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Re: NVDA with WhatsApp.

Sim Kah Yong
 

Hi, if you have the Whatsapp desktop add-on installed, you will be able to use the following hotkeys and shortcuts. Some of them are already found in Whatsapp desktop itself. I hope it help. Thanks.

Whatsapp Desktop with NVDA

Keyboard Shortcuts within Whatsapp Desktop:
Control + comma: Settings
Control + P:  Profile and About
control + M: Open the chat menu
control + G: Open the general menu of WhatsApp
Control + Shift + M:  Mute chat
Control + Shift + D: Delete Chat
Control + Shift + N : Add new group participant in chat.
Control + Shift + U: Mark as unread
Control + Shift + E: Archive Chat
Control + Shift + P: Pin and unpin Chat
Control + Shift + T: announce chat in focus
Control + F: Search chat
Control + N: New Chat
Control + shift + F: Enable chat message search
Control + 1 to 9 : Move to the corresponding chat group and place the cursur on the text box
Alt + 1 to 9 : Move focus to the corresponding messages in a chat group. Cursor need to be at edit box.
Page up: Go back 5 messages in the list
Page down: Advance 5 messages in the list
Control + Tab : move to the next chat and place the cursur on the text box
Control + Shift + Tab : move to the previous chat and place the cursur on the text box
Control + Shift + A : Open attachment panel.
control + shift + C: Copy the text of the message with the focus
control + L : Open the link of the message with focus in the default browser.
Alt + Enter : Download the message file when it contains one
Alt + downm arrow : activate the read more button of text mesages.
Control + R : Start and send voice message.
Enter : Play or stop voice messages with focus
SPACEBAR : Switch between playback speeds of a voice message
control + T : Know how long the voice message with focus has been played
Shift + fullstop : Increas speed of selected voice message
Shift + comma : Decrease speed of selected voice message
Alt + Control + Enter : Move focus to the message you reply to.
Right arrow : Open context menu of message with focus
Right arrow : Open context menu of chat with focus
Alt + control + L : Start and end a voice call to the chat contact with the focus
Alt + control + V : Start and end a video call to the chat contact with the focus

Selection mode instructions:
To activate the selection mode open the context menu of the message with focus, either with control + M, or with the applications key.
Once the menu is opened, move with down arrows to the option select messages, which must be activate with enter.
Press Alt + right arrow to bring focus on list of messages.

Selection mode shortcuts:
• mark and unmark the message with focus: SPACEBAR.
• Verbalize the number of selected messages: S.
• Forward the selected messages: R.
• Delete the selected messages: Delete
• Highlight the selected messages: D. Cannot work
• Exit selection mode: Q.
Depending on the selected function, the corresponding window will be activated. The contact selection in the case of forwarding, the confirmation window in the case of message deletion, etc.

Tips:
• Instead of opening the emoji panel, you can search for emojis directly using the colon shortcut. When
you type the colon : followed by the emoji name, WhatsApp will show related emojis. All you need to do is press the Enter key to insert it. You can navigate
between the emojis using the arrow keys on your keyboard. For instance, if you want to add the mask emoji, type :mask. The results will start showing when you enter two characters at least.
• You can change the font, make your text bold or italic using the shortcuts.
1. Put text in asterisks to bold it. For instance, *hello*
2. Place underscore on both sides to italicize the text. For instance, _Guidingtech_
3. Use tilde on both ends to strikethrough your message. Example: ~GT~
4. To change the font, place three backticks on both sides of the text. Example: ```Hey```

On 21/5/2022 2:16 pm, Ravindran V.S. wrote:

Of course it seems to have many useful tips.

Only issue is that, if it has an English version or translation would have been more helpful.

But, here too the buttons are not labeled. And the other process are also not straight forward. Have to get things with a gamble.

That’s why I feel if someone could please record an send it to the WA Support am, they might do better to improve accessibility with this app.

Thanks again for sharing.

Ravi.

 

From: Ravindran V.S. <Ravivssl@...>
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2022 11:08 AM
To: 'nvda@nvda.groups.io' <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: RE: [nvda] NVDA with WhatsApp.

 

Thank you for sharing.

Let me go through it to see of the useful tips.

Regards,

Ravi.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2022 9:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA with WhatsApp.

 

The following 30 minute YouTube tutorial, How to access whatsapp in laptop or desktop using NVDA screen reader by Saagar SK, may prove helpful to you.  It dates from the end of 2021, so isn't very old.

