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Re: CodeFactory Eloquence with NVDA 2022.1?

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Ämne: Re: [nvda] CodeFactory Eloquence with NVDA 2022.1?

 

OOPS, just found it, ignore previous message will install and report.

 

On 5/14/2022 12:18 PM, Chris Smart wrote:

> Before I email CodeFactory, has anybody else gotten an answer from them as

> to when their add-on will work with NVDA 2022.1?

>  

> Chris, starting to wish I hadn't given them my money

>

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Re: Issue With Lane Bryant Website and 'Press and hold" sign in button

William
 

I remember seeing similar button on Bloomberg which ask user to press and hold a button to verify that you are a human.


Gene 於 15/5/2022 14:40 寫道:

What browser are you using and have you tried more than one screen=-reader:

I haven't looked on my Windows 10  machine and I may see something different when I do, but the button is just a button as far as what NVDA says using Firefox and Windows 7. 

I haven't registered nor tried to sign in.  But I looked at how the button is read, both the sign in button and the create an account submit button.

Gene

On 5/14/2022 11:11 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,

Normally, with these commercial websites, I am pretty efficient with finding ways around various obstacles presented to screen reader users with respect to graphics, and other items presented by such sites. However, one stumps me completely. the Lane Bryant website: https://lanebryant.com has a sign in button that identifies itself as 'press and hold.' When you try activating it with a screen reader, you get an authentication failure. I have cookies and JAVA script enabled, so I know that isn't the problem.

I have tried pressing and holding the space bar, switching to edit mode and doing the same, pressing enter, routing mouse to application position and clicking, and so on and nothing works.

Is there a technique for these web buttons that you can use with NVDA to activate such 'press and hold' items?

Thanks for any help.



Re: Issue With Lane Bryant Website and 'Press and hold" sign in button

Gene
 

I just checked on my Windows 10 machine using Firefox and NVDA.

I didn't work with the sign up form, but I did enter information in the sign in form, a fictitious e-mail address and password.  The button was read as a typical button.  When I pressed the space bar on it. I received a message that I couldn't be logged in with the information I provided.  The button worked properly.

Gene

On 5/15/2022 1:40 AM, Gene wrote:
What browser are you using and have you tried more than one screen=-reader:

I haven't looked on my Windows 10  machine and I may see something different when I do, but the button is just a button as far as what NVDA says using Firefox and Windows 7. 

I haven't registered nor tried to sign in.  But I looked at how the button is read, both the sign in button and the create an account submit button.

Gene

On 5/14/2022 11:11 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,

Normally, with these commercial websites, I am pretty efficient with finding ways around various obstacles presented to screen reader users with respect to graphics, and other items presented by such sites. However, one stumps me completely. the Lane Bryant website: https://lanebryant.com has a sign in button that identifies itself as 'press and hold.' When you try activating it with a screen reader, you get an authentication failure. I have cookies and JAVA script enabled, so I know that isn't the problem.

I have tried pressing and holding the space bar, switching to edit mode and doing the same, pressing enter, routing mouse to application position and clicking, and so on and nothing works.

Is there a technique for these web buttons that you can use with NVDA to activate such 'press and hold' items?

Thanks for any help.




Re: can't navigate using arrow keys in any edit fields

 

Hi,

Yes I have received the debug log privately, and it is showing me something I've never seen before... A continuous touchscreen gesture execution as if you are pressing down on the touchscreen. The source of NVDA saying "hover" comes from touch hover gesture which is used when you use your finger to touch the screen continuously.

Context: I myself use a touchscreen device mostly for development purposes (that's why I can understand what's up a bit better). For resident developers, the log is filled with "ts(object):hover", which is the input signature for the touch hover command.

Has NVDA been acting this way from the moment you've installed it? Also, what happens when you restart with add-ons disabled and press arrow keys with speak command keys (NVDA+number row 4) enabled for a moment? If disabling add-ons does make a difference, chances are that it might be an add-on responsible for "holding down the touchscreen". The next step is disabling individual add-ons to find out exactly which add-on is responsible and inform the add-on developer.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Issue With Lane Bryant Website and 'Press and hold" sign in button

Gene
 

What browser are you using and have you tried more than one screen=-reader:

I haven't looked on my Windows 10  machine and I may see something different when I do, but the button is just a button as far as what NVDA says using Firefox and Windows 7. 

I haven't registered nor tried to sign in.  But I looked at how the button is read, both the sign in button and the create an account submit button.

