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NVDA doesn’t honor verbosities settings when selecting text

Luke Robinett
 

I find that when I hold down shift and use the cursor keys to select text, NVDA doesn’t use the same verbosity settings as when I am just navigating around. For example, I’ve got a snippet of code in front of me now. I have NVDA set only to beep for indents, not announce them. This works as expected when I move about using the arrow keys, but when I hold down shift and use the up and down arrow keys to select text one line at a time, NVDA announces the tab characters. For heavily indented lines of code, it gets tedious to listen to this when I just want to hear the actual content of that line When I’m selecting text. Is there any way to control this?


locked Re: Trouble with Groups.io

Gene
 

I saw your message stating that you aren't receiving a logon link that you sent to another list.  That is why I said you need to finish setting up your account.  You need to be able to log into your account if problems like this exist and you say you can't now.

Gene

On 5/17/2022 10:12 AM, Dave Grossoehme wrote:

Thank you for responding quickly.  I'm receiving messages from the NVDA@nvda.groups.io and the blind handyman group and blind tech email list which are all on groups.io.  But can not receive a link from groups.io in order to log in to the web page.

Dave


On 5/17/2022 11:04 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
As a side note, although this is not in the group rules, I have often mentioned that the occasional question about Groups.io itself, and how to use the service or problems with it, are OK.  If you can't get a mailing list service to work (regardless of which one) there's no point in having it.

The above having been said, if you have suddenly stopped receiving Groups.io messages, whether individual messages, digests, etc., that you have been receiving for years and have not received any notices from Groups.io either immediately prior to or after this happening, I'd be getting in touch with your email service provider to see if they can figure out if there is an issue on their end.

If you check with friends/acquaintances that you know from Groups.io groups, and confirm that they're still getting messages, then you can be quite certain that Groups.io itself has not suffered an outage.  And if there's no Groups.io outage, and your message spigot seems to have been turned off, it's not likely to have occurred other than on the receiving end, that of your email service provider, rather than the sending end.
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locked Re: Trouble with Groups.io

Gene
 

I'm not writing this to give you a hard time, but you do need to finish setting up your account.  It isn't a question of how often you use the site.  You regularly use the groups and without a password, you cannot efficiently ddeal with problems even if they occur rarely. 

It is no more difficult finishing signing up than it is for any other typical site.  You evidently were bouncing.  I haven't had enough bouncing problems to recall just what needs to be done.  I think that if you have been bouncing, there is one unbounce link you work with to unbounce your account, not every list separately.  If you were bouncing, you should have gotten an unbounce link.  If you don't see one either in your regular mail or in your spam filter, I believe you can unbounce yourself in the your account which you need to be signed in to access.

I think even using the unbounce link requires you to sign into your account to be unbounced  once you follow it.

Gene

On 5/17/2022 9:49 AM, Dave Grossoehme wrote:
Hi:  I know this should be on the chat group, but I have had a problem with my email.  I didn't receive messages for about 24 hours.  I had my son's help to get messages back for the nvda email, otherwise I wouldn't be writing this message.  I am questioning if I have been blocked out of my email address for that reason from groups.  I can't even get a link sent to me to get on the groups.io.  I don't use the groups.io web site enough to have a password for them.  Can anyone help here, as far as a hint to get to where I can resubscribe to the group emails that I have been on from groups.io for several years?

Dave







.


locked Re: Trouble with Groups.io

 

On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 11:12 AM, Dave Grossoehme wrote:
But can not receive a link from groups.io in order to log in to the web page.
-
Dave,

I have documented how to get yourself (the generic you) setup to be able to log in to the Groups.io website in:  Establishing a Groups.io Website Account Password If You’ve Been an E-Mail Only User (docx)  as well as how to change your email address for all groups.io groups you're already subscribed to, in one fell swoop, using the web interface to do so:  Changing the Email Address for Your Groups.io Account (docx)

 


So there are both tutorials posted again. 
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locked Re: Trouble with Groups.io

Jackie
 

They'll send you a password reset link if you just go to the groups.io
website & tell em you forgot your pw. Then you can log in. Probly the
easiest way.

