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locked Trouble with Groups.io

Dave Grossoehme
 

Hi:  I know this should be on the chat group, but I have had a problem with my email.  I didn't receive messages for about 24 hours.  I had my son's help to get messages back for the nvda email, otherwise I wouldn't be writing this message.  I am questioning if I have been blocked out of my email address for that reason from groups.  I can't even get a link sent to me to get on the groups.io.  I don't use the groups.io web site enough to have a password for them.  Can anyone help here, as far as a hint to get to where I can resubscribe to the group emails that I have been on from groups.io for several years?

Dave


Re: accessibility of Libre Office

Richard B. McDonald
 

Hi Luke!

I did not know this. I stand corrected. Thanks for letting me know of
this!

Bye,
Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 1:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessibility of Libre Office

Richard B. McDonald wrote:

Make sure that you have installed and are always running the Java Access
Bridge.

Do you still find that necessary? NVDA has included JAVA Access Bridge for
about two and a half years now. My understanding is that you shouldn't need
to take any action. If you do, perhaps a bug report is in order.

From the 2019.3 changelog:

- The Java Access Bridge is now included with NVDA to enable access to Java
applications, including for 64 bit Java VMs. (#7724)
- If the Java Access Bridge is not enabled for the user, NVDA automatically
enables it at NVDA startup. (#7952)

Luke


Re: accessibility of Libre Office

Richard B. McDonald
 

Hi Gabe!

I am glad to help. Incidentally, I have read that having only one toolbar showing also improves accessibility. In LO (e.g., Calc, Writer, etc.), the default is to have like three toolbars showing. There is an option to have only one show; which such one can be chosen. I have not tested this, but it sure makes sense. Basically, as with the sidebar, it lessens the clutter onscreen and reduces the number of toggles needed to move through the active sections of the screen via F6. Might you try this out and let us know how it goes?

Bye,
Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gabriele Battaglia via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2022 12:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessibility of Libre Office

Thank you Richard, your suggestions improved my using of Libre Office.

Gabe.


Re: repeat for the dufus, please?

Penny Golden <pengold2@...>
 

I don't know just what happened, Gene, but I thank you for giving me the NVDA Control C, which I have just invoked.

And I'll say as Robert frost said about something totally other: stay until our backs are turned.

Thanks again, all.



On 5/17/2022 7:44 AM, Gene wrote:

You may have inadvertently undone the change.   Do the following to change the setting and then the following to make sure the setting is permanently saved.
Open document formatting with control NVDA d.
Tab to block quote, which is a check box and uncheck it with the space bar.
Press enter.  The dialog will close and the change will be made.
Then permanently save the change with control NVDA key c.

NVDA is set by default to permanently save changes when the program closes or you close it in some way.  That includes if you shut down or reboot while NVDA is running.
but you can permanently save a setting manually with the command I gave, control NVDA key c.

There is a command to revert to the saved configuration, control  NVDA r.  If you issue that command and a setting isn't permanently saved, it will go back to what it was before.
My guess is that you inadvertently issued that command.

Gene

On 5/17/2022 6:26 AM, Penny Golden wrote:

How do I get the NVDA to not say paragraph block, or whatever that is. I did it the other day; then it disappeared and we're back to it. But I have searched the help as much as I can, and I cannot find that part where we get to send our preferences to the program.

I even went back into the trash to find the email; but I just cannot find it.

I'll try to be more diligent in the future. Or someone will have me writing the command 500 times on the blackboard.

Seven more days of school.







.



Re: repeat for the dufus, please?

Penny Golden <pengold2@...>
 

Thanks so much. that is it.  I was looking in the nvda-N place.

Thanks.

I really need an elf reading over my shoulder.

(Smiles.)

On 5/17/2022 7:08 AM, Socheat wrote:
Hi,

I believe you can turn off report paragraph indentation in the document formatting settings dialogue. Ctrl+NVDA+D

Hope this helps.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Penny Golden
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2022 6:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] repeat for the dufus, please?


How do I get the NVDA to not say paragraph block, or whatever that is. I did it the other day; then it disappeared and we're back to it. But I have searched the help as much as I can, and I cannot find that part where we get to send our preferences to the program.

I even went back into the trash to find the email; but I just cannot find it.

I'll try to be more diligent in the future. Or someone will have me writing the command 500 times on the blackboard.

Seven more days of school.













Re: repeat for the dufus, please?

Gene
 

You may have inadvertently undone the change.   Do the following to change the setting and then the following to make sure the setting is permanently saved.
Open document formatting with control NVDA d.
Tab to block quote, which is a check box and uncheck it with the space bar.
Press enter.  The dialog will close and the change will be made.
Then permanently save the change with control NVDA key c.

