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Re: The Gmail website with NVDA

Brian's Mail list account
 

What is lost using simple html? I guess what I'm asking here, is why did they change it if the two do the same jobs and the only difference is one is more accessible than the other. I'm all for simplicity, and the whole Google experience seems a bit peculiar to me. I have now got it back working in Imap and pop3, which at least means I can see the spam folder, but I guess I'll never be able to create a white list of people any more.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2022 1:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] The Gmail website with NVDA


It doesn't. It may have at one time, I don't recall, but that can't be
done now. Even when the offer existed toward the end of its presence,
it didn't work.

However you do it, make it a bookmark or use history to open the simple
HTML page, if you want to go directly there, that is how it is done.

Gene

On 6/4/2022 7:11 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
This did work, though it seems odd that NVDA won't see that button in
browse mode. Gene, your link showed as visited in my browser, which
means that when I open my history to access the basic HTML view,
that's where it goes. My friend seemed to imply that if I used the
button on the top of the standard view page it would ask if I wanted
to set Basic HTML as my default view, which it did not. I will have to
ask her if she has one of those links bookmarked or if she just goes
to gmail.com and logs in that way.

On 6/4/22, Marisane Moruthanyana <marisanem@...> wrote:
Hi Bob

You need first to get off the web navigation mode.
This is done by pressing nvda+spacebar.
You then may tab or shift-tab to the button labelled html basic and
press the spacebar to activate it.
Remember to get back to the navigation mode so that you are able to
use navigation keys again.

Hope you find this in order.
Marisane
On 6/4/22, Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...> wrote:
Hi all,
Well, I've been meaning to get off this list for a couple weeks now,
but new questions just keep popping up. This one has to do with the
GMail website and NVFDA. Since last September, whenever I log into my
GMail account, it loads standard view, despite me having had it set to
load basic HTML by default before then, and it changing on its own. I
was telling a friend about how I was considering moving to using Gmail
with Outlook, and she was telling me that she was able to switch back
to having basic HTML as her default view. This is the same friend who
I was mentioning last week with Zoom, so her primary screen reader is
JAWS. I think she said she uses Chrome as her default browser, and I
use Firefox. We were talking about this on Zoom just now, and she told
me that there was a button at the top of the page that says "basic
HTML." As my laptop is a touchscreen, I was able to swipe to the left
and find that button, but when I double tap on it, NVDA simply says
"activate," but does nothing, and I can't seem to get to it using the
normal keyboard commands. How do I access this?
Thanks,
Bob















Re: for the third time, filling out a PDF

Brian's Mail list account
 

I think its that people tend not to use the pro version of Adobe to create their PDFs, so many are made using third party tools or simply something that creates pdfs from a printer stream that 'looks' right, but usually falls apart as the reading order changes and the tagging does not.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Smart" <ve3rwj@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2022 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] for the third time, filling out a PDF


I especially don't understand why there are so many problems, because Adobe on the surface at least, appear to take accessibility quite seriously. They are always represented at major accessibility conferences like Ax-con.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via groups.io
Sent: June 4, 2022 3:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] for the third time, filling out a PDF

There seem to be so many issues with PDF files, particularly accessibility wise, I simply cannot see why programs produce them do not actually make them accessible as it is then when thy have all the data needed to make the changes to reading order and the positioning and interactability of edit field in any file created, As long as we leave this to the user, we get lots of hit and miss files that work only partly in different readers.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bhavya shah" <bhavya.shah125@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2022 4:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] for the third time, filling out a PDF


Dear all,

While I may be unable to share the PDF in question, I had an experience with a fillable PDF form that:
1 Edge and Firefox could read the contents of but not access the form fields in (expected)
2 Adobe Acrobat DC rendered both the text and form fields of but did not let me edit or input anything in (I had freshly installed Adobe Acrobat DC and had selected the recommended accessibility settings rather than any custom ones when it detected my use of assistive
technology)
3 Foxit Reader rendered both the text and the form fields of and allowed me to populate edit fields and check check boxes in and save the edited document (the process was far from fully accessible but
regardless)

I am willing to concede that with some settings changes somewhere, Adobe might have been able to get the job done. But as it stands, Foxit was the only tool that worked out-of-the-box and afforded me the most access to editing the interactive PDF. All of that is to encourage folks to consider opening the PDFs they previously found half-acccessible in Foxit Reader instead.

