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Re: help with an edit field

Gene
 

You didn't cause one.  it isn't your responsibility if people disagree about something you said if you aren't expressing something you think is controversial.  In addition, a little controversy even if you say something people may disagree with, is alright as long as you are staying within the list rules.  I may express an opinion about a program, for example, that is controversial.  There are going to be disagreements.

Gene

On 5/29/2022 11:13 AM, mike mcglashon wrote:

I apologize;

I did not mean to cause a rift.

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 12:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] help with an edit field

 

That's a real example of both civility and intellectual open mindedness.  I didn't know you harbor such hostility toward me. 

If you can't be civil and you refuse to discuss what I say without attacking me, don't bother.

Your last message displays a logical fallacy.  You said that you are confident no one in the accessibility field will agree with me.  So what?  That is arguing from authority and doesn't prove anything.  How many people believed the world was flat before Columbuss? 

You have not, in either answer, presented any reasons for believing what you believe.  You just say what you believe. 

Gene

On 5/29/2022 10:51 AM, David Goldfield wrote:

Lack of accessibility isn’t an error? I am quite certain that nobody in the accessibility field will agree with you but I am done with this conversation. You are free to respond to this if you like but I will, unfortunately, resume my habit of skipping your messages so your response will not be read by me.

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

NVDA Certified Expert

 

Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive news, events and information regarding the blindness assistive technology field.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 11:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] help with an edit field

 

I didn't say anything about what other words someone might want to use, but bug is not correct.  You might want to call it a flaw or an omission, or use some sort of word or phrase that indicates that it is no longer acceptable not to include accessibility, but it isn't a bug. 

One definition from Google I just looked up is:
"an error in a computer program or system."

Lack of accessibility isn't an error.  It may be unconscionable, unacceptable or you may wish to use other wording, but it is not an error.

Gene

On 5/29/2022 10:27 AM, David Goldfield wrote:

Gene wrote:

> I don't consider lack of accessibility to be a bug. 

 

As an accessibility tester I disagree. I understand what you are saying in your example of a stove which doesn’t take inclusive design into account. However, if you have a Web site which has no labels on form fields or which doesn’t expose an edit field to a screen reader this is definitely considered a bug or defect and needs to be treated as such.

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

NVDA Certified Expert

 

Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive news, events and information regarding the blindness assistive technology field.

Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 9:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] help with an edit field

 

I don't consider lack of accessibility to be a bug.  A bug is an unintended behavior.  Saying a lack of accessibility is a bug implies that the item was intended to be accessible but isn't because of unanticipated problem or problems. 

If a stove isn't accessible and isn't designed to be, that isn't a bug.  You may call it a flaw, a serious flaw, you may describe it as you wish in terms of advocating for more accessibility, but it isn't a bug.  It is operating as designed. 

If my stove is designed to be accessible and the speech is giving inaccurate numbers as I move through settings, that is a bug. 

Gene

On 5/29/2022 7:49 AM, mike mcglashon wrote:

Quoting:

On considering this further, I don't know if this is a bug in anything. 

It may be that the results shown as you move aren't announced because the function isn't designed to be accessible.
end quote:

 

Wow, wouldn’t that be considered a “major” bug then? Or,

At least a “big flaw”?

Isn’t that bad if someone designs a control on a page to be purposefully inaccessible?

(especially a school clearing house)?

 

Just curious?

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 8:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] help with an edit field

 

It appears i was wrong about the edit field.  It appears to be a standard edit field.  I didn't hear anything about number of results and moving up and down, as I recall.  I did try using the search field where you enter a key word to find your school and I then got results like yours. 

I figured out how to find a school name.  Its a little work but you can accomplish this in the following way:
Follow the key word search link.
An edit field will become available.  If you are not in forms mode go into forms mode.  Just pressing enter where you are after following the link should do it.
Be in forms mode in the key word search edit field.
Type a word such as Chicago.
You will hear how many results there are.
Down arrow to the first one.  You won't hear the school read but you will hear that you are on the first result.
Press enter.  You have now placed the name in the field you are in and it can be read while in forms mode.  I don't recall if you automatically hear it but you can use read current line or maybe just pressing the down or up arrow will read it.
If that is not the result you want, select all, control a, and press delete.
Write Chicago again.
Down arrow to the second result and press enter.
Again, you will be able to hear the word.
Follow this procedure until you hear the name you want.
Once you do, it is in the field it should be in and you can then activate the continue button, which will now be available.

On considering this further, I don't know if this is a bug in anything.  It may be that the results shown as you move aren't announced because the function isn't designed to be accessible.

Gene

On 5/29/2022 7:07 AM, Gene via groups.io wrote:

No, it isn't standard.  I had to press enter on select a school to make the field editable in the first place.  Then I had to press enter again, since  I am using manual switching in NVDA, to go into forms mode.  You may have to as well, since you are in a field that is not initially editable. 

As far as the select a school edit field is concerned, is that the field you are discussing?  I'll look at the field again but I thought I heard select  a number when I was

Gene

On 5/28/2022 11:36 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:

Yes, that's standard edit commands. However, when I start typing the
name of a school, NVDA says "this is an auto complete element and
there are # results available. Keyboard users, use up and down arrows
to select an option." The # in the example is, as one might guess, an
actual number. However, when using up and down arrow with NVDA in
focus mode, I just get the same auto complete message and NVDA reads
what I've already typed in, it won't let me actually choose a result.
The question is how do I actually choose a result as intended?
 
On 5/28/22, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
When you are on the line that says enter the name of the school, press
enter.  That makes the field editable and you can then press enter again
to go into focus mode if you aren't automatically placed in it.
 
Gene
 
On 5/28/2022 10:07 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
Hi all,
Is the edit field on this page not a conventional one? I play Heardle
every day, and it looks like the edit box on this page should work
similar to that one, but I can't seem to get the one here to work. All
I hear is NVDA telling me that this is an edit box that contains
multiple selections, and how many results are available, but I can't
seem to choose any results. The same happens when you're trying to
select a school to send to, and I suspect I won't have to enter as
much information as it's asking for if I could choose a result. Any
help on this would be appreciated, as I've put this off for two weeks
already. The link is
https://tsorder.studentclearinghouse.org/school/select
Thanks,
Bob
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: help with an edit field

mike mcglashon
 

I apologize;

I did not mean to cause a rift.

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 12:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] help with an edit field

 

That's a real example of both civility and intellectual open mindedness.  I didn't know you harbor such hostility toward me. 

If you can't be civil and you refuse to discuss what I say without attacking me, don't bother.

Your last message displays a logical fallacy.  You said that you are confident no one in the accessibility field will agree with me.  So what?  That is arguing from authority and doesn't prove anything.  How many people believed the world was flat before Columbuss? 

You have not, in either answer, presented any reasons for believing what you believe.  You just say what you believe. 

Gene

On 5/29/2022 10:51 AM, David Goldfield wrote:

Lack of accessibility isn’t an error? I am quite certain that nobody in the accessibility field will agree with you but I am done with this conversation. You are free to respond to this if you like but I will, unfortunately, resume my habit of skipping your messages so your response will not be read by me.

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

NVDA Certified Expert

 

Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive news, events and information regarding the blindness assistive technology field.

Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io

www.DavidGoldfield.org

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 11:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] help with an edit field

 

I didn't say anything about what other words someone might want to use, but bug is not correct.  You might want to call it a flaw or an omission, or use some sort of word or phrase that indicates that it is no longer acceptable not to include accessibility, but it isn't a bug. 

One definition from Google I just looked up is:
"an error in a computer program or system."

Lack of accessibility isn't an error.  It may be unconscionable, unacceptable or you may wish to use other wording, but it is not an error.

Gene

On 5/29/2022 10:27 AM, David Goldfield wrote:

Gene wrote:

> I don't consider lack of accessibility to be a bug. 

 

As an accessibility tester I disagree. I understand what you are saying in your example of a stove which doesn’t take inclusive design into account. However, if you have a Web site which has no labels on form fields or which doesn’t expose an edit field to a screen reader this is definitely considered a bug or defect and needs to be treated as such.

