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Re: NVDA 2022.1 release candidate is now available

Luke Davis
 

Alexandre Alves Toco wrote:

So, how do I manage to get the log that nvda wrote just before it crashed?
It will be in %temp%\nvda-old.log, just like the log of the currently running NVDA is in %temp%\nvda.log.

Luke


Re: NVDA and reporting of spelling error

Luke Davis
 

When you're reading to hear the content, or reading for pleasure, do you really want to be hearing spelling errors?

I don't. I would rather hear them only when reading by word or line, because it is then that I am editing and not just reading.

I suspect something like that--the difference between reading for content and reading for editing--is why it works this way.

Luke


Re: NVDA 2022.1 release candidate is now available

Alexandre Alves Toco
 

I will do this.

But, if nvda crashes and restart, it also clean the log, I guess.

So, how do I manage to get the log that nvda wrote just before it crashed?


Em 12/05/2022 21:49, sean@... escreveu:

Please open a bug report as soon as possible.
Regards,
Sean Budd
NV Access Software Developer


Re: NVDA and reporting of spelling error

Rui Fontes
 

In the user guide...


NVDA+Space puts NVDA in browse mode...

In browse mode you can press w to move from error to error...


Rui Fontes


Às 02:31 de 13/05/2022, Sarah k Alawami escreveu:

I actually did not know this, where is this documented?

 

Take care to all.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of William
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2022 5:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and reporting of spelling error

 

> Did you know you can navigate between misspelled words by pressing NVDA plus Space, then W? When you find a misspelled word, press your applications key or Shift plus F10 to open the context menu, in order to correct the word. If you want to correct the word manually, you'll need to press NVDA plus Space again. I hope this is helpful.

 

Correct, but in reality, I cannot do any correction without first reading the whole sentence, cause sometimes the spelling errors suggested by word is not correct.

 

 

 

Abbie Taylor 13/5/2022 06:47 寫道:

I'm noticing the same thing. So, I'm assuming it's normal.

Did you know you can navigate between misspelled words by pressing NVDA plus Space, then W? When you find a misspelled word, press your applications key or Shift plus F10 to open the context menu, in order to correct the word. If you want to correct the word manually, you'll need to press NVDA plus Space again. I hope this is helpful.


Re: NVDA and reporting of spelling error

Sarah k Alawami
 

I actually did not know this, where is this documented?

 

Take care to all.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of William
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2022 5:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and reporting of spelling error

 

> Did you know you can navigate between misspelled words by pressing NVDA plus Space, then W? When you find a misspelled word, press your applications key or Shift plus F10 to open the context menu, in order to correct the word. If you want to correct the word manually, you'll need to press NVDA plus Space again. I hope this is helpful.

 

Correct, but in reality, I cannot do any correction without first reading the whole sentence, cause sometimes the spelling errors suggested by word is not correct.

 

 

 

Abbie Taylor 13/5/2022 06:47 寫道:

I'm noticing the same thing. So, I'm assuming it's normal.

Did you know you can navigate between misspelled words by pressing NVDA plus Space, then W? When you find a misspelled word, press your applications key or Shift plus F10 to open the context menu, in order to correct the word. If you want to correct the word manually, you'll need to press NVDA plus Space again. I hope this is helpful.


Re: NVDA and reporting of spelling error

Rui Fontes
 

If you read the user guide, is stated that the announcement of errors is only when we move with the cursor, meaning letter by letter, word by word or line by line...


To read that, go to the configurations panel and in the document format press f1.


Rui Fontes


Às 02:22 de 13/05/2022, Gene escreveu:

I just tested this.  I wrote two paragraphs in word and moved from one to the other using the read paragraph command.  No word that is misspelled is identified during read by paragraph. 

I haven't tested with other screen-readers so it can't be assumed that this is an NVDA bug. 

Gene

On 5/12/2022 8:09 PM, Gene wrote:
I've never tried reading by paragraph while in a program where spelling errors are flagged. 

Gene
On 5/12/2022 8:05 PM, William wrote:

Hi Gene,

But do you confirm that nvda not reading the spelling errors by pressing ctrl and up or down arrows is an intended feature of nvda?


Gene 於 13/5/2022 08:25 寫道:
I don't know if anyone is reading this thread who doesn't know what is being discussed.  I'll briefly explain it.

In Word, NVDA space places you in browse mode.  W moves you to the next misspelled word.  You can hear the word in context by reading the current line. 

When you are finished in browse mode, NVDA space turns browse mode off and you can work directly with the document, such as edit it, just as before.

