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Re: for the third time, filling out a PDF

Sarah k Alawami
 

Well for me word is not in the menu choices hence I must drill down into there to choose it. And for me it is not down arrow twice, so just hit h, in my case, to get to open with.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 12:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] for the third time, filling out a PDF

Bob,

I have watched the messages all day and held back while so many were answering you.

Firstly, Firefox cannot read PDF files. You need either edge or Chrome or Adobe.

If you want to open the .pdf file in Word then use the context menu to open it with word.

Here are the steps:
1. locate the file you want to open;
2. Press shift + f10 or the application key beside the right control key; 3. Press "n" twice until you hear "Open With"; 5. press right arrow and down until you hear "Microsoft Word" and press enter.

The file will then open in Word.


All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 7:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] for the third time, filling out a PDF

Sarah,
To answer your question, I just tried opening said file in Firefox, and it doesn't see the edit fields. My machine doesn't give me the option by default to open the file in Word, just Adobe Reader and the two browsers, Edge and Firefox. I actually thought I could get by with only using Firefox to read PDF files, but when I thought I needed to fill out the form I'm currently using as a test case a couple months ago, that's when I downloaded Adobe Reader.
Gene, to answer your question about System Access, I could try that to use this PDF, but I've never installed it, and I'm not sure SA To Go works with Edge. Microsoft has announced that Internet Explorer will not work on Windows 10 within the next month I believe, so that may work to fill out the PDF in question, but that's not going to be a long term solution.

On 5/18/22, Faithville via groups.io <faithville@...> wrote:
Use adobeacrobat reader dc to fill out pdf forms.

On 5/18/2022 2:46 AM, Gabriele Battaglia via groups.io wrote:

Reply to Bob Cavanaugh's message, wrote on 18/05/2022 at 06:17:


Hi. To me it's not possible. At least I've never find a consistant
way to do it.

Gabe.















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Re: NVDA and How Buttons Are Announced

 

Hi all,

Specifically, the answer lies with how NVDA treats text information (and formatting) as you navigate by character/word/line. While I can't go into details without risking finals study schedule, all I can say (at this time) is that NVDA will look at formatting information as you use arrow keys to navigate text in browse mode context. The reason why you hear "close button" when you press Tab key versus "button close" as you press arrow keys has to do with the fact that the former responds to possible system focus changes and the latter is a reaction to browse mode cursor location changes.

In answer to the big question posed: this is screen reader specific. You can in fact tell JAWS to announce control type (that's what it is called) before label, and NVDA does so differently based on context you are in. I can go into details upon request (either next week or in July).

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: for the third time, filling out a PDF

Gene
 

I've tried opening PDF files with Firefox.  It only, in my experience, loads one or perhaps a small number of pages at a time and that is very inconvenient.  I find Edge to be a very efficient way to read PDF documents because it loads very long documents, even book length documents in perhaps six or ten seconds, as a guess.  I haven't loaded long documents enough to give really accurate times.

I haven't tried filling out forms.  I have found that tables are not preserved as tables but reading straight text works very well if the text is formatted so it can be shown in the correct order in the first place.

Also, by default, Edge returns to the last page you were reading when you open a document again.
Gene

On 5/18/2022 3:03 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Hey.

Firefox can indeed open pdf files, and has been able to do so for quite a few years. Theya re readable with screen-readers using this browser. Not sure about filling them out, though. 
When I had to fill out a whole crapload of immigration forms, I used Adobe Acrobat Pro.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: May 18, 2022 03:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] for the third time, filling out a PDF

Bob,

I have watched the messages all day and held back while so many were answering you.

Firstly, Firefox cannot read PDF files. You need either edge or Chrome or Adobe.

If you want to open the .pdf file in Word then use the context menu to open it with word.

Here are the steps:
1. locate the file you want to open;
2. Press shift + f10 or the application key beside the right control key; 3. Press "n"  twice until you hear "Open With"; 5. press right arrow and down until you hear "Microsoft Word" and press enter.

The file will then open in Word.


