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Odd E-mails From NVDA List

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

I don't know if this is Spam or something odd is happening. I am getting an e-mail in foreign language from the following e-mail address appearing on this list.
vigilancia@...

It appears to be in response to some messages I send, but I can't understand the language.

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Re: Add-on update notice: fixed Add-on Updater offering incompatible add-ons

 

Hi,

What is for certain is that I'm definitely devoting June to something other than writing Python (for once in quite some time). As far as NVDA code contribution goes, I submitted what might be my last pull request last week (a possible solution to let mouse and touch users navigate and interact with Windows 11 UI elements on screen). I'm half-tempted to flat out ask NV Access to take Add-on Updater and Windows App Essentials under their wings so I can (finally) cleanly depart this project (for now).

The workload I'm involved (or thought about) are:

  1. Add-on authorship and maintenance
  2. Reviewing add-ons from the community
  3. Look for Windows 10/11/Insider Preview accessibility and usability issues for screen reader users
  4. Carefully guide the community toward long-term goals, or for that matter, slowly prepare the community for post-NVDA era (yes, that's slowly coming). While I cannot go into specifics, I imagine a day when academic researchers will "unearth" NVDA source code and try to figure out what's going on (the process for preparing for such a scenario isn't trivial, requiring changing the mindset of contributors, and to some degree, add-ons community; won't go into details now but perhaps find a time to talk about it soon).

Hope this helps.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Add-on update notice: fixed Add-on Updater offering incompatible add-ons

 

As an asside I have reinstalled 14.7 and rechecked and yeah no longer getting stuff that will not work with my version anymore.


On 17/05/2022 8:26 am, Shaun Everiss wrote:

You know you really need to get someone else to manage the load if its that much.

I'm happy to get updates but they are not much good if the latest version is not out yet.



On 17/05/2022 2:44 am, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

Recently a number of add-ons were updated that require NVDA 2022.1, and these were approved for distribution on community add-ons website around 7:52 PM Pacific (UTC-7) on May 15, 2022. Around 1:11 AM on May 16th, I received a report from the add-ons list about compatibility messages with NVDA 2021.3.5 (the latest stable version as of time of this writing) and confirm that Add-on Updater was offering incompatible add-on updates to users. I have stopped Add-on Updater from offering add-on updates requiring NVDA 2022.1 around 1:36 AM Pacific.

While the update issue is resolved, I decided to inform you of what happened as Add-on Updater is my responsibility, and the described issue was part of a chain of events that led to folks experiencing confusion for a while. My sincerest apologies for this mishap.

P.S. A bigger factor: mental exhaustion due to me being a workaholic when it comes to everything NVDA. The events that led to the mishap described cannot be explained fully here, but what I can say is that as soon as graduate final exam is done this week and Windows App Essentials 22.06 is released next week, I’ll be looking for a great distraction from NVDA before I crash with mental exhaustion. This can partly explain why I’m not my usual self these days.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Add-on update notice: fixed Add-on Updater offering incompatible add-ons

 

On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 11:16 AM, Janet Brandly wrote:
We appreciate all the work you do. You definitely deserve a long disconnected vacation.
-
Amen to both of those sentiments, Janet!

I've been telling Joseph for some time now that he needs to stop talking about ceasing involvement with NVDA development and actually cease it.  And that's not because there is not an immense well of respect for him and all the work he has done.  No one is obligated to sacrifice their entire lives even to projects about which they are enthusiastic and devoted.  Passing the torch is a natural thing.

Joseph, best of luck getting through finals.  My last round of dealing with that was in the late 1990s when I was in a graduate program where I took all 4 years of undergraduate core courses in the first year and then entered into the usual graduate curriculum for the following two years.  Grad school is exhausting.
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Re: Add-on update notice: fixed Add-on Updater offering incompatible add-ons

 

You know you really need to get someone else to manage the load if its that much.

I'm happy to get updates but they are not much good if the latest version is not out yet.



On 17/05/2022 2:44 am, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

Recently a number of add-ons were updated that require NVDA 2022.1, and these were approved for distribution on community add-ons website around 7:52 PM Pacific (UTC-7) on May 15, 2022. Around 1:11 AM on May 16th, I received a report from the add-ons list about compatibility messages with NVDA 2021.3.5 (the latest stable version as of time of this writing) and confirm that Add-on Updater was offering incompatible add-on updates to users. I have stopped Add-on Updater from offering add-on updates requiring NVDA 2022.1 around 1:36 AM Pacific.

While the update issue is resolved, I decided to inform you of what happened as Add-on Updater is my responsibility, and the described issue was part of a chain of events that led to folks experiencing confusion for a while. My sincerest apologies for this mishap.

P.S. A bigger factor: mental exhaustion due to me being a workaholic when it comes to everything NVDA. The events that led to the mishap described cannot be explained fully here, but what I can say is that as soon as graduate final exam is done this week and Windows App Essentials 22.06 is released next week, I’ll be looking for a great distraction from NVDA before I crash with mental exhaustion. This can partly explain why I’m not my usual self these days.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: accessibility of Libre Office

Luke Davis
 

Richard B. McDonald wrote:

Make sure that you have installed and are always running the Java Access Bridge.
Do you still find that necessary? NVDA has included JAVA Access Bridge for about two and a half years now. My understanding is that you shouldn't need to take any action. If you do, perhaps a bug report is in order.

