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Re: Add-on update notice: fixed Add-on Updater offering incompatible add-ons

Socheat
 

Hello,

 

The new addons updater can be downloaded from Joseph’s GitHub repository directly, or the easiest way is to obtain it from NVDA add-on repositories. here is the newest version from his github

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Ingram
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2022 4:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Add-on update notice: fixed Add-on Updater offering incompatible add-ons

 

Hi, Joseph, how are you?  Is there a most recent version of the ad-on updater for nvda, if there is, can you please tell me where i can get it?  I ask this question because i recently updated to windows 10 version 21h2 but i still  got an old update for an ad-on.  I also have the most recent version of nvda.  I hope that does help things.  I’d like to know if doing a remote session may solve the problem!  Thank you for any suggestions that you might have  concerning this problem.  Thank you.



On May 16, 2022, at 3:26 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

 

You know you really need to get someone else to manage the load if its that much.

I'm happy to get updates but they are not much good if the latest version is not out yet.

 

 

On 17/05/2022 2:44 am, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

Recently a number of add-ons were updated that require NVDA 2022.1, and these were approved for distribution on community add-ons website around 7:52 PM Pacific (UTC-7) on May 15, 2022. Around 1:11 AM on May 16th, I received a report from the add-ons list about compatibility messages with NVDA 2021.3.5 (the latest stable version as of time of this writing) and confirm that Add-on Updater was offering incompatible add-on updates to users. I have stopped Add-on Updater from offering add-on updates requiring NVDA 2022.1 around 1:36 AM Pacific.

While the update issue is resolved, I decided to inform you of what happened as Add-on Updater is my responsibility, and the described issue was part of a chain of events that led to folks experiencing confusion for a while. My sincerest apologies for this mishap.

P.S. A bigger factor: mental exhaustion due to me being a workaholic when it comes to everything NVDA. The events that led to the mishap described cannot be explained fully here, but what I can say is that as soon as graduate final exam is done this week and Windows App Essentials 22.06 is released next week, I’ll be looking for a great distraction from NVDA before I crash with mental exhaustion. This can partly explain why I’m not my usual self these days.

Cheers,

Joseph

 


Re: Add-on update notice: fixed Add-on Updater offering incompatible add-ons

David Ingram
 

Hi, Joseph, how are you?  Is there a most recent version of the ad-on updater for nvda, if there is, can you please tell me where i can get it?  I ask this question because i recently updated to windows 10 version 21h2 but i still  got an old update for an ad-on.  I also have the most recent version of nvda.  I hope that does help things.  I’d like to know if doing a remote session may solve the problem!  Thank you for any suggestions that you might have  concerning this problem.  Thank you.

On May 16, 2022, at 3:26 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

You know you really need to get someone else to manage the load if its that much.

I'm happy to get updates but they are not much good if the latest version is not out yet.



On 17/05/2022 2:44 am, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

Recently a number of add-ons were updated that require NVDA 2022.1, and these were approved for distribution on community add-ons website around 7:52 PM Pacific (UTC-7) on May 15, 2022. Around 1:11 AM on May 16th, I received a report from the add-ons list about compatibility messages with NVDA 2021.3.5 (the latest stable version as of time of this writing) and confirm that Add-on Updater was offering incompatible add-on updates to users. I have stopped Add-on Updater from offering add-on updates requiring NVDA 2022.1 around 1:36 AM Pacific.

While the update issue is resolved, I decided to inform you of what happened as Add-on Updater is my responsibility, and the described issue was part of a chain of events that led to folks experiencing confusion for a while. My sincerest apologies for this mishap.

P.S. A bigger factor: mental exhaustion due to me being a workaholic when it comes to everything NVDA. The events that led to the mishap described cannot be explained fully here, but what I can say is that as soon as graduate final exam is done this week and Windows App Essentials 22.06 is released next week, I’ll be looking for a great distraction from NVDA before I crash with mental exhaustion. This can partly explain why I’m not my usual self these days.

Cheers,

Joseph



Re: accessibility of Libre Office

Gabriele Battaglia
 

Thank you Richard, your suggestions improved my using of Libre Office.

Gabe.


Re: NVDA repeating every Chinese character twice in Windows PowerShell

William
 

Oh, thanks very much. After checking this item, the problem disappear.



Rowen Cary 於 16/5/2022 21:49 寫道:

Hi,

Please check 'Use UI Automation to access the Windows Console when available' in the advanced settings panel.

On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 07:59 PM, William wrote:

Hello all,

  1. Open Windows PowerShell

  2. Run the following python script: print('測試用文字')

  3. When you press Enter, the first time nvda will say '測試用文字'

  4. But if I use review cursor to go back to that line of text, NVDA will say ''測測試試用用文文字字' which repeating every character twice.