Gene

On 5/14/2022 11:11 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,

Normally, with these commercial websites, I am pretty efficient with finding ways around various obstacles presented to screen reader users with respect to graphics, and other items presented by such sites. However, one stumps me completely. the Lane Bryant website: https://lanebryant.com has a sign in button that identifies itself as 'press and hold.' When you try activating it with a screen reader, you get an authentication failure. I have cookies and JAVA script enabled, so I know that isn't the problem.

I have tried pressing and holding the space bar, switching to edit mode and doing the same, pressing enter, routing mouse to application position and clicking, and so on and nothing works.

Is there a technique for these web buttons that you can use with NVDA to activate such 'press and hold' items?

Thanks for any help.



Re: can't navigate using arrow keys in any edit fields

VI Techability
 

Hi Joseph I have privately send you the nvda log. please check and let me know if you received it or not. thanks


Re: CodeFactory Eloquence with NVDA 2022.1?

Socheat
 

Code Factory always has poor support for everything. Also bought them too.

------ Original Message ------
From "Chris Smart" <ve3rwj@...>
Date 5/15/2022 2:18:21 AM
Subject [nvda] CodeFactory Eloquence with NVDA 2022.1?

Before I email CodeFactory, has anybody else gotten an answer from them as to when their add-on will work with NVDA 2022.1?

 

Chris, starting to wish I hadn’t given them my money


Re: NVDA add on collector

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi Mr charlie Dyasi


Did you get any takers as in a zip download for addons?


For which version of nvda do you want them for?


I do have up on my website a page where it takes you to a folder on drop box where you can see them for that version.


I did at one time think of actually zipping them into zip files for that version of nvda


I think I just left it the way it was just in case I wanted to add more files for that version.


Gene nz


On 29/04/2022 2:52 am, Charlie Dyasi wrote:
Hello guys, hope all of you are good.
I’m looking for that person, all those persons, who are NVDA add on collectors, and collect every add-on,, as well as keep the installation files, as well.
If any of you, is in the category that I’m looking for, please do email me, I am looking for NVDA add-ons.
I know I can download them from the NVDA page, but a zip file from a collector, would be something special.
There’s not a particular ad on that I’m looking for, so what ever someone has, I will appreciate it very much.
Hope all of you have a beautiful day ferther.

Mr charlie Dyasi
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Issue With Lane Bryant Website and 'Press and hold" sign in button

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

Normally, with these commercial websites, I am pretty efficient with finding ways around various obstacles presented to screen reader users with respect to graphics, and other items presented by such sites. However, one stumps me completely. the Lane Bryant website: https://lanebryant.com has a sign in button that identifies itself as 'press and hold.' When you try activating it with a screen reader, you get an authentication failure. I have cookies and JAVA script enabled, so I know that isn't the problem.

I have tried pressing and holding the space bar, switching to edit mode and doing the same, pressing enter, routing mouse to application position and clicking, and so on and nothing works.

Is there a technique for these web buttons that you can use with NVDA to activate such 'press and hold' items?

Thanks for any help.

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Hi all,
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Re: Question Regarding Browse setting

Gene
 

I think this is important enough information and so unknown that it should be widely discussed.

The feature means I no longer have to open the manual and find information about this or that specific field.  F1 opens the manual to the place where the information is discussed. 

I think it should also be discussed in "In Progress" and in Top Tech Tidbits as well.  I consider this to be a very important feature.

Gene

On 5/14/2022 7:58 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Carlos Medrano wrote:

Wow; I didn't know shift+f1 was possible in the NVDA settings dialogue.

It's supposed to be just F1, though Shift+F1 works also because Windows (or maybe WX) sees them as the same thing. Shift+F1 is no longer F13, as it used to be back in the old days.

Is that a Windows-wide thing? For most applications, I know f1 is the key that launches help for the focused application.

Which is why NVDA supports it. It is in the changelog for 2020.4, but somehow never made it into the user manual. I have opened an issue for that.

Luke
"I have no idea what I'm supposed to do.  I only know what I can do." -James T. Kirk







Re: Question Regarding Browse setting

Luke Davis
 

Carlos Medrano wrote:

Wow; I didn't know shift+f1 was possible in the NVDA settings dialogue.
It's supposed to be just F1, though Shift+F1 works also because Windows (or maybe WX) sees them as the same thing. Shift+F1 is no longer F13, as it used to be back in the old days.

Is that a Windows-wide thing? For most applications, I know f1 is the key that launches help for the focused application.
Which is why NVDA supports it. It is in the changelog for 2020.4, but somehow never made it into the user manual. I have opened an issue for that.