On 5/17/22, Dave Grossoehme <dave@...> wrote:
Thank you for responding quickly.  I'm receiving messages from the
NVDA@nvda.groups.io and the blind handyman group and blind tech email
list which are all on groups.io.  But can not receive a link from
groups.io in order to log in to the web page.

Dave


On 5/17/2022 11:04 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
As a side note, although this is not in the group rules, I have often
mentioned that the occasional question about Groups.io itself, and how
to use the service or problems with it, are OK. If you can't get a
mailing list service to work (regardless of which one) there's no
point in having it.

The above having been said, if you have suddenly stopped receiving
Groups.io messages, whether individual messages, digests, etc., that
you have been receiving for years and have not received any notices
from Groups.io either immediately prior to or after this happening,
I'd be getting in touch with your email service provider to see if
they can figure out if there is an issue on their end.

If you check with friends/acquaintances that you know from Groups.io
groups, and confirm that they're still getting messages, then you can
be quite certain that Groups.io itself has not suffered an outage.
And if there's no Groups.io outage, and your message spigot seems to
have been turned off, it's not likely to have occurred other than on
the receiving end, that of your email service provider, rather than
the sending end.
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by ignoring them.
/*     ~ Ursula LeGuin, /The Dispossessed/





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locked Re: Trouble with Groups.io

Dave Grossoehme
 

Thank you for responding quickly.  I'm receiving messages from the NVDA@nvda.groups.io and the blind handyman group and blind tech email list which are all on groups.io.  But can not receive a link from groups.io in order to log in to the web page.

Dave


On 5/17/2022 11:04 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
As a side note, although this is not in the group rules, I have often mentioned that the occasional question about Groups.io itself, and how to use the service or problems with it, are OK.  If you can't get a mailing list service to work (regardless of which one) there's no point in having it.

The above having been said, if you have suddenly stopped receiving Groups.io messages, whether individual messages, digests, etc., that you have been receiving for years and have not received any notices from Groups.io either immediately prior to or after this happening, I'd be getting in touch with your email service provider to see if they can figure out if there is an issue on their end.

If you check with friends/acquaintances that you know from Groups.io groups, and confirm that they're still getting messages, then you can be quite certain that Groups.io itself has not suffered an outage.  And if there's no Groups.io outage, and your message spigot seems to have been turned off, it's not likely to have occurred other than on the receiving end, that of your email service provider, rather than the sending end.
--

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You can't crush ideas by suppressing them. You can only crush them by ignoring them.
     ~ Ursula LeGuin, The Dispossessed


locked Re: Trouble with Groups.io

 

As a side note, although this is not in the group rules, I have often mentioned that the occasional question about Groups.io itself, and how to use the service or problems with it, are OK.  If you can't get a mailing list service to work (regardless of which one) there's no point in having it.

The above having been said, if you have suddenly stopped receiving Groups.io messages, whether individual messages, digests, etc., that you have been receiving for years and have not received any notices from Groups.io either immediately prior to or after this happening, I'd be getting in touch with your email service provider to see if they can figure out if there is an issue on their end.

If you check with friends/acquaintances that you know from Groups.io groups, and confirm that they're still getting messages, then you can be quite certain that Groups.io itself has not suffered an outage.  And if there's no Groups.io outage, and your message spigot seems to have been turned off, it's not likely to have occurred other than on the receiving end, that of your email service provider, rather than the sending end.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

You can't crush ideas by suppressing them. You can only crush them by ignoring them.
     ~ Ursula LeGuin, The Dispossessed


locked Re: Trouble with Groups.io

Chris Smart
 

We got your post, so presumably, things are working fine.

