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What Languages Truly Need TTS Voices?

Louder Pages
 

Hello, I hope this is not off topic.

I would ask that people reply directly to me at lp@... rather than flood this thread.

We at Louder Pages are looking to prioritize candidates for new languages for our free. RHVoice collection.

Priority is given to languages which either have no existing TTS voice, or which have a large number of users who have only poor quality voices to choose from.

We are particularly interested in African languages, and in the languages of Southern and South East Asia.

If anyone has good arguments for why a language should be a candidate, would you please email me at lp@...?

Thanks.


Re: NVDA and reporting of spelling error

Janet Brandly
 

Thanks for this. I use Word all the time and had no idea. Sounds like it would be faster than using Word’s spellcheck.

 

Janet

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: May 12, 2022 6:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and reporting of spelling error

 

I don't know if anyone is reading this thread who doesn't know what is being discussed.  I'll briefly explain it.

In Word, NVDA space places you in browse mode.  W moves you to the next misspelled word.  You can hear the word in context by reading the current line. 

When you are finished in browse mode, NVDA space turns browse mode off and you can work directly with the document, such as edit it, just as before.

Gene.

On 5/12/2022 7:10 PM, William wrote:

> Did you know you can navigate between misspelled words by pressing NVDA plus Space, then W? When you find a misspelled word, press your applications key or Shift plus F10 to open the context menu, in order to correct the word. If you want to correct the word manually, you'll need to press NVDA plus Space again. I hope this is helpful.

 

Correct, but in reality, I cannot do any correction without first reading the whole sentence, cause sometimes the spelling errors suggested by word is not correct.

 

 

 

Abbie Taylor 13/5/2022 06:47 寫道:

I'm noticing the same thing. So, I'm assuming it's normal.

Did you know you can navigate between misspelled words by pressing NVDA plus Space, then W? When you find a misspelled word, press your applications key or Shift plus F10 to open the context menu, in order to correct the word. If you want to correct the word manually, you'll need to press NVDA plus Space again. I hope this is helpful.

 


Re: mouse hover

Gene
 

I didn't say anything beyond Internet pages.  I amnot saying that hovering the mouse isn't important or useful in any programs. 

Gene

On 5/13/2022 10:42 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
Hi,

I also disagree with Jean on this one, Quickbooks makes some use of Mouse Overs, and JAWS works well with it.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis
Sent: 08 May 2022 07:27
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] mouse hover

Gene wrote:

My guess is that if mouse over links did anything other than be 
marginally useful, that is, show necessary information more than very 
rarely, NVDA would have incorporated a mouse over function.  JAWS has one, Window-eyes didn't.  I think if it were considered at all important, more than just one screen[-reader would have it.
Gene, I must disagree with you.

I have been in several situations where a website's functions were completely unusable without mouseover capability, or some way to simulate it. I present, again, GetResponse as one example.

Now, that bad design is not NVDA's fault, but I think that the real reason here is that it is simply very difficult to do given the way NVDA presents information.

Apparently, in Jaws, it is not unusual to hear that new options have appeared on line such-and-such of the virtual buffer. But users jumping to specific lines, is not an NVDA paradigm.

So the question becomes: if new options do appear, how should NVDA get you to them, or tell you about them?

I suspect if there was a reasonable answer to that, more progress might be made on mouseover support.

Luke














Re: mouse hover

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

I also disagree with Jean on this one, Quickbooks makes some use of Mouse Overs, and JAWS works well with it.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis
Sent: 08 May 2022 07:27
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] mouse hover

Gene wrote:

My guess is that if mouse over links did anything other than be
marginally useful, that is, show necessary information more than very
rarely, NVDA would have incorporated a mouse over function. JAWS has one, Window-eyes didn't. I think if it were considered at all important, more than just one screen[-reader would have it.
Gene, I must disagree with you.

I have been in several situations where a website's functions were completely unusable without mouseover capability, or some way to simulate it. I present, again, GetResponse as one example.

Now, that bad design is not NVDA's fault, but I think that the real reason here is that it is simply very difficult to do given the way NVDA presents information.