Gene.

On 5/12/2022 7:10 PM, William wrote:

> Did you know you can navigate between misspelled words by pressing NVDA plus Space, then W? When you find a misspelled word, press your applications key or Shift plus F10 to open the context menu, in order to correct the word. If you want to correct the word manually, you'll need to press NVDA plus Space again. I hope this is helpful.


Correct, but in reality, I cannot do any correction without first reading the whole sentence, cause sometimes the spelling errors suggested by word is not correct.



Abbie Taylor 於 13/5/2022 06:47 寫道:
I'm noticing the same thing. So, I'm assuming it's normal.

Did you know you can navigate between misspelled words by pressing NVDA plus Space, then W? When you find a misspelled word, press your applications key or Shift plus F10 to open the context menu, in order to correct the word. If you want to correct the word manually, you'll need to press NVDA plus Space again. I hope this is helpful.




Re: NVDA and reporting of spelling error

Gene
 

I just tested this.  I wrote two paragraphs in word and moved from one to the other using the read paragraph command.  No word that is misspelled is identified during read by paragraph. 

I haven't tested with other screen-readers so it can't be assumed that this is an NVDA bug. 

Gene

On 5/12/2022 8:09 PM, Gene wrote:
I've never tried reading by paragraph while in a program where spelling errors are flagged. 

Gene
On 5/12/2022 8:05 PM, William wrote:

Hi Gene,

But do you confirm that nvda not reading the spelling errors by pressing ctrl and up or down arrows is an intended feature of nvda?


Gene 於 13/5/2022 08:25 寫道:
I don't know if anyone is reading this thread who doesn't know what is being discussed.  I'll briefly explain it.

In Word, NVDA space places you in browse mode.  W moves you to the next misspelled word.  You can hear the word in context by reading the current line. 

When you are finished in browse mode, NVDA space turns browse mode off and you can work directly with the document, such as edit it, just as before.

Gene.

On 5/12/2022 7:10 PM, William wrote:

> Did you know you can navigate between misspelled words by pressing NVDA plus Space, then W? When you find a misspelled word, press your applications key or Shift plus F10 to open the context menu, in order to correct the word. If you want to correct the word manually, you'll need to press NVDA plus Space again. I hope this is helpful.


Correct, but in reality, I cannot do any correction without first reading the whole sentence, cause sometimes the spelling errors suggested by word is not correct.



Abbie Taylor 於 13/5/2022 06:47 寫道:
I'm noticing the same thing. So, I'm assuming it's normal.

Did you know you can navigate between misspelled words by pressing NVDA plus Space, then W? When you find a misspelled word, press your applications key or Shift plus F10 to open the context menu, in order to correct the word. If you want to correct the word manually, you'll need to press NVDA plus Space again. I hope this is helpful.




Re: NVDA and reporting of spelling error

Gene
 

I've never tried reading by paragraph while in a program where spelling errors are flagged. 

Gene

On 5/12/2022 8:05 PM, William wrote:

Hi Gene,

But do you confirm that nvda not reading the spelling errors by pressing ctrl and up or down arrows is an intended feature of nvda?


Gene 於 13/5/2022 08:25 寫道:
I don't know if anyone is reading this thread who doesn't know what is being discussed.  I'll briefly explain it.

In Word, NVDA space places you in browse mode.  W moves you to the next misspelled word.  You can hear the word in context by reading the current line. 

When you are finished in browse mode, NVDA space turns browse mode off and you can work directly with the document, such as edit it, just as before.

Gene.

On 5/12/2022 7:10 PM, William wrote:

> Did you know you can navigate between misspelled words by pressing NVDA plus Space, then W? When you find a misspelled word, press your applications key or Shift plus F10 to open the context menu, in order to correct the word. If you want to correct the word manually, you'll need to press NVDA plus Space again. I hope this is helpful.


Correct, but in reality, I cannot do any correction without first reading the whole sentence, cause sometimes the spelling errors suggested by word is not correct.



Abbie Taylor 於 13/5/2022 06:47 寫道:
I'm noticing the same thing. So, I'm assuming it's normal.

Did you know you can navigate between misspelled words by pressing NVDA plus Space, then W? When you find a misspelled word, press your applications key or Shift plus F10 to open the context menu, in order to correct the word. If you want to correct the word manually, you'll need to press NVDA plus Space again. I hope this is helpful.



