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Re: unable to get to the task bar with nvda Version: 2022.1

Arlene
 

I can partly confirm this. I can't open my windows ten app. I'm doing this on the gmail site. I can't get the mail app on the taskbar. 


On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 7:19 PM Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

Running Windows 10 21H2 (x64) build 19044.1706 and I just updated nvda. I am no longer able to hit windows t, to get to the task bar, nor can I tab to it. I can kind of see it, but all I see is pane when I get to it via the start menu. I cannot restart my computer at this time so can’t test that. I did restart nvda with add ons disabled as I am writing this email and still can reproduce the issue.  I do have the debug log and will look at sending this over to, well, I need to find the address, but it will get sent. Can anyone else reproduce? I know of one other, only because they are on the phone with me.

 

Thanks.


Re: unable to get to the task bar with nvda Version: 2022.1

Russell James
 

This happened to me on the latest update as well

Fortunately, when I restarted the computer it was fine again

Russ


On Tue, May 24, 2022, 10:30 PM Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

I sent my debug log just in case.  Yeah when I can I will restart, right now I’m in the middle of something wherein I cannot reboot. This is the first time I have had things brake in I think the 13 years since starting to use nvda. I guess it had to happen to me at some point eh?

 

Take care and thanks.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2022 7:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] unable to get to the task bar with nvda Version: 2022.1

 

Hi Sarah,

 

I'm using the same build of Windows and can confirm that I can get to the taskbar as expected with Windows+t.  It really sounds like one of those issues you get in between updating NVDA and restarting the PC.  Try that when you can, and do please let us know if it still happens after that.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 12:19 PM Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

Running Windows 10 21H2 (x64) build 19044.1706 and I just updated nvda. I am no longer able to hit windows t, to get to the task bar, nor can I tab to it. I can kind of see it, but all I see is pane when I get to it via the start menu. I cannot restart my computer at this time so can’t test that. I did restart nvda with add ons disabled as I am writing this email and still can reproduce the issue.  I do have the debug log and will look at sending this over to, well, I need to find the address, but it will get sent. Can anyone else reproduce? I know of one other, only because they are on the phone with me.

 

Thanks.


 

--

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Training and Support Manager

 


latestversion of codefactory of eloquence and vocaliser

Michael Micallef at FITA
 

Hi nvda users,

 

Can someone kindly provide me with the link from where I can download theeloquence/vocaliser add-on for nvda? I’mregistered user of this product.


Re: unable to get to the task bar with nvda Version: 2022.1

Sarah k Alawami
 

I sent my debug log just in case.  Yeah when I can I will restart, right now I’m in the middle of something wherein I cannot reboot. This is the first time I have had things brake in I think the 13 years since starting to use nvda. I guess it had to happen to me at some point eh?

 

Take care and thanks.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2022 7:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] unable to get to the task bar with nvda Version: 2022.1

 

Hi Sarah,

 

I'm using the same build of Windows and can confirm that I can get to the taskbar as expected with Windows+t.  It really sounds like one of those issues you get in between updating NVDA and restarting the PC.  Try that when you can, and do please let us know if it still happens after that.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 12:19 PM Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

Running Windows 10 21H2 (x64) build 19044.1706 and I just updated nvda. I am no longer able to hit windows t, to get to the task bar, nor can I tab to it. I can kind of see it, but all I see is pane when I get to it via the start menu. I cannot restart my computer at this time so can’t test that. I did restart nvda with add ons disabled as I am writing this email and still can reproduce the issue.  I do have the debug log and will look at sending this over to, well, I need to find the address, but it will get sent. Can anyone else reproduce? I know of one other, only because they are on the phone with me.

 

Thanks.


