden from my view?

Any advice or experience please.

Andrew


Re: Excel and sort data

William
 

Hi, please see here https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/13682

Cearbhall O'Meadhra 於 11/5/2022 21:13 寫道:

William

 

I would be happy to add my experience to your submission. What is the GitHub code for your entry?

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of William
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2022 11:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Excel and sort data

 

Cearbhall, I think you can also add your comment to the github discussion which I have posted earlier.

 

Cearbhall O'Meadhra 11/5/2022 17:44 寫道:

Quentin and William,

 

Step 7 describes what I experience every time when sorting a document in excel.

I am using Office 2016 in Windows 10 and latest NVDA – all latest versions.

 

This is a noisy and unnecessary babble of information. I always press the left alt key to silence it so that I can actually hear the options in the next drop down box.

 

I can also replicate this when I move away from the spreadsheet to another application and swing back again with alt+tab. This generates the full text that William describes.

 

The elements I hear are:

1.The Sheet title followed by the addition of "dash Excel"

2. Then "unavailable"

3.Then "Sort dialog, Sort widnow"

4. Then "Data Grid"

5. Then "Sort data Item 1 of 1"

6. Then "Order combo box, smallest to largest collapsed"

 

If I do not change the three boxes, "order by" "sort on" or "order", I do not get this echo as I tab from combo box to combo box.

However, as soon as I activate any one of these  combo boxes, I get the full whack of all six elements described above when I tab away from the combo box.

 

If I keep the alt key pressed when I press alt +tab to return to the Excel window from another application window, I hear the sheet title plus "dash Excel" but no mention of "Unavailable". However, when I let go the alt key, I then get the repetition of the Title and all six parts of the announcement.

 

This is an awful lot of verbiage and it has no value to me as a user.

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2022 11:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Excel and sort data

 

I can replicate the first part - although just to confirm, the data itself is still read, it's just that you get the extra unnecessary list box list item information as well, correct?

 

For the next part, step 7, I couldn't replicate that, but maybe I was doing it slightly differently.

 

Would you be able to write it up at https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues please?

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 10:03 PM William <xsuper.sillyx@...> wrote:

Hello,


1. Open any excel file

2. filled the worksheet with some data with the first row as the header

3. select all existing data by ctrl +a

4. go to data tab, press sort button

5. tab to any of the dropdown menu

6. press up or down arrow, every time when I press up or down arrow, nvda
will say list box  list xxxx

7. after I have selected one of the item and press tab, nvda will repeat
the name of the current worksheet and says excel unavailable, followed
by the next item.


Would you please comment on whether this is a nvda or excel problem? Thanks.

William








 

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 


Re: Excel and sort data

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

William

 

I would be happy to add my experience to your submission. What is the GitHub code for your entry?

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of William
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2022 11:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Excel and sort data

 

Cearbhall, I think you can also add your comment to the github discussion which I have posted earlier.

 

Cearbhall O'Meadhra 11/5/2022 17:44 寫道:

Quentin and William,

 

Step 7 describes what I experience every time when sorting a document in excel.

I am using Office 2016 in Windows 10 and latest NVDA – all latest versions.

 

This is a noisy and unnecessary babble of information. I always press the left alt key to silence it so that I can actually hear the options in the next drop down box.

 

I can also replicate this when I move away from the spreadsheet to another application and swing back again with alt+tab. This generates the full text that William describes.

 

The elements I hear are:

1.The Sheet title followed by the addition of "dash Excel"

2. Then "unavailable"

3.Then "Sort dialog, Sort widnow"

4. Then "Data Grid"

5. Then "Sort data Item 1 of 1"

6. Then "Order combo box, smallest to largest collapsed"

 

If I do not change the three boxes, "order by" "sort on" or "order", I do not get this echo as I tab from combo box to combo box.

However, as soon as I activate any one of these  combo boxes, I get the full whack of all six elements described above when I tab away from the combo box.

 

If I keep the alt key pressed when I press alt +tab to return to the Excel window from another application window, I hear the sheet title plus "dash Excel" but no mention of "Unavailable". However, when I let go the alt key, I then get the repetition of the Title and all six parts of the announcement.