I am testing this with NVDA 2022.1 RC1, without installing any addon

windows 10 home ed 21h2

I try doing the same thing in Windows terminal preview, but the Chinese characters are correctly reported.

Here I attach the respective debug log for your reference.

Thanks.

William


Re: Man or woman. really strange.

Betsy Grenevitch
 

Oh, that is funny. Thanks for sharing. It was great to see you there tonight.


Take care and get some sleep.

On 5/16/2022 10:27 PM, Penny Golden wrote:

I upgraded to a newer version of NVDA.  But I am also going to upgrade the computer in a few days. Nevertheless, listen to this one.

We use a talk-client, I forget the name.  But it's really well-known.  I used it with Win-eyes, and with the 2015 NVDA. Tonight I went to the I C C, and there were five in the meeting.

Before it would list the name and wouldn't say anything, unless, perhaps, Penny, Away.

Now for each, it told me whether they were Man or Woman.

Betsy, Man; Jack, Man; Lenore, Woman; Marsha, Man; Penny, Man.

Has anyone seen such interesting behavior?

It sure doesn't matter, since no one else sees this.  It's just my NVDA that does it. But I'm upgrading to a new computer; so I'll probably just have new questions for you then.


Best,

Penny





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Man or woman. really strange.

Penny Golden <pengold2@...>
 

I upgraded to a newer version of NVDA.  But I am also going to upgrade the computer in a few days. Nevertheless, listen to this one.

We use a talk-client, I forget the name.  But it's really well-known.  I used it with Win-eyes, and with the 2015 NVDA. Tonight I went to the I C C, and there were five in the meeting.

Before it would list the name and wouldn't say anything, unless, perhaps, Penny, Away.

Now for each, it told me whether they were Man or Woman.

Betsy, Man; Jack, Man; Lenore, Woman; Marsha, Man; Penny, Man.

Has anyone seen such interesting behavior?

It sure doesn't matter, since no one else sees this.  It's just my NVDA that does it. But I'm upgrading to a new computer; so I'll probably just have new questions for you then.


Best,

Penny


Using Tableau with NVDA

Johnnie Giang Nguyen
 

Hi all,


I have to use tableau for data visualization course but I am not sure if it is works well with NVDA or not.

Has anyone used Tableau with NVDA before? Is it accessible? Are there any tips and tricks?


Cheers


Re: Add-on update notice: fixed Add-on Updater offering incompatible add-ons

 

Hi,

It is likely that you've installed an add-on release that is newer than the one offered on community add-ons website. I advise contacting the add-on developer about this issue unless it happens to be one of my own add-ons.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Add-on update notice: fixed Add-on Updater offering incompatible add-ons

David Ingram
 

Hi, how are you?  This is David Ingram, i’m writing because I’m still having a problem with the ad-on updater concerning not updating to the latest ad-on but still reverting to an older ad-on.  This is strange  because i’ve updated to a newer version of windows 10 befor going to windows 11.  If i’m not mistaken  this is windows 10 21h2.  I’m not sure why i still have this problem with the nvda  ad-on updater.  thank you for any information that you  might be able to provide concerning this issue.

On May 16, 2022, at 9:44 AM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi all,
Recently a number of add-ons were updated that require NVDA 2022.1, and these were approved for distribution on community add-ons website around 7:52 PM Pacific (UTC-7) on May 15, 2022. Around 1:11 AM on May 16th, I received a report from the add-ons list about compatibility messages with NVDA 2021.3.5 (the latest stable version as of time of this writing) and confirm that Add-on Updater was offering incompatible add-on updates to users. I have stopped Add-on Updater from offering add-on updates requiring NVDA 2022.1 around 1:36 AM Pacific.
While the update issue is resolved, I decided to inform you of what happened as Add-on Updater is my responsibility, and the described issue was part of a chain of events that led to folks experiencing confusion for a while. My sincerest apologies for this mishap.
P.S. A bigger factor: mental exhaustion due to me being a workaholic when it comes to everything NVDA. The events that led to the mishap described cannot be explained fully here, but what I can say is that as soon as graduate final exam is done this week and Windows App Essentials 22.06 is released next week, I’ll be looking for a great distraction from NVDA before I crash with mental exhaustion. This can partly explain why I’m not my usual self these days.
Cheers,
Joseph


Re: Add-on update notice: fixed Add-on Updater offering incompatible add-ons

Jackie
 

When you're young, you think you're immortal, invincible, God only
wise, to quote the hymn. When you get old, you know better. Not a
specific "you" but a generalized "you".

To Joseph I say, if you wanna do something, do it. If not, do like the
Frozen song says & just "Let It Go!" Because the truth is, straddling
the fence is uncomfortable, not to mention hurts--a lot. Whatever you
do, good luck & much success.