 

--

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Training and Support Manager

 


Re: unable to get to the task bar with nvda Version: 2022.1

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Sarah,

I'm using the same build of Windows and can confirm that I can get to the taskbar as expected with Windows+t.  It really sounds like one of those issues you get in between updating NVDA and restarting the PC.  Try that when you can, and do please let us know if it still happens after that.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 12:19 PM Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

Running Windows 10 21H2 (x64) build 19044.1706 and I just updated nvda. I am no longer able to hit windows t, to get to the task bar, nor can I tab to it. I can kind of see it, but all I see is pane when I get to it via the start menu. I cannot restart my computer at this time so can’t test that. I did restart nvda with add ons disabled as I am writing this email and still can reproduce the issue.  I do have the debug log and will look at sending this over to, well, I need to find the address, but it will get sent. Can anyone else reproduce? I know of one other, only because they are on the phone with me.

 

Thanks.



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


unable to get to the task bar with nvda Version: 2022.1

Sarah k Alawami
 

Running Windows 10 21H2 (x64) build 19044.1706 and I just updated nvda. I am no longer able to hit windows t, to get to the task bar, nor can I tab to it. I can kind of see it, but all I see is pane when I get to it via the start menu. I cannot restart my computer at this time so can’t test that. I did restart nvda with add ons disabled as I am writing this email and still can reproduce the issue.  I do have the debug log and will look at sending this over to, well, I need to find the address, but it will get sent. Can anyone else reproduce? I know of one other, only because they are on the phone with me.

 

Thanks.


Re: CodeFactory updated their download of the Eloquence/Vocalizer driver

Clarissa Mitchell
 

Oh, I didn't know it could be found that way. But I've got my key now.
I'll keep this information in mind just in case.

On 5/24/22, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
For me I got it from the AtGuys website under account, click view in your
order.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clarissa
Mitchell
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2022 3:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] CodeFactory updated their download of the
Eloquence/Vocalizer driver

Okay, I remembered that I had activated it on another computer when I was
living somewhere else and coming back for the holidays. I got my key from
the other computer and made sure to save it in a file on my flash drive. So
it's activated on my main computer now, and I will never lose my key. Now I
just have to send another email to AT Guys, as I had already contacted them
saying I lost my key. Now I have to tell them I found it!

On 5/24/22, Dave Grossoehme <dave@...> wrote:
I don't know that's is a good idea to leave it on the notepad now,
then do the update. I'd save the code to a file somewhere, that you
can retrieve it from later. If left on notepad and not saved
somewhere and the no button is pressed when closing notepad to make
the restart for updating it is lost.

Dave


On 5/24/2022 3:14 PM, Joseph Norton wrote:

Hi:

I did some testing and here is what I found out.

If you update NVDA, it will disable the add-on, which you are warned
about.

When you install the new update to the add-on, it also removes any
Vocalizer voices installed. It also deletes the activation from the
computer, so you will need to enter your activation code again.

If you have not updated yet, but, aren’t sure where your code is, you
may be able to retrieve it from the About tab in the settings.

Press NVDA+N and go down to Code Factory, Press Enter twice to open
up the settings dialog. Go into the about tab and press tab until
you hear “Enter activation key”. Your key should be displayed and
selected. If you press CTRL+C on it, it will copy the key to the
clipboard. You can then save it to a text file or just keep it there.
If you keep it on the clipboard, you can then update both NVDA and
the add-on. Once you have restarted NVDA with the new version of the
add-on installed, you can go into the Code Factory menu selection,
and re-activate with the key you previously copied to the clipboard.

You will need to re-download any Vocalizer voices after the activation.

You should not loose any of your activations, since your computer ID
string will not change.

Hope this helps.

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Windows

*From: *Don H <mailto:lmddh50@...>
*Sent: *Tuesday, May 24, 2022 12:42 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] CodeFactory updated their download of the
Eloquence/Vocalizer driver

Can you just install the update over your existing copy of the addon
or

do you have to remove the old one?