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

NVDA Certified Expert

 

Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive news, events and information regarding the blindness assistive technology field.

Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io

www.DavidGoldfield.org

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 9:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] help with an edit field

 

I don't consider lack of accessibility to be a bug.  A bug is an unintended behavior.  Saying a lack of accessibility is a bug implies that the item was intended to be accessible but isn't because of unanticipated problem or problems. 

If a stove isn't accessible and isn't designed to be, that isn't a bug.  You may call it a flaw, a serious flaw, you may describe it as you wish in terms of advocating for more accessibility, but it isn't a bug.  It is operating as designed. 

If my stove is designed to be accessible and the speech is giving inaccurate numbers as I move through settings, that is a bug. 

Gene

On 5/29/2022 7:49 AM, mike mcglashon wrote:

Quoting:

On considering this further, I don't know if this is a bug in anything. 

It may be that the results shown as you move aren't announced because the function isn't designed to be accessible.
end quote:

 

Wow, wouldn’t that be considered a “major” bug then? Or,

At least a “big flaw”?

Isn’t that bad if someone designs a control on a page to be purposefully inaccessible?

(especially a school clearing house)?

 

Just curious?

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 8:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] help with an edit field

 

It appears i was wrong about the edit field.  It appears to be a standard edit field.  I didn't hear anything about number of results and moving up and down, as I recall.  I did try using the search field where you enter a key word to find your school and I then got results like yours. 

I figured out how to find a school name.  Its a little work but you can accomplish this in the following way:
Follow the key word search link.
An edit field will become available.  If you are not in forms mode go into forms mode.  Just pressing enter where you are after following the link should do it.
Be in forms mode in the key word search edit field.
Type a word such as Chicago.
You will hear how many results there are.
Down arrow to the first one.  You won't hear the school read but you will hear that you are on the first result.
Press enter.  You have now placed the name in the field you are in and it can be read while in forms mode.  I don't recall if you automatically hear it but you can use read current line or maybe just pressing the down or up arrow will read it.
If that is not the result you want, select all, control a, and press delete.
Write Chicago again.
Down arrow to the second result and press enter.
Again, you will be able to hear the word.
Follow this procedure until you hear the name you want.
Once you do, it is in the field it should be in and you can then activate the continue button, which will now be available.

On considering this further, I don't know if this is a bug in anything.  It may be that the results shown as you move aren't announced because the function isn't designed to be accessible.

Gene

On 5/29/2022 7:07 AM, Gene via groups.io wrote:

No, it isn't standard.  I had to press enter on select a school to make the field editable in the first place.  Then I had to press enter again, since  I am using manual switching in NVDA, to go into forms mode.  You may have to as well, since you are in a field that is not initially editable. 

As far as the select a school edit field is concerned, is that the field you are discussing?  I'll look at the field again but I thought I heard select  a number when I was

Gene

On 5/28/2022 11:36 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:

Yes, that's standard edit commands. However, when I start typing the
name of a school, NVDA says "this is an auto complete element and
there are # results available. Keyboard users, use up and down arrows
to select an option." The # in the example is, as one might guess, an
actual number. However, when using up and down arrow with NVDA in
focus mode, I just get the same auto complete message and NVDA reads
what I've already typed in, it won't let me actually choose a result.
The question is how do I actually choose a result as intended?
 
On 5/28/22, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
When you are on the line that says enter the name of the school, press
enter.  That makes the field editable and you can then press enter again
to go into focus mode if you aren't automatically placed in it.
 
Gene
 
On 5/28/2022 10:07 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
Hi all,
Is the edit field on this page not a conventional one? I play Heardle
every day, and it looks like the edit box on this page should work
similar to that one, but I can't seem to get the one here to work. All
I hear is NVDA telling me that this is an edit box that contains
multiple selections, and how many results are available, but I can't
seem to choose any results. The same happens when you're trying to
select a school to send to, and I suspect I won't have to enter as
much information as it's asking for if I could choose a result. Any
help on this would be appreciated, as I've put this off for two weeks
already. The link is
https://tsorder.studentclearinghouse.org/school/select
Thanks,
Bob
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
.

 

 

 

 

 


Re: help with an edit field

Gene
 

That's a real example of both civility and intellectual open mindedness.  I didn't know you harbor such hostility toward me. 

If you can't be civil and you refuse to discuss what I say without attacking me, don't bother.

Your last message displays a logical fallacy.  You said that you are confident no one in the accessibility field will agree with me.  So what?  That is arguing from authority and doesn't prove anything.  How many people believed the world was flat before Columbuss? 

You have not, in either answer, presented any reasons for believing what you believe.  You just say what you believe. 

Gene

On 5/29/2022 10:51 AM, David Goldfield wrote:

Lack of accessibility isn’t an error? I am quite certain that nobody in the accessibility field will agree with you but I am done with this conversation. You are free to respond to this if you like but I will, unfortunately, resume my habit of skipping your messages so your response will not be read by me.

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

NVDA Certified Expert

 

Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive news, events and information regarding the blindness assistive technology field.

Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io

www.DavidGoldfield.org

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 11:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] help with an edit field

 

I didn't say anything about what other words someone might want to use, but bug is not correct.  You might want to call it a flaw or an omission, or use some sort of word or phrase that indicates that it is no longer acceptable not to include accessibility, but it isn't a bug. 

One definition from Google I just looked up is:
"an error in a computer program or system."

Lack of accessibility isn't an error.  It may be unconscionable, unacceptable or you may wish to use other wording, but it is not an error.

Gene

On 5/29/2022 10:27 AM, David Goldfield wrote:

Gene wrote:

> I don't consider lack of accessibility to be a bug. 

 

As an accessibility tester I disagree. I understand what you are saying in your example of a stove which doesn’t take inclusive design into account. However, if you have a Web site which has no labels on form fields or which doesn’t expose an edit field to a screen reader this is definitely considered a bug or defect and needs to be treated as such.

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

NVDA Certified Expert

 

Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive news, events and information regarding the blindness assistive technology field.

Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io

www.DavidGoldfield.org

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 9:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] help with an edit field

 

I don't consider lack of accessibility to be a bug.  A bug is an unintended behavior.  Saying a lack of accessibility is a bug implies that the item was intended to be accessible but isn't because of unanticipated problem or problems. 

If a stove isn't accessible and isn't designed to be, that isn't a bug.  You may call it a flaw, a serious flaw, you may describe it as you wish in terms of advocating for more accessibility, but it isn't a bug.  It is operating as designed. 

If my stove is designed to be accessible and the speech is giving inaccurate numbers as I move through settings, that is a bug. 

Gene

On 5/29/2022 7:49 AM, mike mcglashon wrote:

Quoting:

On considering this further, I don't know if this is a bug in anything. 

It may be that the results shown as you move aren't announced because the function isn't designed to be accessible.
end quote:

 

Wow, wouldn’t that be considered a “major” bug then? Or,

At least a “big flaw”?

Isn’t that bad if someone designs a control on a page to be purposefully inaccessible?

(especially a school clearing house)?

 

Just curious?

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 8:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] help with an edit field

 

It appears i was wrong about the edit field.  It appears to be a standard edit field.  I didn't hear anything about number of results and moving up and down, as I recall.  I did try using the search field where you enter a key word to find your school and I then got results like yours. 

I figured out how to find a school name.  Its a little work but you can accomplish this in the following way:
Follow the key word search link.
An edit field will become available.  If you are not in forms mode go into forms mode.  Just pressing enter where you are after following the link should do it.
Be in forms mode in the key word search edit field.
Type a word such as Chicago.
You will hear how many results there are.
Down arrow to the first one.  You won't hear the school read but you will hear that you are on the first result.
Press enter.  You have now placed the name in the field you are in and it can be read while in forms mode.  I don't recall if you automatically hear it but you can use read current line or maybe just pressing the down or up arrow will read it.
If that is not the result you want, select all, control a, and press delete.
Write Chicago again.
Down arrow to the second result and press enter.
Again, you will be able to hear the word.
Follow this procedure until you hear the name you want.
Once you do, it is in the field it should be in and you can then activate the continue button, which will now be available.