All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 7:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] for the third time, filling out a PDF

Sarah,
To answer your question, I just tried opening said file in Firefox, and it doesn't see the edit fields. My machine doesn't give me the option by default to open the file in Word, just Adobe Reader and the two browsers, Edge and Firefox. I actually thought I could get by with only using Firefox to read PDF files, but when I thought I needed to fill out the form I'm currently using as a test case a couple months ago, that's when I downloaded Adobe Reader.
Gene, to answer your question about System Access, I could try that to use this PDF, but I've never installed it, and I'm not sure SA To Go works with Edge. Microsoft has announced that Internet Explorer will not work on Windows 10 within the next month I believe, so that may work to fill out the PDF in question, but that's not going to be a long term solution.

On 5/18/22, Faithville via groups.io <faithville@...> wrote:
Use adobeacrobat reader dc to fill out pdf forms.

On 5/18/2022 2:46 AM, Gabriele Battaglia via groups.io wrote:
Reply to Bob Cavanaugh's message, wrote on 18/05/2022 at 06:17:


Hi. To me it's not possible. At least I've never find a consistant 
way to do it.

Gabe.

















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Re: for the third time, filling out a PDF

JM Casey
 

Hey.

Firefox can indeed open pdf files, and has been able to do so for quite a few years. Theya re readable with screen-readers using this browser. Not sure about filling them out, though.
When I had to fill out a whole crapload of immigration forms, I used Adobe Acrobat Pro.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: May 18, 2022 03:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] for the third time, filling out a PDF

Bob,

I have watched the messages all day and held back while so many were answering you.

Firstly, Firefox cannot read PDF files. You need either edge or Chrome or Adobe.

If you want to open the .pdf file in Word then use the context menu to open it with word.

Here are the steps:
1. locate the file you want to open;
2. Press shift + f10 or the application key beside the right control key; 3. Press "n" twice until you hear "Open With"; 5. press right arrow and down until you hear "Microsoft Word" and press enter.

The file will then open in Word.


All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 7:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] for the third time, filling out a PDF

Sarah,
To answer your question, I just tried opening said file in Firefox, and it doesn't see the edit fields. My machine doesn't give me the option by default to open the file in Word, just Adobe Reader and the two browsers, Edge and Firefox. I actually thought I could get by with only using Firefox to read PDF files, but when I thought I needed to fill out the form I'm currently using as a test case a couple months ago, that's when I downloaded Adobe Reader.
Gene, to answer your question about System Access, I could try that to use this PDF, but I've never installed it, and I'm not sure SA To Go works with Edge. Microsoft has announced that Internet Explorer will not work on Windows 10 within the next month I believe, so that may work to fill out the PDF in question, but that's not going to be a long term solution.

On 5/18/22, Faithville via groups.io <faithville@...> wrote:
Use adobeacrobat reader dc to fill out pdf forms.

On 5/18/2022 2:46 AM, Gabriele Battaglia via groups.io wrote:

Reply to Bob Cavanaugh's message, wrote on 18/05/2022 at 06:17:


Hi. To me it's not possible. At least I've never find a consistant
way to do it.

Gabe.















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Re: for the third time, filling out a PDF

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Bob,

I have watched the messages all day and held back while so many were answering you.

Firstly, Firefox cannot read PDF files. You need either edge or Chrome or Adobe.

If you want to open the .pdf file in Word then use the context menu to open it with word.

Here are the steps:
1. locate the file you want to open;
2. Press shift + f10 or the application key beside the right control key;
3. Press "n" twice until you hear "Open With";
5. press right arrow and down until you hear "Microsoft Word" and press enter.

The file will then open in Word.


All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 7:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] for the third time, filling out a PDF

Sarah,
To answer your question, I just tried opening said file in Firefox, and it doesn't see the edit fields. My machine doesn't give me the option by default to open the file in Word, just Adobe Reader and the two browsers, Edge and Firefox. I actually thought I could get by with only using Firefox to read PDF files, but when I thought I needed to fill out the form I'm currently using as a test case a couple months ago, that's when I downloaded Adobe Reader.
Gene, to answer your question about System Access, I could try that to use this PDF, but I've never installed it, and I'm not sure SA To Go works with Edge. Microsoft has announced that Internet Explorer will not work on Windows 10 within the next month I believe, so that may work to fill out the PDF in question, but that's not going to be a long term solution.