Re: NVDA and reporting of spelling error

William
 

Hi Gene,

But do you confirm that nvda not reading the spelling errors by pressing ctrl and up or down arrows is an intended feature of nvda?


Gene 於 13/5/2022 08:25 寫道:

I don't know if anyone is reading this thread who doesn't know what is being discussed.  I'll briefly explain it.

In Word, NVDA space places you in browse mode.  W moves you to the next misspelled word.  You can hear the word in context by reading the current line. 

When you are finished in browse mode, NVDA space turns browse mode off and you can work directly with the document, such as edit it, just as before.

Gene.

On 5/12/2022 7:10 PM, William wrote:

> Did you know you can navigate between misspelled words by pressing NVDA plus Space, then W? When you find a misspelled word, press your applications key or Shift plus F10 to open the context menu, in order to correct the word. If you want to correct the word manually, you'll need to press NVDA plus Space again. I hope this is helpful.


Correct, but in reality, I cannot do any correction without first reading the whole sentence, cause sometimes the spelling errors suggested by word is not correct.



Abbie Taylor 於 13/5/2022 06:47 寫道:
I'm noticing the same thing. So, I'm assuming it's normal.

Did you know you can navigate between misspelled words by pressing NVDA plus Space, then W? When you find a misspelled word, press your applications key or Shift plus F10 to open the context menu, in order to correct the word. If you want to correct the word manually, you'll need to press NVDA plus Space again. I hope this is helpful.


Re: NVDA 2022.1 release candidate is now available

Sean Budd (NV Access)
 

Please open a bug report as soon as possible.
Regards,
Sean Budd
NV Access Software Developer


Re: NVDA and reporting of spelling error

Gene
 

I don't know if anyone is reading this thread who doesn't know what is being discussed.  I'll briefly explain it.

In Word, NVDA space places you in browse mode.  W moves you to the next misspelled word.  You can hear the word in context by reading the current line. 

When you are finished in browse mode, NVDA space turns browse mode off and you can work directly with the document, such as edit it, just as before.

Gene.

On 5/12/2022 7:10 PM, William wrote:

> Did you know you can navigate between misspelled words by pressing NVDA plus Space, then W? When you find a misspelled word, press your applications key or Shift plus F10 to open the context menu, in order to correct the word. If you want to correct the word manually, you'll need to press NVDA plus Space again. I hope this is helpful.


Correct, but in reality, I cannot do any correction without first reading the whole sentence, cause sometimes the spelling errors suggested by word is not correct.



Abbie Taylor 於 13/5/2022 06:47 寫道:
I'm noticing the same thing. So, I'm assuming it's normal.

Did you know you can navigate between misspelled words by pressing NVDA plus Space, then W? When you find a misspelled word, press your applications key or Shift plus F10 to open the context menu, in order to correct the word. If you want to correct the word manually, you'll need to press NVDA plus Space again. I hope this is helpful.


Re: NVDA and reporting of spelling error

William
 

> Did you know you can navigate between misspelled words by pressing NVDA plus Space, then W? When you find a misspelled word, press your applications key or Shift plus F10 to open the context menu, in order to correct the word. If you want to correct the word manually, you'll need to press NVDA plus Space again. I hope this is helpful.


Correct, but in reality, I cannot do any correction without first reading the whole sentence, cause sometimes the spelling errors suggested by word is not correct.



Abbie Taylor 於 13/5/2022 06:47 寫道:

I'm noticing the same thing. So, I'm assuming it's normal.

Did you know you can navigate between misspelled words by pressing NVDA plus Space, then W? When you find a misspelled word, press your applications key or Shift plus F10 to open the context menu, in order to correct the word. If you want to correct the word manually, you'll need to press NVDA plus Space again. I hope this is helpful.


Re: NVDA 2022.1 release candidate is now available

 

On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 01:23 PM, Alexandre Alves Toco wrote:
Do I need to open a bug or this kind of situation is send to nvaccess developers automatically?
-
It always makes sense to open a bug report because you will be expected to provide details about what you were doing at the time that NVDA crashed.  I'd also advice turning logging level up to debug temporarily so that as you are asked for copies of the NVDA log, which will almost certainly be requested, that they will contain the maximum amount of information possible for those doing the actual debugging to examine.

It also doesn't hurt to create a post noting the issue you've created and the reason(s) why, so that if someone else happens to be encountering the same, or very similar, issues they know that an issue they can comment on already exists. 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

You can't crush ideas by suppressing them. You can only crush them by ignoring them.
     ~ Ursula LeGuin, The Dispossessed


Re: Questions About Vocalizer for NVDA

Rui Fontes
 

The driver for the old Vocalizer is already updated on the web page...