On considering this further, I don't know if this is a bug in anything.  It may be that the results shown as you move aren't announced because the function isn't designed to be accessible.

Gene

On 5/29/2022 7:07 AM, Gene via groups.io wrote:

No, it isn't standard.  I had to press enter on select a school to make the field editable in the first place.  Then I had to press enter again, since  I am using manual switching in NVDA, to go into forms mode.  You may have to as well, since you are in a field that is not initially editable. 

As far as the select a school edit field is concerned, is that the field you are discussing?  I'll look at the field again but I thought I heard select  a number when I was

Gene

On 5/28/2022 11:36 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:

Yes, that's standard edit commands. However, when I start typing the
name of a school, NVDA says "this is an auto complete element and
there are # results available. Keyboard users, use up and down arrows
to select an option." The # in the example is, as one might guess, an
actual number. However, when using up and down arrow with NVDA in
focus mode, I just get the same auto complete message and NVDA reads
what I've already typed in, it won't let me actually choose a result.
The question is how do I actually choose a result as intended?
 
On 5/28/22, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
When you are on the line that says enter the name of the school, press
enter.  That makes the field editable and you can then press enter again
to go into focus mode if you aren't automatically placed in it.
 
Gene
 
On 5/28/2022 10:07 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
Hi all,
Is the edit field on this page not a conventional one? I play Heardle
every day, and it looks like the edit box on this page should work
similar to that one, but I can't seem to get the one here to work. All
I hear is NVDA telling me that this is an edit box that contains
multiple selections, and how many results are available, but I can't
seem to choose any results. The same happens when you're trying to
select a school to send to, and I suspect I won't have to enter as
much information as it's asking for if I could choose a result. Any
help on this would be appreciated, as I've put this off for two weeks
already. The link is
https://tsorder.studentclearinghouse.org/school/select
Thanks,
Bob
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
.

 

 

 

 



Re: help with an edit field

David Goldfield
 

Lack of accessibility isn’t an error? I am quite certain that nobody in the accessibility field will agree with you but I am done with this conversation. You are free to respond to this if you like but I will, unfortunately, resume my habit of skipping your messages so your response will not be read by me.

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

NVDA Certified Expert

 

Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive news, events and information regarding the blindness assistive technology field.

Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io

www.DavidGoldfield.org

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 11:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] help with an edit field

 

I didn't say anything about what other words someone might want to use, but bug is not correct.  You might want to call it a flaw or an omission, or use some sort of word or phrase that indicates that it is no longer acceptable not to include accessibility, but it isn't a bug. 

One definition from Google I just looked up is:
"an error in a computer program or system."

Lack of accessibility isn't an error.  It may be unconscionable, unacceptable or you may wish to use other wording, but it is not an error.

Gene

On 5/29/2022 10:27 AM, David Goldfield wrote:

Gene wrote:

> I don't consider lack of accessibility to be a bug. 

 

As an accessibility tester I disagree. I understand what you are saying in your example of a stove which doesn’t take inclusive design into account. However, if you have a Web site which has no labels on form fields or which doesn’t expose an edit field to a screen reader this is definitely considered a bug or defect and needs to be treated as such.

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

NVDA Certified Expert

 

Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive news, events and information regarding the blindness assistive technology field.

Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io

www.DavidGoldfield.org

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 9:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] help with an edit field

 

I don't consider lack of accessibility to be a bug.  A bug is an unintended behavior.  Saying a lack of accessibility is a bug implies that the item was intended to be accessible but isn't because of unanticipated problem or problems. 

If a stove isn't accessible and isn't designed to be, that isn't a bug.  You may call it a flaw, a serious flaw, you may describe it as you wish in terms of advocating for more accessibility, but it isn't a bug.  It is operating as designed. 

If my stove is designed to be accessible and the speech is giving inaccurate numbers as I move through settings, that is a bug. 

Gene

On 5/29/2022 7:49 AM, mike mcglashon wrote:

Quoting:

On considering this further, I don't know if this is a bug in anything. 

It may be that the results shown as you move aren't announced because the function isn't designed to be accessible.
end quote:

 

Wow, wouldn’t that be considered a “major” bug then? Or,

At least a “big flaw”?

Isn’t that bad if someone designs a control on a page to be purposefully inaccessible?

(especially a school clearing house)?

 

Just curious?

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 8:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] help with an edit field

 

It appears i was wrong about the edit field.  It appears to be a standard edit field.  I didn't hear anything about number of results and moving up and down, as I recall.  I did try using the search field where you enter a key word to find your school and I then got results like yours. 

I figured out how to find a school name.  Its a little work but you can accomplish this in the following way:
Follow the key word search link.
An edit field will become available.  If you are not in forms mode go into forms mode.  Just pressing enter where you are after following the link should do it.
Be in forms mode in the key word search edit field.
Type a word such as Chicago.
You will hear how many results there are.
Down arrow to the first one.  You won't hear the school read but you will hear that you are on the first result.
Press enter.  You have now placed the name in the field you are in and it can be read while in forms mode.  I don't recall if you automatically hear it but you can use read current line or maybe just pressing the down or up arrow will read it.
If that is not the result you want, select all, control a, and press delete.
Write Chicago again.
Down arrow to the second result and press enter.
Again, you will be able to hear the word.
Follow this procedure until you hear the name you want.
Once you do, it is in the field it should be in and you can then activate the continue button, which will now be available.

On considering this further, I don't know if this is a bug in anything.  It may be that the results shown as you move aren't announced because the function isn't designed to be accessible.

Gene

On 5/29/2022 7:07 AM, Gene via groups.io wrote:

No, it isn't standard.  I had to press enter on select a school to make the field editable in the first place.  Then I had to press enter again, since  I am using manual switching in NVDA, to go into forms mode.  You may have to as well, since you are in a field that is not initially editable. 

As far as the select a school edit field is concerned, is that the field you are discussing?  I'll look at the field again but I thought I heard select  a number when I was

Gene

On 5/28/2022 11:36 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:

Yes, that's standard edit commands. However, when I start typing the
name of a school, NVDA says "this is an auto complete element and
there are # results available. Keyboard users, use up and down arrows
to select an option." The # in the example is, as one might guess, an
actual number. However, when using up and down arrow with NVDA in
focus mode, I just get the same auto complete message and NVDA reads
what I've already typed in, it won't let me actually choose a result.
The question is how do I actually choose a result as intended?
 
On 5/28/22, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
When you are on the line that says enter the name of the school, press
enter.  That makes the field editable and you can then press enter again
to go into focus mode if you aren't automatically placed in it.
 
Gene
 
On 5/28/2022 10:07 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
Hi all,
Is the edit field on this page not a conventional one? I play Heardle
every day, and it looks like the edit box on this page should work
similar to that one, but I can't seem to get the one here to work. All
I hear is NVDA telling me that this is an edit box that contains
multiple selections, and how many results are available, but I can't
seem to choose any results. The same happens when you're trying to
select a school to send to, and I suspect I won't have to enter as
much information as it's asking for if I could choose a result. Any
help on this would be appreciated, as I've put this off for two weeks
already. The link is
https://tsorder.studentclearinghouse.org/school/select
Thanks,
Bob
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
.

 

 

 

 


Re: help with an edit field

Gene
 

Also, consider that referring to lack of accessibility aws  a bug makes it sound benign, it was just an unforeseen and unforeseeable error that didn't become evident through testing and evaluation until now.  Lack of accessibility is either a lack of knowledge or a lack of concern or a belief that it isn't necessary for your product.  A bug is something that is in a program that isn't known until testing brings it out.

Gene

On 5/29/2022 10:46 AM, Gene via groups.io wrote:

I didn't say anything about what other words someone might want to use, but bug is not correct.  You might want to call it a flaw or an omission, or use some sort of word or phrase that indicates that it is no longer acceptable not to include accessibility, but it isn't a bug. 

One definition from Google I just looked up is:
"an error in a computer program or system."