Thanks.

On 5/23/22, Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...> wrote:
I've seen the progress indicator in question, but on smaller PDF files
like the one I linked to, I don't see that indicator, and it didn't
seem to change the way it was handled by NVDA.

On 5/23/22, Dave Grossoehme <dave@...> wrote:
Sorry I'm late on this information. However, it would sound like
something is hanging up the response of NVDA and Adobe to tell the
user that the application is being loaded. I have questioned this
action being a problem when using Windows 11, but is this a UAI
Problem, or something with NVDA or Adobe?

Dave


On 5/20/2022 6:59 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Well, when I open the form Bob gave the link for, I eventually end
up having it act just like any random web form would in terms of
tabbing through the form fields. There are also a number of
checkboxes to indicate a given piece of equipment in the list has
been returned and these are on the second page of the form.

But note well, I said "eventually." I can't make any sense of what's
going on, and am not getting any useful status either from Adobe or
from NVDA with regard to whether there is background processing
going on by the Accessibility Wizard to hand information to NVDA
that it would not otherwise have. But whatever is happening it is NOT fast.
I can play around for at least 1 minute, possibly somewhat longer,
whether via point and click or using tab to move among the various
fields. Then, after waiting for a while, suddenly tabbing between
the fields gives the field label, including the colon that's a part
of each label, when you land in the various fields.

Very strange. No rational person would expect a lag like this
between opening a document and being able to use it with a screen
reader sans any sort of warning that they needed to wait for
something to finish before they start.

I am using Windows 10, Version 21H2, Build 19044.1076 Adobe Reader
DC 2022.001.20117 NVDA 2021.3.5
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Re: Something fun.

 

Your subject didn't say anything about indent sounds.

Anyway I fail to see what you could do that would be fun with them.

bar pitchem up and down.

On 5/06/2022 10:40 am, Ken Perry wrote:
Wow I will remember not to bring you to a party. This was just something light and fun to do with NVDA and indent sounds. Guess you are a good kill joy.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2022 5:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Something fun.


Fun with what.

If you mean game tunes, masterboot record has most of that covered.

If you mean playing with floppy drives mrsolidsnake770 has that covered.

This should be on chat though but you are a mod here so.

What about playing with midi files with your collection of soundfonts.

I have a collection of fonts from musinkite and arachno which are custom made general midi fonts to things like yamaha, nokia synth and creative cards even a gravis ultrasound and sega, and nentendo units so there is that I guess.

Fiddling withh chip composition softwaree, there is plenty of chip music about.

Recording sounds in particular with em pickup coils.

I have one though not used it for ages.

They are easy to pickup and easy to aparently make.

Doing things like sticking something into something else or using a old hard drive magnet as a wind chime or sticking a stainless steel bowl into a drier, recording those and making those into instruments.

I think andrelouis recorded an old broken hard drive and made bits of it sound like a chime, and got an instrument out of it.




On 4/06/2022 7:43 pm, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io wrote:
This is going a bit off topic. Please don't mention playing tunes on
floppy drive stepper motors.
Brian







Re: Downloading NVDA Add-Ons from GitHub.

Luke Davis
 

Ravindran V.S. wrote:

Responding to your initial question, some of the add-ons are not available
in the official site.
And when we try to get them then we are guided to the GitHub site mostly.
Can you give some examples? Of course such things exist, but I'm curious which ones you are finding.

Those of us on the add-ons list can help those authors get their add-ons on the official site, it's much easier these days than it used to be. (Whether it should be is a question for another day.)

You can try writing to those authors and ask them to put their add-ons on the official site, or tell them to write to the add-ons list and one of us will help them.

Luke


Re: Downloading NVDA Add-Ons from GitHub.

Ravindran V.S.
 