 

This is an awful lot of verbiage and it has no value to me as a user.

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2022 11:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Excel and sort data

 

I can replicate the first part - although just to confirm, the data itself is still read, it's just that you get the extra unnecessary list box list item information as well, correct?

 

For the next part, step 7, I couldn't replicate that, but maybe I was doing it slightly differently.

 

Would you be able to write it up at https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues please?

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 10:03 PM William <xsuper.sillyx@...> wrote:

Hello,


1. Open any excel file

2. filled the worksheet with some data with the first row as the header

3. select all existing data by ctrl +a

4. go to data tab, press sort button

5. tab to any of the dropdown menu

6. press up or down arrow, every time when I press up or down arrow, nvda
will say list box  list xxxx

7. after I have selected one of the item and press tab, nvda will repeat
the name of the current worksheet and says excel unavailable, followed
by the next item.


Would you please comment on whether this is a nvda or excel problem? Thanks.

William








 

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 


Re: Excel and sort data

William
 

Cearbhall, I think you can also add your comment to the github discussion which I have posted earlier.


Cearbhall O'Meadhra 於 11/5/2022 17:44 寫道:

Quentin and William,

 

Step 7 describes what I experience every time when sorting a document in excel.

I am using Office 2016 in Windows 10 and latest NVDA – all latest versions.

 

This is a noisy and unnecessary babble of information. I always press the left alt key to silence it so that I can actually hear the options in the next drop down box.

 

I can also replicate this when I move away from the spreadsheet to another application and swing back again with alt+tab. This generates the full text that William describes.

 

The elements I hear are:

1.The Sheet title followed by the addition of "dash Excel"

2. Then "unavailable"

3.Then "Sort dialog, Sort widnow"

4. Then "Data Grid"

5. Then "Sort data Item 1 of 1"

6. Then "Order combo box, smallest to largest collapsed"

 

If I do not change the three boxes, "order by" "sort on" or "order", I do not get this echo as I tab from combo box to combo box.

However, as soon as I activate any one of these  combo boxes, I get the full whack of all six elements described above when I tab away from the combo box.

 

If I keep the alt key pressed when I press alt +tab to return to the Excel window from another application window, I hear the sheet title plus "dash Excel" but no mention of "Unavailable". However, when I let go the alt key, I then get the repetition of the Title and all six parts of the announcement.

 

This is an awful lot of verbiage and it has no value to me as a user.

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2022 11:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Excel and sort data

 

I can replicate the first part - although just to confirm, the data itself is still read, it's just that you get the extra unnecessary list box list item information as well, correct?

 

For the next part, step 7, I couldn't replicate that, but maybe I was doing it slightly differently.

 

Would you be able to write it up at https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues please?

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 10:03 PM William <xsuper.sillyx@...> wrote:

Hello,


1. Open any excel file

2. filled the worksheet with some data with the first row as the header

3. select all existing data by ctrl +a

4. go to data tab, press sort button

5. tab to any of the dropdown menu

6. press up or down arrow, every time when I press up or down arrow, nvda
will say list box  list xxxx

7. after I have selected one of the item and press tab, nvda will repeat
the name of the current worksheet and says excel unavailable, followed
by the next item.


Would you please comment on whether this is a nvda or excel problem? Thanks.

William










 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 




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Re: Punctuation

Peter Beasley
 

Apologies for my last e=mail. I checked the dictionary, and exclamation was in there so I have removed it.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Chris Mullins
Sent: 11 May 2022 10:37
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctuation

 

As I described in my message, there are 2 settings that are used to determine what punctuation you hear, so when you say “I have tried setting it”, which setting are you talking about?.  Similarly, you say “I do not want exclamation spoken when reading an e-mail”.  How are you reading the email, using say-all, line by line, word by word, character by character?

 

As I said, you need to give details.

 

Another thing to check is that you do not have any Dictionary entries associated with the punctuation symbols you are complaining about.  If there are any, delete them, the Dictionary is not the correct place for them.