The direct link is:

https://www.tiflotecnia.net/Instal/vocalizer-driver_2.1.3.nvda-addon


Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.



Às 23:41 de 12/05/2022, David Mehler escreveu:

Hello,

Also with regards Vocalizer will the 2.1 nvda.addon be updated for
2022.1 compatibility?

Thanks.
DAve.


On 5/12/22, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:
Hello!


I'm a bit of a suspect, since I'm from Tiflotecnia...


But, let's see:

* Which, if any, support automatic language switching? Using the
CodeFactory bundle 1.1 with NVDA 2021.3.5, neither Eloquence nor
Vocalizer seemed to be able to auto-switch despite that option being
enabled in Voice Settings.
Our Vocalizer works very good in that feature...

And, for people using no latin characters, like chinese, japonese,
cyrilic, hebrew or arabic, even on apps not informing the screen reader
to change language, our Vocalizer changes automatically based on the
type of characters...



* Which tends to be updated for compatibility with new NVDA releases
most promptly?
Ours. We have already the new driver to publish it today or tomorrow...



* What are other differences that should be accounted for in one's
decision?
Our technical support is better andfaster...


Rui Fontes

Tiflotecnia, Lda.









Re: windows 7 and NVDA, what is the last version I can run.

Penny Golden <pengold2@...>
 

Thank you to you all.  I will be using the punctuation toggle when I'm needing it 

And upgrading the program when I can.
As to the new computer, I'd like to purchase a new one with win 11 in it.
That's what we keep working for, right?  to be able to afford our toys.
This next is way off-topic, but it's short and sweet.  I suppose some of you have non-24; i do; off to take an afternoon nap.
We finish our 31st year of teaching on May 27. I can hardly keep the eyes open.
Best, pen. thanks for all the good info.
The moke's on me this time. I was going to try to turn on punctuation, but I'm back in win-eyes so I could do that informal proof reading.  so first it said jaws key; the undefined key; then It wouldn't let me out.
I'd better get that nap. sorry for the book-length message. just delete it. but not without noting the thanks to you all for your kindnesses.
Penny
 
 

On 5/12/2022 1:52 PM, Carlos Medrano wrote:

Hi Penny,


It's been a while since I've used a machine running Windows 7, but I've never heard of there being a version cutoff for that OS. I could be wrong though. According to the download page, they have a cutoff version for Windows XP and Vista.


For changing the punctuation level, NVDA+P should toggle between all 4 levels of verbosity.


Hope this helps.


- Carlos


On 5/12/2022 11:30 AM, Penny Golden wrote:

Hi.  I'm using windows 7; yes, eventually i'll go to a win 11 computer.

but not for a bit.  How can I know what is the last version of NVDA that windows-7 will work with?


Can I ask a second question?  Is there a toggle to turn on and off the speaking of punctuation symbols?  the hearing of punctuation makes it easy for me to do a lot of proof-reading on the PC, rather than moving it over to the braille device.

It is informal proofing.  for the really tough stuff, I use the braille under the hands.

Best, penny









Re: NVDA and reporting of spelling error

Abbie Taylor
 

I'm noticing the same thing. So, I'm assuming it's normal.

Did you know you can navigate between misspelled words by pressing NVDA plus Space, then W? When you find a misspelled word, press your applications key or Shift plus F10 to open the context menu, in order to correct the word. If you want to correct the word manually, you'll need to press NVDA plus Space again. I hope this is helpful.


Re: Questions About Vocalizer for NVDA

David Mehler
 

Hello,

Also with regards Vocalizer will the 2.1 nvda.addon be updated for
2022.1 compatibility?

Thanks.
DAve.

On 5/12/22, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:
Hello!


I'm a bit of a suspect, since I'm from Tiflotecnia...


But, let's see:

* Which, if any, support automatic language switching? Using the
CodeFactory bundle 1.1 with NVDA 2021.3.5, neither Eloquence nor
Vocalizer seemed to be able to auto-switch despite that option being
enabled in Voice Settings.

Our Vocalizer works very good in that feature...

And, for people using no latin characters, like chinese, japonese,
cyrilic, hebrew or arabic, even on apps not informing the screen reader
to change language, our Vocalizer changes automatically based on the
type of characters...



* Which tends to be updated for compatibility with new NVDA releases
most promptly?

Ours. We have already the new driver to publish it today or tomorrow...