Dear Luke,
Thank you for the detailed explanation. Let me give it a try.
Responding to your initial question, some of the add-ons are not available
in the official site.
And when we try to get them then we are guided to the GitHub site mostly.
That's why I tried to get it. But have not succeeded till now. Let me try as
you have mentioned.

Thanks,
Ravi.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis
Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2022 10:07 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Downloading NVDA Add-Ons from GitHub.

Ravindran V.S. wrote:

I am clueless of downloading the NVDA Add-Ons from the GitHub site.
Then why are you trying to do so? I mean no offense, but what makes you
think that is what you are supposed to be doing? Is there some particular
documentation that told you to do that?

Could someone guide me how please?
Generally, that isn't the best place to get them, you should do as David
suggested, or get them via the Add-ons Manager in the NVDA Tools menu, which
takes you to the same place.

But if you really must get an add-on from GitHub, go to the add-on's
repository.
The URL will look something like this:

https://github.com/author/add-on-name

To download a packaged add-on, select "releases", and look for the release
with the highest version number (usually).

You can also go directly to https://github.com/author/add-on-name/releases

For example, if you wanted my Numpad Nav Mode add-on, you could go to:

https://github.com/opensourcesys/numpadNavMode/releases

But it's much easier to get it from the official add-ons site as described
above.

Luke


Re: Downloading NVDA Add-Ons from GitHub.

Ravindran V.S.
 

Thank you David for sharing the link.

But Have found some other useful add-ons which are not available in the official site.

Thanks,

Ravi.   

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2022 9:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Downloading NVDA Add-Ons from GitHub.

 

Hi. If you want a site with addons which is easy to use I recommend starting out with the official community addons page from

https://addons.nvda-project.org/index.en.html

 

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

NVDA Certified Expert

 

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Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io

www.DavidGoldfield.org

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ravindran V.S.
Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2022 12:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Downloading NVDA Add-Ons from GitHub.

 

Team,

I am clueless of downloading the NVDA Add-Ons from the GitHub site.

Could someone guide me how please?

I don’t find a link to download any specific Add-On. There are so much details and links. Don’t know where to click to download the Add-On.

Appreciate any help please.

Thanks,

Ravi.


Re: Downloading NVDA Add-Ons from GitHub.

Luke Davis
 

Ravindran V.S. wrote:

I am clueless of downloading the NVDA Add-Ons from the GitHub site.
Then why are you trying to do so? I mean no offense, but what makes you think that is what you are supposed to be doing? Is there some particular documentation that told you to do that?

Could someone guide me how please?
Generally, that isn't the best place to get them, you should do as David suggested, or get them via the Add-ons Manager in the NVDA Tools menu, which takes you to the same place.

But if you really must get an add-on from GitHub, go to the add-on's repository. The URL will look something like this:

https://github.com/author/add-on-name

To download a packaged add-on, select "releases", and look for the release with the highest version number (usually).

You can also go directly to https://github.com/author/add-on-name/releases

For example, if you wanted my Numpad Nav Mode add-on, you could go to:

https://github.com/opensourcesys/numpadNavMode/releases

But it's much easier to get it from the official add-ons site as described above.

Luke


Re: Downloading NVDA Add-Ons from GitHub.

David Goldfield
 

Hi. If you want a site with addons which is easy to use I recommend starting out with the official community addons page from

https://addons.nvda-project.org/index.en.html

 

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

NVDA Certified Expert

 

Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive news, events and information regarding the blindness assistive technology field.

Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io

www.DavidGoldfield.org

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ravindran V.S.
Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2022 12:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Downloading NVDA Add-Ons from GitHub.

 

Team,

I am clueless of downloading the NVDA Add-Ons from the GitHub site.

Could someone guide me how please?

I don’t find a link to download any specific Add-On. There are so much details and links. Don’t know where to click to download the Add-On.

Appreciate any help please.

Thanks,

Ravi.


Downloading NVDA Add-Ons from GitHub.

Ravindran V.S.
 

Team,

I am clueless of downloading the NVDA Add-Ons from the GitHub site.