 

Cheers

                Chris 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Peter Beasley
Sent: 11 May 2022 10:11
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctuation

 

I just do not want exclamation spoken when reading an e-mail or document. I have tried setting it to all, most, some and none but none of them seem to work. This has only started happening relatively recently.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 10 May 2022 17:55
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctuation

 

How do you mean. Are you reading by character? If so you will not get rid of the exclaim at all as it will by default speak. You never said what you wanted to do, ever. Make this clear and we can help you otherwise we are beating a dead horse here.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Beasley
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2022 3:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctuation

 

I have tried all of the settings for punctuation but still can’t get rid of exclamation. from Mail for Windows

 

From: Steve Nutt
Sent: 10 May 2022 08:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctuation

 

Also, don’t forget you can change the level at which punctuation is spoken, specifically the exclamation and apostrophes.

 

Check out the punctuation settings in NVDA.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 05 May 2022 16:36
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctuationp

 

What happens if you use E-Speak?

Gene

On 5/5/2022 10:31 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:

I am using Windows one core voice George and don’t have another screenreader.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Gene
Sent: 05 May 2022 16:27
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctuationp

 

I don't recall if these two suggestions were made.  Have you tried using a portable version?  Also, have you tried another screen-reader using the same synthesizer? 

Gene

On 5/5/2022 10:20 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:

I have tried everything but am unable to stop NVDA form announcing exclamation and apostrophe.

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Punctuation

Peter Beasley
 

I don’t have any punctuation in the dictionary.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Chris Mullins
Sent: 11 May 2022 10:37
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctuation

 

As I described in my message, there are 2 settings that are used to determine what punctuation you hear, so when you say “I have tried setting it”, which setting are you talking about?.  Similarly, you say “I do not want exclamation spoken when reading an e-mail”.  How are you reading the email, using say-all, line by line, word by word, character by character?

 

As I said, you need to give details.

 

Another thing to check is that you do not have any Dictionary entries associated with the punctuation symbols you are complaining about.  If there are any, delete them, the Dictionary is not the correct place for them.

 

Cheers

                Chris 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Peter Beasley
Sent: 11 May 2022 10:11
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctuation

 

I just do not want exclamation spoken when reading an e-mail or document. I have tried setting it to all, most, some and none but none of them seem to work. This has only started happening relatively recently.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 10 May 2022 17:55
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctuation

 

How do you mean. Are you reading by character? If so you will not get rid of the exclaim at all as it will by default speak. You never said what you wanted to do, ever. Make this clear and we can help you otherwise we are beating a dead horse here.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Beasley
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2022 3:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctuation

 

I have tried all of the settings for punctuation but still can’t get rid of exclamation. from Mail for Windows

 

From: Steve Nutt
Sent: 10 May 2022 08:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctuation

 

Also, don’t forget you can change the level at which punctuation is spoken, specifically the exclamation and apostrophes.

 

Check out the punctuation settings in NVDA.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 05 May 2022 16:36
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctuationp

 

What happens if you use E-Speak?

Gene

On 5/5/2022 10:31 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:

I am using Windows one core voice George and don’t have another screenreader.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Gene
Sent: 05 May 2022 16:27
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctuationp

 

I don't recall if these two suggestions were made.  Have you tried using a portable version?  Also, have you tried another screen-reader using the same synthesizer? 

Gene

On 5/5/2022 10:20 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:

I have tried everything but am unable to stop NVDA form announcing exclamation and apostrophe.

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Excel and sort data

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Quentin and William,

 

Step 7 describes what I experience every time when sorting a document in excel.

I am using Office 2016 in Windows 10 and latest NVDA – all latest versions.

 

This is a noisy and unnecessary babble of information. I always press the left alt key to silence it so that I can actually hear the options in the next drop down box.

 

I can also replicate this when I move away from the spreadsheet to another application and swing back again with alt+tab. This generates the full text that William describes.

 

The elements I hear are:

1.The Sheet title followed by the addition of "dash Excel"

2. Then "unavailable"

3.Then "Sort dialog, Sort widnow"

4. Then "Data Grid"

5. Then "Sort data Item 1 of 1"

6. Then "Order combo box, smallest to largest collapsed"

 

If I do not change the three boxes, "order by" "sort on" or "order", I do not get this echo as I tab from combo box to combo box.