On 5/18/22, Faithville via groups.io <faithville@...> wrote:
Use adobeacrobat reader dc to fill out pdf forms.

On 5/18/2022 2:46 AM, Gabriele Battaglia via groups.io wrote:

Reply to Bob Cavanaugh's message, wrote on 18/05/2022 at 06:17:


Hi. To me it's not possible. At least I've never find a consistant
way to do it.

Gabe.















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Re: NVDA and How Buttons Are Announced

Gene
 

But you are still getting all the information.  I haven't compared other screen-readers but I believe this is expected behavior in NVDA.  JAWS allows you to set whether you hear the kind of control before other information or other information first.  It is not determined by the web page. 

IN NVDA, if I tab to a link that is visited, I hear the link spoken before visited.  If I up or down arrow to a visited link, I hear visited link before the link is spoken.

In other words, these variations are screen-reader variations and aren't determined by the web page.

Gene

On 5/18/2022 2:16 PM, Marc Grossman wrote:

Yes I am a daily screen reader user and am familiar with WCAG. I wholeheartedly agree with both of you that form controls should announce the type of control, the state of the control, and the label on the control. Your references to WCAG guidelines are spot on.

My main question can be boiled down to this. If I navigate with arrow keys to the control, it is announced by NVDA as "Button Close" but If I navigate to the control with the tab key or the letter B, NVDA announces as "Close Button."

 

The engineer has informed me that it was coded to meet WCAG guidelines and another colleague believes that this is the expected behavior. I do not like to necessarily make comparisons to other assistive tech but in this case I do think it is relevant. Jaws and VoiceOver both announce the control as "Close Button" regardless of how focus is navigated to the control.

Was just wondering if that sounds correct? If so, is there any documentation to inform others on how NVDA handles form controls, specifically buttons.

Thanks



Re: NVDA and How Buttons Are Announced

Marc Grossman
 

Yes I am a daily screen reader user and am familiar with WCAG. I wholeheartedly agree with both of you that form controls should announce the type of control, the state of the control, and the label on the control. Your references to WCAG guidelines are spot on.

My main question can be boiled down to this. If I navigate with arrow keys to the control, it is announced by NVDA as "Button Close" but If I navigate to the control with the tab key or the letter B, NVDA announces as "Close Button."

 

The engineer has informed me that it was coded to meet WCAG guidelines and another colleague believes that this is the expected behavior. I do not like to necessarily make comparisons to other assistive tech but in this case I do think it is relevant. Jaws and VoiceOver both announce the control as "Close Button" regardless of how focus is navigated to the control.

Was just wondering if that sounds correct? If so, is there any documentation to inform others on how NVDA handles form controls, specifically buttons.

Thanks


Re: for the third time, filling out a PDF

Gene
 

It works with other browsers.  At present, Internet Explorer needs to be running for System Access to run, but if it is running, you can have both Internet Explorer opened to keep System Access to Go running and open the browser you want to use with it.

I checked two or three months ago but I didn't find any information about whether they will continue System Access to Go after Internet Explorer is retired and what browser it will have to see is opened for it to run.

I didn't say System Access To Go would work with your specific file.  It should work with a file if System Access works with it.

Gene

On 5/18/2022 1:46 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
You are absolutely right, System Access should work with Adobe reader
to fill out this form, but as I said, I don't know how much longer
I'll have access to System Access, as from what I've heard, they
haven't made any updates to make that screen reader work with Edge or
any browser other than IE, which is being discontinued pretty soon.

On 5/18/22, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
What did you use System Access with before to work with the other PDF
form?  If you used Adobe, then System Access should work with it as
well.  We don't know if the current document will be properly accessible
using System Access but you may want to try.

Gene
On 5/18/2022 1:18 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
Sarah,
To answer your question, I just tried opening said file in Firefox,
and it doesn't see the edit fields. My machine doesn't give me the
option by default to open the file in Word, just Adobe Reader and the
two browsers, Edge and Firefox. I actually thought I could get by with
only using Firefox to read PDF files, but when I thought I needed to
fill out the form I'm currently using as a test case a couple months
ago, that's when I downloaded Adobe Reader.
Gene, to answer your question about System Access, I could try that to
use this PDF, but I've never installed it, and I'm not sure SA To Go
works with Edge. Microsoft has announced that Internet Explorer will
not work on Windows 10 within the next month I believe, so that may
work to fill out the PDF in question, but that's not going to be a
long term solution.