Lack of accessibility isn't an error.  It may be unconscionable, unacceptable or you may wish to use other wording, but it is not an error.

Gene

On 5/29/2022 10:27 AM, David Goldfield wrote:

Gene wrote:

> I don't consider lack of accessibility to be a bug. 

 

As an accessibility tester I disagree. I understand what you are saying in your example of a stove which doesn’t take inclusive design into account. However, if you have a Web site which has no labels on form fields or which doesn’t expose an edit field to a screen reader this is definitely considered a bug or defect and needs to be treated as such.

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

NVDA Certified Expert

 

Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive news, events and information regarding the blindness assistive technology field.

Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io

www.DavidGoldfield.org

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 9:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] help with an edit field

 

I don't consider lack of accessibility to be a bug.  A bug is an unintended behavior.  Saying a lack of accessibility is a bug implies that the item was intended to be accessible but isn't because of unanticipated problem or problems. 

If a stove isn't accessible and isn't designed to be, that isn't a bug.  You may call it a flaw, a serious flaw, you may describe it as you wish in terms of advocating for more accessibility, but it isn't a bug.  It is operating as designed. 

If my stove is designed to be accessible and the speech is giving inaccurate numbers as I move through settings, that is a bug. 

Gene

On 5/29/2022 7:49 AM, mike mcglashon wrote:

Quoting:

On considering this further, I don't know if this is a bug in anything. 

It may be that the results shown as you move aren't announced because the function isn't designed to be accessible.
end quote:

 

Wow, wouldn’t that be considered a “major” bug then? Or,

At least a “big flaw”?

Isn’t that bad if someone designs a control on a page to be purposefully inaccessible?

(especially a school clearing house)?

 

Just curious?

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 8:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] help with an edit field

 

It appears i was wrong about the edit field.  It appears to be a standard edit field.  I didn't hear anything about number of results and moving up and down, as I recall.  I did try using the search field where you enter a key word to find your school and I then got results like yours. 

I figured out how to find a school name.  Its a little work but you can accomplish this in the following way:
Follow the key word search link.
An edit field will become available.  If you are not in forms mode go into forms mode.  Just pressing enter where you are after following the link should do it.
Be in forms mode in the key word search edit field.
Type a word such as Chicago.
You will hear how many results there are.
Down arrow to the first one.  You won't hear the school read but you will hear that you are on the first result.
Press enter.  You have now placed the name in the field you are in and it can be read while in forms mode.  I don't recall if you automatically hear it but you can use read current line or maybe just pressing the down or up arrow will read it.
If that is not the result you want, select all, control a, and press delete.
Write Chicago again.
Down arrow to the second result and press enter.
Again, you will be able to hear the word.
Follow this procedure until you hear the name you want.
Once you do, it is in the field it should be in and you can then activate the continue button, which will now be available.

On considering this further, I don't know if this is a bug in anything.  It may be that the results shown as you move aren't announced because the function isn't designed to be accessible.

Gene

On 5/29/2022 7:07 AM, Gene via groups.io wrote:

No, it isn't standard.  I had to press enter on select a school to make the field editable in the first place.  Then I had to press enter again, since  I am using manual switching in NVDA, to go into forms mode.  You may have to as well, since you are in a field that is not initially editable. 

As far as the select a school edit field is concerned, is that the field you are discussing?  I'll look at the field again but I thought I heard select  a number when I was

Gene

On 5/28/2022 11:36 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:

Yes, that's standard edit commands. However, when I start typing the
name of a school, NVDA says "this is an auto complete element and
there are # results available. Keyboard users, use up and down arrows
to select an option." The # in the example is, as one might guess, an
actual number. However, when using up and down arrow with NVDA in
focus mode, I just get the same auto complete message and NVDA reads
what I've already typed in, it won't let me actually choose a result.
The question is how do I actually choose a result as intended?
 
On 5/28/22, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
When you are on the line that says enter the name of the school, press
enter.  That makes the field editable and you can then press enter again
to go into focus mode if you aren't automatically placed in it.
 
Gene
 
On 5/28/2022 10:07 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
Hi all,
Is the edit field on this page not a conventional one? I play Heardle
every day, and it looks like the edit box on this page should work
similar to that one, but I can't seem to get the one here to work. All
I hear is NVDA telling me that this is an edit box that contains
multiple selections, and how many results are available, but I can't
seem to choose any results. The same happens when you're trying to
select a school to send to, and I suspect I won't have to enter as
much information as it's asking for if I could choose a result. Any
help on this would be appreciated, as I've put this off for two weeks
already. The link is
https://tsorder.studentclearinghouse.org/school/select
Thanks,
Bob
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
.

 

 

 




Re: help with an edit field

Gene
 

I didn't say anything about what other words someone might want to use, but bug is not correct.  You might want to call it a flaw or an omission, or use some sort of word or phrase that indicates that it is no longer acceptable not to include accessibility, but it isn't a bug. 

One definition from Google I just looked up is:
"an error in a computer program or system."

Lack of accessibility isn't an error.  It may be unconscionable, unacceptable or you may wish to use other wording, but it is not an error.

Gene

On 5/29/2022 10:27 AM, David Goldfield wrote:

Gene wrote:

> I don't consider lack of accessibility to be a bug. 

 

As an accessibility tester I disagree. I understand what you are saying in your example of a stove which doesn’t take inclusive design into account. However, if you have a Web site which has no labels on form fields or which doesn’t expose an edit field to a screen reader this is definitely considered a bug or defect and needs to be treated as such.

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

NVDA Certified Expert

 

Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive news, events and information regarding the blindness assistive technology field.

Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io

www.DavidGoldfield.org

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 9:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] help with an edit field

 

I don't consider lack of accessibility to be a bug.  A bug is an unintended behavior.  Saying a lack of accessibility is a bug implies that the item was intended to be accessible but isn't because of unanticipated problem or problems. 

If a stove isn't accessible and isn't designed to be, that isn't a bug.  You may call it a flaw, a serious flaw, you may describe it as you wish in terms of advocating for more accessibility, but it isn't a bug.  It is operating as designed. 

If my stove is designed to be accessible and the speech is giving inaccurate numbers as I move through settings, that is a bug. 

Gene

On 5/29/2022 7:49 AM, mike mcglashon wrote:

Quoting:

On considering this further, I don't know if this is a bug in anything. 

It may be that the results shown as you move aren't announced because the function isn't designed to be accessible.
end quote:

 

Wow, wouldn’t that be considered a “major” bug then? Or,

At least a “big flaw”?

Isn’t that bad if someone designs a control on a page to be purposefully inaccessible?

(especially a school clearing house)?

 

Just curious?

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 8:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] help with an edit field

 

It appears i was wrong about the edit field.  It appears to be a standard edit field.  I didn't hear anything about number of results and moving up and down, as I recall.  I did try using the search field where you enter a key word to find your school and I then got results like yours. 

I figured out how to find a school name.  Its a little work but you can accomplish this in the following way:
Follow the key word search link.
An edit field will become available.  If you are not in forms mode go into forms mode.  Just pressing enter where you are after following the link should do it.
Be in forms mode in the key word search edit field.
Type a word such as Chicago.
You will hear how many results there are.
Down arrow to the first one.  You won't hear the school read but you will hear that you are on the first result.
Press enter.  You have now placed the name in the field you are in and it can be read while in forms mode.  I don't recall if you automatically hear it but you can use read current line or maybe just pressing the down or up arrow will read it.
If that is not the result you want, select all, control a, and press delete.
Write Chicago again.
Down arrow to the second result and press enter.
Again, you will be able to hear the word.
Follow this procedure until you hear the name you want.
Once you do, it is in the field it should be in and you can then activate the continue button, which will now be available.

On considering this further, I don't know if this is a bug in anything.  It may be that the results shown as you move aren't announced because the function isn't designed to be accessible.

Gene

On 5/29/2022 7:07 AM, Gene via groups.io wrote:

No, it isn't standard.  I had to press enter on select a school to make the field editable in the first place.  Then I had to press enter again, since  I am using manual switching in NVDA, to go into forms mode.  You may have to as well, since you are in a field that is not initially editable. 