However, as soon as I activate any one of these  combo boxes, I get the full whack of all six elements described above when I tab away from the combo box.

 

If I keep the alt key pressed when I press alt +tab to return to the Excel window from another application window, I hear the sheet title plus "dash Excel" but no mention of "Unavailable". However, when I let go the alt key, I then get the repetition of the Title and all six parts of the announcement.

 

This is an awful lot of verbiage and it has no value to me as a user.

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2022 11:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Excel and sort data

 

I can replicate the first part - although just to confirm, the data itself is still read, it's just that you get the extra unnecessary list box list item information as well, correct?

 

For the next part, step 7, I couldn't replicate that, but maybe I was doing it slightly differently.

 

Would you be able to write it up at https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues please?

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 10:03 PM William <xsuper.sillyx@...> wrote:

Hello,


1. Open any excel file

2. filled the worksheet with some data with the first row as the header

3. select all existing data by ctrl +a

4. go to data tab, press sort button

5. tab to any of the dropdown menu

6. press up or down arrow, every time when I press up or down arrow, nvda
will say list box  list xxxx

7. after I have selected one of the item and press tab, nvda will repeat
the name of the current worksheet and says excel unavailable, followed
by the next item.


Would you please comment on whether this is a nvda or excel problem? Thanks.

William










 

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Re: Punctuation

Chris Mullins
 

As I described in my message, there are 2 settings that are used to determine what punctuation you hear, so when you say “I have tried setting it”, which setting are you talking about?.  Similarly, you say “I do not want exclamation spoken when reading an e-mail”.  How are you reading the email, using say-all, line by line, word by word, character by character?

 

As I said, you need to give details.

 

Another thing to check is that you do not have any Dictionary entries associated with the punctuation symbols you are complaining about.  If there are any, delete them, the Dictionary is not the correct place for them.

 

Cheers

                Chris 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Peter Beasley
Sent: 11 May 2022 10:11
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctuation

 

I just do not want exclamation spoken when reading an e-mail or document. I have tried setting it to all, most, some and none but none of them seem to work. This has only started happening relatively recently.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 10 May 2022 17:55
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctuation

 

How do you mean. Are you reading by character? If so you will not get rid of the exclaim at all as it will by default speak. You never said what you wanted to do, ever. Make this clear and we can help you otherwise we are beating a dead horse here.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Beasley
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2022 3:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctuation

 

I have tried all of the settings for punctuation but still can’t get rid of exclamation. from Mail for Windows

 

From: Steve Nutt
Sent: 10 May 2022 08:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctuation

 

Also, don’t forget you can change the level at which punctuation is spoken, specifically the exclamation and apostrophes.

 

Check out the punctuation settings in NVDA.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 05 May 2022 16:36
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctuationp

 

What happens if you use E-Speak?

Gene

On 5/5/2022 10:31 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:

I am using Windows one core voice George and don’t have another screenreader.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Gene
Sent: 05 May 2022 16:27
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctuationp

 

I don't recall if these two suggestions were made.  Have you tried using a portable version?  Also, have you tried another screen-reader using the same synthesizer? 

Gene

On 5/5/2022 10:20 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:

I have tried everything but am unable to stop NVDA form announcing exclamation and apostrophe.

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Punctuation

Peter Beasley
 

I just do not want exclamation spoken when reading an e-mail or document. I have tried setting it to all, most, some and none but none of them seem to work. This has only started happening relatively recently.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 10 May 2022 17:55
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctuation

 

How do you mean. Are you reading by character? If so you will not get rid of the exclaim at all as it will by default speak. You never said what you wanted to do, ever. Make this clear and we can help you otherwise we are beating a dead horse here.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Beasley
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2022 3:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctuation

 

I have tried all of the settings for punctuation but still can’t get rid of exclamation. from Mail for Windows

 

From: Steve Nutt
Sent: 10 May 2022 08:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctuation

 

Also, don’t forget you can change the level at which punctuation is spoken, specifically the exclamation and apostrophes.

 

Check out the punctuation settings in NVDA.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 05 May 2022 16:36
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctuationp

 

What happens if you use E-Speak?

