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locked Saving Outlet

Jon W Parsons
 

I am buying a new computer.
How do I backup and save my outlet program and all my messages so I can put
them on my new computer?


Re: NVDA repeating every Chinese character twice in Windows PowerShell

Rowen Cary
 

Hi,

Please check 'Use UI Automation to access the Windows Console when available' in the advanced settings panel.

On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 07:59 PM, William wrote:

Hello all,

  1. Open Windows PowerShell

  2. Run the following python script: print('測試用文字')

  3. When you press Enter, the first time nvda will say '測試用文字'

  4. But if I use review cursor to go back to that line of text, NVDA will say ''測測試試用用文文字字' which repeating every character twice.

I am testing this with NVDA 2022.1 RC1, without installing any addon

windows 10 home ed 21h2

I try doing the same thing in Windows terminal preview, but the Chinese characters are correctly reported.

Here I attach the respective debug log for your reference.

Thanks.

William


Re: Python pring function with flush=True NVDA not reading the updated messages in Windows PowerShell

Ken Perry
 

I tried running your code and it has errors. Can you try your code and make sure it works before you send it? Note things like the range function in the for loop and the sec variable is what I am talking bout.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of William
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 5:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Python pring function with flush=True NVDA not reading the updated messages in Windows PowerShell

Hello,

This question is partly related to NVDA and partly related to Windows PowerShell.


Supposed I have the following python script and stored in a python file
'test.py', which print out a new string of text after every second.


import time

for i in np.arange(10):

print('Sleeping', f"{str(round((i-1)/secs*100,
0)).removesuffix('.0')}%", end="\r", flush=True)

time.sleep(1)

1. I open Windows PowerShell

2. type python test.py

3. the script starts running

I am expecting that NVDA can automatically speak out the new string of
text, but in my test, after the first 'Spleeping...' was spoken, NVDA
did not speak the updated messages.


What can I do to make NVDA speak the updated messages? Thanks.

William


Re: Python pring function with flush=True NVDA not reading the updated messages in Windows PowerShell

Gabriele Battaglia
 


Reply to William's message, wrote on 16/05/2022 at 12:10:
>do you have an example?

I'm not able to reproduce it at the moment. I tried this and it works.


#test
import time
for i in range(4):
  print(f"\nThis is number {i}",end="")
  time.sleep(0.8)
Could you please show me once more the piece of code you posted at the beginning?
Thanks.


Re: CodeFactory Eloquence with NVDA 2022.1?

 

A few days ago I submitted a ticket asking about exactly the same thing and they replied that they're working on it and that a new version should be out before the stable release of NVDA 2022.1.
Note this is the second time submitting a ticket about it; this time I chose the high priority. When I submitted a ticket first time I chose medium priority and got no response.
So...fingers cross for now and hope a new version of Codefactory is indeed released prior to the release of 2022.1 stable.


Re: Python pring function with flush=True NVDA not reading the updated messages in Windows PowerShell

William
 

Hi


Do you have the same issue also if you print a return, \n, after the
value?


do you have an example?


Gabriele Battaglia via groups.io 於 16/5/2022 17:45 寫道:

Reply to William's message, wrote on 16/05/2022 at 11:26:
Hi Gabe.

I just posted this question in nvda-dev but so far I have not received any feedback.

Ops. I hope someone answer later.

Do you have the same issue also if you print a return, \n, after the value?

Gabe.





Re: Python pring function with flush=True NVDA not reading the updated messages in Windows PowerShell

Gabriele Battaglia
 

FYI

Powershell is not involved itself. It's matter of all console app.

I don't use Powershell but I have the same issue on command prompt.

Gabe.


Re: Python pring function with flush=True NVDA not reading the updated messages in Windows PowerShell

Gabriele Battaglia
 

Reply to William's message, wrote on 16/05/2022 at 11:26:
Hi Gabe.

I just posted this question in nvda-dev but so far I have not received any feedback.

Ops. I hope someone answer later.

Do you have the same issue also if you print a return, \n, after the value?

Gabe.


Re: Python pring function with flush=True NVDA not reading the updated messages in Windows PowerShell

William
 

Hi Gabe.

I just posted this question in nvda-dev but so far I have not received any feedback.



Gabriele Battaglia via groups.io 於 16/5/2022 16:51 寫道:

Hi William.

I just joined the dev's group but I'm asking if you already posted this question there and if you got some answers.

I'm very interested in this topic because I have this issue also.

Thanks.


Gabe.





Re: Python pring function with flush=True NVDA not reading the updated messages in Windows PowerShell

Gabriele Battaglia
 

Hi William.