Apparently, in Jaws, it is not unusual to hear that new options have appeared on line such-and-such of the virtual buffer. But users jumping to specific lines, is not an NVDA paradigm.

So the question becomes: if new options do appear, how should NVDA get you to them, or tell you about them?

I suspect if there was a reasonable answer to that, more progress might be made on mouseover support.

Luke


Re: OnlyOffice - Collaborative webeditor

Francis Zinke
 

Yeah, Office 365. But there is the same problem dataprivacy and restrictions for the use cause of laws in some european regions. Any ideas, or informations for collabora?


Re: Punctuation

Steve Nutt
 

I’ve often wondered why NVDA calls the apostrophe a tick?

 

I guess the same reason that it calls an exclamation mark a bang, but it’s curious wording for the apostrophe.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: 05 May 2022 23:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctuationp

 

When are they being read?

 

If I write:

Don't!

 

And up arrow onto that line, NVDA will read simply the word "don't", without articulating either the apostrophe or exclamation mark.

 

That happens with punctuation level set to none, some or most.  If I have punctuation level set to all then NVDA reads "don tick t bang".

 

If I right arrow through the word, then NVDA will always read "d o n tick t bang" regardless of the punctuation level

 

Given you worded them "apostrphe" and "exclamation" have you edited the "punctuation / symbol pronunciation" or dictionary?

 

In the punctuation / symbol pronunciation dialog, there are two entries for each.  Press the exclamation ! to jump to each of its entries.  Press apostrophe ' to jump to it's entry used when it is on its own.  The in-word apostrophe is three above the other one.  All four are set to symbol level "all" by default.

 

On Fri, May 6, 2022 at 1:20 AM Peter Beasley <pjbeasley23@...> wrote:

I have tried everything but am unable to stop NVDA form announcing exclamation and apostrophe.

Sent from Mail for Windows

 


 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 


Re: windows 7 and NVDA, what is the last version I can run.

Penny Golden <pengold2@...>
 

Perfectly logical, and I cannot thank you all enough for your good help to the likes of me. I actually think my capslock is already set to be used as an NVDA key. i'm in win-eyes this morning, though.  But I'll be closing it out and going for the NVDA.  

Warmest regards,

Penny



On 5/12/2022 1:50 PM, Gene wrote:
NVDA supports Windows 7 in its current version.  One of the developers on the list says we will be notified when support will be dropped.

Regarding punctuation, the command NVDA key p cycles through all punctuation levels from none to all.  It cycles through them as many times as you use the command.

Regarding which NVDA key you want to use, here is something that wasn't discussed yet. 

You can use the caps lock as an NVDA key regardless of whether you are using the desktop or the laptop keyboard layout.  It is a separate setting.  I often want to use the caps lock key when using the desktop layout.  I find it far more convenient to use caps lock down arrow rather than either insert down arrow.

The same for the punctuation command.  I would much rather use caps lock p than insert p.
To have the caps lock key work as an NVDA key, do the following:
Open the keyboard settings dialog with control NVDA k. 
Tab to a check box about using the caps lock and check it with the space bar.
Press enter.
The dialog closes and the setting has been changed.
Now you can use whichever insert you want or caps lock.  You aren't turning insert off, you are just turning caps lock on.

Gene

On 5/12/2022 1:30 PM, Penny Golden wrote:

Hi.  I'm using windows 7; yes, eventually i'll go to a win 11 computer.

but not for a bit.  How can I know what is the last version of NVDA that windows-7 will work with?


Can I ask a second question?  Is there a toggle to turn on and off the speaking of punctuation symbols?  the hearing of punctuation makes it easy for me to do a lot of proof-reading on the PC, rather than moving it over to the braille device.

It is informal proofing.  for the really tough stuff, I use the braille under the hands.

Best, penny










Re: 2022 RC, Outlook 2019 and NVDA-Search

Gene
 

It sounds to me, as I recall one of the messages, as though the setting to automatically turn browse mode on is not checked.  This means that when a web page loads or an e-mail opens, you are not automatically placed in Browse Mode, as you should be by default.
Check the following setting:
Open the Browse mode dialog, control NVDA b.
Tab to a check box that says Enable browse mode on page load.
If it isn't checked, check it with the space bar.
Then press enter. 
See if the problem is solved.