On 5/24/2022 9:44 AM, Joseph Norton wrote:

Hi listers:
Code Factory has updated their own link for the Eloquence/Vocalizer
driver. They just updated the file, but, left the filename the same.
However, it is definitely changed, since I’m using it right now.
They
haven’t yet done the one branded for ATGuys, but, it doesn’t
matter—their download also works with the licensing system. Here’s
the
link:
https://www.codefactoryglobal.com/downloads/installers/codefactory-py
3-1.0.nvda-addon

<https://www.codefactoryglobal.com/downloads/installers/codefactory-p
y3-1.0.nvda-addon>

Hope this helps.
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Windows
















Re: CodeFactory updated their download of the Eloquence/Vocalizer driver

Sarah k Alawami
 

For me I got it from the AtGuys website under account, click view in your order.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clarissa Mitchell
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2022 3:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] CodeFactory updated their download of the Eloquence/Vocalizer driver

Okay, I remembered that I had activated it on another computer when I was living somewhere else and coming back for the holidays. I got my key from the other computer and made sure to save it in a file on my flash drive. So it's activated on my main computer now, and I will never lose my key. Now I just have to send another email to AT Guys, as I had already contacted them saying I lost my key. Now I have to tell them I found it!

On 5/24/22, Dave Grossoehme <dave@...> wrote:
I don't know that's is a good idea to leave it on the notepad now,
then do the update. I'd save the code to a file somewhere, that you
can retrieve it from later. If left on notepad and not saved
somewhere and the no button is pressed when closing notepad to make
the restart for updating it is lost.

Dave


On 5/24/2022 3:14 PM, Joseph Norton wrote:

Hi:

I did some testing and here is what I found out.

If you update NVDA, it will disable the add-on, which you are warned
about.

When you install the new update to the add-on, it also removes any
Vocalizer voices installed. It also deletes the activation from the
computer, so you will need to enter your activation code again.

If you have not updated yet, but, aren’t sure where your code is, you
may be able to retrieve it from the About tab in the settings.

Press NVDA+N and go down to Code Factory, Press Enter twice to open
up the settings dialog. Go into the about tab and press tab until
you hear “Enter activation key”. Your key should be displayed and
selected. If you press CTRL+C on it, it will copy the key to the
clipboard. You can then save it to a text file or just keep it there.
If you keep it on the clipboard, you can then update both NVDA and
the add-on. Once you have restarted NVDA with the new version of the
add-on installed, you can go into the Code Factory menu selection,
and re-activate with the key you previously copied to the clipboard.

You will need to re-download any Vocalizer voices after the activation.

You should not loose any of your activations, since your computer ID
string will not change.

Hope this helps.

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows

*From: *Don H <mailto:lmddh50@...>
*Sent: *Tuesday, May 24, 2022 12:42 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] CodeFactory updated their download of the
Eloquence/Vocalizer driver

Can you just install the update over your existing copy of the addon
or

do you have to remove the old one?

On 5/24/2022 9:44 AM, Joseph Norton wrote:

Hi listers:
Code Factory has updated their own link for the Eloquence/Vocalizer
driver. They just updated the file, but, left the filename the same.
However, it is definitely changed, since I’m using it right now.
They
haven’t yet done the one branded for ATGuys, but, it doesn’t
matter—their download also works with the licensing system. Here’s
the
link:
https://www.codefactoryglobal.com/downloads/installers/codefactory-py
3-1.0.nvda-addon

<https://www.codefactoryglobal.com/downloads/installers/codefactory-p
y3-1.0.nvda-addon>

Hope this helps.
Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows






Re: CodeFactory updated their download of the Eloquence/Vocalizer driver

 

Well if you try performing a search for something like "codefactoryglobal.com" or "code factory" in Outlook you should find the key (I found mine this way).
Now I can finally enjoy the new NVDA update...


Re: CodeFactory updated their download of the Eloquence/Vocalizer driver

Clarissa Mitchell
 

Okay, I remembered that I had activated it on another computer when I
was living somewhere else and coming back for the holidays. I got my
key from the other computer and made sure to save it in a file on my
flash drive. So it's activated on my main computer now, and I will
never lose my key. Now I just have to send another email to AT Guys,
as I had already contacted them saying I lost my key. Now I have to
tell them I found it!