I just joined the dev's group but I'm asking if you already posted this question there and if you got some answers.

I'm very interested in this topic because I have this issue also.

Thanks.


Gabe.


Re: CodeFactory Eloquence with NVDA 2022.1?

Socheat
 

Yeah, ATGuys indeed supportive than CF, but unfortunately they just a reseller, so they can't do anything in term of compatibility breaking release.

------ Original Message ------
From "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@...>
Date 5/15/2022 11:43:23 PM
Subject Re: [nvda] CodeFactory Eloquence with NVDA 2022.1?

I’m not begiign to regret the choice but I am. I bought it through ATGuys who are wonderful but I have not even updated this thing since I bought it last July during a sale.  It’s sad really. AtGuys are better than CF in terms of support, I have had to talk to them and get help before.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Socheat
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 10:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] CodeFactory Eloquence with NVDA 2022.1?

 

Code Factory always has poor support for everything. Also bought them too.

 

------ Original Message ------

From "Chris Smart" <ve3rwj@...>

Date 5/15/2022 2:18:21 AM

Subject [nvda] CodeFactory Eloquence with NVDA 2022.1?

 

Before I email CodeFactory, has anybody else gotten an answer from them as to when their add-on will work with NVDA 2022.1?

 

Chris, starting to wish I hadn’t given them my money


Re: Python pring function with flush=True NVDA not reading the updated messages in Windows PowerShell

William
 

Noted, thanks.

Quentin Christensen 於 16/5/2022 11:22 寫道:

Hi William,

You might get more responses for these Python questions in the NVDA developer group: https://groups.io/g/nvda-devel

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 7:04 PM William <xsuper.sillyx@...> wrote:
Hello,

This question is partly related to NVDA and partly related to Windows
PowerShell.


Supposed I have the following python script and stored in a python file
'test.py', which print out a new string of text after every second.


import time

for i in np.arange(10):

     print('Sleeping', f"{str(round((i-1)/secs*100,
0)).removesuffix('.0')}%", end="\r", flush=True)

     time.sleep(1)

1. I open Windows PowerShell

2. type python test.py

3. the script starts running

I am expecting that NVDA can automatically speak out the new string of
text, but in my test, after the first 'Spleeping...' was spoken, NVDA
did not speak the updated messages.


What can I do to make NVDA speak the updated messages? Thanks.

William











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Re: Punctuation

Sarah k Alawami
 

Yes and the slash is called a stroke.  Makes sence if you think about it.  It looks like the stroke of a pen. Interesting history of words etc. I love history of words, but then again I am a teacher for what ever that’s worth.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2022 8:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctuation

 

Apparently the "!" being called "bang" goes back to the 1950s and either comic books (which portrayed a speech bubble with ! in it coming out of a gun to signify it being fired, hence 'bang') - or typesetting manuals: https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/62918/why-is-the-exclamation-mark-called-a-bang.  I've never heard it used anywhere other than screen readers (not just NVDA).

 

I can't readily find a reference for the apostrophe being called tick.  In ASCII the grave accent is called the "back tick", and I assume that would have come from the same source.

 

I assume screen readers picked up those two names from the ascii and other similar references, but also because both are shorter to say than their more common names.  (Or at least more common here in Australia, I'm not sure whether either term is used - outside screen readers - to describe those symbols in other countries?

 

Fiddlesticks, I used my linguistic nerd quota in In-Process for the month last edition, maybe I can explore this in a future In-Process!

 

(Fiddlesticks of course from "Fiddle Sticks", the bows used to play violins, from the 15th century "fydylstyks").

 

Ok I'll stop now :)

 

On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 11:27 PM Steve Nutt <steve@...> wrote:

I’ve often wondered why NVDA calls the apostrophe a tick?

 

I guess the same reason that it calls an exclamation mark a bang, but it’s curious wording for the apostrophe.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: 05 May 2022 23:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctuationp

 

When are they being read?

 

If I write:

Don't!

 

And up arrow onto that line, NVDA will read simply the word "don't", without articulating either the apostrophe or exclamation mark.

 

That happens with punctuation level set to none, some or most.  If I have punctuation level set to all then NVDA reads "don tick t bang".

 

If I right arrow through the word, then NVDA will always read "d o n tick t bang" regardless of the punctuation level

 

Given you worded them "apostrphe" and "exclamation" have you edited the "punctuation / symbol pronunciation" or dictionary?