As far as the select a school edit field is concerned, is that the field you are discussing?  I'll look at the field again but I thought I heard select  a number when I was

Gene

On 5/28/2022 11:36 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:

Yes, that's standard edit commands. However, when I start typing the
name of a school, NVDA says "this is an auto complete element and
there are # results available. Keyboard users, use up and down arrows
to select an option." The # in the example is, as one might guess, an
actual number. However, when using up and down arrow with NVDA in
focus mode, I just get the same auto complete message and NVDA reads
what I've already typed in, it won't let me actually choose a result.
The question is how do I actually choose a result as intended?
 
On 5/28/22, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
When you are on the line that says enter the name of the school, press
enter.  That makes the field editable and you can then press enter again
to go into focus mode if you aren't automatically placed in it.
 
Gene
 
On 5/28/2022 10:07 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
Hi all,
Is the edit field on this page not a conventional one? I play Heardle
every day, and it looks like the edit box on this page should work
similar to that one, but I can't seem to get the one here to work. All
I hear is NVDA telling me that this is an edit box that contains
multiple selections, and how many results are available, but I can't
seem to choose any results. The same happens when you're trying to
select a school to send to, and I suspect I won't have to enter as
much information as it's asking for if I could choose a result. Any
help on this would be appreciated, as I've put this off for two weeks
already. The link is
https://tsorder.studentclearinghouse.org/school/select
Thanks,
Bob
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
.

 

 

 



Re: NVDA Add-Ons - About Updating

anthony borg
 

Hi Joesph

 

I really wishing you a good vacation. You really deserve it.

 

Hth

 

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: 28 May 2022 23:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Add-Ons - About Updating

 

Hi,

Two things:

  1. Add-on Updater will update disabled add-ons (do not confuse this with incompatible add-ons). An add-on update will be shown if: there is an actual update (version differences) and the add-on is seen as compatible with the NVDA version you have.
  2. As for add-ons mentioned in recent thread such as Speech History (see a different thread on that add-on), all I can say is that a birdy told me that significant events are on the horizon (shhh, not here).

Cheers,

Joseph (my official vacation starts on May 31, 2022)


Re: help with an edit field

David Goldfield
 

Gene wrote:

> I don't consider lack of accessibility to be a bug. 

 

As an accessibility tester I disagree. I understand what you are saying in your example of a stove which doesn’t take inclusive design into account. However, if you have a Web site which has no labels on form fields or which doesn’t expose an edit field to a screen reader this is definitely considered a bug or defect and needs to be treated as such.

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

NVDA Certified Expert

 

Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive news, events and information regarding the blindness assistive technology field.

Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io

www.DavidGoldfield.org

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 9:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] help with an edit field

 

I don't consider lack of accessibility to be a bug.  A bug is an unintended behavior.  Saying a lack of accessibility is a bug implies that the item was intended to be accessible but isn't because of unanticipated problem or problems. 

If a stove isn't accessible and isn't designed to be, that isn't a bug.  You may call it a flaw, a serious flaw, you may describe it as you wish in terms of advocating for more accessibility, but it isn't a bug.  It is operating as designed. 

If my stove is designed to be accessible and the speech is giving inaccurate numbers as I move through settings, that is a bug. 

Gene

On 5/29/2022 7:49 AM, mike mcglashon wrote:

Quoting:

On considering this further, I don't know if this is a bug in anything. 

It may be that the results shown as you move aren't announced because the function isn't designed to be accessible.
end quote:

 

Wow, wouldn’t that be considered a “major” bug then? Or,

At least a “big flaw”?

Isn’t that bad if someone designs a control on a page to be purposefully inaccessible?

(especially a school clearing house)?

 

Just curious?

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 8:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] help with an edit field

 

It appears i was wrong about the edit field.  It appears to be a standard edit field.  I didn't hear anything about number of results and moving up and down, as I recall.  I did try using the search field where you enter a key word to find your school and I then got results like yours. 

I figured out how to find a school name.  Its a little work but you can accomplish this in the following way:
Follow the key word search link.
An edit field will become available.  If you are not in forms mode go into forms mode.  Just pressing enter where you are after following the link should do it.
Be in forms mode in the key word search edit field.
Type a word such as Chicago.
You will hear how many results there are.
Down arrow to the first one.  You won't hear the school read but you will hear that you are on the first result.
Press enter.  You have now placed the name in the field you are in and it can be read while in forms mode.  I don't recall if you automatically hear it but you can use read current line or maybe just pressing the down or up arrow will read it.
If that is not the result you want, select all, control a, and press delete.
Write Chicago again.
Down arrow to the second result and press enter.
Again, you will be able to hear the word.
Follow this procedure until you hear the name you want.
Once you do, it is in the field it should be in and you can then activate the continue button, which will now be available.

On considering this further, I don't know if this is a bug in anything.  It may be that the results shown as you move aren't announced because the function isn't designed to be accessible.

Gene

On 5/29/2022 7:07 AM, Gene via groups.io wrote:

No, it isn't standard.  I had to press enter on select a school to make the field editable in the first place.  Then I had to press enter again, since  I am using manual switching in NVDA, to go into forms mode.  You may have to as well, since you are in a field that is not initially editable. 

As far as the select a school edit field is concerned, is that the field you are discussing?  I'll look at the field again but I thought I heard select  a number when I was

Gene

On 5/28/2022 11:36 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:

Yes, that's standard edit commands. However, when I start typing the
name of a school, NVDA says "this is an auto complete element and
there are # results available. Keyboard users, use up and down arrows
to select an option." The # in the example is, as one might guess, an
actual number. However, when using up and down arrow with NVDA in
focus mode, I just get the same auto complete message and NVDA reads
what I've already typed in, it won't let me actually choose a result.
The question is how do I actually choose a result as intended?
 
On 5/28/22, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
When you are on the line that says enter the name of the school, press
enter.  That makes the field editable and you can then press enter again
to go into focus mode if you aren't automatically placed in it.
 
Gene
 
On 5/28/2022 10:07 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
Hi all,
Is the edit field on this page not a conventional one? I play Heardle
every day, and it looks like the edit box on this page should work
similar to that one, but I can't seem to get the one here to work. All
I hear is NVDA telling me that this is an edit box that contains
multiple selections, and how many results are available, but I can't
seem to choose any results. The same happens when you're trying to
select a school to send to, and I suspect I won't have to enter as
much information as it's asking for if I could choose a result. Any
help on this would be appreciated, as I've put this off for two weeks
already. The link is
https://tsorder.studentclearinghouse.org/school/select
Thanks,
Bob
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
.

 

 

 


Re: help with an edit field

mike mcglashon
 

Fair enough,

Point well taken.

 

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 9:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] help with an edit field

 

I don't consider lack of accessibility to be a bug.  A bug is an unintended behavior.  Saying a lack of accessibility is a bug implies that the item was intended to be accessible but isn't because of unanticipated problem or problems. 

If a stove isn't accessible and isn't designed to be, that isn't a bug.  You may call it a flaw, a serious flaw, you may describe it as you wish in terms of advocating for more accessibility, but it isn't a bug.  It is operating as designed. 

If my stove is designed to be accessible and the speech is giving inaccurate numbers as I move through settings, that is a bug. 

Gene

On 5/29/2022 7:49 AM, mike mcglashon wrote:

Quoting:

On considering this further, I don't know if this is a bug in anything. 

It may be that the results shown as you move aren't announced because the function isn't designed to be accessible.
end quote:

 

Wow, wouldn’t that be considered a “major” bug then? Or,

At least a “big flaw”?

Isn’t that bad if someone designs a control on a page to be purposefully inaccessible?

(especially a school clearing house)?

 

Just curious?

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 8:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] help with an edit field

 

It appears i was wrong about the edit field.  It appears to be a standard edit field.  I didn't hear anything about number of results and moving up and down, as I recall.  I did try using the search field where you enter a key word to find your school and I then got results like yours. 