Could someone guide me how please?

I don’t find a link to download any specific Add-On. There are so much details and links. Don’t know where to click to download the Add-On.

Appreciate any help please.

Thanks,

Ravi.


Re: The Gmail website with NVDA

 

On Sat, Jun 4, 2022 at 08:03 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
Do I need to resume mail before
posting a topic to ensure I get all messages about that topic, or is
it like some discussion boards where you can subscribe to individual
topics?
-
Both options exist.  Please read my tutorial: Controlling the Messages You Receive via E-Mail from Groups.io (docx) 
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Re: The Gmail website with NVDA

Gene
 

It doesn't.  It may have at one time, I don't recall, but that can't be done now.  Even when the offer existed toward the end of its presence, it didn't work. 

However you do it, make it a bookmark or use history to open the simple HTML page, if you want to go directly there, that is how it is done.

Gene

On 6/4/2022 7:11 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:

This did work, though it seems odd that NVDA won't see that button in
browse mode. Gene, your link showed as visited in my browser, which
means that when I open my history to access the basic HTML view,
that's where it goes. My friend seemed to imply that if I used the
button on the top of the standard view page it would ask if I wanted
to set Basic HTML as my default view, which it did not. I will have to
ask her if she has one of those links bookmarked or if she just goes
to gmail.com and logs in that way.

On 6/4/22, Marisane Moruthanyana <marisanem@...> wrote:
Hi Bob

You need first to get off the web navigation mode.
This is done by pressing nvda+spacebar.
You then may tab or shift-tab to the button labelled html basic and
press the spacebar to activate it.
Remember to get back to the navigation mode so that you are able to
use navigation keys again.

Hope you find this in order.
Marisane
On 6/4/22, Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...> wrote:
Hi all,
Well, I've been meaning to get off this list for a couple weeks now,
but new questions just keep popping up. This one has to do with the
GMail website and NVFDA. Since last September, whenever I log into my
GMail account, it loads standard view, despite me having had it set to
load basic HTML by default before then, and it changing on its own. I
was telling a friend about how I was considering moving to using Gmail
with Outlook, and she was telling me that she was able to switch back
to having basic HTML as her default view. This is the same friend who
I was mentioning last week with Zoom, so her primary screen reader is
JAWS. I think she said she uses Chrome as her default browser, and I
use Firefox. We were talking about this on Zoom just now, and she told
me that there was a button at the top of the page that says "basic
HTML." As my laptop is a touchscreen, I was able to swipe to the left
and find that button, but when I double tap on it, NVDA simply says
"activate," but does nothing, and I can't seem to get to it using the
normal keyboard commands. How do I access this?
Thanks,
Bob

















Re: The Gmail website with NVDA

Bob Cavanaugh
 

This did work, though it seems odd that NVDA won't see that button in
browse mode. Gene, your link showed as visited in my browser, which
means that when I open my history to access the basic HTML view,
that's where it goes. My friend seemed to imply that if I used the
button on the top of the standard view page it would ask if I wanted
to set Basic HTML as my default view, which it did not. I will have to
ask her if she has one of those links bookmarked or if she just goes
to gmail.com and logs in that way.

On 6/4/22, Marisane Moruthanyana <marisanem@...> wrote:
Hi Bob

You need first to get off the web navigation mode.
This is done by pressing nvda+spacebar.
You then may tab or shift-tab to the button labelled html basic and
press the spacebar to activate it.
Remember to get back to the navigation mode so that you are able to
use navigation keys again.

