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Re: Question Regarding Browse setting

Luke Davis
 

Gene wrote:

I just checked.  F1 brings up the user manual.  Shift f1 opens the manual to the part that describes the command you are on when you issue the command. 
That is not the normal experience. Check your keyboard layout against NVDA input help. F1 is supposed to work alone for this, although if your browser remembers where you were last reading in the manual, it may not work so well.

I don't think it is generally known. I don't recall seeing it discussed here before.
Perhaps I shouldn't have recommended it. It is apparently an undocumented feature, and does not work in every possible place within NVDA currently. It does work in most or all of the settings panels though, and is worth trying if you can't remember what something does.

--
Luke
"I have no idea what I'm supposed to do. I only know what I can do." -James T. Kirk


Re: Question Regarding Browse setting

Gene
 

Now that I know that context sensitive help is available, there may be times I refer people to it.  I don't think it is generally known.  I don't recall seeing it discussed here before.

And it will save me time on occasions when I want to look up what a command does.

Gene

On 5/14/2022 4:08 AM, Gene via groups.io wrote:
I just checked.  F1 brings up the user manual.  Shift f1 opens the manual to the part that describes the command you are on when you issue the command. 

I don't know how often shift f1 is used for context `sensitive help these days.  It used to be a long time ago but I haven't seen it discussed for a long time. 

Gene

On 5/14/2022 1:01 AM, Luke Davis wrote:
Gene wrote:

I don't know the significance of the lines per page setting. 

Again, easily determined by pressing F1 while in that field. It configures how many lines a page up/down keypress moves while in browse mode.

I have mine set to 48, since that is the line count on my Linux text consoles, and I am used to its progress characteristics. That said, I rarely use pgup/pgdn on web pages.




Re: Question Regarding Browse setting

Gene
 

I just checked.  F1 brings up the user manual.  Shift f1 opens the manual to the part that describes the command you are on when you issue the command. 

I don't know how often shift f1 is used for context `sensitive help these days.  It used to be a long time ago but I haven't seen it discussed for a long time. 

Gene

On 5/14/2022 1:01 AM, Luke Davis wrote:
Gene wrote:

I don't know the significance of the lines per page setting. 

Again, easily determined by pressing F1 while in that field. It configures how many lines a page up/down keypress moves while in browse mode.

I have mine set to 48, since that is the line count on my Linux text consoles, and I am used to its progress characteristics. That said, I rarely use pgup/pgdn on web pages.



Python pring function with flush=True NVDA not reading the updated messages in Windows PowerShell

William
 

Hello,

This question is partly related to NVDA and partly related to Windows PowerShell.


Supposed I have the following python script and stored in a python file 'test.py', which print out a new string of text after every second.


import time

for i in np.arange(10):

    print('Sleeping', f"{str(round((i-1)/secs*100, 0)).removesuffix('.0')}%", end="\r", flush=True)

    time.sleep(1)

1. I open Windows PowerShell

2. type python test.py

3. the script starts running

I am expecting that NVDA can automatically speak out the new string of text, but in my test, after the first 'Spleeping...' was spoken, NVDA did not speak the updated messages.


What can I do to make NVDA speak the updated messages? Thanks.

William


Re: 2022 RC, Outlook 2019 and NVDA-Search

Gene
 

What behavior was different?  the box should be checked by default.  If the behavior is now the same when the check box is checked, that was the problem. 

Gene

On 5/14/2022 1:30 AM, Yeti wrote:
Hi Gene,

 Tab to a check box that says Enable browse mode on page load.
If it isn't checked, check it with the space bar.
Then press enter.  

This works. 

Never the les, this behavior was different with 2021.x  🤷

Thx 

Yeti 








Re: Questions About Vocalizer for NVDA

Abhishek Raut
 

Hello.
I have seen all the messages, And I would like to suggest you, Don't go for indo nvda and code factory Vocalizer.
I have bought the code factory Vocalizer, and It do not deserve the value which we paid.
I am Using voices for marathi, and, hindi.
These voices are very bad in quality, doesn't matter you install pro, or any quality.
About Indo nvda, it is nothing but code factory Vocalizer.
I don't know the price of indo nvda, but it maybe expensive than code factory.
I have bought code factory for 6000 INR, and maybe indo nvda is more expensive than it.
Also the code factory services too bad.
I did mail them to many times, but the frequency of getting reply is very less.
Other here mention, I don't used that. But I suggest, Take a good trial, then purchase.
Thank you



On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 1:03 PM mr Krit Kumar kedia <kritparagkedia@...> wrote:
Hello,
I heard the messages above, and I think you are finding a good vocaliser to use with NVDA.
I have a  suggestion for you,
try out INDO NVDA!
It is a software almost the NVDA infact mostly NVDA! which offers vocalizer support, and other  alequence voices as well produced by Saksham!
It's  a paid software, but really helpful.