I figured out how to find a school name.  Its a little work but you can accomplish this in the following way:
Follow the key word search link.
An edit field will become available.  If you are not in forms mode go into forms mode.  Just pressing enter where you are after following the link should do it.
Be in forms mode in the key word search edit field.
Type a word such as Chicago.
You will hear how many results there are.
Down arrow to the first one.  You won't hear the school read but you will hear that you are on the first result.
Press enter.  You have now placed the name in the field you are in and it can be read while in forms mode.  I don't recall if you automatically hear it but you can use read current line or maybe just pressing the down or up arrow will read it.
If that is not the result you want, select all, control a, and press delete.
Write Chicago again.
Down arrow to the second result and press enter.
Again, you will be able to hear the word.
Follow this procedure until you hear the name you want.
Once you do, it is in the field it should be in and you can then activate the continue button, which will now be available.

On considering this further, I don't know if this is a bug in anything.  It may be that the results shown as you move aren't announced because the function isn't designed to be accessible.

Gene

On 5/29/2022 7:07 AM, Gene via groups.io wrote:

No, it isn't standard.  I had to press enter on select a school to make the field editable in the first place.  Then I had to press enter again, since  I am using manual switching in NVDA, to go into forms mode.  You may have to as well, since you are in a field that is not initially editable. 

As far as the select a school edit field is concerned, is that the field you are discussing?  I'll look at the field again but I thought I heard select  a number when I was

Gene

On 5/28/2022 11:36 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:

Yes, that's standard edit commands. However, when I start typing the
name of a school, NVDA says "this is an auto complete element and
there are # results available. Keyboard users, use up and down arrows
to select an option." The # in the example is, as one might guess, an
actual number. However, when using up and down arrow with NVDA in
focus mode, I just get the same auto complete message and NVDA reads
what I've already typed in, it won't let me actually choose a result.
The question is how do I actually choose a result as intended?
 
On 5/28/22, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
When you are on the line that says enter the name of the school, press
enter.  That makes the field editable and you can then press enter again
to go into focus mode if you aren't automatically placed in it.
 
Gene
 
On 5/28/2022 10:07 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
Hi all,
Is the edit field on this page not a conventional one? I play Heardle
every day, and it looks like the edit box on this page should work
similar to that one, but I can't seem to get the one here to work. All
I hear is NVDA telling me that this is an edit box that contains
multiple selections, and how many results are available, but I can't
seem to choose any results. The same happens when you're trying to
select a school to send to, and I suspect I won't have to enter as
much information as it's asking for if I could choose a result. Any
help on this would be appreciated, as I've put this off for two weeks
already. The link is
https://tsorder.studentclearinghouse.org/school/select
Thanks,
Bob
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
.

 

 

 


Re: help with an edit field

Gene
 

I don't consider lack of accessibility to be a bug.  A bug is an unintended behavior.  Saying a lack of accessibility is a bug implies that the item was intended to be accessible but isn't because of unanticipated problem or problems. 

If a stove isn't accessible and isn't designed to be, that isn't a bug.  You may call it a flaw, a serious flaw, you may describe it as you wish in terms of advocating for more accessibility, but it isn't a bug.  It is operating as designed. 

If my stove is designed to be accessible and the speech is giving inaccurate numbers as I move through settings, that is a bug. 

Gene


On 5/29/2022 7:49 AM, mike mcglashon wrote:

Quoting:

On considering this further, I don't know if this is a bug in anything. 

It may be that the results shown as you move aren't announced because the function isn't designed to be accessible.
end quote:

 

Wow, wouldn’t that be considered a “major” bug then? Or,

At least a “big flaw”?

Isn’t that bad if someone designs a control on a page to be purposefully inaccessible?

(especially a school clearing house)?

 

Just curious?

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 8:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] help with an edit field

 

It appears i was wrong about the edit field.  It appears to be a standard edit field.  I didn't hear anything about number of results and moving up and down, as I recall.  I did try using the search field where you enter a key word to find your school and I then got results like yours. 

I figured out how to find a school name.  Its a little work but you can accomplish this in the following way:
Follow the key word search link.
An edit field will become available.  If you are not in forms mode go into forms mode.  Just pressing enter where you are after following the link should do it.
Be in forms mode in the key word search edit field.
Type a word such as Chicago.
You will hear how many results there are.
Down arrow to the first one.  You won't hear the school read but you will hear that you are on the first result.
Press enter.  You have now placed the name in the field you are in and it can be read while in forms mode.  I don't recall if you automatically hear it but you can use read current line or maybe just pressing the down or up arrow will read it.
If that is not the result you want, select all, control a, and press delete.
Write Chicago again.
Down arrow to the second result and press enter.
Again, you will be able to hear the word.
Follow this procedure until you hear the name you want.
Once you do, it is in the field it should be in and you can then activate the continue button, which will now be available.

On considering this further, I don't know if this is a bug in anything.  It may be that the results shown as you move aren't announced because the function isn't designed to be accessible.

Gene

On 5/29/2022 7:07 AM, Gene via groups.io wrote:

No, it isn't standard.  I had to press enter on select a school to make the field editable in the first place.  Then I had to press enter again, since  I am using manual switching in NVDA, to go into forms mode.  You may have to as well, since you are in a field that is not initially editable. 

As far as the select a school edit field is concerned, is that the field you are discussing?  I'll look at the field again but I thought I heard select  a number when I was

Gene

On 5/28/2022 11:36 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:

Yes, that's standard edit commands. However, when I start typing the
name of a school, NVDA says "this is an auto complete element and
there are # results available. Keyboard users, use up and down arrows
to select an option." The # in the example is, as one might guess, an
actual number. However, when using up and down arrow with NVDA in
focus mode, I just get the same auto complete message and NVDA reads
what I've already typed in, it won't let me actually choose a result.
The question is how do I actually choose a result as intended?
 
On 5/28/22, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
When you are on the line that says enter the name of the school, press
enter.  That makes the field editable and you can then press enter again
to go into focus mode if you aren't automatically placed in it.
 
Gene
 
On 5/28/2022 10:07 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
Hi all,
Is the edit field on this page not a conventional one? I play Heardle
every day, and it looks like the edit box on this page should work
similar to that one, but I can't seem to get the one here to work. All
I hear is NVDA telling me that this is an edit box that contains
multiple selections, and how many results are available, but I can't
seem to choose any results. The same happens when you're trying to
select a school to send to, and I suspect I won't have to enter as
much information as it's asking for if I could choose a result. Any
help on this would be appreciated, as I've put this off for two weeks
already. The link is
https://tsorder.studentclearinghouse.org/school/select
Thanks,
Bob
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
.

 

 



Re: help with an edit field

mike mcglashon
 

Quoting:

On considering this further, I don't know if this is a bug in anything. 

It may be that the results shown as you move aren't announced because the function isn't designed to be accessible.
end quote:

 

Wow, wouldn’t that be considered a “major” bug then? Or,

At least a “big flaw”?

Isn’t that bad if someone designs a control on a page to be purposefully inaccessible?

(especially a school clearing house)?

 

Just curious?

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 8:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] help with an edit field

 

It appears i was wrong about the edit field.  It appears to be a standard edit field.  I didn't hear anything about number of results and moving up and down, as I recall.  I did try using the search field where you enter a key word to find your school and I then got results like yours. 

I figured out how to find a school name.  Its a little work but you can accomplish this in the following way:
Follow the key word search link.
An edit field will become available.  If you are not in forms mode go into forms mode.  Just pressing enter where you are after following the link should do it.
Be in forms mode in the key word search edit field.
Type a word such as Chicago.
You will hear how many results there are.
Down arrow to the first one.  You won't hear the school read but you will hear that you are on the first result.
Press enter.  You have now placed the name in the field you are in and it can be read while in forms mode.  I don't recall if you automatically hear it but you can use read current line or maybe just pressing the down or up arrow will read it.
If that is not the result you want, select all, control a, and press delete.
Write Chicago again.
Down arrow to the second result and press enter.
Again, you will be able to hear the word.
Follow this procedure until you hear the name you want.
Once you do, it is in the field it should be in and you can then activate the continue button, which will now be available.