On 5/16/22, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
Hi,

What is for certain is that I'm definitely devoting June to something other
than writing Python (for once in quite some time). As far as NVDA code
contribution goes, I submitted what might be my last pull request last week
(a possible solution to let mouse and touch users navigate and interact with
Windows 11 UI elements on screen). I'm half-tempted to flat out ask NV
Access to take Add-on Updater and Windows App Essentials under their wings
so I can (finally) cleanly depart this project (for now).

The workload I'm involved (or thought about) are:

1. Add-on authorship and maintenance
2. Reviewing add-ons from the community
3. Look for Windows 10/11/Insider Preview accessibility and usability issues
for screen reader users
4. Carefully guide the community toward long-term goals, or for that matter,
slowly prepare the community for post-NVDA era (yes, that's slowly coming).
While I cannot go into specifics, I imagine a day when academic researchers
will "unearth" NVDA source code and try to figure out what's going on (the
process for preparing for such a scenario isn't trivial, requiring changing
the mindset of contributors, and to some degree, add-ons community; won't go
into details now but perhaps find a time to talk about it soon).

Hope this helps.

Cheers,

Joseph





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Re: Odd E-mails From NVDA List

 

Regardless of where they are actually coming from, it's not Groups.io (or at least the NVDA list).  Every message handled is logged, even those that are rejected (and, believe me, spammers target all mailing lists, so we have plenty of rejections) and there is nothing in the log that matches any part of the email address provided.
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Re: Odd E-mails From NVDA List

Jackie
 

This is an Argentinian pharmaceutical company. So I doubt you'd find
it here. I'm rather suspecting that this email has been spoofed, but,
seriously, you need to provide message headers to someone
knowledgeable regarding their interpretation.

On 5/16/22, Jackie via groups.io <abletec@...> wrote:
I've never seen an email, either in my spam folder or inbox, from that
address, whether on or off this list.

Do you know how to check message headers?

On 5/16/22, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:
Hi Group,

I don't know if this is Spam or something odd is happening. I am getting
an e-mail in foreign language from the following e-mail address
appearing on this list.
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It appears to be in response to some messages I send, but I can't
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Re: Odd E-mails From NVDA List

Jackie
 

I've never seen an email, either in my spam folder or inbox, from that
address, whether on or off this list.

Do you know how to check message headers?

On 5/16/22, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:
Hi Group,

I don't know if this is Spam or something odd is happening. I am getting
an e-mail in foreign language from the following e-mail address
appearing on this list.
vigilancia@...

It appears to be in response to some messages I send, but I can't
understand the language.

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Odd E-mails From NVDA List

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

I don't know if this is Spam or something odd is happening. I am getting an e-mail in foreign language from the following e-mail address appearing on this list.
vigilancia@...

It appears to be in response to some messages I send, but I can't understand the language.

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For a nation to claim it has always been great, needs no improvement and to cling to its past achievements is no virtue!


Re: Add-on update notice: fixed Add-on Updater offering incompatible add-ons

 

Hi,

What is for certain is that I'm definitely devoting June to something other than writing Python (for once in quite some time). As far as NVDA code contribution goes, I submitted what might be my last pull request last week (a possible solution to let mouse and touch users navigate and interact with Windows 11 UI elements on screen). I'm half-tempted to flat out ask NV Access to take Add-on Updater and Windows App Essentials under their wings so I can (finally) cleanly depart this project (for now).

The workload I'm involved (or thought about) are:

  1. Add-on authorship and maintenance
  2. Reviewing add-ons from the community
  3. Look for Windows 10/11/Insider Preview accessibility and usability issues for screen reader users
  4. Carefully guide the community toward long-term goals, or for that matter, slowly prepare the community for post-NVDA era (yes, that's slowly coming). While I cannot go into specifics, I imagine a day when academic researchers will "unearth" NVDA source code and try to figure out what's going on (the process for preparing for such a scenario isn't trivial, requiring changing the mindset of contributors, and to some degree, add-ons community; won't go into details now but perhaps find a time to talk about it soon).

Hope this helps.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Add-on update notice: fixed Add-on Updater offering incompatible add-ons

 

As an asside I have reinstalled 14.7 and rechecked and yeah no longer getting stuff that will not work with my version anymore.


On 17/05/2022 8:26 am, Shaun Everiss wrote:

You know you really need to get someone else to manage the load if its that much.

I'm happy to get updates but they are not much good if the latest version is not out yet.