On 5/18/22, Faithville via groups.io <faithville@...>
wrote:
Use adobeacrobat reader dc to fill out pdf forms.

On 5/18/2022 2:46 AM, Gabriele Battaglia via groups.io wrote:
Reply to Bob Cavanaugh's message, wrote on 18/05/2022 at 06:17:


Hi. To me it's not possible. At least I've never find a consistant way
to do it.

Gabe.


























Re: for the third time, filling out a PDF

Bob Cavanaugh
 

You are absolutely right, System Access should work with Adobe reader
to fill out this form, but as I said, I don't know how much longer
I'll have access to System Access, as from what I've heard, they
haven't made any updates to make that screen reader work with Edge or
any browser other than IE, which is being discontinued pretty soon.

On 5/18/22, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
What did you use System Access with before to work with the other PDF
form?  If you used Adobe, then System Access should work with it as
well.  We don't know if the current document will be properly accessible
using System Access but you may want to try.

Gene
On 5/18/2022 1:18 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
Sarah,
To answer your question, I just tried opening said file in Firefox,
and it doesn't see the edit fields. My machine doesn't give me the
option by default to open the file in Word, just Adobe Reader and the
two browsers, Edge and Firefox. I actually thought I could get by with
only using Firefox to read PDF files, but when I thought I needed to
fill out the form I'm currently using as a test case a couple months
ago, that's when I downloaded Adobe Reader.
Gene, to answer your question about System Access, I could try that to
use this PDF, but I've never installed it, and I'm not sure SA To Go
works with Edge. Microsoft has announced that Internet Explorer will
not work on Windows 10 within the next month I believe, so that may
work to fill out the PDF in question, but that's not going to be a
long term solution.

On 5/18/22, Faithville via groups.io <faithville@...>
wrote:
Use adobeacrobat reader dc to fill out pdf forms.

On 5/18/2022 2:46 AM, Gabriele Battaglia via groups.io wrote:
Reply to Bob Cavanaugh's message, wrote on 18/05/2022 at 06:17:


Hi. To me it's not possible. At least I've never find a consistant way
to do it.

Gabe.

















Re: for the third time, filling out a PDF

Sarah k Alawami
 

You simply click open with, then choose apps, then choose more apps and word will be in the list, as long as you have winword installed. It wont' be in there by default though no.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 11:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] for the third time, filling out a PDF

Sarah,
To answer your question, I just tried opening said file in Firefox, and it doesn't see the edit fields. My machine doesn't give me the option by default to open the file in Word, just Adobe Reader and the two browsers, Edge and Firefox. I actually thought I could get by with only using Firefox to read PDF files, but when I thought I needed to fill out the form I'm currently using as a test case a couple months ago, that's when I downloaded Adobe Reader.
Gene, to answer your question about System Access, I could try that to use this PDF, but I've never installed it, and I'm not sure SA To Go works with Edge. Microsoft has announced that Internet Explorer will not work on Windows 10 within the next month I believe, so that may work to fill out the PDF in question, but that's not going to be a long term solution.

On 5/18/22, Faithville via groups.io <faithville@...> wrote:
Use adobeacrobat reader dc to fill out pdf forms.

On 5/18/2022 2:46 AM, Gabriele Battaglia via groups.io wrote:

Reply to Bob Cavanaugh's message, wrote on 18/05/2022 at 06:17:


Hi. To me it's not possible. At least I've never find a consistant
way to do it.

Gabe.











Re: for the third time, filling out a PDF

Gene
 

What did you use System Access with before to work with the other PDF form?  If you used Adobe, then System Access should work with it as well.  We don't know if the current document will be properly accessible using System Access but you may want to try. 