Hope you find this in order.
Marisane
On 6/4/22, Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...> wrote:
Hi all,
Well, I've been meaning to get off this list for a couple weeks now,
but new questions just keep popping up. This one has to do with the
GMail website and NVFDA. Since last September, whenever I log into my
GMail account, it loads standard view, despite me having had it set to
load basic HTML by default before then, and it changing on its own. I
was telling a friend about how I was considering moving to using Gmail
with Outlook, and she was telling me that she was able to switch back
to having basic HTML as her default view. This is the same friend who
I was mentioning last week with Zoom, so her primary screen reader is
JAWS. I think she said she uses Chrome as her default browser, and I
use Firefox. We were talking about this on Zoom just now, and she told
me that there was a button at the top of the page that says "basic
HTML." As my laptop is a touchscreen, I was able to swipe to the left
and find that button, but when I double tap on it, NVDA simply says
"activate," but does nothing, and I can't seem to get to it using the
normal keyboard commands. How do I access this?
Thanks,
Bob










Re: The Gmail website with NVDA

Bob Cavanaugh
 

Brian,
I actually meant to post this a couple weeks ago when you last posted
this message but was looking at the list on my phone and then forgot
when I got back to my computer. Do I need to resume mail before
posting a topic to ensure I get all messages about that topic, or is
it like some discussion boards where you can subscribe to individual
topics?

On 6/4/22, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Sat, Jun 4, 2022 at 04:51 PM, Gene wrote:


You shouldn't get off the list.  You should go no mail.
-
Absolutely, regardless of whether it's a short or longer term break from
receiving individual messages.  You also have the option to get a daily
digest or a summary instead of individual messages.

Unless you are looking to permanently leave any Groups.io group, it makes a
lot more sense to "hit the pause" button by going no mail than to
unsubscribe.

I've posted these many times before, but, they're pertinent here:

NVDA Main Group Archive: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/topics (
https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/topics )

The email addresses used to interact with the NVDA Main Group:

To join: nvda+subscribe@nvda.groups.io ( nvda+subscribe@nvda.groups.io )

To post: nvda@nvda.groups.io ( nvda@nvda.groups.io )

To unsubscribe: nvda+unsubscribe@nvda.groups.io (
nvda+unsubscribe@nvda.groups.io )

To receive a message containing the group description, and a list of these
commands: nvda+help@nvda.groups.io ( nvda+help@nvda.groups.io )

To stop receiving messages via email (you may still read messages and post
on the group topics page): nvda+nomail@nvda.groups.io (
nvda+nomail@nvda.groups.io )

This can also be used to put a vacation stop on group messages, then use one
of the following addresses to resume delivery in the format of your choice.

To receive each group message individually: nvda+single@nvda.groups.io (
nvda+single@nvda.groups.io )

Single the default delivery format when you first subscribe.  To choose
another, send a message to one of the addresses that follows.  When turning
email back on you can use single or any of the following:

To receive group messages in an HTML formatted digests:
nvda+fulldigest@nvda.groups.io ( nvda+fulldigest@nvda.groups.io )

To receive group messages in a plain text digest: nvda+digest@nvda.groups.io
( nvda+digest@nvda.groups.io )

To receive a daily summary instead of individual messages:
nvda+summary@nvda.groups.io ( nvda+summary@nvda.groups.io )

To receive only special messages: nvda+special@nvda.groups.io (
nvda+special@nvda.groups.io )

To contact the group owner(s): nvda+owner@nvda.groups.io (
nvda+owner@nvda.groups.io )

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well-housed, well-warmed, and well-fed.

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Re: Something fun.

Ken Perry
 

Wow I will remember not to bring you to a party. This was just something light and fun to do with NVDA and indent sounds. Guess you are a good kill joy.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2022 5:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Something fun.


Fun with what.

If you mean game tunes, masterboot record has most of that covered.

If you mean playing with floppy drives mrsolidsnake770 has that covered.

This should be on chat though but you are a mod here so.

What about playing with midi files with your collection of soundfonts.

I have a collection of fonts from musinkite and arachno which are custom made general midi fonts to things like yamaha, nokia synth and creative cards even a gravis ultrasound and sega, and nentendo units so there is that I guess.

Fiddling withh chip composition softwaree, there is plenty of chip music about.

Recording sounds in particular with em pickup coils.

I have one though not used it for ages.

They are easy to pickup and easy to aparently make.

Doing things like sticking something into something else or using a old hard drive magnet as a wind chime or sticking a stainless steel bowl into a drier, recording those and making those into instruments.