On 5/24/22, Dave Grossoehme <dave@...> wrote:
I don't know that's is a good idea to leave it on the notepad now, then
do the update. I'd save the code to a file somewhere, that you can
retrieve it from later. If left on notepad and not saved somewhere and
the no button is pressed when closing notepad to make the restart for
updating it is lost.

Dave


On 5/24/2022 3:14 PM, Joseph Norton wrote:

Hi:

I did some testing and here is what I found out.

If you update NVDA, it will disable the add-on, which you are warned
about.

When you install the new update to the add-on, it also removes any
Vocalizer voices installed. It also deletes the activation from the
computer, so you will need to enter your activation code again.

If you have not updated yet, but, aren’t sure where your code is, you
may be able to retrieve it from the About tab in the settings.

Press NVDA+N and go down to Code Factory, Press Enter twice to open up
the settings dialog. Go into the about tab and press tab until you
hear “Enter activation key”. Your key should be displayed and
selected. If you press CTRL+C on it, it will copy the key to the
clipboard. You can then save it to a text file or just keep it there.
If you keep it on the clipboard, you can then update both NVDA and the
add-on. Once you have restarted NVDA with the new version of the
add-on installed, you can go into the Code Factory menu selection, and
re-activate with the key you previously copied to the clipboard.

You will need to re-download any Vocalizer voices after the activation.

You should not loose any of your activations, since your computer ID
string will not change.

Hope this helps.

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows

*From: *Don H <mailto:lmddh50@...>
*Sent: *Tuesday, May 24, 2022 12:42 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] CodeFactory updated their download of the
Eloquence/Vocalizer driver

Can you just install the update over your existing copy of the addon or

do you have to remove the old one?

On 5/24/2022 9:44 AM, Joseph Norton wrote:

Hi listers:
Code Factory has updated their own link for the Eloquence/Vocalizer
driver. They just updated the file, but, left the filename the same.
However, it is definitely changed, since I’m using it right now. They
haven’t yet done the one branded for ATGuys, but, it doesn’t
matter—their download also works with the licensing system. Here’s the
link:
https://www.codefactoryglobal.com/downloads/installers/codefactory-py3-1.0.nvda-addon

<https://www.codefactoryglobal.com/downloads/installers/codefactory-py3-1.0.nvda-addon>

Hope this helps.
Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows






Re: Cannot log into web site with Firefox

Jackie
 

Weirdly, you can see the edit boxes, but characters don't appear when
entered. This looks for all the world like 1 of those cintilla (sp?)
edit boxes where screen readers don't see the cursor. Having thus
said, Narrator can, but doesn't do a particularly good job w/the rest
of the site.

I thought Ireland had accessibility laws in place.

On 5/24/22, Cearbhall O'Meadhra <cearbhall.omeadhra@...> wrote:
Brian,



This is something I did not know before! I'll explore the security settings
and see what change that might make.





All the best,



Cearbhall



m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2022 10:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot log into web site with Firefox



By the way, the Firefox Settings has five true settings panes - General,
Home, Search, Privacy & Security, Sync - plus the allied More from Mozilla
Pane.

I get to the "Pane List" by hitting SHIFT + TAB 3 times immediately after
opening Settings, at which point you will be on the General Pane entry and
can down arrow until you hit Privacy & Security Pane. For any pane, hitting
TAB 4 times from the Pane List gets you to the first setting in that pane.

There may be an easier way, but my "quick and dirty" testing didn't uncover
it.
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Re: Cannot log into web site with Firefox

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Brian,

 

This is something I did not know before! I'll explore the security settings and see what change that might make.

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2022 10:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot log into web site with Firefox

 

By the way, the Firefox Settings has five true settings panes - General, Home, Search, Privacy & Security, Sync - plus the allied More from Mozilla Pane.

I get to the "Pane List" by hitting SHIFT + TAB 3 times immediately after opening Settings, at which point you will be on the General Pane entry and can down arrow until you hit Privacy & Security Pane.  For any pane, hitting TAB 4 times from the Pane List gets you to the first setting in that pane.