NVDA is set by default to permanently save changes when the program closes or you close it in some way.  That includes if you shut down or reboot while NVDA is running.
but you can permanently save a setting manually with the command I gave, control NVDA key c.

There is a command to revert to the saved configuration, control  NVDA r.  If you issue that command and a setting isn't permanently saved, it will go back to what it was before.
My guess is that you inadvertently issued that command.

Gene

On 5/17/2022 6:26 AM, Penny Golden wrote:


How do I get the NVDA to not say paragraph block, or whatever that is. I did it the other day; then it disappeared and we're back to it. But I have searched the help as much as I can, and I cannot find that part where we get to send our preferences to the program.

I even went back into the trash to find the email; but I just cannot find it.

I'll try to be more diligent in the future. Or someone will have me writing the command 500 times on the blackboard.

Seven more days of school.







.


Re: repeat for the dufus, please?

Socheat
 

Hi,

I believe you can turn off report paragraph indentation in the document formatting settings dialogue. Ctrl+NVDA+D

Hope this helps.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Penny Golden
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2022 6:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] repeat for the dufus, please?


How do I get the NVDA to not say paragraph block, or whatever that is. I did it the other day; then it disappeared and we're back to it. But I have searched the help as much as I can, and I cannot find that part where we get to send our preferences to the program.

I even went back into the trash to find the email; but I just cannot find it.

I'll try to be more diligent in the future. Or someone will have me writing the command 500 times on the blackboard.

Seven more days of school.


Re: Add-on update notice: fixed Add-on Updater offering incompatible add-ons

 

Hi,

If you have Add-on Updater 22.03.1, then you have the latest Add-on Updater installed.

I get a hunch that you are talking about a different add-on - perhaps Windows App Essentials? If yes, the latest version of that add-on is 22.05. If you are using an older release and Add-on Updater is not offering newer releases, chances are that Add-on Updater is told to not check for updates to add-ons (NVDA menu/Preferences/Settings, Add-on Updater, review "do not update add-ons" list). Both Add-o Updater and Windows App Essentials support Windows 10 Version 21H2 and NVDA 2022.1.

Cheers,

Joseph


repeat for the dufus, please?

Penny Golden <pengold2@...>
 

How do I get the NVDA to not say paragraph block, or whatever that is. I did it the other day; then it disappeared and we're back to it. But I have searched the help as much as I can, and I cannot find that part where we get to send our preferences to the program.

I even went back into the trash to find the email; but I just cannot find it.

I'll try to be more diligent in the future. Or someone will have me writing the command 500 times on the blackboard.

Seven more days of school.


Re: Add-on update notice: fixed Add-on Updater offering incompatible add-ons

Socheat
 

Hello,

 

The new addons updater can be downloaded from Joseph’s GitHub repository directly, or the easiest way is to obtain it from NVDA add-on repositories. here is the newest version from his github

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Ingram
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2022 4:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Add-on update notice: fixed Add-on Updater offering incompatible add-ons

 

Hi, Joseph, how are you?  Is there a most recent version of the ad-on updater for nvda, if there is, can you please tell me where i can get it?  I ask this question because i recently updated to windows 10 version 21h2 but i still  got an old update for an ad-on.  I also have the most recent version of nvda.  I hope that does help things.  I’d like to know if doing a remote session may solve the problem!  Thank you for any suggestions that you might have  concerning this problem.  Thank you.



On May 16, 2022, at 3:26 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

 

You know you really need to get someone else to manage the load if its that much.

I'm happy to get updates but they are not much good if the latest version is not out yet.

 

 

On 17/05/2022 2:44 am, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

Recently a number of add-ons were updated that require NVDA 2022.1, and these were approved for distribution on community add-ons website around 7:52 PM Pacific (UTC-7) on May 15, 2022. Around 1:11 AM on May 16th, I received a report from the add-ons list about compatibility messages with NVDA 2021.3.5 (the latest stable version as of time of this writing) and confirm that Add-on Updater was offering incompatible add-on updates to users. I have stopped Add-on Updater from offering add-on updates requiring NVDA 2022.1 around 1:36 AM Pacific.

While the update issue is resolved, I decided to inform you of what happened as Add-on Updater is my responsibility, and the described issue was part of a chain of events that led to folks experiencing confusion for a while. My sincerest apologies for this mishap.