Luke
"I have no idea what I'm supposed to do. I only know what I can do." -James T. Kirk


Re: Forgive this q. about end-block-quote and paragraph Editable

Luke Davis
 

Gene wrote:

Those settings aren't related as you are describing.  There is a specific field for tables used for formatting.  It is off by default.  Format tables aren't
In NVDA, their called layout tables. But yes, everything else you said.

Luke
"I have no idea what I'm supposed to do. I only know what I can do." -James T. Kirk


Re: Question Regarding Browse setting

Carlos Medrano
 

Wow; I didn't know shift+f1 was possible in the NVDA settings dialogue. Is that a Windows-wide thing? For most applications, I know f1 is the key that launches help for the focused application.


The context menu with fn+right control is a Dell keyboard specific thing as far as I know. The laptop sends the applications key that used to be present on a lot of keyboards years ago to the operating system.


- Carlos


On 5/14/2022 5:25 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

No, this is not contextual menus but contextual help. There is a difference. And yes you are thinking of shift f10 or the applications key, that is standard in windows.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Deenadayalan Moodley
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 4:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question Regarding Browse setting

 

Hi Gene,

 

Quite by accident, I pressed <fn+right Control> on both my Dell laptops and this gives me context sensitive menus.  I wonder if this works on other laptop keyboards.

 

I have never seen this in any documentation.

 

Thanks.

Mr. Deenadayalan Moodley

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, 14 May 2022 18:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question Regarding Browse setting

 

Shift f10 is for opening the context menu.  I'm talking about context sensitive help.

Gene

On 5/14/2022 11:18 AM, tim wrote:

Don't you mean shift + f10, never heard of shift + f1.

 

On 5/14/2022 11:21 AM, Gene wrote:

f1 is usually help.  In the old days, shift f1 was used in many applications for context sensitive help, such as when you were in a field of a dialog.  I don't know if it is used to any extent in that way now.

Gene

On 5/14/2022 9:28 AM, Monte Single wrote:

I am not sure, but I think  using the F1 key is a windows key command and
not specific to a screenreader.
What you get when you press the f1 key depends on the app you are using and
what you are doing.
Hopefully,   there are others on this list who can clarify my statement.
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marilyn and Don
Bilderback
Sent: May 14, 2022 8:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question Regarding Browse setting
 
Luke, no, I have never pressed the F1 key to get information.  That is
because I never knew about it before today.  Thanks to you and Gene, I will
have a new reference for learning.
 
As a note, the shift F1 works to explain the item I last stopped on.  
Marilyn
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2022 10:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question Regarding Browse setting
 
Marilyn and Don Bilderback wrote:
 
One of the browse settings asks for the maximum number of characters 
on one line.
Another question is how many lines on one page.
What should be the number entered for each?
Whatever you are comfortable with. Have you tried pressing F1 while on
either of those fields, to get a better understanding of what they are for?
 
Luke
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 

 


Re: Forgive this q. about end-block-quote and paragraph Editable

Gene
 

Those settings aren't related as you are describing.  There is a specific field for tables used for formatting.  It is off by default.  Format tables aren't announced.  If you want to turn off announcement  of table heading and row column information, those are settings that affect what is announced in those areas concerning tables in general.

You can experiment with different settings and see what settings you like better but you won't hear formatting table information announced if you are using default settings.

Gene
On 5/14/2022 12:52 PM, Carlos Medrano wrote:



Re: Question Regarding Browse setting

Sarah k Alawami
 

No, this is not contextual menus but contextual help. There is a difference. And yes you are thinking of shift f10 or the applications key, that is standard in windows.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Deenadayalan Moodley
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 4:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question Regarding Browse setting

 

Hi Gene,

 

Quite by accident, I pressed <fn+right Control> on both my Dell laptops and this gives me context sensitive menus.  I wonder if this works on other laptop keyboards.

 

I have never seen this in any documentation.

 

Thanks.

Mr. Deenadayalan Moodley

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, 14 May 2022 18:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question Regarding Browse setting

 

Shift f10 is for opening the context menu.  I'm talking about context sensitive help.

Gene

On 5/14/2022 11:18 AM, tim wrote:

Don't you mean shift + f10, never heard of shift + f1.

 

On 5/14/2022 11:21 AM, Gene wrote:

f1 is usually help.  In the old days, shift f1 was used in many applications for context sensitive help, such as when you were in a field of a dialog.  I don't know if it is used to any extent in that way now.