The tutorial narration is not in English.  I am not "good enough" with the languages of India to say which one it actually is.  NVDA itself is announcing in English throughout.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

You can't crush ideas by suppressing them. You can only crush them by ignoring them.
     ~ Ursula LeGuin, The Dispossessed


Re: NVDA and Tables in Microsoft Word

William
 

As far as I remember, this issue has been discussed before.

I am also experiencing the same problem.



Sanjog Kumawat 於 21/5/2022 13:59 寫道:

Hello,

 

I am facing some issues with tables in Microsoft Word and NVDA. Following is the detailed explanation:

 

Issue Description

When UI automation is on, NVDA does not recognize tables in Microsoft Word, especially in browse mode. As a result, I cannot use Easy Table Navigator addon to navigate the table.

 

Steps to reproduce

  1. Open Microsoft Word document which has tables.
  2. Turn on NVDA with UI automation for Microsoft Word documents. One can set UI automation to anything except ‘Default’.
  3. Try reading and navigating the table in Word in browse mode of NVDA.

 

Expected Result

NVDA should recognize tables in both focus as well as browse modes, and they should be navigable using Easy Table Navigator addon.

 

Actual Result

NVDA does not recognize tables in word documents when UI automation is turned on, especially in browse mode.

 

Testing Environment

OS: Windows 11 Home Edition

Office Version: Microsoft Office 365 Enterprise (latest version)

Screen reader: NVDA 2022.1 RC2

 

Remarks

The same issue can be reproduced with NVDA 2021.3 and later. I use UI automation as I need to read and write STEM content.

However, NVDA recognizes tables in the focus mode even when UI automation is turned on and set as ‘Always’ in case of 2022.1 RC2. But in that case, I am unable to use Easy Table Navigator addon to navigate the table, and it is very hard to use Ctrl + Alt + arrow keys for a long time.

 

With Best Regards,

Sanjog Kumawat

Membership Support [Asia & Africa].

Contact us: +919284028466

Alternate Helpline number: +919650211575

[Mobile, WhatsApp and Google Duo]

Helpline Email ID: membership-india@...

 

              

 

Benetech

480 S. California Ave., Suite 201,

Palo Alto, CA 94306-1609, USA.

Bookshare Helpline - Asia & Africa

Contact us: +919650211575 

Alternate Helpline number: +919284028466

[Mobile, WhatsApp and Google Duo]:

Helpline Email ID: membership-india@...

Website: www.bookshare.org

 

 

 

 


Re: NVDA with WhatsApp.

Ravindran V.S.
 

Of course it seems to have many useful tips.

Only issue is that, if it has an English version or translation would have been more helpful.

But, here too the buttons are not labeled. And the other process are also not straight forward. Have to get things with a gamble.

That’s why I feel if someone could please record an send it to the WA Support am, they might do better to improve accessibility with this app.

Thanks again for sharing.

Ravi.

 

From: Ravindran V.S. <Ravivssl@...>
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2022 11:08 AM
To: 'nvda@nvda.groups.io' <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: RE: [nvda] NVDA with WhatsApp.

 

Thank you for sharing.

Let me go through it to see of the useful tips.

Regards,

Ravi.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2022 9:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA with WhatsApp.

 

The following 30 minute YouTube tutorial, How to access whatsapp in laptop or desktop using NVDA screen reader by Saagar SK, may prove helpful to you.  It dates from the end of 2021, so isn't very old.

The tutorial narration is not in English.  I am not "good enough" with the languages of India to say which one it actually is.  NVDA itself is announcing in English throughout.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

You can't crush ideas by suppressing them. You can only crush them by ignoring them.
     ~ Ursula LeGuin, The Dispossessed


NVDA and Tables in Microsoft Word

Sanjog Kumawat
 

Hello,

 

I am facing some issues with tables in Microsoft Word and NVDA. Following is the detailed explanation:

 

Issue Description

When UI automation is on, NVDA does not recognize tables in Microsoft Word, especially in browse mode. As a result, I cannot use Easy Table Navigator addon to navigate the table.

 

Steps to reproduce

  1. Open Microsoft Word document which has tables.
  2. Turn on NVDA with UI automation for Microsoft Word documents. One can set UI automation to anything except ‘Default’.
  3. Try reading and navigating the table in Word in browse mode of NVDA.

 

Expected Result

NVDA should recognize tables in both focus as well as browse modes, and they should be navigable using Easy Table Navigator addon.

 

Actual Result

NVDA does not recognize tables in word documents when UI automation is turned on, especially in browse mode.