* What are other differences that should be accounted for in one's
decision?

Our technical support is better andfaster...


Rui Fontes

Tiflotecnia, Lda.








Re: windows 7 and NVDA, what is the last version I can run.

Rui Fontes
 

This is teue if Windows 7 have SP1 installed...


Retired from userGuide:

◦ For Windows 7, NVDA requires Service Pack 1 or higher.


Rui Fontes



Às 19:50 de 12/05/2022, Gene escreveu:

NVDA supports Windows 7 in its current version.  One of the developers on the list says we will be notified when support will be dropped.

Regarding punctuation, the command NVDA key p cycles through all punctuation levels from none to all.  It cycles through them as many times as you use the command.

Regarding which NVDA key you want to use, here is something that wasn't discussed yet. 

You can use the caps lock as an NVDA key regardless of whether you are using the desktop or the laptop keyboard layout.  It is a separate setting.  I often want to use the caps lock key when using the desktop layout.  I find it far more convenient to use caps lock down arrow rather than either insert down arrow.

The same for the punctuation command.  I would much rather use caps lock p than insert p.
To have the caps lock key work as an NVDA key, do the following:
Open the keyboard settings dialog with control NVDA k. 
Tab to a check box about using the caps lock and check it with the space bar.
Press enter.
The dialog closes and the setting has been changed.
Now you can use whichever insert you want or caps lock.  You aren't turning insert off, you are just turning caps lock on.

Gene

On 5/12/2022 1:30 PM, Penny Golden wrote:

Hi.  I'm using windows 7; yes, eventually i'll go to a win 11 computer.

but not for a bit.  How can I know what is the last version of NVDA that windows-7 will work with?


Can I ask a second question?  Is there a toggle to turn on and off the speaking of punctuation symbols?  the hearing of punctuation makes it easy for me to do a lot of proof-reading on the PC, rather than moving it over to the braille device.

It is informal proofing.  for the really tough stuff, I use the braille under the hands.

Best, penny









Re: windows 7 and NVDA, what is the last version I can run.

Carlos Medrano
 

Hi Penny,


It's been a while since I've used a machine running Windows 7, but I've never heard of there being a version cutoff for that OS. I could be wrong though. According to the download page, they have a cutoff version for Windows XP and Vista.


For changing the punctuation level, NVDA+P should toggle between all 4 levels of verbosity.


Hope this helps.


- Carlos


On 5/12/2022 11:30 AM, Penny Golden wrote:

Hi.  I'm using windows 7; yes, eventually i'll go to a win 11 computer.

but not for a bit.  How can I know what is the last version of NVDA that windows-7 will work with?


Can I ask a second question?  Is there a toggle to turn on and off the speaking of punctuation symbols?  the hearing of punctuation makes it easy for me to do a lot of proof-reading on the PC, rather than moving it over to the braille device.

It is informal proofing.  for the really tough stuff, I use the braille under the hands.

Best, penny








Re: windows 7 and NVDA, what is the last version I can run.

Gene
 

NVDA supports Windows 7 in its current version.  One of the developers on the list says we will be notified when support will be dropped.

Regarding punctuation, the command NVDA key p cycles through all punctuation levels from none to all.  It cycles through them as many times as you use the command.

Regarding which NVDA key you want to use, here is something that wasn't discussed yet. 

You can use the caps lock as an NVDA key regardless of whether you are using the desktop or the laptop keyboard layout.  It is a separate setting.  I often want to use the caps lock key when using the desktop layout.  I find it far more convenient to use caps lock down arrow rather than either insert down arrow.

The same for the punctuation command.  I would much rather use caps lock p than insert p.
To have the caps lock key work as an NVDA key, do the following:
Open the keyboard settings dialog with control NVDA k. 
Tab to a check box about using the caps lock and check it with the space bar.
Press enter.
The dialog closes and the setting has been changed.
Now you can use whichever insert you want or caps lock.  You aren't turning insert off, you are just turning caps lock on.

Gene

On 5/12/2022 1:30 PM, Penny Golden wrote:

Hi.  I'm using windows 7; yes, eventually i'll go to a win 11 computer.

but not for a bit.  How can I know what is the last version of NVDA that windows-7 will work with?


Can I ask a second question?  Is there a toggle to turn on and off the speaking of punctuation symbols?  the hearing of punctuation makes it easy for me to do a lot of proof-reading on the PC, rather than moving it over to the braille device.

It is informal proofing.  for the really tough stuff, I use the braille under the hands.

Best, penny








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