If something happens and emails from groups.io bounce, you will get a message from them with a link to follow to unbounce your account.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Grossoehme
Sent: May 17, 2022 10:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Trouble with Groups.io

Hi: I know this should be on the chat group, but I have had a problem with my email. I didn't receive messages for about 24 hours. I had my son's help to get messages back for the nvda email, otherwise I wouldn't be writing this message. I am questioning if I have been blocked out of my email address for that reason from groups. I can't even get a link sent to me to get on the groups.io. I don't use the groups.io web site enough to have a password for them. Can anyone help here, as far as a hint to get to where I can resubscribe to the group emails that I have been on from groups.io for several years?

Dave


locked Trouble with Groups.io

Dave Grossoehme
 

Hi:  I know this should be on the chat group, but I have had a problem with my email.  I didn't receive messages for about 24 hours.  I had my son's help to get messages back for the nvda email, otherwise I wouldn't be writing this message.  I am questioning if I have been blocked out of my email address for that reason from groups.  I can't even get a link sent to me to get on the groups.io.  I don't use the groups.io web site enough to have a password for them.  Can anyone help here, as far as a hint to get to where I can resubscribe to the group emails that I have been on from groups.io for several years?

Dave


Re: accessibility of Libre Office

Richard B. McDonald
 

Hi Luke!

I did not know this. I stand corrected. Thanks for letting me know of
this!

Bye,
Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 1:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessibility of Libre Office

Richard B. McDonald wrote:

Make sure that you have installed and are always running the Java Access
Bridge.

Do you still find that necessary? NVDA has included JAVA Access Bridge for
about two and a half years now. My understanding is that you shouldn't need
to take any action. If you do, perhaps a bug report is in order.

From the 2019.3 changelog:

- The Java Access Bridge is now included with NVDA to enable access to Java
applications, including for 64 bit Java VMs. (#7724)
- If the Java Access Bridge is not enabled for the user, NVDA automatically
enables it at NVDA startup. (#7952)

Luke


Re: accessibility of Libre Office

Richard B. McDonald
 

Hi Gabe!

I am glad to help. Incidentally, I have read that having only one toolbar showing also improves accessibility. In LO (e.g., Calc, Writer, etc.), the default is to have like three toolbars showing. There is an option to have only one show; which such one can be chosen. I have not tested this, but it sure makes sense. Basically, as with the sidebar, it lessens the clutter onscreen and reduces the number of toggles needed to move through the active sections of the screen via F6. Might you try this out and let us know how it goes?

Bye,
Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gabriele Battaglia via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2022 12:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessibility of Libre Office

Thank you Richard, your suggestions improved my using of Libre Office.

Gabe.


Re: repeat for the dufus, please?

Penny Golden <pengold2@...>
 

I don't know just what happened, Gene, but I thank you for giving me the NVDA Control C, which I have just invoked.

And I'll say as Robert frost said about something totally other: stay until our backs are turned.

Thanks again, all.



On 5/17/2022 7:44 AM, Gene wrote:
You may have inadvertently undone the change.   Do the following to change the setting and then the following to make sure the setting is permanently saved.
Open document formatting with control NVDA d.
Tab to block quote, which is a check box and uncheck it with the space bar.
Press enter.  The dialog will close and the change will be made.
Then permanently save the change with control NVDA key c.

NVDA is set by default to permanently save changes when the program closes or you close it in some way.  That includes if you shut down or reboot while NVDA is running.
but you can permanently save a setting manually with the command I gave, control NVDA key c.

There is a command to revert to the saved configuration, control  NVDA r.  If you issue that command and a setting isn't permanently saved, it will go back to what it was before.
My guess is that you inadvertently issued that command.

Gene

On 5/17/2022 6:26 AM, Penny Golden wrote:

How do I get the NVDA to not say paragraph block, or whatever that is. I did it the other day; then it disappeared and we're back to it. But I have searched the help as much as I can, and I cannot find that part where we get to send our preferences to the program.

I even went back into the trash to find the email; but I just cannot find it.

I'll try to be more diligent in the future. Or someone will have me writing the command 500 times on the blackboard.

Seven more days of school.







.