On considering this further, I don't know if this is a bug in anything.  It may be that the results shown as you move aren't announced because the function isn't designed to be accessible.

Gene

On 5/29/2022 7:07 AM, Gene via groups.io wrote:

No, it isn't standard.  I had to press enter on select a school to make the field editable in the first place.  Then I had to press enter again, since  I am using manual switching in NVDA, to go into forms mode.  You may have to as well, since you are in a field that is not initially editable. 

As far as the select a school edit field is concerned, is that the field you are discussing?  I'll look at the field again but I thought I heard select  a number when I was

Gene

On 5/28/2022 11:36 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:

Yes, that's standard edit commands. However, when I start typing the
name of a school, NVDA says "this is an auto complete element and
there are # results available. Keyboard users, use up and down arrows
to select an option." The # in the example is, as one might guess, an
actual number. However, when using up and down arrow with NVDA in
focus mode, I just get the same auto complete message and NVDA reads
what I've already typed in, it won't let me actually choose a result.
The question is how do I actually choose a result as intended?
 
On 5/28/22, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
When you are on the line that says enter the name of the school, press
enter.  That makes the field editable and you can then press enter again
to go into focus mode if you aren't automatically placed in it.
 
Gene
 
On 5/28/2022 10:07 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
Hi all,
Is the edit field on this page not a conventional one? I play Heardle
every day, and it looks like the edit box on this page should work
similar to that one, but I can't seem to get the one here to work. All
I hear is NVDA telling me that this is an edit box that contains
multiple selections, and how many results are available, but I can't
seem to choose any results. The same happens when you're trying to
select a school to send to, and I suspect I won't have to enter as
much information as it's asking for if I could choose a result. Any
help on this would be appreciated, as I've put this off for two weeks
already. The link is
https://tsorder.studentclearinghouse.org/school/select
Thanks,
Bob
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
.

 

 


Re: help with an edit field

Gene
 

I just did a bit more experimenting.  I had tried this in Firefox but I then used the Brave browser.  The procedure works in both.

Also, when using default screen-reader settings, if you press enter on the key word link, you are automatically placed in focus mode and can type the word, as I described doing.

Gene

On 5/29/2022 7:41 AM, Gene wrote:

It appears i was wrong about the edit field.  It appears to be a standard edit field.  I didn't hear anything about number of results and moving up and down, as I recall.  I did try using the search field where you enter a key word to find your school and I then got results like yours. 

I figured out how to find a school name.  Its a little work but you can accomplish this in the following way:
Follow the key word search link.
An edit field will become available.  If you are not in forms mode go into forms mode.  Just pressing enter where you are after following the link should do it.
Be in forms mode in the key word search edit field.
Type a word such as Chicago.
You will hear how many results there are.
Down arrow to the first one.  You won't hear the school read but you will hear that you are on the first result.
Press enter.  You have now placed the name in the field you are in and it can be read while in forms mode.  I don't recall if you automatically hear it but you can use read current line or maybe just pressing the down or up arrow will read it.
If that is not the result you want, select all, control a, and press delete.
Write Chicago again.
Down arrow to the second result and press enter.
Again, you will be able to hear the word.
Follow this procedure until you hear the name you want.
Once you do, it is in the field it should be in and you can then activate the continue button, which will now be available.

On considering this further, I don't know if this is a bug in anything.  It may be that the results shown as you move aren't announced because the function isn't designed to be accessible.

Gene

On 5/29/2022 7:07 AM, Gene via groups.io wrote:
No, it isn't standard.  I had to press enter on select a school to make the field editable in the first place.  Then I had to press enter again, since  I am using manual switching in NVDA, to go into forms mode.  You may have to as well, since you are in a field that is not initially editable. 

As far as the select a school edit field is concerned, is that the field you are discussing?  I'll look at the field again but I thought I heard select  a number when I was

Gene

On 5/28/2022 11:36 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
Yes, that's standard edit commands. However, when I start typing the
name of a school, NVDA says "this is an auto complete element and
there are # results available. Keyboard users, use up and down arrows
to select an option." The # in the example is, as one might guess, an
actual number. However, when using up and down arrow with NVDA in
focus mode, I just get the same auto complete message and NVDA reads
what I've already typed in, it won't let me actually choose a result.
The question is how do I actually choose a result as intended?

On 5/28/22, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
When you are on the line that says enter the name of the school, press
enter.  That makes the field editable and you can then press enter again
to go into focus mode if you aren't automatically placed in it.

Gene

On 5/28/2022 10:07 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
Hi all,
Is the edit field on this page not a conventional one? I play Heardle
every day, and it looks like the edit box on this page should work
similar to that one, but I can't seem to get the one here to work. All
I hear is NVDA telling me that this is an edit box that contains
multiple selections, and how many results are available, but I can't
seem to choose any results. The same happens when you're trying to
select a school to send to, and I suspect I won't have to enter as
much information as it's asking for if I could choose a result. Any
help on this would be appreciated, as I've put this off for two weeks
already. The link is
https://tsorder.studentclearinghouse.org/school/select
Thanks,
Bob







.




Re: help with an edit field

Gene
 

It appears i was wrong about the edit field.  It appears to be a standard edit field.  I didn't hear anything about number of results and moving up and down, as I recall.  I did try using the search field where you enter a key word to find your school and I then got results like yours. 

I figured out how to find a school name.  Its a little work but you can accomplish this in the following way:
Follow the key word search link.
An edit field will become available.  If you are not in forms mode go into forms mode.  Just pressing enter where you are after following the link should do it.
Be in forms mode in the key word search edit field.
Type a word such as Chicago.
You will hear how many results there are.
Down arrow to the first one.  You won't hear the school read but you will hear that you are on the first result.
Press enter.  You have now placed the name in the field you are in and it can be read while in forms mode.  I don't recall if you automatically hear it but you can use read current line or maybe just pressing the down or up arrow will read it.
If that is not the result you want, select all, control a, and press delete.
Write Chicago again.
Down arrow to the second result and press enter.
Again, you will be able to hear the word.
Follow this procedure until you hear the name you want.
Once you do, it is in the field it should be in and you can then activate the continue button, which will now be available.

On considering this further, I don't know if this is a bug in anything.  It may be that the results shown as you move aren't announced because the function isn't designed to be accessible.

Gene

On 5/29/2022 7:07 AM, Gene via groups.io wrote:

No, it isn't standard.  I had to press enter on select a school to make the field editable in the first place.  Then I had to press enter again, since  I am using manual switching in NVDA, to go into forms mode.  You may have to as well, since you are in a field that is not initially editable. 

As far as the select a school edit field is concerned, is that the field you are discussing?  I'll look at the field again but I thought I heard select  a number when I was

Gene

On 5/28/2022 11:36 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
Yes, that's standard edit commands. However, when I start typing the
name of a school, NVDA says "this is an auto complete element and
there are # results available. Keyboard users, use up and down arrows
to select an option." The # in the example is, as one might guess, an
actual number. However, when using up and down arrow with NVDA in
focus mode, I just get the same auto complete message and NVDA reads
what I've already typed in, it won't let me actually choose a result.
The question is how do I actually choose a result as intended?

On 5/28/22, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
When you are on the line that says enter the name of the school, press
enter.  That makes the field editable and you can then press enter again
to go into focus mode if you aren't automatically placed in it.

Gene

On 5/28/2022 10:07 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
Hi all,
Is the edit field on this page not a conventional one? I play Heardle
every day, and it looks like the edit box on this page should work
similar to that one, but I can't seem to get the one here to work. All
I hear is NVDA telling me that this is an edit box that contains
multiple selections, and how many results are available, but I can't
seem to choose any results. The same happens when you're trying to
select a school to send to, and I suspect I won't have to enter as
much information as it's asking for if I could choose a result. Any
help on this would be appreciated, as I've put this off for two weeks
already. The link is
https://tsorder.studentclearinghouse.org/school/select
Thanks,
Bob











.



Re: help with an edit field

Gene
 

No, it isn't standard.  I had to press enter on select a school to make the field editable in the first place.  Then I had to press enter again, since  I am using manual switching in NVDA, to go into forms mode.  You may have to as well, since you are in a field that is not initially editable. 