Best,
Thank you,
Krit Kedia 
diving into the world of technology!
+91, India 



On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 9:59 AM Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...> wrote:
Dear Rui,

That sounds great. Is a demo/trial version available? I am reading
your documentation and it says: "... if you want to try out the
product before you buy it, please contact Tiflotecnia, Lda or your
local Vocalizer for NvDA dealer." Please let me know if I should be
reaching out to you or another representative offlist.

Thanks.

On 5/12/22, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:
> The driver for the old Vocalizer is already updated on the web page...
>
>
> The direct link is:
>
> https://www.tiflotecnia.net/Instal/vocalizer-driver_2.1.3.nvda-addon
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rui Fontes
> Tiflotecnia, Lda.
>
>
>
> Às 23:41 de 12/05/2022, David Mehler escreveu:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Also with regards Vocalizer will the 2.1 nvda.addon be updated for
>> 2022.1 compatibility?
>>
>> Thanks.
>> DAve.
>>
>>
>> On 5/12/22, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:
>>> Hello!
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm a bit of a suspect, since I'm from Tiflotecnia...
>>>
>>>
>>> But, let's see:
>>>
>>> * Which, if any, support automatic language switching? Using the
>>>> CodeFactory bundle 1.1 with NVDA 2021.3.5, neither Eloquence nor
>>>> Vocalizer seemed to be able to auto-switch despite that option being
>>>> enabled in Voice Settings.
>>>
>>> Our Vocalizer works very good in that feature...
>>>
>>> And, for people using no latin characters, like chinese, japonese,
>>> cyrilic, hebrew or arabic, even on apps not informing the screen reader
>>> to change language, our Vocalizer changes automatically based on the
>>> type of characters...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> * Which tends to be updated for compatibility with new NVDA releases
>>>> most promptly?
>>>
>>> Ours. We have already the new driver to publish it today or tomorrow...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> * What are other differences that should be accounted for in one's
>>>> decision?
>>>
>>> Our technical support is better andfaster...
>>>
>>>
>>> Rui Fontes
>>>
>>> Tiflotecnia, Lda.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
Kind Regards,
Bhavya Shah
B.S. in Mathematical and Computational Science | Stanford '24
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/







--
Regards, Abhishek Raut


Re: Questions About Vocalizer for NVDA

mr Krit Kumar kedia
 

Hello,
I heard the messages above, and I think you are finding a good vocaliser to use with NVDA.
I have a  suggestion for you,
try out INDO NVDA!
It is a software almost the NVDA infact mostly NVDA! which offers vocalizer support, and other  alequence voices as well produced by Saksham!
It's  a paid software, but really helpful.

Best,
Thank you,
Krit Kedia 
diving into the world of technology!
+91, India 



On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 9:59 AM Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...> wrote:
Dear Rui,

That sounds great. Is a demo/trial version available? I am reading
your documentation and it says: "... if you want to try out the
product before you buy it, please contact Tiflotecnia, Lda or your
local Vocalizer for NvDA dealer." Please let me know if I should be
reaching out to you or another representative offlist.

Thanks.