P.S. A bigger factor: mental exhaustion due to me being a workaholic when it comes to everything NVDA. The events that led to the mishap described cannot be explained fully here, but what I can say is that as soon as graduate final exam is done this week and Windows App Essentials 22.06 is released next week, I’ll be looking for a great distraction from NVDA before I crash with mental exhaustion. This can partly explain why I’m not my usual self these days.

Cheers,

Joseph

 


Re: Add-on update notice: fixed Add-on Updater offering incompatible add-ons

David Ingram
 

Hi, Joseph, how are you?  Is there a most recent version of the ad-on updater for nvda, if there is, can you please tell me where i can get it?  I ask this question because i recently updated to windows 10 version 21h2 but i still  got an old update for an ad-on.  I also have the most recent version of nvda.  I hope that does help things.  I’d like to know if doing a remote session may solve the problem!  Thank you for any suggestions that you might have  concerning this problem.  Thank you.

On May 16, 2022, at 3:26 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

You know you really need to get someone else to manage the load if its that much.

I'm happy to get updates but they are not much good if the latest version is not out yet.



On 17/05/2022 2:44 am, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

Recently a number of add-ons were updated that require NVDA 2022.1, and these were approved for distribution on community add-ons website around 7:52 PM Pacific (UTC-7) on May 15, 2022. Around 1:11 AM on May 16th, I received a report from the add-ons list about compatibility messages with NVDA 2021.3.5 (the latest stable version as of time of this writing) and confirm that Add-on Updater was offering incompatible add-on updates to users. I have stopped Add-on Updater from offering add-on updates requiring NVDA 2022.1 around 1:36 AM Pacific.

While the update issue is resolved, I decided to inform you of what happened as Add-on Updater is my responsibility, and the described issue was part of a chain of events that led to folks experiencing confusion for a while. My sincerest apologies for this mishap.

P.S. A bigger factor: mental exhaustion due to me being a workaholic when it comes to everything NVDA. The events that led to the mishap described cannot be explained fully here, but what I can say is that as soon as graduate final exam is done this week and Windows App Essentials 22.06 is released next week, I’ll be looking for a great distraction from NVDA before I crash with mental exhaustion. This can partly explain why I’m not my usual self these days.

Cheers,

Joseph



Re: accessibility of Libre Office

Gabriele Battaglia
 

Thank you Richard, your suggestions improved my using of Libre Office.

Gabe.


Re: NVDA repeating every Chinese character twice in Windows PowerShell

William
 

Oh, thanks very much. After checking this item, the problem disappear.



Rowen Cary 於 16/5/2022 21:49 寫道:

Hi,

Please check 'Use UI Automation to access the Windows Console when available' in the advanced settings panel.

On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 07:59 PM, William wrote:

Hello all,

  1. Open Windows PowerShell

  2. Run the following python script: print('測試用文字')

  3. When you press Enter, the first time nvda will say '測試用文字'

  4. But if I use review cursor to go back to that line of text, NVDA will say ''測測試試用用文文字字' which repeating every character twice.

I am testing this with NVDA 2022.1 RC1, without installing any addon

windows 10 home ed 21h2

I try doing the same thing in Windows terminal preview, but the Chinese characters are correctly reported.

Here I attach the respective debug log for your reference.

Thanks.

William


Re: Man or woman. really strange.

Betsy Grenevitch
 

Oh, that is funny. Thanks for sharing. It was great to see you there tonight.


Take care and get some sleep.

On 5/16/2022 10:27 PM, Penny Golden wrote:

I upgraded to a newer version of NVDA.  But I am also going to upgrade the computer in a few days. Nevertheless, listen to this one.

We use a talk-client, I forget the name.  But it's really well-known.  I used it with Win-eyes, and with the 2015 NVDA. Tonight I went to the I C C, and there were five in the meeting.

Before it would list the name and wouldn't say anything, unless, perhaps, Penny, Away.

Now for each, it told me whether they were Man or Woman.

Betsy, Man; Jack, Man; Lenore, Woman; Marsha, Man; Penny, Man.

Has anyone seen such interesting behavior?

It sure doesn't matter, since no one else sees this.  It's just my NVDA that does it. But I'm upgrading to a new computer; so I'll probably just have new questions for you then.


Best,

Penny





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Man or woman. really strange.

Penny Golden <pengold2@...>
 

I upgraded to a newer version of NVDA.  But I am also going to upgrade the computer in a few days. Nevertheless, listen to this one.

We use a talk-client, I forget the name.  But it's really well-known.  I used it with Win-eyes, and with the 2015 NVDA. Tonight I went to the I C C, and there were five in the meeting.