Gene

On 5/14/2022 9:28 AM, Monte Single wrote:

I am not sure, but I think  using the F1 key is a windows key command and
not specific to a screenreader.
What you get when you press the f1 key depends on the app you are using and
what you are doing.
Hopefully,   there are others on this list who can clarify my statement.
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marilyn and Don
Bilderback
Sent: May 14, 2022 8:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question Regarding Browse setting
 
Luke, no, I have never pressed the F1 key to get information.  That is
because I never knew about it before today.  Thanks to you and Gene, I will
have a new reference for learning.
 
As a note, the shift F1 works to explain the item I last stopped on.  
Marilyn
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2022 10:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question Regarding Browse setting
 
Marilyn and Don Bilderback wrote:
 
One of the browse settings asks for the maximum number of characters 
on one line.
Another question is how many lines on one page.
What should be the number entered for each?
Whatever you are comfortable with. Have you tried pressing F1 while on
either of those fields, to get a better understanding of what they are for?
 
Luke
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 

 


Re: Question Regarding Browse setting

Deenadayalan Moodley
 

Hi Gene,

 

Quite by accident, I pressed <fn+right Control> on both my Dell laptops and this gives me context sensitive menus.  I wonder if this works on other laptop keyboards.

 

I have never seen this in any documentation.

 

Thanks.

Mr. Deenadayalan Moodley

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, 14 May 2022 18:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question Regarding Browse setting

 

Shift f10 is for opening the context menu.  I'm talking about context sensitive help.

Gene

On 5/14/2022 11:18 AM, tim wrote:

Don't you mean shift + f10, never heard of shift + f1.

 

On 5/14/2022 11:21 AM, Gene wrote:

f1 is usually help.  In the old days, shift f1 was used in many applications for context sensitive help, such as when you were in a field of a dialog.  I don't know if it is used to any extent in that way now.

Gene

On 5/14/2022 9:28 AM, Monte Single wrote:

I am not sure, but I think  using the F1 key is a windows key command and
not specific to a screenreader.
What you get when you press the f1 key depends on the app you are using and
what you are doing.
Hopefully,   there are others on this list who can clarify my statement.
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marilyn and Don
Bilderback
Sent: May 14, 2022 8:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question Regarding Browse setting
 
Luke, no, I have never pressed the F1 key to get information.  That is
because I never knew about it before today.  Thanks to you and Gene, I will
have a new reference for learning.
 
As a note, the shift F1 works to explain the item I last stopped on.  
Marilyn
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2022 10:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question Regarding Browse setting
 
Marilyn and Don Bilderback wrote:
 
One of the browse settings asks for the maximum number of characters 
on one line.
Another question is how many lines on one page.
What should be the number entered for each?
Whatever you are comfortable with. Have you tried pressing F1 while on
either of those fields, to get a better understanding of what they are for?
 
Luke
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 

 


Re: CodeFactory Eloquence with NVDA 2022.1?

Curtis Delzer
 

OOPS, just found it, ignore previous message will install and report.

On 5/14/2022 12:18 PM, Chris Smart wrote:
Before I email CodeFactory, has anybody else gotten an answer from them as
to when their add-on will work with NVDA 2022.1?


Chris, starting to wish I hadn't given them my money





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H.S.
K6VFO
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curtis@...


CodeFactory Eloquence with NVDA 2022.1?

Chris Smart
 

Before I email CodeFactory, has anybody else gotten an answer from them as to when their add-on will work with NVDA 2022.1?

 

Chris, starting to wish I hadn’t given them my money


Re: Forgive this q. about end-block-quote and paragraph Editable

Carlos Medrano
 

If I recall, that dialogue also has the check box for table column and row header information. On some older websites that use tables for formatting instead of CSS, turning that off may also be useful. I know it's off topic, but it took me a while to find how to turn it off.


- Carlos


On 5/14/2022 3:43 AM, Penny Golden wrote:

Thanks so much.  I don't care what default is, if only I can change it. 

Thanks so much for the info.

Pen



On 5/14/2022 5:36 AM, Gene wrote:
NVDA announces block quotes by default, a setting I have objected to in the past.

You can eliminate this announcement in the following way:
Open the document formatting dialog using the command control NVDA d.  That is, hold control and the NVDA key and type d while doing so.
Tab through the items and you will eventually get to block quotes.  It is a check box.  Uncheck it with the space bar, then press enter. 

You won't hear block quotes identified in places like e-mails or web pages. 

Gene

On 5/14/2022 5:29 AM, Penny Golden wrote:

Can I write emails without having these words come up?  I know it must be possible; and I know that I should be able to figure out what it is that I need to turn off.

Is there a way to get this extraneous wording out of the reading and writing process?

Sorry if this should be obvious.

Thanks.









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