Gene

On 5/13/2022 5:54 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Have you restarted the PC since updating to the RC?  Sometimes odd things happen in-between updating NVDA (or other software) and restarting.

On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 3:46 PM Yeti <jbslists@...> wrote:
Hi Gene and All,

> Did the command work before you reassigned it?


I assigned the additional CTRL+F months or years ago and it worked fine for me over many NVDA-Updates all the time.

Per Aspera

Yeti








--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager



Re: 2022 RC, Outlook 2019 and NVDA-Search

Quentin Christensen
 

Have you restarted the PC since updating to the RC?  Sometimes odd things happen in-between updating NVDA (or other software) and restarting.


On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 3:46 PM Yeti <jbslists@...> wrote:
Hi Gene and All,

> Did the command work before you reassigned it?


I assigned the additional CTRL+F months or years ago and it worked fine for me over many NVDA-Updates all the time.

Per Aspera

Yeti








--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: NVDA 2022.1 release candidate is now available

 

Hi,

A crash dump is generated if NVDA is told to generate it when it crashes (that's one way).

Based on the log attached to the GitHub issue, sounds like there is a miscommunication between a speech synthesizer driver and wxPython regarding app readiness. In other words, NVDA crashes because it or one of its components tried to do work that required presence of a specific data in memory.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: NVDA 2022.1 release candidate is now available

Alexandre Alves Toco
 

I just opened the bug and the link is:

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/13694#issue-1235034524


But there is no dump file.


Em 12/05/2022 23:33, sean@... escreveu:


Re: 2022 RC, Outlook 2019 and NVDA-Search

Yeti
 

Hello Luke and All,

That is the behavior you would get if you were in focus
mode,
not in browse mode. Are you sure you are
in browse mode?
Well, I think, this is an end where we can pull.
- I write this mail.
- Press CTRL+F
- the standard behavior of outlook happens
- I press NVDA+space, NVDA goes to browse mode
- making that sure by pressing "h", NVDA sais: no further
headline
- Press CTRL+F: NVDA search opens.
This is, what you expect to happen. Isn't it?

I can understand this somehow to be correct.

Anyway:
It was different with NVDA 21.3.x and earlier on all my
systems.
There NVDA search came up in focus mode by pressing CTRL+F
as well.

But if the behavior you describe is the right one, I will be
used to it in some days or weeks.

But, Hmhm - Isn't there a way to bring up NVDA search even
in focus mode?

Ad Astra

Yeti


Re: 2022 RC, Outlook 2019 and NVDA-Search

Luke Davis
 

Yeti wrote:

CTRL+F forwards the mail or opens the search and replace dialog of outlook (depending of reading or writing), as desired without NVDA
That is the behavior you would get if you were in focus mode, not in browse mode. Are you sure you are in browse mode?

Luke
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool." - Richard P. Feynman


how to fill out a PDF with NVDA

Bob Cavanaugh
 

Hi all,
Well, what do you know, I actually have a fillable PDF that I'm having
problems with. At least it's a fillable file, unlike most, where they
aren't even able to be filled even when they're asking for
information. Well, that's beside the point, the question is how do I
actually fill these out using Adobe Reader with NVDA? NVDA sees that
an edit box exists, but I can't tab between edit boxes like you would
on a webpage, and when I try to type into the edit box, even in focus
mode, nothing appears to be typed. What do I do?
Bob


Re: 2022 RC, Outlook 2019 and NVDA-Search

Yeti
 

Hi Gene and All,

Did the command work before you reassigned it?

I assigned the additional CTRL+F months or years ago and it worked fine for me over many NVDA-Updates all the time.