Re: repeat for the dufus, please?

Penny Golden <pengold2@...>
 

Thanks so much. that is it.  I was looking in the nvda-N place.

Thanks.

I really need an elf reading over my shoulder.

(Smiles.)

On 5/17/2022 7:08 AM, Socheat wrote:
Hi,

I believe you can turn off report paragraph indentation in the document formatting settings dialogue. Ctrl+NVDA+D

Hope this helps.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Penny Golden
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2022 6:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] repeat for the dufus, please?


How do I get the NVDA to not say paragraph block, or whatever that is. I did it the other day; then it disappeared and we're back to it. But I have searched the help as much as I can, and I cannot find that part where we get to send our preferences to the program.

I even went back into the trash to find the email; but I just cannot find it.

I'll try to be more diligent in the future. Or someone will have me writing the command 500 times on the blackboard.

Seven more days of school.













Re: repeat for the dufus, please?

Gene
 

You may have inadvertently undone the change.   Do the following to change the setting and then the following to make sure the setting is permanently saved.
Open document formatting with control NVDA d.
Tab to block quote, which is a check box and uncheck it with the space bar.
Press enter.  The dialog will close and the change will be made.
Then permanently save the change with control NVDA key c.

NVDA is set by default to permanently save changes when the program closes or you close it in some way.  That includes if you shut down or reboot while NVDA is running.
but you can permanently save a setting manually with the command I gave, control NVDA key c.

There is a command to revert to the saved configuration, control  NVDA r.  If you issue that command and a setting isn't permanently saved, it will go back to what it was before.
My guess is that you inadvertently issued that command.

Gene

On 5/17/2022 6:26 AM, Penny Golden wrote:

How do I get the NVDA to not say paragraph block, or whatever that is. I did it the other day; then it disappeared and we're back to it. But I have searched the help as much as I can, and I cannot find that part where we get to send our preferences to the program.

I even went back into the trash to find the email; but I just cannot find it.

I'll try to be more diligent in the future. Or someone will have me writing the command 500 times on the blackboard.

Seven more days of school.







.


Re: repeat for the dufus, please?

Socheat
 

Hi,

I believe you can turn off report paragraph indentation in the document formatting settings dialogue. Ctrl+NVDA+D

Hope this helps.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Penny Golden
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2022 6:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] repeat for the dufus, please?


How do I get the NVDA to not say paragraph block, or whatever that is. I did it the other day; then it disappeared and we're back to it. But I have searched the help as much as I can, and I cannot find that part where we get to send our preferences to the program.

I even went back into the trash to find the email; but I just cannot find it.

I'll try to be more diligent in the future. Or someone will have me writing the command 500 times on the blackboard.

Seven more days of school.


Re: Add-on update notice: fixed Add-on Updater offering incompatible add-ons

 

Hi,

If you have Add-on Updater 22.03.1, then you have the latest Add-on Updater installed.

I get a hunch that you are talking about a different add-on - perhaps Windows App Essentials? If yes, the latest version of that add-on is 22.05. If you are using an older release and Add-on Updater is not offering newer releases, chances are that Add-on Updater is told to not check for updates to add-ons (NVDA menu/Preferences/Settings, Add-on Updater, review "do not update add-ons" list). Both Add-o Updater and Windows App Essentials support Windows 10 Version 21H2 and NVDA 2022.1.

Cheers,

Joseph


repeat for the dufus, please?

Penny Golden <pengold2@...>
 

How do I get the NVDA to not say paragraph block, or whatever that is. I did it the other day; then it disappeared and we're back to it. But I have searched the help as much as I can, and I cannot find that part where we get to send our preferences to the program.

I even went back into the trash to find the email; but I just cannot find it.

I'll try to be more diligent in the future. Or someone will have me writing the command 500 times on the blackboard.

Seven more days of school.