 

In the punctuation / symbol pronunciation dialog, there are two entries for each.  Press the exclamation ! to jump to each of its entries.  Press apostrophe ' to jump to it's entry used when it is on its own.  The in-word apostrophe is three above the other one.  All four are set to symbol level "all" by default.

 

On Fri, May 6, 2022 at 1:20 AM Peter Beasley <pjbeasley23@...> wrote:

I have tried everything but am unable to stop NVDA form announcing exclamation and apostrophe.

Sent from Mail for Windows

 


 

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Re: what's up with this player?

Gene
 

I tried that and it didn't work when I did.  If it did when you tried it, that's fine. 

Gene

On 5/15/2022 10:04 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:

Okay, I finally got it to work. Even in browse mode, it works. Just
click the link that says 4, and then the audio will start and the link
will now display as visited, and will change to say 6. That is
completely not logical though.

On 5/15/22, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Here is how you get the player to play.  When you are in the player,
make sure you are at the top.
Turn browse mode off with NVDA space.
Tab until you get to a link that just says link.  It will be two or
three times.
Use NVDA numpad enter to activate the link.  Then use the same command
again to activate it again.  The audio will play.

Gene

On 5/15/2022 7:35 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
Gene,
Try again. The link you provided directed me to WHTE in
Charlottesville, VA. The station in question is KRSQ in Billings, MT.
That website is hot1019.com, and the player linked to in my original
message on this topic is the one linked from their website.
Jackie, what browser and operating system are you on? I don't get any
audio when I use that link, hence my post to this list. I'm currently
running Windows 10 with Firefox, but have tried this player with IE on
both Windows 10 and Windows 7 also with no luck.

On 5/15/22, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Also, what I described as buttons are actually links so you can't use b
to move to them.  NVDA says link button, so treat them like links.

Gene

On 5/15/2022 4:10 PM, Gene wrote:
Go to the actual station:
https://www.1019hot.com/

Make sure you are at the top of the page.
Move to an unlabeled link that says 58201 and press enter.
You are now on a page with the kind of buttons you would expect, one
of which is a play button.

You were going to the player but it is not being used to stream the
site.

Stations may change their streaming address from time to time. Check
the actual site if something stops working.

Gene

On 5/15/2022 2:38 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
Hi all,
Hopefully I still get an answer to my other question, but while I'm on
here, what's up with this audio player? I'm currently running Windows
10 with Firefox as my default browser, but this has been a problem
with this station through two operating systems, two browsers, and at
least three computers. Can anyone tell me why I can't get any audio?
The station used to have a prerol add and that would play, but the
station audio wouldn't.
http://m.commotion.com/player/9A14E259-76F4-47D4-AF94-0ED5394282E1_E6C462BB-968B-46CF-B159-C0619A75A171/





.




















Re: Python pring function with flush=True NVDA not reading the updated messages in Windows PowerShell

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi William,

You might get more responses for these Python questions in the NVDA developer group: https://groups.io/g/nvda-devel

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 7:04 PM William <xsuper.sillyx@...> wrote:
Hello,

This question is partly related to NVDA and partly related to Windows
PowerShell.


Supposed I have the following python script and stored in a python file
'test.py', which print out a new string of text after every second.


import time

for i in np.arange(10):

     print('Sleeping', f"{str(round((i-1)/secs*100,
0)).removesuffix('.0')}%", end="\r", flush=True)

     time.sleep(1)

1. I open Windows PowerShell

2. type python test.py

3. the script starts running

I am expecting that NVDA can automatically speak out the new string of
text, but in my test, after the first 'Spleeping...' was spoken, NVDA
did not speak the updated messages.


What can I do to make NVDA speak the updated messages? Thanks.

William











--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: Punctuation

Quentin Christensen
 

Apparently the "!" being called "bang" goes back to the 1950s and either comic books (which portrayed a speech bubble with ! in it coming out of a gun to signify it being fired, hence 'bang') - or typesetting manuals: https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/62918/why-is-the-exclamation-mark-called-a-bang.  I've never heard it used anywhere other than screen readers (not just NVDA).

I can't readily find a reference for the apostrophe being called tick.  In ASCII the grave accent is called the "back tick", and I assume that would have come from the same source.

I assume screen readers picked up those two names from the ascii and other similar references, but also because both are shorter to say than their more common names.  (Or at least more common here in Australia, I'm not sure whether either term is used - outside screen readers - to describe those symbols in other countries?

Fiddlesticks, I used my linguistic nerd quota in In-Process for the month last edition, maybe I can explore this in a future In-Process!

(Fiddlesticks of course from "Fiddle Sticks", the bows used to play violins, from the 15th century "fydylstyks").