Gene

On 5/5/2022 10:31 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:

I am using Windows one core voice George and don’t have another screenreader.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Gene
Sent: 05 May 2022 16:27
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctuationp

 

I don't recall if these two suggestions were made.  Have you tried using a portable version?  Also, have you tried another screen-reader using the same synthesizer? 

Gene

On 5/5/2022 10:20 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:

I have tried everything but am unable to stop NVDA form announcing exclamation and apostrophe.

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Visual studio lagging

Cyrille
 

Hello
I have opened an issue on GitHub to have it documented: #13685

Cheers,

Cyrille


On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 04:55 PM, Jackie wrote:
Cyrille, w/all due respect--& I mean that sincerely--it is *always*
best to restart after making changes to something. Sometimes that
means the screen reader, sometimes it means the whole system. But
there are many things so embedded in the system that they simply
cannot be changed without a restart, & it really is 1 of the very
basic troubleshooting steps used to ensure that a change has indeed
taken effect.

I'm not saying putting it in the manual isn't beneficial, but again,
this really is 1 of those basics that everyone kind of laughs
about--ie, how many times did tech support tell you to restart your
computer? but it is something that can be of immense importance. I've
been doing tech support of various flavors for 30 years now
(gosh--really? yikes time flies!), & it still amazes me at times just
how much that 1 small step can accomplish.

On 5/10/22, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
Hi,

I see. I think, at minimum, we can do something about editing the user guide
to mention this fact (or at least add a text in these settings labels to
note the requireemnt to restart after changing settings, similar to language
option in general settings). I advise raising an issue on GitHub so folks
can document others requiring a restart for changes to take effect (and I
think it would be great if we can mark it as good for new developers).

Cheers,

Joseph






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Re: NVDA addon The direct link

mr Krit Kumar kedia
 

Thank you all.

Best,



On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 10:49 PM Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:
Hi Group,

While I guess this add on serves the purpose for some who don't want to fiddle with editing addresses in the address bar, you can do this manually with dropbox links by changing the very last character of the address from the number 0 to the number 1.  I am not sure how it works for Google or phone numbers, but it is probably similar--change an element of the address.


On 5/10/2022 11:07 AM, Fawaz Abdul rahman wrote:
Hi,
if you've ever tried a dropbox link for instance,  when you open the link, it'll take you to a page where you have to click on the download button to download the file.
similarly for other services.
The addon will convert these links to a direct link, where the download starts directly.
best regards

On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 5:12 PM mr Krit Kumar kedia <kritparagkedia@...> wrote:
Hello all members,
Here, I have a question regarding the direct link addon of the NVDA which can be 
 foundhere
so kindly tell me about this addon as I am not able to understand from the text provided on the above link.

Best,
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Re: Excel and sort data

Quentin Christensen
 

Thanks for that, the issue looks good.


On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 10:48 AM William <xsuper.sillyx@...> wrote:

Hi quentin,

I have created an issue, https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/13682


Quentin Christensen 於 11/5/2022 06:21 寫道:
I can replicate the first part - although just to confirm, the data itself is still read, it's just that you get the extra unnecessary list box list item information as well, correct?

For the next part, step 7, I couldn't replicate that, but maybe I was doing it slightly differently.

Would you be able to write it up at https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues please?

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 10:03 PM William <xsuper.sillyx@...> wrote:
Hello,


1. Open any excel file

2. filled the worksheet with some data with the first row as the header

3. select all existing data by ctrl +a

4. go to data tab, press sort button

5. tab to any of the dropdown menu

6. press up or down arrow, everytime when I press up or down arrow, nvda
will say list box  list xxxx

7. after I have selected one of the item and press tab, nvda will repeat
the name of the current worksheet and says excel unavailable, followed
by the next item.


Would you please comment on whether this is a nvda or excel problem? Thanks.

William












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Re: Excel and sort data

William
 

Hi quentin,

I have created an issue, https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/13682


Quentin Christensen 於 11/5/2022 06:21 寫道:

I can replicate the first part - although just to confirm, the data itself is still read, it's just that you get the extra unnecessary list box list item information as well, correct?

For the next part, step 7, I couldn't replicate that, but maybe I was doing it slightly differently.