Re: Add-on update notice: fixed Add-on Updater offering incompatible add-ons

Socheat
 

Hello,

 

The new addons updater can be downloaded from Joseph’s GitHub repository directly, or the easiest way is to obtain it from NVDA add-on repositories. here is the newest version from his github

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Ingram
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2022 4:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Add-on update notice: fixed Add-on Updater offering incompatible add-ons

 

Hi, Joseph, how are you?  Is there a most recent version of the ad-on updater for nvda, if there is, can you please tell me where i can get it?  I ask this question because i recently updated to windows 10 version 21h2 but i still  got an old update for an ad-on.  I also have the most recent version of nvda.  I hope that does help things.  I’d like to know if doing a remote session may solve the problem!  Thank you for any suggestions that you might have  concerning this problem.  Thank you.



On May 16, 2022, at 3:26 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

 

You know you really need to get someone else to manage the load if its that much.

I'm happy to get updates but they are not much good if the latest version is not out yet.

 

 

On 17/05/2022 2:44 am, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

Recently a number of add-ons were updated that require NVDA 2022.1, and these were approved for distribution on community add-ons website around 7:52 PM Pacific (UTC-7) on May 15, 2022. Around 1:11 AM on May 16th, I received a report from the add-ons list about compatibility messages with NVDA 2021.3.5 (the latest stable version as of time of this writing) and confirm that Add-on Updater was offering incompatible add-on updates to users. I have stopped Add-on Updater from offering add-on updates requiring NVDA 2022.1 around 1:36 AM Pacific.

While the update issue is resolved, I decided to inform you of what happened as Add-on Updater is my responsibility, and the described issue was part of a chain of events that led to folks experiencing confusion for a while. My sincerest apologies for this mishap.

P.S. A bigger factor: mental exhaustion due to me being a workaholic when it comes to everything NVDA. The events that led to the mishap described cannot be explained fully here, but what I can say is that as soon as graduate final exam is done this week and Windows App Essentials 22.06 is released next week, I’ll be looking for a great distraction from NVDA before I crash with mental exhaustion. This can partly explain why I’m not my usual self these days.

Cheers,

Joseph

 


Re: Add-on update notice: fixed Add-on Updater offering incompatible add-ons

David Ingram
 

Hi, Joseph, how are you?  Is there a most recent version of the ad-on updater for nvda, if there is, can you please tell me where i can get it?  I ask this question because i recently updated to windows 10 version 21h2 but i still  got an old update for an ad-on.  I also have the most recent version of nvda.  I hope that does help things.  I’d like to know if doing a remote session may solve the problem!  Thank you for any suggestions that you might have  concerning this problem.  Thank you.

On May 16, 2022, at 3:26 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

You know you really need to get someone else to manage the load if its that much.

I'm happy to get updates but they are not much good if the latest version is not out yet.



On 17/05/2022 2:44 am, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

Recently a number of add-ons were updated that require NVDA 2022.1, and these were approved for distribution on community add-ons website around 7:52 PM Pacific (UTC-7) on May 15, 2022. Around 1:11 AM on May 16th, I received a report from the add-ons list about compatibility messages with NVDA 2021.3.5 (the latest stable version as of time of this writing) and confirm that Add-on Updater was offering incompatible add-on updates to users. I have stopped Add-on Updater from offering add-on updates requiring NVDA 2022.1 around 1:36 AM Pacific.

While the update issue is resolved, I decided to inform you of what happened as Add-on Updater is my responsibility, and the described issue was part of a chain of events that led to folks experiencing confusion for a while. My sincerest apologies for this mishap.

P.S. A bigger factor: mental exhaustion due to me being a workaholic when it comes to everything NVDA. The events that led to the mishap described cannot be explained fully here, but what I can say is that as soon as graduate final exam is done this week and Windows App Essentials 22.06 is released next week, I’ll be looking for a great distraction from NVDA before I crash with mental exhaustion. This can partly explain why I’m not my usual self these days.

Cheers,

Joseph



Re: accessibility of Libre Office

Gabriele Battaglia
 

Thank you Richard, your suggestions improved my using of Libre Office.

Gabe.

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