On 5/12/22, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:
> The driver for the old Vocalizer is already updated on the web page...
>
>
> The direct link is:
>
> https://www.tiflotecnia.net/Instal/vocalizer-driver_2.1.3.nvda-addon
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rui Fontes
> Tiflotecnia, Lda.
>
>
>
> Às 23:41 de 12/05/2022, David Mehler escreveu:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Also with regards Vocalizer will the 2.1 nvda.addon be updated for
>> 2022.1 compatibility?
>>
>> Thanks.
>> DAve.
>>
>>
>> On 5/12/22, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:
>>> Hello!
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm a bit of a suspect, since I'm from Tiflotecnia...
>>>
>>>
>>> But, let's see:
>>>
>>> * Which, if any, support automatic language switching? Using the
>>>> CodeFactory bundle 1.1 with NVDA 2021.3.5, neither Eloquence nor
>>>> Vocalizer seemed to be able to auto-switch despite that option being
>>>> enabled in Voice Settings.
>>>
>>> Our Vocalizer works very good in that feature...
>>>
>>> And, for people using no latin characters, like chinese, japonese,
>>> cyrilic, hebrew or arabic, even on apps not informing the screen reader
>>> to change language, our Vocalizer changes automatically based on the
>>> type of characters...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> * Which tends to be updated for compatibility with new NVDA releases
>>>> most promptly?
>>>
>>> Ours. We have already the new driver to publish it today or tomorrow...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> * What are other differences that should be accounted for in one's
>>>> decision?
>>>
>>> Our technical support is better andfaster...
>>>
>>>
>>> Rui Fontes
>>>
>>> Tiflotecnia, Lda.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
Kind Regards,
Bhavya Shah
B.S. in Mathematical and Computational Science | Stanford '24
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/






Re: 2022 RC, Outlook 2019 and NVDA-Search

Yeti
 

Hi Gene,

Tab to a check box that says Enable browse mode on page load.
If it isn't checked, check it with the space bar.
Then press enter.

This works.

Never the les, this behavior was different with 2021.x 🤷

Thx

Yeti


Re: Question Regarding Browse setting

Luke Davis
 

Gene wrote:

I don't know the significance of the lines per page setting. 
Again, easily determined by pressing F1 while in that field. It configures how many lines a page up/down keypress moves while in browse mode.

I have mine set to 48, since that is the line count on my Linux text consoles, and I am used to its progress characteristics. That said, I rarely use pgup/pgdn on web pages.

--
Luke
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool." - Richard P. Feynman


Re: Question Regarding Browse setting

Luke Davis
 

Marilyn and Don Bilderback wrote:

One of the browse settings asks for the maximum number of characters on one
line.
Another question is how many lines on one page.
What should be the number entered for each?
Whatever you are comfortable with. Have you tried pressing F1 while on either of those fields, to get a better understanding of what they are for?

Luke


Re: Question Regarding Browse setting

Gene
 

I'd only worry about those settings if you are dissatisfied with how you move through a page.  I don't know the significance of the lines per page setting.  When I load a web page, it is fully loaded and that is how I want it. 

If you are looking through text such as an article, shorter lines means that you may find what you are looking for more easily on a shorter line.  There is less to read per line and it may be faster to skim.

Gene

On 5/13/2022 11:50 PM, Marilyn and Don Bilderback wrote:
One of the browse settings asks for the maximum number of characters on one
line. 

Another question is how many lines on one page.

What should be the number entered for each?








Question Regarding Browse setting

Marilyn and Don Bilderback
 

One of the browse settings asks for the maximum number of characters on one
line.

Another question is how many lines on one page.

What should be the number entered for each?


Re: Questions About Vocalizer for NVDA

Bhavya shah
 

Dear Rui,

That sounds great. Is a demo/trial version available? I am reading
your documentation and it says: "... if you want to try out the
product before you buy it, please contact Tiflotecnia, Lda or your
local Vocalizer for NvDA dealer." Please let me know if I should be
reaching out to you or another representative offlist.

Thanks.

On 5/12/22, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:
The driver for the old Vocalizer is already updated on the web page...


The direct link is:

https://www.tiflotecnia.net/Instal/vocalizer-driver_2.1.3.nvda-addon


Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.



Às 23:41 de 12/05/2022, David Mehler escreveu:
Hello,

Also with regards Vocalizer will the 2.1 nvda.addon be updated for
2022.1 compatibility?

Thanks.
DAve.


On 5/12/22, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:
Hello!


I'm a bit of a suspect, since I'm from Tiflotecnia...


But, let's see:

* Which, if any, support automatic language switching? Using the
CodeFactory bundle 1.1 with NVDA 2021.3.5, neither Eloquence nor
Vocalizer seemed to be able to auto-switch despite that option being
enabled in Voice Settings.
Our Vocalizer works very good in that feature...