Gene

On 5/18/2022 1:18 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
Sarah,
To answer your question, I just tried opening said file in Firefox,
and it doesn't see the edit fields. My machine doesn't give me the
option by default to open the file in Word, just Adobe Reader and the
two browsers, Edge and Firefox. I actually thought I could get by with
only using Firefox to read PDF files, but when I thought I needed to
fill out the form I'm currently using as a test case a couple months
ago, that's when I downloaded Adobe Reader.
Gene, to answer your question about System Access, I could try that to
use this PDF, but I've never installed it, and I'm not sure SA To Go
works with Edge. Microsoft has announced that Internet Explorer will
not work on Windows 10 within the next month I believe, so that may
work to fill out the PDF in question, but that's not going to be a
long term solution.

On 5/18/22, Faithville via groups.io <faithville@...> wrote:
Use adobeacrobat reader dc to fill out pdf forms.

On 5/18/2022 2:46 AM, Gabriele Battaglia via groups.io wrote:
Reply to Bob Cavanaugh's message, wrote on 18/05/2022 at 06:17:


Hi. To me it's not possible. At least I've never find a consistant way
to do it.

Gabe.


















Re: for the third time, filling out a PDF

Chris Smart
 

My machine doesn't give me the option by default to open the file in Word.

But, you can still run Word, go to File, go to Open, etc.


Re: for the third time, filling out a PDF

Chris Smart
 

Again, could we see the file for ourselves?
Do you have Dropbox, GoogleDrive, something like that?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: May 18, 2022 2:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] for the third time, filling out a PDF

Sarah,
To answer your question, I just tried opening said file in Firefox, and it doesn't see the edit fields. My machine doesn't give me the option by default to open the file in Word, just Adobe Reader and the two browsers, Edge and Firefox. I actually thought I could get by with only using Firefox to read PDF files, but when I thought I needed to fill out the form I'm currently using as a test case a couple months ago, that's when I downloaded Adobe Reader.
Gene, to answer your question about System Access, I could try that to use this PDF, but I've never installed it, and I'm not sure SA To Go works with Edge. Microsoft has announced that Internet Explorer will not work on Windows 10 within the next month I believe, so that may work to fill out the PDF in question, but that's not going to be a long term solution.

On 5/18/22, Faithville via groups.io <faithville@...> wrote:
Use adobeacrobat reader dc to fill out pdf forms.

On 5/18/2022 2:46 AM, Gabriele Battaglia via groups.io wrote:

Reply to Bob Cavanaugh's message, wrote on 18/05/2022 at 06:17:


Hi. To me it's not possible. At least I've never find a consistant
way to do it.

Gabe.











Re: for the third time, filling out a PDF

Bob Cavanaugh
 

Sarah,
To answer your question, I just tried opening said file in Firefox,
and it doesn't see the edit fields. My machine doesn't give me the
option by default to open the file in Word, just Adobe Reader and the
two browsers, Edge and Firefox. I actually thought I could get by with
only using Firefox to read PDF files, but when I thought I needed to
fill out the form I'm currently using as a test case a couple months
ago, that's when I downloaded Adobe Reader.
Gene, to answer your question about System Access, I could try that to
use this PDF, but I've never installed it, and I'm not sure SA To Go
works with Edge. Microsoft has announced that Internet Explorer will
not work on Windows 10 within the next month I believe, so that may
work to fill out the PDF in question, but that's not going to be a
long term solution.

On 5/18/22, Faithville via groups.io <faithville@...> wrote:
Use adobeacrobat reader dc to fill out pdf forms.

On 5/18/2022 2:46 AM, Gabriele Battaglia via groups.io wrote:

Reply to Bob Cavanaugh's message, wrote on 18/05/2022 at 06:17:


Hi. To me it's not possible. At least I've never find a consistant way
to do it.

Gabe.











Re: NVDA and How Buttons Are Announced

Carlos Medrano
 

Hi Chris,

Thanks, but I don't. WCAG is usually fresh in my mind because people I know run web accessibility-related questions passed me every once and a while. :-)


On 5/18/2022 10:58 AM, Chris Smart wrote:

Hi Carlos.

 

Do you do Website accessibility testing and remediation work?