On 17/05/2022 2:44 am, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

Recently a number of add-ons were updated that require NVDA 2022.1, and these were approved for distribution on community add-ons website around 7:52 PM Pacific (UTC-7) on May 15, 2022. Around 1:11 AM on May 16th, I received a report from the add-ons list about compatibility messages with NVDA 2021.3.5 (the latest stable version as of time of this writing) and confirm that Add-on Updater was offering incompatible add-on updates to users. I have stopped Add-on Updater from offering add-on updates requiring NVDA 2022.1 around 1:36 AM Pacific.

While the update issue is resolved, I decided to inform you of what happened as Add-on Updater is my responsibility, and the described issue was part of a chain of events that led to folks experiencing confusion for a while. My sincerest apologies for this mishap.

P.S. A bigger factor: mental exhaustion due to me being a workaholic when it comes to everything NVDA. The events that led to the mishap described cannot be explained fully here, but what I can say is that as soon as graduate final exam is done this week and Windows App Essentials 22.06 is released next week, I’ll be looking for a great distraction from NVDA before I crash with mental exhaustion. This can partly explain why I’m not my usual self these days.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Add-on update notice: fixed Add-on Updater offering incompatible add-ons

 

On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 11:16 AM, Janet Brandly wrote:
We appreciate all the work you do. You definitely deserve a long disconnected vacation.
-
Amen to both of those sentiments, Janet!

I've been telling Joseph for some time now that he needs to stop talking about ceasing involvement with NVDA development and actually cease it.  And that's not because there is not an immense well of respect for him and all the work he has done.  No one is obligated to sacrifice their entire lives even to projects about which they are enthusiastic and devoted.  Passing the torch is a natural thing.

Joseph, best of luck getting through finals.  My last round of dealing with that was in the late 1990s when I was in a graduate program where I took all 4 years of undergraduate core courses in the first year and then entered into the usual graduate curriculum for the following two years.  Grad school is exhausting.
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Re: Add-on update notice: fixed Add-on Updater offering incompatible add-ons

 

You know you really need to get someone else to manage the load if its that much.

I'm happy to get updates but they are not much good if the latest version is not out yet.



On 17/05/2022 2:44 am, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

Recently a number of add-ons were updated that require NVDA 2022.1, and these were approved for distribution on community add-ons website around 7:52 PM Pacific (UTC-7) on May 15, 2022. Around 1:11 AM on May 16th, I received a report from the add-ons list about compatibility messages with NVDA 2021.3.5 (the latest stable version as of time of this writing) and confirm that Add-on Updater was offering incompatible add-on updates to users. I have stopped Add-on Updater from offering add-on updates requiring NVDA 2022.1 around 1:36 AM Pacific.

While the update issue is resolved, I decided to inform you of what happened as Add-on Updater is my responsibility, and the described issue was part of a chain of events that led to folks experiencing confusion for a while. My sincerest apologies for this mishap.

P.S. A bigger factor: mental exhaustion due to me being a workaholic when it comes to everything NVDA. The events that led to the mishap described cannot be explained fully here, but what I can say is that as soon as graduate final exam is done this week and Windows App Essentials 22.06 is released next week, I’ll be looking for a great distraction from NVDA before I crash with mental exhaustion. This can partly explain why I’m not my usual self these days.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: accessibility of Libre Office

Luke Davis
 

Richard B. McDonald wrote:

Make sure that you have installed and are always running the Java Access Bridge.
Do you still find that necessary? NVDA has included JAVA Access Bridge for about two and a half years now. My understanding is that you shouldn't need to take any action. If you do, perhaps a bug report is in order.

From the 2019.3 changelog:

- The Java Access Bridge is now included with NVDA to enable access to Java applications, including for 64 bit Java VMs. (#7724)
- If the Java Access Bridge is not enabled for the user, NVDA automatically enables it at NVDA startup. (#7952)

Luke


Re: accessibility of Libre Office

Richard B. McDonald
 

Hi!

 

LO is *mostly* accessible.  Presently, work is underway at both LO and NVDA to make it more so.  Make sure that you are always running the latest versions of LO and NVDA since these accessibility improvements are rolling out progressively.  Make sure that you have installed and are always running the Java Access Bridge.  There are a bunch of help files for keyboard shortcut keys for LO “Calc,” “Writer” and so on available.  Following are a couple of specific things:

 

1.            In all applications (Writer, Calc, etc.), under the “View” menu uncheck the option to show the “Sidebar.”  The Sidebar is an alternative way of navigating around the active document.  It is not necessary.  When pressing F6 to cycle through the menu bar, tool bars and the active document itself, the Sidebar will therefore be removed from that cycle.

 

2.            In Writer, it helps to go to View>User Interface and check the radio button labeled "Contextual Single."

 

HTH,

Richard

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 11:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] accessibility of Libre Office

 

How accessible is it with NVDA?  Would I need to install anything more to make it accessible?

 

Thanks, I am only doing this to try to help my wife figure out a problem she is having.

 

 

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