There may be an easier way, but my "quick and dirty" testing didn't uncover it.
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Re: Cannot log into web site with Firefox

 

By the way, the Firefox Settings has five true settings panes - General, Home, Search, Privacy & Security, Sync - plus the allied More from Mozilla Pane.

I get to the "Pane List" by hitting SHIFT + TAB 3 times immediately after opening Settings, at which point you will be on the General Pane entry and can down arrow until you hit Privacy & Security Pane.  For any pane, hitting TAB 4 times from the Pane List gets you to the first setting in that pane.

There may be an easier way, but my "quick and dirty" testing didn't uncover it.
--

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You can't crush ideas by suppressing them. You can only crush them by ignoring them.
     ~ Ursula LeGuin, The Dispossessed


Re: Cannot log into web site with Firefox

 

Cearbhall,

Would you mind sending the URL (either via private message or on group) for the page where you're having the problem.  Whether or not one has valid login credentials should not matter based on what you've been saying, as it seems you can't get to the edit boxes (or some of them).

This is another of those issues that really is not going to be solved "in the abstract."  Examination of actual behavior on the page is the key to zeroing in on what's happening and not happening.
--

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You can't crush ideas by suppressing them. You can only crush them by ignoring them.
     ~ Ursula LeGuin, The Dispossessed


Re: Cannot log into web site with Firefox

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Brian,

 

I have just created an NVDA  log file  for the action of opening the dri.ie web page and attempting to enter my email address. No other actions were included. Would you find it useful to look it over and see if you can spot what is blocking the edit?

I won't post it if it is not useful.

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2022 8:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot log into web site with Firefox

 

Cearbhall,

See Mozilla Help Article:  How to Clear the Firefox Cache
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Re: Cannot log into web site with Firefox

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Brain,

 

I have my Firefox set to not save the History. I wonder fi that has hidden the cache management tool?

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2022 8:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot log into web site with Firefox

 

Cearbhall,

See Mozilla Help Article:  How to Clear the Firefox Cache
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Re: Cannot log into web site with Firefox

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Sorry Chris,

 

That keystroke did nothing at all. It does not even show up as a valid command.

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2022 9:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot log into web site with Firefox

 

CTRL+SHIFT+Del

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: May 24, 2022 4:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot log into web site with Firefox

 

Sorry, Brian,

 

I can open settings but the "Privacy & Security panel". Does not show up anywhere in settings as spoken by NVDA.

 

Anyway this editing problem is not temporary or recent but has always been the case. So, perhaps clearing the cache will have nothing to do with NVDA not reading the edit window.

 

I would happily clear the cache if I could find it. If you know how to get there by keystrokes, I would be happy to complete that step.

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2022 8:38 2. Select the Privacy & Security panel. PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot log into web site with Firefox

 

Cearbhall,

See Mozilla Help Article:  How to Clear the Firefox Cache
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Re: Whether or not recommending new NVDA user to set Capslock as NVDA key

Tyler Wood
 

Personally, for me, I prefer capslock. This is mainly because I've trained myself to stop relying on the numpad in my daily use - with most laptops not offering it. Now I find it slightly convenient for desktop layout (which, by the way, can still be used for most navigation commands even if laptop mode is selected in NVDA's keyboard settings), but often times, even when it is available, I find myself reverting to alternative commands from muscle memory.
It's all personal preference - I personally am very adaptable teaching students but I also feel like it's important to offer any alternative available. The numpad insert key may not be there on a laptop, or like me, they may grow to feel more comfortable using capslock as a modifier key, so I think it's important to not only demonstrate desktop commands but laptop as well. I know far too many who rely on the numpad due to how they were initially taught - and at this point, I'm far more proficient using the top number row for data entry than I ever was using the number pad, so perhaps I'm biased.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of William
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2022 12:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Whether or not recommending new NVDA user to set Capslock as NVDA key

I do programming as well, many variables and function names include both
upper case and lower case.

and many of my passwords used in login in include upper and lower case.

So personally I do not use Capslock as NVDA key.

But for new NVDA users, I will try to explain to them the possible
benefits and problems of setting Capslock as NVDA key and let them choose.