Would you be able to write it up at https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues please?

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 10:03 PM William <xsuper.sillyx@...> wrote:
Hello,


1. Open any excel file

2. filled the worksheet with some data with the first row as the header

3. select all existing data by ctrl +a

4. go to data tab, press sort button

5. tab to any of the dropdown menu

6. press up or down arrow, everytime when I press up or down arrow, nvda
will say list box  list xxxx

7. after I have selected one of the item and press tab, nvda will repeat
the name of the current worksheet and says excel unavailable, followed
by the next item.


Would you please comment on whether this is a nvda or excel problem? Thanks.

William












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Training and Support Manager


Re: Excel and sort data

William
 

>I can replicate the first part - although just to confirm, the data itself is still read, it's just that you get the extra unnecessary list box list item information as well, correct?
Correct.


> For the next part, step 7, I couldn't replicate that, but maybe I was doing it slightly differently.
Hmm, interesting.



Quentin Christensen 於 11/5/2022 06:21 寫道:

I can replicate the first part - although just to confirm, the data itself is still read, it's just that you get the extra unnecessary list box list item information as well, correct?

For the next part, step 7, I couldn't replicate that, but maybe I was doing it slightly differently.

Would you be able to write it up at https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues please?

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 10:03 PM William <xsuper.sillyx@...> wrote:
Hello,


1. Open any excel file

2. filled the worksheet with some data with the first row as the header

3. select all existing data by ctrl +a

4. go to data tab, press sort button

5. tab to any of the dropdown menu

6. press up or down arrow, everytime when I press up or down arrow, nvda
will say list box  list xxxx

7. after I have selected one of the item and press tab, nvda will repeat
the name of the current worksheet and says excel unavailable, followed
by the next item.


Would you please comment on whether this is a nvda or excel problem? Thanks.

William












--
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Training and Support Manager


Re: Visual studio lagging

Jackie
 

Cyrille, w/all due respect--& I mean that sincerely--it is *always*
best to restart after making changes to something. Sometimes that
means the screen reader, sometimes it means the whole system. But
there are many things so embedded in the system that they simply
cannot be changed without a restart, & it really is 1 of the very
basic troubleshooting steps used to ensure that a change has indeed
taken effect.

I'm not saying putting it in the manual isn't beneficial, but again,
this really is 1 of those basics that everyone kind of laughs
about--ie, how many times did tech support tell you to restart your
computer? but it is something that can be of immense importance. I've
been doing tech support of various flavors for 30 years now
(gosh--really? yikes time flies!), & it still amazes me at times just
how much that 1 small step can accomplish.

On 5/10/22, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
Hi,

I see. I think, at minimum, we can do something about editing the user guide
to mention this fact (or at least add a text in these settings labels to
note the requireemnt to restart after changing settings, similar to language
option in general settings). I advise raising an issue on GitHub so folks
can document others requiring a restart for changes to take effect (and I
think it would be great if we can mark it as good for new developers).

Cheers,

Joseph





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Re: suggestion for NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

There's also no reason news services and streaming radio services can't already be accessible, and some certainly are.  The other issue would be that news services aren't one thing - there are news services in pretty much every country on earth, and then you can break it down to every state or province, and often each city.  The same for radio.  And they will each use different platforms, or sometimes their own.  In this case, I feel it would be worth any interested user researching what options are available from providers which are either local or which serve their interest.  And if the only option which meets what you want is not accessible, approach them directly to raise those concerns.  Fixing that would almost certainly be something a web accessibility consultant could help with (The web is so complex and ever changing that NV Access don't generally get directly involved individually with a company's site code).

Which news services and which online radio services work best might be a good topic for the chat group!

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 2:53 AM Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

I don’t think this should be in the core IMHO but if you really want it, submit it via github, or if you know how to code, code it and submit it to the developer team for review.  What use case  would you provide to justify this, examples, etc.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of aidan gamble
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2022 12:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] suggestion for NVDA
Importance: High

 

Good day to everyone

A suggestion to be hopefully taken up by developers

 

Cause we have an addon or something developed in invda to allow us to access news services or online streaming radio services

Regards

Aidan



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