From the 2019.3 changelog:

- The Java Access Bridge is now included with NVDA to enable access to Java applications, including for 64 bit Java VMs. (#7724)
- If the Java Access Bridge is not enabled for the user, NVDA automatically enables it at NVDA startup. (#7952)

Luke


Re: accessibility of Libre Office

Richard B. McDonald
 

Hi!

 

LO is *mostly* accessible.  Presently, work is underway at both LO and NVDA to make it more so.  Make sure that you are always running the latest versions of LO and NVDA since these accessibility improvements are rolling out progressively.  Make sure that you have installed and are always running the Java Access Bridge.  There are a bunch of help files for keyboard shortcut keys for LO “Calc,” “Writer” and so on available.  Following are a couple of specific things:

 

1.            In all applications (Writer, Calc, etc.), under the “View” menu uncheck the option to show the “Sidebar.”  The Sidebar is an alternative way of navigating around the active document.  It is not necessary.  When pressing F6 to cycle through the menu bar, tool bars and the active document itself, the Sidebar will therefore be removed from that cycle.

 

2.            In Writer, it helps to go to View>User Interface and check the radio button labeled "Contextual Single."

 

HTH,

Richard

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 11:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] accessibility of Libre Office

 

How accessible is it with NVDA?  Would I need to install anything more to make it accessible?

 

Thanks, I am only doing this to try to help my wife figure out a problem she is having.

 

 

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Re: accessibility of Libre Office

 

The general consensus, based on what I've read, is that LibreOffice is accessible, but not as consistently so as Microsoft Office is, which really isn't surprising since the screen reader makers focus on Microsoft Office because of its near ubiquity in the business world.

I can't speak to add-ons for NVDA that may target LibreOffice.

There is a dedicated Libre Office Accessibility Discussion List, but it is not hugely active.

Posting Guidelines & More: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette

List Archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/

Subscribe: accessibility+subscribe@...

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Re: testing

Kim Vaughn
 

Your test made it to the list, dave.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Grossoehme
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 1:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] testing

A change has been made, so, I am sending a test to see if I can get to
the group.

Dave Grossoehme


testing

Dave Grossoehme
 

A change has been made, so, I am sending a test to see if I can get to the group.

Dave Grossoehme


accessibility of Libre Office

Dan Beaver
 

How accessible is it with NVDA?  Would I need to install anything more to make it accessible?


Thanks, I am only doing this to try to help my wife figure out a problem she is having.



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Re: CodeFactory Eloquence with NVDA 2022.1?

Sarah k Alawami
 

Oh, boring.  I might be tempted to send feedback about this, but I doubt they will answer.  This is how they are, never answering emails, never helping with support. They are not so code factory, or something.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Wettlaufer
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 8:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] CodeFactory Eloquence with NVDA 2022.1?

 

Unfortunately you can't.  It seems like very obvious functionality though and I really wish they would add it.

Steve

On 2022-05-16 11:02 a.m., Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Can you update the add on from within the add on? that is, can I hit a button to go to the website where the update is? As I don’t think I’ve updated this thing in a year, when I bought this thing in July, ok, not quite a year, but soon enough.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Supanut Leepaisomboon
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 4:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] CodeFactory Eloquence with NVDA 2022.1?

 

A few days ago I submitted a ticket asking about exactly the same thing and they replied that they're working on it and that a new version should be out before the stable release of NVDA 2022.1.
Note this is the second time submitting a ticket about it; this time I chose the high priority. When I submitted a ticket first time I chose medium priority and got no response.
So...fingers cross for now and hope a new version of Codefactory is indeed released prior to the release of 2022.1 stable.


Re: CodeFactory Eloquence with NVDA 2022.1?

Steve Wettlaufer
 

Unfortunately you can't.  It seems like very obvious functionality though and I really wish they would add it.

Steve

On 2022-05-16 11:02 a.m., Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Can you update the add on from within the add on? that is, can I hit a button to go to the website where the update is? As I don’t think I’ve updated this thing in a year, when I bought this thing in July, ok, not quite a year, but soon enough.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Supanut Leepaisomboon
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 4:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] CodeFactory Eloquence with NVDA 2022.1?

 

A few days ago I submitted a ticket asking about exactly the same thing and they replied that they're working on it and that a new version should be out before the stable release of NVDA 2022.1.
Note this is the second time submitting a ticket about it; this time I chose the high priority. When I submitted a ticket first time I chose medium priority and got no response.
So...fingers cross for now and hope a new version of Codefactory is indeed released prior to the release of 2022.1 stable.


locked Re: Saving Outlet

 

On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 09:55 AM, Jon W Parsons wrote:
How do I backup and save my outlet program and all my messages so I can put
them on my new computer?
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I am guessing, as Sarah has, that this is a question about how to port all existing email in an Outlook instance on one computer to another.