Ok I'll stop now :)

On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 11:27 PM Steve Nutt <steve@...> wrote:

I’ve often wondered why NVDA calls the apostrophe a tick?

 

I guess the same reason that it calls an exclamation mark a bang, but it’s curious wording for the apostrophe.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: 05 May 2022 23:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctuationp

 

When are they being read?

 

If I write:

Don't!

 

And up arrow onto that line, NVDA will read simply the word "don't", without articulating either the apostrophe or exclamation mark.

 

That happens with punctuation level set to none, some or most.  If I have punctuation level set to all then NVDA reads "don tick t bang".

 

If I right arrow through the word, then NVDA will always read "d o n tick t bang" regardless of the punctuation level

 

Given you worded them "apostrphe" and "exclamation" have you edited the "punctuation / symbol pronunciation" or dictionary?

 

In the punctuation / symbol pronunciation dialog, there are two entries for each.  Press the exclamation ! to jump to each of its entries.  Press apostrophe ' to jump to it's entry used when it is on its own.  The in-word apostrophe is three above the other one.  All four are set to symbol level "all" by default.

 

On Fri, May 6, 2022 at 1:20 AM Peter Beasley <pjbeasley23@...> wrote:

I have tried everything but am unable to stop NVDA form announcing exclamation and apostrophe.

Sent from Mail for Windows

 


 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: what's up with this player?

Bob Cavanaugh
 

Okay, I finally got it to work. Even in browse mode, it works. Just
click the link that says 4, and then the audio will start and the link
will now display as visited, and will change to say 6. That is
completely not logical though.

On 5/15/22, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Here is how you get the player to play. When you are in the player,
make sure you are at the top.
Turn browse mode off with NVDA space.
Tab until you get to a link that just says link. It will be two or
three times.
Use NVDA numpad enter to activate the link. Then use the same command
again to activate it again. The audio will play.

Gene

On 5/15/2022 7:35 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
Gene,
Try again. The link you provided directed me to WHTE in
Charlottesville, VA. The station in question is KRSQ in Billings, MT.
That website is hot1019.com, and the player linked to in my original
message on this topic is the one linked from their website.
Jackie, what browser and operating system are you on? I don't get any
audio when I use that link, hence my post to this list. I'm currently
running Windows 10 with Firefox, but have tried this player with IE on
both Windows 10 and Windows 7 also with no luck.

On 5/15/22, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Also, what I described as buttons are actually links so you can't use b
to move to them. NVDA says link button, so treat them like links.

Gene

On 5/15/2022 4:10 PM, Gene wrote:
Go to the actual station:
https://www.1019hot.com/

Make sure you are at the top of the page.
Move to an unlabeled link that says 58201 and press enter.
You are now on a page with the kind of buttons you would expect, one
of which is a play button.

You were going to the player but it is not being used to stream the
site.

Stations may change their streaming address from time to time. Check
the actual site if something stops working.

Gene

On 5/15/2022 2:38 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
Hi all,
Hopefully I still get an answer to my other question, but while I'm on
here, what's up with this audio player? I'm currently running Windows
10 with Firefox as my default browser, but this has been a problem
with this station through two operating systems, two browsers, and at
least three computers. Can anyone tell me why I can't get any audio?
The station used to have a prerol add and that would play, but the
station audio wouldn't.
http://m.commotion.com/player/9A14E259-76F4-47D4-AF94-0ED5394282E1_E6C462BB-968B-46CF-B159-C0619A75A171/





.












Re: what's up with this player?

Jackie
 

FF 100 Win 10 21H2.

On 5/15/22, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Here is how you get the player to play.  When you are in the player,
make sure you are at the top.
Turn browse mode off with NVDA space.
Tab until you get to a link that just says link.  It will be two or
three times.
Use NVDA numpad enter to activate the link.  Then use the same command
again to activate it again.  The audio will play.

Gene

On 5/15/2022 7:35 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
Gene,
Try again. The link you provided directed me to WHTE in
Charlottesville, VA. The station in question is KRSQ in Billings, MT.
That website is hot1019.com, and the player linked to in my original
message on this topic is the one linked from their website.
Jackie, what browser and operating system are you on? I don't get any
audio when I use that link, hence my post to this list. I'm currently
running Windows 10 with Firefox, but have tried this player with IE on
both Windows 10 and Windows 7 also with no luck.

On 5/15/22, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Also, what I described as buttons are actually links so you can't use b
to move to them.  NVDA says link button, so treat them like links.