Before it would list the name and wouldn't say anything, unless, perhaps, Penny, Away.

Now for each, it told me whether they were Man or Woman.

Betsy, Man; Jack, Man; Lenore, Woman; Marsha, Man; Penny, Man.

Has anyone seen such interesting behavior?

It sure doesn't matter, since no one else sees this.  It's just my NVDA that does it. But I'm upgrading to a new computer; so I'll probably just have new questions for you then.


Best,

Penny


Using Tableau with NVDA

Johnnie Giang Nguyen
 

Hi all,


I have to use tableau for data visualization course but I am not sure if it is works well with NVDA or not.

Has anyone used Tableau with NVDA before? Is it accessible? Are there any tips and tricks?


Cheers


Re: Add-on update notice: fixed Add-on Updater offering incompatible add-ons

 

Hi,

It is likely that you've installed an add-on release that is newer than the one offered on community add-ons website. I advise contacting the add-on developer about this issue unless it happens to be one of my own add-ons.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Add-on update notice: fixed Add-on Updater offering incompatible add-ons

David Ingram
 

Hi, how are you?  This is David Ingram, i’m writing because I’m still having a problem with the ad-on updater concerning not updating to the latest ad-on but still reverting to an older ad-on.  This is strange  because i’ve updated to a newer version of windows 10 befor going to windows 11.  If i’m not mistaken  this is windows 10 21h2.  I’m not sure why i still have this problem with the nvda  ad-on updater.  thank you for any information that you  might be able to provide concerning this issue.

On May 16, 2022, at 9:44 AM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi all,
Recently a number of add-ons were updated that require NVDA 2022.1, and these were approved for distribution on community add-ons website around 7:52 PM Pacific (UTC-7) on May 15, 2022. Around 1:11 AM on May 16th, I received a report from the add-ons list about compatibility messages with NVDA 2021.3.5 (the latest stable version as of time of this writing) and confirm that Add-on Updater was offering incompatible add-on updates to users. I have stopped Add-on Updater from offering add-on updates requiring NVDA 2022.1 around 1:36 AM Pacific.
While the update issue is resolved, I decided to inform you of what happened as Add-on Updater is my responsibility, and the described issue was part of a chain of events that led to folks experiencing confusion for a while. My sincerest apologies for this mishap.
P.S. A bigger factor: mental exhaustion due to me being a workaholic when it comes to everything NVDA. The events that led to the mishap described cannot be explained fully here, but what I can say is that as soon as graduate final exam is done this week and Windows App Essentials 22.06 is released next week, I’ll be looking for a great distraction from NVDA before I crash with mental exhaustion. This can partly explain why I’m not my usual self these days.
Cheers,
Joseph


Re: Add-on update notice: fixed Add-on Updater offering incompatible add-ons

Jackie
 

When you're young, you think you're immortal, invincible, God only
wise, to quote the hymn. When you get old, you know better. Not a
specific "you" but a generalized "you".

To Joseph I say, if you wanna do something, do it. If not, do like the
Frozen song says & just "Let It Go!" Because the truth is, straddling
the fence is uncomfortable, not to mention hurts--a lot. Whatever you
do, good luck & much success.

On 5/16/22, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
Hi,

What is for certain is that I'm definitely devoting June to something other
than writing Python (for once in quite some time). As far as NVDA code
contribution goes, I submitted what might be my last pull request last week
(a possible solution to let mouse and touch users navigate and interact with
Windows 11 UI elements on screen). I'm half-tempted to flat out ask NV
Access to take Add-on Updater and Windows App Essentials under their wings
so I can (finally) cleanly depart this project (for now).

The workload I'm involved (or thought about) are:

1. Add-on authorship and maintenance
2. Reviewing add-ons from the community
3. Look for Windows 10/11/Insider Preview accessibility and usability issues
for screen reader users
4. Carefully guide the community toward long-term goals, or for that matter,
slowly prepare the community for post-NVDA era (yes, that's slowly coming).
While I cannot go into specifics, I imagine a day when academic researchers
will "unearth" NVDA source code and try to figure out what's going on (the
process for preparing for such a scenario isn't trivial, requiring changing
the mindset of contributors, and to some degree, add-ons community; won't go
into details now but perhaps find a time to talk about it soon).

Hope this helps.

Cheers,

Joseph





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Re: Odd E-mails From NVDA List

 

Regardless of where they are actually coming from, it's not Groups.io (or at least the NVDA list).  Every message handled is logged, even those that are rejected (and, believe me, spammers target all mailing lists, so we have plenty of rejections) and there is nothing in the log that matches any part of the email address provided.
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