Per the group rules, and my frequent reminders about same, this question has nothing whatsoever to do with NVDA.  It should be addressed either on the Chat Subgroup, Microsoft Office Accessibility Discussion Group, or any one of a number of other more generally focused blind-centric tech groups, of which there are many.
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Re: Add-on update notice: fixed Add-on Updater offering incompatible add-ons

Janet Brandly
 

We appreciate all the work you do. You definitely deserve a long disconnected vacation.

 

Janet

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: May 16, 2022 8:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Add-on update notice: fixed Add-on Updater offering incompatible add-ons

 

Hi all,

Recently a number of add-ons were updated that require NVDA 2022.1, and these were approved for distribution on community add-ons website around 7:52 PM Pacific (UTC-7) on May 15, 2022. Around 1:11 AM on May 16th, I received a report from the add-ons list about compatibility messages with NVDA 2021.3.5 (the latest stable version as of time of this writing) and confirm that Add-on Updater was offering incompatible add-on updates to users. I have stopped Add-on Updater from offering add-on updates requiring NVDA 2022.1 around 1:36 AM Pacific.

While the update issue is resolved, I decided to inform you of what happened as Add-on Updater is my responsibility, and the described issue was part of a chain of events that led to folks experiencing confusion for a while. My sincerest apologies for this mishap.

P.S. A bigger factor: mental exhaustion due to me being a workaholic when it comes to everything NVDA. The events that led to the mishap described cannot be explained fully here, but what I can say is that as soon as graduate final exam is done this week and Windows App Essentials 22.06 is released next week, I’ll be looking for a great distraction from NVDA before I crash with mental exhaustion. This can partly explain why I’m not my usual self these days.

Cheers,

Joseph


locked Re: Saving Outlet

Sarah k Alawami
 

If your email is iMap no need to save, it will all be in the cloud, just put
in your info and it will all dl to your computer, or at least the headers
will. Then you can click the messages to have the pics and text dl as well.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jon W Parsons
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 6:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Saving Outlet

I am buying a new computer.
How do I backup and save my outlet program and all my messages so I can put
them on my new computer?


Re: CodeFactory Eloquence with NVDA 2022.1?

Sarah k Alawami
 

Can you update the add on from within the add on? that is, can I hit a button to go to the website where the update is? As I don’t think I’ve updated this thing in a year, when I bought this thing in July, ok, not quite a year, but soon enough.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Supanut Leepaisomboon
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 4:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] CodeFactory Eloquence with NVDA 2022.1?

 

A few days ago I submitted a ticket asking about exactly the same thing and they replied that they're working on it and that a new version should be out before the stable release of NVDA 2022.1.
Note this is the second time submitting a ticket about it; this time I chose the high priority. When I submitted a ticket first time I chose medium priority and got no response.
So...fingers cross for now and hope a new version of Codefactory is indeed released prior to the release of 2022.1 stable.


Add-on update notice: fixed Add-on Updater offering incompatible add-ons

 

Hi all,

Recently a number of add-ons were updated that require NVDA 2022.1, and these were approved for distribution on community add-ons website around 7:52 PM Pacific (UTC-7) on May 15, 2022. Around 1:11 AM on May 16th, I received a report from the add-ons list about compatibility messages with NVDA 2021.3.5 (the latest stable version as of time of this writing) and confirm that Add-on Updater was offering incompatible add-on updates to users. I have stopped Add-on Updater from offering add-on updates requiring NVDA 2022.1 around 1:36 AM Pacific.

While the update issue is resolved, I decided to inform you of what happened as Add-on Updater is my responsibility, and the described issue was part of a chain of events that led to folks experiencing confusion for a while. My sincerest apologies for this mishap.

P.S. A bigger factor: mental exhaustion due to me being a workaholic when it comes to everything NVDA. The events that led to the mishap described cannot be explained fully here, but what I can say is that as soon as graduate final exam is done this week and Windows App Essentials 22.06 is released next week, I’ll be looking for a great distraction from NVDA before I crash with mental exhaustion. This can partly explain why I’m not my usual self these days.

Cheers,

Joseph


locked Saving Outlet

Jon W Parsons
 

I am buying a new computer.
How do I backup and save my outlet program and all my messages so I can put
them on my new computer?


Re: NVDA repeating every Chinese character twice in Windows PowerShell

Rowen Cary
 

Hi,

Please check 'Use UI Automation to access the Windows Console when available' in the advanced settings panel.

On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 07:59 PM, William wrote:

Hello all,

  1. Open Windows PowerShell

  2. Run the following python script: print('測試用文字')

  3. When you press Enter, the first time nvda will say '測試用文字'

  4. But if I use review cursor to go back to that line of text, NVDA will say ''測測試試用用文文字字' which repeating every character twice.

I am testing this with NVDA 2022.1 RC1, without installing any addon

windows 10 home ed 21h2

I try doing the same thing in Windows terminal preview, but the Chinese characters are correctly reported.

Here I attach the respective debug log for your reference.

Thanks.

William

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