 

Testing Environment

OS: Windows 11 Home Edition

Office Version: Microsoft Office 365 Enterprise (latest version)

Screen reader: NVDA 2022.1 RC2

 

Remarks

The same issue can be reproduced with NVDA 2021.3 and later. I use UI automation as I need to read and write STEM content.

However, NVDA recognizes tables in the focus mode even when UI automation is turned on and set as ‘Always’ in case of 2022.1 RC2. But in that case, I am unable to use Easy Table Navigator addon to navigate the table, and it is very hard to use Ctrl + Alt + arrow keys for a long time.

 

With Best Regards,

Sanjog Kumawat

Membership Support [Asia & Africa].

Contact us: +919284028466

Alternate Helpline number: +919650211575

[Mobile, WhatsApp and Google Duo]

Helpline Email ID: membership-india@...

 

              

 

Benetech

480 S. California Ave., Suite 201,

Palo Alto, CA 94306-1609, USA.

Bookshare Helpline - Asia & Africa

Contact us: +919650211575 

Alternate Helpline number: +919284028466

[Mobile, WhatsApp and Google Duo]:

Helpline Email ID: membership-india@...

Website: www.bookshare.org

 

 

 

 


Re: audible search box

Monte Single
 

Hi Enes,

I use the Canadian website at;

www.audible.ca


For the last week or more, when I go to the home page and press "e" to be in the search edeit box, nvda tells me there is no edit field.
Tabbingdoes not help. Bringing up the list of elements does not help.
I told the audible help about this.
So, instead, I go to the advanced search and work from there.
A few extra keystrokes, but at least I get to search.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: May 20, 2022 9:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] audible search box

Hi all,

Have any of you noticed normal navigation doesn't apply to the Audible search box? They have made a change where the combo box editable cannot be navigated to by c or e/f. You have to use tab, and browse mode won't work. However it is possible to type into it.


Re: NVDA with WhatsApp.

Ravindran V.S.
 

Thank you for sharing.

Let me go through it to see of the useful tips.

Regards,

Ravi.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2022 9:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA with WhatsApp.

 

The following 30 minute YouTube tutorial, How to access whatsapp in laptop or desktop using NVDA screen reader by Saagar SK, may prove helpful to you.  It dates from the end of 2021, so isn't very old.

The tutorial narration is not in English.  I am not "good enough" with the languages of India to say which one it actually is.  NVDA itself is announcing in English throughout.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

You can't crush ideas by suppressing them. You can only crush them by ignoring them.
     ~ Ursula LeGuin, The Dispossessed


Re: NVDA with WhatsApp.

Ravindran V.S.
 

Hi,

I have not tried this yet.

Will check on this.

Thanks,

Ravi.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Fawaz Abdul rahman
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2022 1:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA with WhatsApp.

 

Hi,

The whatsapp beta for windows 10 and above is quite accessible, but it is missing some functionalities such as the ability to record voice messages.

You can try it from here if you're on windows 10 or above:

good luck.

 

On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 6:16 PM Ravindran V.S. <ravivssl@...> wrote:

Hello Team,
Greetings!
NVDA accessibility with the What's App desktop application is very poor as at now.
As suggested by the NVDA Team earlier, I contacted the WA Support Team and they are very positive to improve on this area.
However, they requested me to send a video demo of the way it works in the desktop.
But, my several attempts to record the issues in short videos did not work. For some reason even videos of 7 minutes or 5 minutes could not be sent from my phone.
In the initial page, NVDA just says "Button" without the labels."
Also, opening any attachments, video or audio is not simple with a click.
Scrolling through the chat list is also a concern as at now.
There may be more.
Therefore, would someone here with technical expertise be able to do a video recording and send to the WA Support Team as the accessibility issues please?
     Thank you, have a pleasant day!
Ravi.






Re: NVDA with WhatsApp.

Ravindran V.S.
 

Hi Sim,
Thank you for sharing the link.
Yes, I had this installed already, still I downloaded from the link you mentioned and tried.
It does not make any difference.
Thank you.
Ravi.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sim Kah Yong
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2022 5:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA with WhatsApp.

Hi, have you tried the Whatsapp desktop add-on?

You can find it at this site:

https://nvda-addons.org/

Hope this help.