Gene

On 5/15/2022 4:10 PM, Gene wrote:
Go to the actual station:
https://www.1019hot.com/

Make sure you are at the top of the page.
Move to an unlabeled link that says 58201 and press enter.
You are now on a page with the kind of buttons you would expect, one
of which is a play button.

You were going to the player but it is not being used to stream the
site.

Stations may change their streaming address from time to time. Check
the actual site if something stops working.

Gene

On 5/15/2022 2:38 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
Hi all,
Hopefully I still get an answer to my other question, but while I'm on
here, what's up with this audio player? I'm currently running Windows
10 with Firefox as my default browser, but this has been a problem
with this station through two operating systems, two browsers, and at
least three computers. Can anyone tell me why I can't get any audio?
The station used to have a prerol add and that would play, but the
station audio wouldn't.
http://m.commotion.com/player/9A14E259-76F4-47D4-AF94-0ED5394282E1_E6C462BB-968B-46CF-B159-C0619A75A171/





.











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Re: what's up with this player?

Gene
 

Here is how you get the player to play.  When you are in the player, make sure you are at the top.
Turn browse mode off with NVDA space.
Tab until you get to a link that just says link.  It will be two or three times.
Use NVDA numpad enter to activate the link.  Then use the same command again to activate it again.  The audio will play.

Gene

On 5/15/2022 7:35 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:

Gene,
Try again. The link you provided directed me to WHTE in
Charlottesville, VA. The station in question is KRSQ in Billings, MT.
That website is hot1019.com, and the player linked to in my original
message on this topic is the one linked from their website.
Jackie, what browser and operating system are you on? I don't get any
audio when I use that link, hence my post to this list. I'm currently
running Windows 10 with Firefox, but have tried this player with IE on
both Windows 10 and Windows 7 also with no luck.

On 5/15/22, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Also, what I described as buttons are actually links so you can't use b
to move to them.  NVDA says link button, so treat them like links.

Gene

On 5/15/2022 4:10 PM, Gene wrote:
Go to the actual station:
https://www.1019hot.com/

Make sure you are at the top of the page.
Move to an unlabeled link that says 58201 and press enter.
You are now on a page with the kind of buttons you would expect, one
of which is a play button.

You were going to the player but it is not being used to stream the site.

Stations may change their streaming address from time to time. Check
the actual site if something stops working.

Gene

On 5/15/2022 2:38 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
Hi all,
Hopefully I still get an answer to my other question, but while I'm on
here, what's up with this audio player? I'm currently running Windows
10 with Firefox as my default browser, but this has been a problem
with this station through two operating systems, two browsers, and at
least three computers. Can anyone tell me why I can't get any audio?
The station used to have a prerol add and that would play, but the
station audio wouldn't.
http://m.commotion.com/player/9A14E259-76F4-47D4-AF94-0ED5394282E1_E6C462BB-968B-46CF-B159-C0619A75A171/





.

        












Re: what's up with this player?

Gene
 

I'll try that station. 

Gene

On 5/15/2022 7:35 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:

Gene,
Try again. The link you provided directed me to WHTE in
Charlottesville, VA. The station in question is KRSQ in Billings, MT.
That website is hot1019.com, and the player linked to in my original
message on this topic is the one linked from their website.
Jackie, what browser and operating system are you on? I don't get any
audio when I use that link, hence my post to this list. I'm currently
running Windows 10 with Firefox, but have tried this player with IE on
both Windows 10 and Windows 7 also with no luck.

On 5/15/22, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Also, what I described as buttons are actually links so you can't use b
to move to them.  NVDA says link button, so treat them like links.

Gene

On 5/15/2022 4:10 PM, Gene wrote:
Go to the actual station:
https://www.1019hot.com/

Make sure you are at the top of the page.
Move to an unlabeled link that says 58201 and press enter.
You are now on a page with the kind of buttons you would expect, one
of which is a play button.

You were going to the player but it is not being used to stream the site.

Stations may change their streaming address from time to time. Check
the actual site if something stops working.

Gene

On 5/15/2022 2:38 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
Hi all,
Hopefully I still get an answer to my other question, but while I'm on
here, what's up with this audio player? I'm currently running Windows
10 with Firefox as my default browser, but this has been a problem
with this station through two operating systems, two browsers, and at
least three computers. Can anyone tell me why I can't get any audio?
The station used to have a prerol add and that would play, but the
station audio wouldn't.
http://m.commotion.com/player/9A14E259-76F4-47D4-AF94-0ED5394282E1_E6C462BB-968B-46CF-B159-C0619A75A171/





.

        











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