Per Aspera

Yeti


Re: 2022 RC, Outlook 2019 and NVDA-Search

Yeti
 

HI Luke and All,

Can you tell more about what you mean by it doesn't work?
What does it do or not do?
CTRL+F forwards the mail or opens the search and replace dialog of outlook (depending of reading or writing), as desired without NVDA

What does NVDA input help (NVDA+1) say about the key command?
Nothing but the pressed key.
Btw. This is the same with NVDA+CTRL+F

Have you checked in input gestures, to make sure it is still assigned?
Yes I did.
And I reassigned it in advance.

During reassigning I deleted

CTRL+F.

Doing this the standard assignment key

NVDA+CTRL+F

Disappeared as well.

So maybe there is something wrong with the command itself?

My system is German, so I ask my self, if this can be the result of an error in German localization?

Btw. Many other assigned NVDA hotkeys - such as NVDA
+1 or NVDA+n still work as usual 🙍‍♂️💦
1
Any other questions or ideas?

Per Aspera

Yeti


Re: 2022 RC, Outlook 2019 and NVDA-Search

Gene
 

Did the command work before you reassigned it?

Gene

On 5/12/2022 11:14 PM, Yeti wrote:
Additional info:
This is not a matter of the shortcut

CTRL+F

It does not work with the default key

NVDA+CTRL+F

as well

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag
von Yeti
Gesendet: Freitag, 13. Mai 2022 06:07
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] 2022 RC, Outlook 2019 and NVDA-Search

Hello Listers,

I've installed the 2022.1 RC yesterday and most Things work
fine.
But one thing is sad:

I assigned the Key

CTRL+F to the Command NVDA-Search

because I find this often more helpful, than the "normal"
search of many applications.

This Command with this hotkey works fine in FF and Notepad,
but not anymore in an open Mail in Outlook. Not in plane
text and not in HTML mails.
This was different in the last 2021.x

Thanks in advance

Yeti

System:
- Windows: Version10.0.19043 Build 19043
- Outlook 2019 2204 Build 16.0.15128.20210) 64 Bit













Re: 2022 RC, Outlook 2019 and NVDA-Search

Luke Davis
 

Yeti wrote:

I assigned the Key CTRL+F to the Command NVDA-Search [.]
This Command with this hotkey works fine in FF and Notepad, but not anymore in an open Mail in Outlook.
I do the same thing, and this is still working fine for me in Outlook 2019.

Can you tell more about what you mean by it doesn't work?

What does it do or not do?

What does NVDA input help (NVDA+1) say about the key command?

Have you checked in input gestures, to make sure it is still assigned?

--
Luke
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool." - Richard P. Feynman


Re: 2022 RC, Outlook 2019 and NVDA-Search

Yeti
 

Additional info:
This is not a matter of the shortcut

CTRL+F

It does not work with the default key

NVDA+CTRL+F

as well

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag
von Yeti
Gesendet: Freitag, 13. Mai 2022 06:07
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] 2022 RC, Outlook 2019 and NVDA-Search

Hello Listers,

I've installed the 2022.1 RC yesterday and most Things work
fine.
But one thing is sad:

I assigned the Key

CTRL+F to the Command NVDA-Search

because I find this often more helpful, than the "normal"
search of many applications.

This Command with this hotkey works fine in FF and Notepad,
but not anymore in an open Mail in Outlook. Not in plane
text and not in HTML mails.
This was different in the last 2021.x

Thanks in advance

Yeti

System:
- Windows: Version10.0.19043 Build 19043
- Outlook 2019 2204 Build 16.0.15128.20210) 64 Bit


2022 RC, Outlook 2019 and NVDA-Search

Yeti
 

Hello Listers,

I've installed the 2022.1 RC yesterday and most Things work
fine.
But one thing is sad:

I assigned the Key

CTRL+F to the Command NVDA-Search

because I find this often more helpful, than the "normal"
search of many applications.

This Command with this hotkey works fine in FF and Notepad,
but not anymore in an open Mail in Outlook. Not in plane
text and not in HTML mails.
This was different in the last 2021.x

Thanks in advance

Yeti

System:
- Windows: Version10.0.19043 Build 19043
- Outlook 2019 2204 Build 16.0.15128.20210) 64 Bit

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