On 20/5/2022 11:05 pm, Ravindran V.S. wrote:
Hello Team,
Greetings!
NVDA accessibility with the What's App desktop application is very poor as at now.
As suggested by the NVDA Team earlier, I contacted the WA Support Team and they are very positive to improve on this area.
However, they requested me to send a video demo of the way it works in the desktop.
But, my several attempts to record the issues in short videos did not work. For some reason even videos of 7 minutes or 5 minutes could not be sent from my phone.
In the initial page, NVDA just says "Button" without the labels."
Also, opening any attachments, video or audio is not simple with a click.
Scrolling through the chat list is also a concern as at now.
There may be more.
Therefore, would someone here with technical expertise be able to do a video recording and send to the WA Support Team as the accessibility issues please?
Thank you, have a pleasant day!
Ravi.






audible search box

enes sarıbaş
 

Hi all,

Have any of you noticed  normal navigation doesn't apply to the Audible search box?  They have made a change where the combo box editable cannot be navigated to by c or e/f. You have to use tab, and browse mode won't work.  However it is possible to type into it.


Re: for the third time, filling out a PDF

Carlos Medrano
 

I think it still happens in the foreground, but Adobe Reader allows the parent window to be focused (where the document content appears), but the dialogue showing progress is in the middle of the screen. The only way to get to it is by moving the mouse to it as far as I know. The parent window isn't frozen; you can do things like hit f6 to jump around it and stuff. NVDA just says `unknown` when you change focus to the reading area when it's being processed.


You can test this by enabling mouse tracking; it may be helpful to enable the tones feature describing the position of the pointer to help with finding location. Moving it to the left outside the progress dialogue and clicking changes the focus from the dialogue, and moving it back into the dialogue to click in it changes the OS focus back to it so you can find the cancel button with the keyboard.


This is easier to test with a really large pdf file; I used the Brother MFC-L9570CDW user guide [0], which is over 700 pages.


- Carlos


[0] https://download.brother.com/welcome/doc100694/mfcl9570cdw_use_oug.pdf


On 5/20/2022 6:50 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 07:12 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Are you saying that "preparation delay" no longer happens, but that it is effectively happening in the background?
-
The way I'd phrase it is that the preparation is no longer done in the foreground, keeping you from accessing the document until that prep is complete.  This, of course, involves a wait.

Now it seems that it is being done asynchronously, with no dialog at all, where the user has access (as in can interact with - but not in any useful manner) with the document prior to it having been prepped such that the screen reader has a clue about what's what.  That's way more unhelpful than "the old way."

I've never dealt with fillable PDF using other than Tracker Software's PDF XChange Viewer,  which is nowhere near to fully accessible to a screen reader user, or Adobe Reader (in various versions).  When the document to which Bob gave the link opened in Vivaldi (another Chromium based browser) I was not able to interact with it with a screen reader in any meaningful way, as it remained silent as fields were traversed.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

You can't crush ideas by suppressing them. You can only crush them by ignoring them.
     ~ Ursula LeGuin, The Dispossessed


Re: for the third time, filling out a PDF

 

On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 07:12 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Are you saying that "preparation delay" no longer happens, but that it is effectively happening in the background?
-
The way I'd phrase it is that the preparation is no longer done in the foreground, keeping you from accessing the document until that prep is complete.  This, of course, involves a wait.

Now it seems that it is being done asynchronously, with no dialog at all, where the user has access (as in can interact with - but not in any useful manner) with the document prior to it having been prepped such that the screen reader has a clue about what's what.  That's way more unhelpful than "the old way."

I've never dealt with fillable PDF using other than Tracker Software's PDF XChange Viewer,  which is nowhere near to fully accessible to a screen reader user, or Adobe Reader (in various versions).  When the document to which Bob gave the link opened in Vivaldi (another Chromium based browser) I was not able to interact with it with a screen reader in any meaningful way, as it remained silent as fields were traversed.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

You can't crush ideas by suppressing them. You can only crush them by ignoring them.
     ~ Ursula LeGuin, The Dispossessed


Can't install NVDA

Loy <loyrg2845@...>
 

I was running the 2021 version of NVDA and it was working . I decided to try the 2022 beta, It would not install. The music would start and stop. I then uninstalled the 2021 version and tried to install 2022 version again, still will not install. I then tried to go back to 2021 and it would not install. I also tried to run as administrator. This is on a Win11 computer. I have another Win 11 computer and NVDA 2022 installed with no problem. Any Idea what would prevent NVDA from installing.


Re: NVDA with WhatsApp.

Sim Kah Yong
 

I know nothing about Spanish also. But if you go to the first combo box at the site and select "English", Google will help translate it for you. Hope it help.