I think andrelouis recorded an old broken hard drive and made bits of it sound like a chime, and got an instrument out of it.




On 4/06/2022 7:43 pm, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io wrote:
This is going a bit off topic. Please don't mention playing tunes on
floppy drive stepper motors.
Brian


Re: Something fun.

Luke Davis
 

Shaun Everiss wrote:

This should be on chat though but you are a mod here so.
I think you are mixing up your Brians.

The one that is a mod here, is named Brian Vogel.
The one you were responding to calls himself Brian's Mail list account.

Luke


Re: The Gmail website with NVDA

 

On Sat, Jun 4, 2022 at 04:51 PM, Gene wrote:
You shouldn't get off the list.  You should go no mail.
-
Absolutely, regardless of whether it's a short or longer term break from receiving individual messages.  You also have the option to get a daily digest or a summary instead of individual messages.

Unless you are looking to permanently leave any Groups.io group, it makes a lot more sense to "hit the pause" button by going no mail than to unsubscribe.

I've posted these many times before, but, they're pertinent here:

NVDA Main Group Archive:  https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/topics

The email addresses used to interact with the NVDA Main Group:

To join:  nvda+subscribe@nvda.groups.io

To post:  nvda@nvda.groups.io

To unsubscribe:  nvda+unsubscribe@nvda.groups.io

To receive a message containing the group description, and a list of these commands:  nvda+help@nvda.groups.io

To stop receiving messages via email (you may still read messages and post on the group topics page):  nvda+nomail@nvda.groups.io

This can also be used to put a vacation stop on group messages, then use one of the following addresses to resume delivery in the format of your choice.

To receive each group message individually: nvda+single@nvda.groups.io

Single the default delivery format when you first subscribe.  To choose another, send a message to one of the addresses that follows.  When turning email back on you can use single or any of the following:

To receive group messages in an HTML formatted digests:  nvda+fulldigest@nvda.groups.io

To receive group messages in a plain text digest:  nvda+digest@nvda.groups.io

To receive a daily summary instead of individual messages:  nvda+summary@nvda.groups.io

To receive only special messages:  nvda+special@nvda.groups.io

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Of all the preposterous assumptions of humanity over humanity, nothing exceeds most of the criticisms made on the habits of the poor by the well-housed, well-warmed, and well-fed.

    ~ Herman Melville (1819 - 1891), US novelist & sailor


Re: Something fun.

 

Fun with what.

If you mean game tunes, masterboot record has most of that covered.

If you mean playing with floppy drives mrsolidsnake770 has that covered.

This should be on chat though but you are a mod here so.

What about playing with midi files with your collection of soundfonts.

I have a collection of fonts from musinkite and arachno which are custom made general midi fonts to things like yamaha, nokia synth and creative cards even a gravis ultrasound and sega, and nentendo units so there is that I guess.

Fiddling withh chip composition softwaree, there is plenty of chip music about.

Recording sounds in particular with em pickup coils.

I have one though not used it for ages.

They are easy to pickup and easy to aparently make.

Doing things like sticking something into something else or using a old hard drive magnet as a wind chime or sticking a stainless steel bowl into a drier, recording those and making those into instruments.

I think andrelouis recorded an old broken hard drive and made bits of it sound like a chime, and got an instrument out of it.

On 4/06/2022 7:43 pm, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io wrote:
This is going a bit off topic. Please don't mention playing tunes on floppy drive stepper motors.
Brian


Re: The Gmail website with NVDA

Marisane Moruthanyana
 

Hi Bob

You need first to get off the web navigation mode.
This is done by pressing nvda+spacebar.
You then may tab or shift-tab to the button labelled html basic and
press the spacebar to activate it.
Remember to get back to the navigation mode so that you are able to
use navigation keys again.