As far as the select a school edit field is concerned, is that the field you are discussing?  I'll look at the field again but I thought I heard select  a number when I was

Gene

On 5/28/2022 11:36 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:

Yes, that's standard edit commands. However, when I start typing the
name of a school, NVDA says "this is an auto complete element and
there are # results available. Keyboard users, use up and down arrows
to select an option." The # in the example is, as one might guess, an
actual number. However, when using up and down arrow with NVDA in
focus mode, I just get the same auto complete message and NVDA reads
what I've already typed in, it won't let me actually choose a result.
The question is how do I actually choose a result as intended?

On 5/28/22, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
When you are on the line that says enter the name of the school, press
enter.  That makes the field editable and you can then press enter again
to go into focus mode if you aren't automatically placed in it.

Gene

On 5/28/2022 10:07 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
Hi all,
Is the edit field on this page not a conventional one? I play Heardle
every day, and it looks like the edit box on this page should work
similar to that one, but I can't seem to get the one here to work. All
I hear is NVDA telling me that this is an edit box that contains
multiple selections, and how many results are available, but I can't
seem to choose any results. The same happens when you're trying to
select a school to send to, and I suspect I won't have to enter as
much information as it's asking for if I could choose a result. Any
help on this would be appreciated, as I've put this off for two weeks
already. The link is
https://tsorder.studentclearinghouse.org/school/select
Thanks,
Bob















.


Re: help with an edit field

Ken Perry
 

Have you tried it with Narrator? I have also found if you use chromvox it sometimes works.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Carlos Medrano
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 1:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] help with an edit field

Hmm, unless my NVDA is broken, I'd say that the JavaScript for the autocomplete has a bug in it that makes it really hard to pick the school unless you brute force the entries one by one.


As a workaround, are you able to request a transcript from your school's self-service portal? For example, I can sign into my school's information system and I see an option to request an official transcript and have it mailed somewhere that is independent from the national student clearinghouse.


I welcome any additional feedback from others; so far I've tried Chrome, Microsoft Edge, and Internet Explorer with the latest version of NVDA. I don't have Firefox installed on this machine for me to try at the moment, but that may be helpful.


On 5/28/2022 10:07 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
Hi all,
Is the edit field on this page not a conventional one? I play Heardle
every day, and it looks like the edit box on this page should work
similar to that one, but I can't seem to get the one here to work. All
I hear is NVDA telling me that this is an edit box that contains
multiple selections, and how many results are available, but I can't
seem to choose any results. The same happens when you're trying to
select a school to send to, and I suspect I won't have to enter as
much information as it's asking for if I could choose a result. Any
help on this would be appreciated, as I've put this off for two weeks
already. The link is
https://tsorder.studentclearinghouse.org/school/select
Thanks,
Bob





Re: help with an edit field

Carlos Medrano
 

Hmm, unless my NVDA is broken, I'd say that the JavaScript for the autocomplete has a bug in it that makes it really hard to pick the school unless you brute force the entries one by one.


As a workaround, are you able to request a transcript from your school's self-service portal? For example, I can sign into my school's information system and I see an option to request an official transcript and have it mailed somewhere that is independent from the national student clearinghouse.


I welcome any additional feedback from others; so far I've tried Chrome, Microsoft Edge, and Internet Explorer with the latest version of NVDA. I don't have Firefox installed on this machine for me to try at the moment, but that may be helpful.

On 5/28/2022 10:07 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
Hi all,
Is the edit field on this page not a conventional one? I play Heardle
every day, and it looks like the edit box on this page should work
similar to that one, but I can't seem to get the one here to work. All
I hear is NVDA telling me that this is an edit box that contains
multiple selections, and how many results are available, but I can't
seem to choose any results. The same happens when you're trying to
select a school to send to, and I suspect I won't have to enter as
much information as it's asking for if I could choose a result. Any
help on this would be appreciated, as I've put this off for two weeks
already. The link is
https://tsorder.studentclearinghouse.org/school/select
Thanks,
Bob




Re: help with an edit field

Sarah k Alawami
 

Try alt down arrow. I had to do this in a trail head module today.

Good luck.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2022 9:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] help with an edit field

Yes, that's standard edit commands. However, when I start typing the name of a school, NVDA says "this is an auto complete element and there are # results available. Keyboard users, use up and down arrows to select an option." The # in the example is, as one might guess, an actual number. However, when using up and down arrow with NVDA in focus mode, I just get the same auto complete message and NVDA reads what I've already typed in, it won't let me actually choose a result.
The question is how do I actually choose a result as intended?

On 5/28/22, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
When you are on the line that says enter the name of the school, press
enter. That makes the field editable and you can then press enter
again to go into focus mode if you aren't automatically placed in it.

Gene

On 5/28/2022 10:07 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
Hi all,
Is the edit field on this page not a conventional one? I play Heardle
every day, and it looks like the edit box on this page should work
similar to that one, but I can't seem to get the one here to work.
All I hear is NVDA telling me that this is an edit box that contains
multiple selections, and how many results are available, but I can't
seem to choose any results. The same happens when you're trying to
select a school to send to, and I suspect I won't have to enter as
much information as it's asking for if I could choose a result. Any
help on this would be appreciated, as I've put this off for two weeks
already. The link is
https://tsorder.studentclearinghouse.org/school/select
Thanks,
Bob










Re: help with an edit field

Bob Cavanaugh
 

Yes, that's standard edit commands. However, when I start typing the
name of a school, NVDA says "this is an auto complete element and
there are # results available. Keyboard users, use up and down arrows
to select an option." The # in the example is, as one might guess, an
actual number. However, when using up and down arrow with NVDA in
focus mode, I just get the same auto complete message and NVDA reads
what I've already typed in, it won't let me actually choose a result.
The question is how do I actually choose a result as intended?

On 5/28/22, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
When you are on the line that says enter the name of the school, press
enter.  That makes the field editable and you can then press enter again
to go into focus mode if you aren't automatically placed in it.

Gene

On 5/28/2022 10:07 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
Hi all,
Is the edit field on this page not a conventional one? I play Heardle
every day, and it looks like the edit box on this page should work
similar to that one, but I can't seem to get the one here to work. All
I hear is NVDA telling me that this is an edit box that contains
multiple selections, and how many results are available, but I can't
seem to choose any results. The same happens when you're trying to
select a school to send to, and I suspect I won't have to enter as
much information as it's asking for if I could choose a result. Any
help on this would be appreciated, as I've put this off for two weeks
already. The link is
https://tsorder.studentclearinghouse.org/school/select
Thanks,
Bob










Re: help with an edit field

Gene
 

When you are on the line that says enter the name of the school, press enter.  That makes the field editable and you can then press enter again to go into focus mode if you aren't automatically placed in it.

Gene

On 5/28/2022 10:07 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:

Hi all,
Is the edit field on this page not a conventional one? I play Heardle
every day, and it looks like the edit box on this page should work
similar to that one, but I can't seem to get the one here to work. All
I hear is NVDA telling me that this is an edit box that contains
multiple selections, and how many results are available, but I can't
seem to choose any results. The same happens when you're trying to
select a school to send to, and I suspect I won't have to enter as
much information as it's asking for if I could choose a result. Any
help on this would be appreciated, as I've put this off for two weeks
already. The link is
https://tsorder.studentclearinghouse.org/school/select
Thanks,
Bob







help with an edit field

Bob Cavanaugh
 

Hi all,
Is the edit field on this page not a conventional one? I play Heardle
every day, and it looks like the edit box on this page should work
similar to that one, but I can't seem to get the one here to work. All
I hear is NVDA telling me that this is an edit box that contains
multiple selections, and how many results are available, but I can't
seem to choose any results. The same happens when you're trying to
select a school to send to, and I suspect I won't have to enter as
much information as it's asking for if I could choose a result. Any
help on this would be appreciated, as I've put this off for two weeks
already. The link is
https://tsorder.studentclearinghouse.org/school/select
Thanks,
Bob

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