 

I am just getting started in that field, so I hope I didn’t lead Mark astray with my suggestions. It sounds like you have a better handle on WCAG than I do at this point. 😁

 


Re: NVDA and How Buttons Are Announced

Chris Smart
 

Hi Carlos.

 

Do you do Website accessibility testing and remediation work?

 

I am just getting started in that field, so I hope I didn’t lead Mark astray with my suggestions. It sounds like you have a better handle on WCAG than I do at this point. 😁

 


Re: NVDA and How Buttons Are Announced

Carlos Medrano
 

Hi Marc,

from the perspective of someone who uses NVDA daily, everything you described is expected behavior.


I'm not an expert on web certifications, but have you looked into the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines [0]? For example, section 4.1.2 [1] describes the need for UI components to have a name, role, and value that can be determined and set programmatically. Also, section 2.1.2 [2] may also be of interest to you, which describes keyboard traps, such as those caused by embedded applications/modals and the need of having a convenient way of jumping out of them with a keyboard or with a button.


Note that it may be worth testing each screen reader with each of the browsers; some browsers may give different behaviors with different screen readers. For example, the Free PBX [3] web GUI works better with Firefox and NVDA; Chrome does not show all the controls on the page.

Hope this is helpful.

Best,

Carlos


[0]: https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG21/

[1]: https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG21/Understanding/name-role-value.html

[2]: https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG21/Understanding/no-keyboard-trap.html

[3]: https://www.freepbx.org/


On 5/18/2022 10:01 AM, Marc Grossman wrote:
I am testing a modal dialogue with NVDA/Firefox, Jaws/Edge, and VoiceOver/Safari on a desktop platform. The modal is launched with a form control (button). Screen reader encounters three form controls (buttons) on the modal.
 
NVDA:
Using TAB and the shortcut key B navigate screen reader focus and announce as Label/Control type, e.g. "Close Button"
Using arrow keys, screen readers announce Control Type/Label, e.g. "Button Close"
 
Jaws/Edge:
Using TAB, the shortcut key B, and arrow keys all navigate screen reader focus and announce as Label/Control type, e.g. "Close Button"
 
VoiceOver/Safari:
Using both TAB and VO+arrow keys, the screen reader announces Label/Control Type, e.g. "Close Button"
 
I understand that this might actually be the expected behaviour. Can anybody point me to resources on the web that confirm this?
 
Thanks in advance for any assistance. 


new help link for group;s.io

Dave Grossoehme
 

The groups.io has a new help link at https://groups.io/helpcenter which I received an email about last evening.

I took Brian's advice and contacted support@groups.io to solve my problem yesterday and was notyified about this new information last night.

Dave


Re: NVDA and How Buttons Are Announced

Chris Smart
 

 

I understand that this might actually be the expected behaviour. Can anybody point me to resources on the web that confirm this?

 

 

What do you mean by “actually be”?

How do you think the screenreader should identify the control type and function?

 

Are you a blind person who uses a screenreader regularly, or a sighted person who doesn’t rely on the screenreader feedback?

 

Are you familiar with WCAG "Success Criteria"?

If so, these may be related to your situation.

1.3.1: Info and Relationships.

2.4.6: Headings and Labels.

3.3.2: Labels or Instructions

4.1.2: Name, Role and Value


NVDA and How Buttons Are Announced

Marc Grossman
 

I am testing a modal dialogue with NVDA/Firefox, Jaws/Edge, and VoiceOver/Safari on a desktop platform. The modal is launched with a form control (button). Screen reader encounters three form controls (buttons) on the modal.
 
NVDA:
Using TAB and the shortcut key B navigate screen reader focus and announce as Label/Control type, e.g. "Close Button"
Using arrow keys, screen readers announce Control Type/Label, e.g. "Button Close"
 
Jaws/Edge:
Using TAB, the shortcut key B, and arrow keys all navigate screen reader focus and announce as Label/Control type, e.g. "Close Button"
 
VoiceOver/Safari:
Using both TAB and VO+arrow keys, the screen reader announces Label/Control Type, e.g. "Close Button"
 
I understand that this might actually be the expected behaviour. Can anybody point me to resources on the web that confirm this?
 
Thanks in advance for any assistance. 

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