Hope you find this in order.
Marisane

On 6/4/22, Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...> wrote:
Hi all,
Well, I've been meaning to get off this list for a couple weeks now,
but new questions just keep popping up. This one has to do with the
GMail website and NVFDA. Since last September, whenever I log into my
GMail account, it loads standard view, despite me having had it set to
load basic HTML by default before then, and it changing on its own. I
was telling a friend about how I was considering moving to using Gmail
with Outlook, and she was telling me that she was able to switch back
to having basic HTML as her default view. This is the same friend who
I was mentioning last week with Zoom, so her primary screen reader is
JAWS. I think she said she uses Chrome as her default browser, and I
use Firefox. We were talking about this on Zoom just now, and she told
me that there was a button at the top of the page that says "basic
HTML." As my laptop is a touchscreen, I was able to swipe to the left
and find that button, but when I double tap on it, NVDA simply says
"activate," but does nothing, and I can't seem to get to it using the
normal keyboard commands. How do I access this?
Thanks,
Bob






Re: The Gmail website with NVDA

Gene
 

I saw, after I sent my last message, that Jackie sent a message with a longer link that does the same thing.  The link I sent is shorter and does the same thing.

Gene

On 6/4/2022 3:51 PM, Gene via groups.io wrote:

You shouldn't get off the list.  You should go no mail. If you unsubscribe not only do you have to resubscribe if you want to send messages to the list, but your first message must be approved, which may delay it reaching the list.  This is not something list owners can change.  It is imposed on lists by the person who runs groups.io. 

If you go no mail, you can send the list a command to resume delivery again and, since you are still a member, you don't have to wait for your first message to be approved.

There is an address you can use to go to the simple HTML view.  It isn't possible, using the standard address, to go directly to simple HTML anymore.

The address, which you should use instead of the address you are using is:
https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/h/

Gene
On 6/4/2022 3:30 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
Hi all,
Well, I've been meaning to get off this list for a couple weeks now,
but new questions just keep popping up. This one has to do with the
GMail website and NVFDA. Since last September, whenever I log into my
GMail account, it loads standard view, despite me having had it set to
load basic HTML by default before then, and it changing on its own. I
was telling a friend about how I was considering moving to using Gmail
with Outlook, and she was telling me that she was able to switch back
to having basic HTML as her default view. This is the same friend who
I was mentioning last week with Zoom, so her primary screen reader is
JAWS. I think she said she uses Chrome as her default browser, and I
use Firefox. We were talking about this on Zoom just now, and she told
me that there was a button at the top of the page that says "basic
HTML." As my laptop is a touchscreen, I was able to swipe to the left
and find that button, but when I double tap on it, NVDA simply says
"activate," but does nothing, and I can't seem to get to it using the
normal keyboard commands. How do I access this?
Thanks,
Bob





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Re: The Gmail website with NVDA

Gene
 

You shouldn't get off the list.  You should go no mail. If you unsubscribe not only do you have to resubscribe if you want to send messages to the list, but your first message must be approved, which may delay it reaching the list.  This is not something list owners can change.  It is imposed on lists by the person who runs groups.io. 

If you go no mail, you can send the list a command to resume delivery again and, since you are still a member, you don't have to wait for your first message to be approved.

There is an address you can use to go to the simple HTML view.  It isn't possible, using the standard address, to go directly to simple HTML anymore.

The address, which you should use instead of the address you are using is:
https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/h/

Gene
On 6/4/2022 3:30 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:

Hi all,
Well, I've been meaning to get off this list for a couple weeks now,
but new questions just keep popping up. This one has to do with the
GMail website and NVFDA. Since last September, whenever I log into my
GMail account, it loads standard view, despite me having had it set to
load basic HTML by default before then, and it changing on its own. I
was telling a friend about how I was considering moving to using Gmail
with Outlook, and she was telling me that she was able to switch back
to having basic HTML as her default view. This is the same friend who
I was mentioning last week with Zoom, so her primary screen reader is
JAWS. I think she said she uses Chrome as her default browser, and I
use Firefox. We were talking about this on Zoom just now, and she told
me that there was a button at the top of the page that says "basic
HTML." As my laptop is a touchscreen, I was able to swipe to the left
and find that button, but when I double tap on it, NVDA simply says
"activate," but does nothing, and I can't seem to get to it using the
normal keyboard commands. How do I access this?
Thanks,
Bob





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