But many of them are newly blind people, and they do not have the
knowledge to decide on themselves on whether they should set Capslock as
NVDA key or not.




Carlos Medrano 於 24/5/2022 01:55 寫道:
Hmm. I usually tell people to try it both ways. Keep in mind that I'm
considering this from the perspective of having key echo turned off
and being really aggravated to find out that I've been coding for the
last 5 to 10 minutes in upper case. Most programming languages are
case sensitive, and depending on the programming style used, it's rare
for me to write anything in upper case.


Having Capslock used as a modifier by NVDA makes it much harder for me
to accidentally enable it in this particular case.


Hope this is helpful.


On 5/23/2022 12:38 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
Does JAWS have this option? The only reason I ask is because JAWS was
the first screen reader I used, and this was not the modifier.
Therefore, I've found it quite strange to use that key, even though
NVDA has had it as an option ever since I've been using it. It's also
why I wasn't a fan of the revamped Narrator when it came out, because
that was its only modifier. That being said, it's really user
preference as has been stated before.

On 5/23/22, Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...> wrote:
Hi

I always set Caps Lock as an NVDA modifier Because as a touch
typist, it is
more convenient to have a modifier key on each side of the keyboard to
facilitate command entry. For the same reason, I always get an
external
keyboard with 2 Windows keys.



I rarely type in all capitals so the double press of the Caps Lock
to engage
capital input is not an issue as using the shift key is not difficult.



Cheers

Chris

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From: William
Sent: 23 May 2022 04:14
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Whether or not recommending new NVDA user to set
Capslock as
NVDA key



Hi all,



I would like to ask for your opinion.



Some new NVDA users, including desktop and laptop owners, will ask for

my opinion on whether they should set the Capslock as the NVDA key.



With regard to desktop and laptop environment, the logic that I have

provided them are as follows:



1. setting Capslock key as NVDA key, you have to press the key two
times

in order to input capital letters. But if you have to frequently press

the Capslock key to type capital letters, then setting Capslock key as

NVDA key will not be a good option.



2. setting Capslock key as NVDA key, you have one more option of NVDA

key, which you can choose from using the Capslock key or Insert key as

the NVDA key. But if you do not set Capslock as NVDA key, you will most

probably have to limit to pressing Insert key (laptop) or Insert key or

Numpad 0 (desktop).





How would you advice new NVDA users if they own a desktop or laptop

regarding this issue? thanks.



































Re: Cannot log into web site with Firefox

Chris Smart
 

CTRL+SHIFT+Del

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: May 24, 2022 4:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot log into web site with Firefox

 

Sorry, Brian,

 

I can open settings but the "Privacy & Security panel". Does not show up anywhere in settings as spoken by NVDA.

 

Anyway this editing problem is not temporary or recent but has always been the case. So, perhaps clearing the cache will have nothing to do with NVDA not reading the edit window.

 

I would happily clear the cache if I could find it. If you know how to get there by keystrokes, I would be happy to complete that step.

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2022 8:38 2. Select the Privacy & Security panel. PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot log into web site with Firefox

 

Cearbhall,

See Mozilla Help Article:  How to Clear the Firefox Cache
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

You can't crush ideas by suppressing them. You can only crush them by ignoring them.
     ~ Ursula LeGuin, The Dispossessed

 


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Re: Cannot log into web site with Firefox

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Sorry, Brian,

 

I can open settings but the "Privacy & Security panel". Does not show up anywhere in settings as spoken by NVDA.

 

Anyway this editing problem is not temporary or recent but has always been the case. So, perhaps clearing the cache will have nothing to do with NVDA not reading the edit window.

 

I would happily clear the cache if I could find it. If you know how to get there by keystrokes, I would be happy to complete that step.

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2022 8:38 2. Select the Privacy & Security panel. PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot log into web site with Firefox

 

Cearbhall,

See Mozilla Help Article:  How to Clear the Firefox Cache
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

You can't crush ideas by suppressing them. You can only crush them by ignoring them.
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