On 21/5/2022 9:08 am, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Ok, my Spanish is not all that good to make out what the text says. Can there be a translated copy on the what's app desktop page?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sim Kah Yong
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2022 5:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA with WhatsApp.

Hi, have you tried the Whatsapp desktop add-on?

You can find it at this site:

https://nvda-addons.org/

Hope this help.

On 20/5/2022 11:05 pm, Ravindran V.S. wrote:
Hello Team,
Greetings!
NVDA accessibility with the What's App desktop application is very poor as at now.
As suggested by the NVDA Team earlier, I contacted the WA Support Team and they are very positive to improve on this area.
However, they requested me to send a video demo of the way it works in the desktop.
But, my several attempts to record the issues in short videos did not work. For some reason even videos of 7 minutes or 5 minutes could not be sent from my phone.
In the initial page, NVDA just says "Button" without the labels."
Also, opening any attachments, video or audio is not simple with a click.
Scrolling through the chat list is also a concern as at now.
There may be more.
Therefore, would someone here with technical expertise be able to do a video recording and send to the WA Support Team as the accessibility issues please?
Thank you, have a pleasant day!
Ravi.













Re: NVDA with WhatsApp.

Sarah k Alawami
 

Ok, my Spanish is not all that good to make out what the text says. Can there be a translated copy on the what's app desktop page?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sim Kah Yong
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2022 5:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA with WhatsApp.

Hi, have you tried the Whatsapp desktop add-on?

You can find it at this site:

https://nvda-addons.org/

Hope this help.

On 20/5/2022 11:05 pm, Ravindran V.S. wrote:
Hello Team,
Greetings!
NVDA accessibility with the What's App desktop application is very poor as at now.
As suggested by the NVDA Team earlier, I contacted the WA Support Team and they are very positive to improve on this area.
However, they requested me to send a video demo of the way it works in the desktop.
But, my several attempts to record the issues in short videos did not work. For some reason even videos of 7 minutes or 5 minutes could not be sent from my phone.
In the initial page, NVDA just says "Button" without the labels."
Also, opening any attachments, video or audio is not simple with a click.
Scrolling through the chat list is also a concern as at now.
There may be more.
Therefore, would someone here with technical expertise be able to do a video recording and send to the WA Support Team as the accessibility issues please?
Thank you, have a pleasant day!
Ravi.






Re: for the third time, filling out a PDF

Sarah k Alawami
 

I’ve seen this happen. I have no clue how I got that window to show up again but it is a pane if and when this happens. I want to throw my keyboard out the window.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Carlos Medrano
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2022 4:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] for the third time, filling out a PDF

 

Yes; it still takes time to process. The painful part is that sometimes either the setup assistant dialogue that allows you to select the reading order or the progress indicator dialogue doesn't come into focus, so NVDA is in the parent window somehow I think.

 

I don't know of any other way other than turning on mouse tracking and clicking in the middle of the dialogue to let me use the keyboard.

 

- Carlos

 

On 5/20/2022 4:12 PM, Luke Davis wrote:

Brian Vogel wrote:


But whatever is happening it is NOT fast.  I can play around for at least 1 minute, possibly somewhat longer, whether via point and click or using tab to
move among the various fields.  Then, after waiting for a while, suddenly tabbing between the fields gives the field label, including the colon that's a
part of each label, when you land in the various fields.Very strange.  No rational person would expect a lag like this between opening a document and being
able to use it with a screen reader sans any sort of warning that they needed to wait for something to finish before they start.


Brian. There used to be some sort of delay, when the accessibility wizard was running, that asked you to wait while Adobe prepared the document for accessibility, or some such.
I used to have problems with NVDA crashing while this was happening on one of my machines, and the document still not being accessible upon restart. (It may have taken Acrobat with it, if I recall, but it's been a few years).

It was the main reason I ditched Adobe products for handling PDFs, and went mostly with Edge.

Are you saying that "preparation delay" no longer happens, but that it is effectively happening in the background?

Luke





Re: NVDA with WhatsApp.

Sim Kah Yong
 

Hi, have you tried the Whatsapp desktop add-on?

You can find it at this site:

https://nvda-addons.org/

Hope this help.

On 20/5/2022 11:05 pm, Ravindran V.S. wrote:
Hello Team,
Greetings!
NVDA accessibility with the What's App desktop application is very poor as at now.
As suggested by the NVDA Team earlier, I contacted the WA Support Team and they are very positive to improve on this area.
However, they requested me to send a video demo of the way it works in the desktop.
But, my several attempts to record the issues in short videos did not work. For some reason even videos of 7 minutes or 5 minutes could not be sent from my phone.
In the initial page, NVDA just says "Button" without the labels."
Also, opening any attachments, video or audio is not simple with a click.
Scrolling through the chat list is also a concern as at now.
There may be more.
Therefore, would someone here with technical expertise be able to do a video recording and send to the WA Support Team as the accessibility issues please?
Thank you, have a pleasant day!
Ravi.