And, for people using no latin characters, like chinese, japonese,
cyrilic, hebrew or arabic, even on apps not informing the screen reader
to change language, our Vocalizer changes automatically based on the
type of characters...



* Which tends to be updated for compatibility with new NVDA releases
most promptly?
Ours. We have already the new driver to publish it today or tomorrow...



* What are other differences that should be accounted for in one's
decision?
Our technical support is better andfaster...


Rui Fontes

Tiflotecnia, Lda.













--
Kind Regards,
Bhavya Shah
B.S. in Mathematical and Computational Science | Stanford '24
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/


Re: NVDA and reporting of spelling error

Gene
 

I haven't compared the two.  I use word very little.  Browse mode in Word allows you to use all sorts of features you may find useful.  I don't use Word enough to discuss them further. 

I may check to see where the subject is discussed in the user guide.

Gene

On 5/13/2022 12:28 PM, Janet Brandly wrote:

Thanks for this. I use Word all the time and had no idea. Sounds like it would be faster than using Word’s spellcheck.

 

Janet

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: May 12, 2022 6:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and reporting of spelling error

 

I don't know if anyone is reading this thread who doesn't know what is being discussed.  I'll briefly explain it.

In Word, NVDA space places you in browse mode.  W moves you to the next misspelled word.  You can hear the word in context by reading the current line. 

When you are finished in browse mode, NVDA space turns browse mode off and you can work directly with the document, such as edit it, just as before.

Gene.

On 5/12/2022 7:10 PM, William wrote:

> Did you know you can navigate between misspelled words by pressing NVDA plus Space, then W? When you find a misspelled word, press your applications key or Shift plus F10 to open the context menu, in order to correct the word. If you want to correct the word manually, you'll need to press NVDA plus Space again. I hope this is helpful.

 

Correct, but in reality, I cannot do any correction without first reading the whole sentence, cause sometimes the spelling errors suggested by word is not correct.

 

 

 

Abbie Taylor 13/5/2022 06:47 寫道:

I'm noticing the same thing. So, I'm assuming it's normal.

Did you know you can navigate between misspelled words by pressing NVDA plus Space, then W? When you find a misspelled word, press your applications key or Shift plus F10 to open the context menu, in order to correct the word. If you want to correct the word manually, you'll need to press NVDA plus Space again. I hope this is helpful.

 



Re: NVDA and reporting of spelling error

Sarah k Alawami
 

It’s no faster per say. I use the grammar checker though to go over any mistakes I might have made.  It gets the job done.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet Brandly
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2022 10:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and reporting of spelling error

 

Thanks for this. I use Word all the time and had no idea. Sounds like it would be faster than using Word’s spellcheck.

 

Janet

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: May 12, 2022 6:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and reporting of spelling error

 

I don't know if anyone is reading this thread who doesn't know what is being discussed.  I'll briefly explain it.

In Word, NVDA space places you in browse mode.  W moves you to the next misspelled word.  You can hear the word in context by reading the current line. 

When you are finished in browse mode, NVDA space turns browse mode off and you can work directly with the document, such as edit it, just as before.

Gene.

On 5/12/2022 7:10 PM, William wrote:

> Did you know you can navigate between misspelled words by pressing NVDA plus Space, then W? When you find a misspelled word, press your applications key or Shift plus F10 to open the context menu, in order to correct the word. If you want to correct the word manually, you'll need to press NVDA plus Space again. I hope this is helpful.

 

Correct, but in reality, I cannot do any correction without first reading the whole sentence, cause sometimes the spelling errors suggested by word is not correct.

 

 

 

Abbie Taylor 13/5/2022 06:47 寫道:

I'm noticing the same thing. So, I'm assuming it's normal.

Did you know you can navigate between misspelled words by pressing NVDA plus Space, then W? When you find a misspelled word, press your applications key or Shift plus F10 to open the context menu, in order to correct the word. If you want to correct the word manually, you'll need to press NVDA plus Space again. I hope this is helpful.

 


What Languages Truly Need TTS Voices?

Louder Pages
 

Hello, I hope this is not off topic.

I would ask that people reply directly to me at lp@... rather than flood this thread.

We at Louder Pages are looking to prioritize candidates for new languages for our free. RHVoice collection.

Priority is given to languages which either have no existing TTS voice, or which have a large number of users who have only poor quality voices to choose from.