Re: for the third time, filling out a PDF

Carlos Medrano
 

Yes; it still takes time to process. The painful part is that sometimes either the setup assistant dialogue that allows you to select the reading order or the progress indicator dialogue doesn't come into focus, so NVDA is in the parent window somehow I think.


I don't know of any other way other than turning on mouse tracking and clicking in the middle of the dialogue to let me use the keyboard.


- Carlos


On 5/20/2022 4:12 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Brian Vogel wrote:

But whatever is happening it is NOT fast.  I can play around for at least 1 minute, possibly somewhat longer, whether via point and click or using tab to
move among the various fields.  Then, after waiting for a while, suddenly tabbing between the fields gives the field label, including the colon that's a
part of each label, when you land in the various fields.Very strange.  No rational person would expect a lag like this between opening a document and being
able to use it with a screen reader sans any sort of warning that they needed to wait for something to finish before they start.

Brian. There used to be some sort of delay, when the accessibility wizard was running, that asked you to wait while Adobe prepared the document for accessibility, or some such.
I used to have problems with NVDA crashing while this was happening on one of my machines, and the document still not being accessible upon restart. (It may have taken Acrobat with it, if I recall, but it's been a few years).

It was the main reason I ditched Adobe products for handling PDFs, and went mostly with Edge.

Are you saying that "preparation delay" no longer happens, but that it is effectively happening in the background?

Luke






Re: for the third time, filling out a PDF

Luke Davis
 

Brian Vogel wrote:

But whatever is happening it is NOT fast.  I can play around for at least 1 minute, possibly somewhat longer, whether via point and click or using tab to
move among the various fields.  Then, after waiting for a while, suddenly tabbing between the fields gives the field label, including the colon that's a
part of each label, when you land in the various fields.Very strange.  No rational person would expect a lag like this between opening a document and being
able to use it with a screen reader sans any sort of warning that they needed to wait for something to finish before they start.
Brian. There used to be some sort of delay, when the accessibility wizard was running, that asked you to wait while Adobe prepared the document for accessibility, or some such.
I used to have problems with NVDA crashing while this was happening on one of my machines, and the document still not being accessible upon restart. (It may have taken Acrobat with it, if I recall, but it's been a few years).

It was the main reason I ditched Adobe products for handling PDFs, and went mostly with Edge.

Are you saying that "preparation delay" no longer happens, but that it is effectively happening in the background?

Luke


Re: for the third time, filling out a PDF

Luke Davis
 

Bob Cavanaugh wrote:

ticket, which I will probably get to early next week if nobody else
wants to tackle it first, would be because I would expect NVDA to
behave the same way when filling out a form in Adobe Reader as it does
when in a web browser, which it currently does not.
If I understand you correctly, the approximate thrust/title of your issue would be:

When Automatic Focus Mode for Focus Changes is selected, focus mode is not automatically entered for form fields in Adobe Acrobat DC

If that is your issue, you are now best positioned to demonstrate it with a debug level log, and a sample PDF, uploaded to the bug issue.
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/new/choose

Luke


Re: for the third time, filling out a PDF

 

Well, when I open the form Bob gave the link for, I eventually end up having it act just like any random web form would in terms of tabbing through the form fields.  There are also a number of checkboxes to indicate a given piece of equipment in the list has been returned and these are on the second page of the form.

But note well, I said "eventually."  I can't make any sense of what's going on, and am not getting any useful status either from Adobe or from NVDA with regard to whether there is background processing going on by the Accessibility Wizard to hand information to NVDA that it would not otherwise have.  But whatever is happening it is NOT fast.  I can play around for at least 1 minute, possibly somewhat longer, whether via point and click or using tab to move among the various fields.  Then, after waiting for a while, suddenly tabbing between the fields gives the field label, including the colon that's a part of each label, when you land in the various fields.

Very strange.  No rational person would expect a lag like this between opening a document and being able to use it with a screen reader sans any sort of warning that they needed to wait for something to finish before they start.

I am using Windows 10, Version 21H2, Build 19044.1076
Adobe Reader DC 2022.001.20117
NVDA 2021.3.5
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

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