We are particularly interested in African languages, and in the languages of Southern and South East Asia.

If anyone has good arguments for why a language should be a candidate, would you please email me at lp@...?

Thanks.


Re: NVDA and reporting of spelling error

Janet Brandly
 

Thanks for this. I use Word all the time and had no idea. Sounds like it would be faster than using Word’s spellcheck.

 

Janet

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: May 12, 2022 6:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and reporting of spelling error

 

I don't know if anyone is reading this thread who doesn't know what is being discussed.  I'll briefly explain it.

In Word, NVDA space places you in browse mode.  W moves you to the next misspelled word.  You can hear the word in context by reading the current line. 

When you are finished in browse mode, NVDA space turns browse mode off and you can work directly with the document, such as edit it, just as before.

Gene.

On 5/12/2022 7:10 PM, William wrote:

> Did you know you can navigate between misspelled words by pressing NVDA plus Space, then W? When you find a misspelled word, press your applications key or Shift plus F10 to open the context menu, in order to correct the word. If you want to correct the word manually, you'll need to press NVDA plus Space again. I hope this is helpful.

 

Correct, but in reality, I cannot do any correction without first reading the whole sentence, cause sometimes the spelling errors suggested by word is not correct.

 

 

 

Abbie Taylor 13/5/2022 06:47 寫道:

I'm noticing the same thing. So, I'm assuming it's normal.

Did you know you can navigate between misspelled words by pressing NVDA plus Space, then W? When you find a misspelled word, press your applications key or Shift plus F10 to open the context menu, in order to correct the word. If you want to correct the word manually, you'll need to press NVDA plus Space again. I hope this is helpful.

 


Re: mouse hover

Gene
 

I didn't say anything beyond Internet pages.  I amnot saying that hovering the mouse isn't important or useful in any programs. 

Gene

On 5/13/2022 10:42 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
Hi,

I also disagree with Jean on this one, Quickbooks makes some use of Mouse Overs, and JAWS works well with it.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis
Sent: 08 May 2022 07:27
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] mouse hover

Gene wrote:

My guess is that if mouse over links did anything other than be 
marginally useful, that is, show necessary information more than very 
rarely, NVDA would have incorporated a mouse over function.  JAWS has one, Window-eyes didn't.  I think if it were considered at all important, more than just one screen[-reader would have it.
Gene, I must disagree with you.

I have been in several situations where a website's functions were completely unusable without mouseover capability, or some way to simulate it. I present, again, GetResponse as one example.

Now, that bad design is not NVDA's fault, but I think that the real reason here is that it is simply very difficult to do given the way NVDA presents information.

Apparently, in Jaws, it is not unusual to hear that new options have appeared on line such-and-such of the virtual buffer. But users jumping to specific lines, is not an NVDA paradigm.

So the question becomes: if new options do appear, how should NVDA get you to them, or tell you about them?

I suspect if there was a reasonable answer to that, more progress might be made on mouseover support.

Luke














Re: mouse hover

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

I also disagree with Jean on this one, Quickbooks makes some use of Mouse Overs, and JAWS works well with it.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis
Sent: 08 May 2022 07:27
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] mouse hover

Gene wrote:

My guess is that if mouse over links did anything other than be
marginally useful, that is, show necessary information more than very
rarely, NVDA would have incorporated a mouse over function. JAWS has one, Window-eyes didn't. I think if it were considered at all important, more than just one screen[-reader would have it.
Gene, I must disagree with you.

I have been in several situations where a website's functions were completely unusable without mouseover capability, or some way to simulate it. I present, again, GetResponse as one example.

Now, that bad design is not NVDA's fault, but I think that the real reason here is that it is simply very difficult to do given the way NVDA presents information.

Apparently, in Jaws, it is not unusual to hear that new options have appeared on line such-and-such of the virtual buffer. But users jumping to specific lines, is not an NVDA paradigm.

So the question becomes: if new options do appear, how should NVDA get you to them, or tell you about them?

I suspect if there was a reasonable answer to that, more progress might be made on mouseover support.

Luke


Re: OnlyOffice - Collaborative webeditor

Francis Zinke
 

Yeah, Office 365. But there is the same problem dataprivacy and restrictions for the use cause of laws in some european regions. Any ideas, or informations for collabora?

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