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Re: The Gmail website with NVDA

 

On Sat, Jun 4, 2022 at 04:51 PM, Gene wrote:
You shouldn't get off the list.  You should go no mail.
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Absolutely, regardless of whether it's a short or longer term break from receiving individual messages.  You also have the option to get a daily digest or a summary instead of individual messages.

Unless you are looking to permanently leave any Groups.io group, it makes a lot more sense to "hit the pause" button by going no mail than to unsubscribe.

I've posted these many times before, but, they're pertinent here:

NVDA Main Group Archive:  https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/topics

The email addresses used to interact with the NVDA Main Group:

To join:  nvda+subscribe@nvda.groups.io

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To receive a message containing the group description, and a list of these commands:  nvda+help@nvda.groups.io

To stop receiving messages via email (you may still read messages and post on the group topics page):  nvda+nomail@nvda.groups.io

This can also be used to put a vacation stop on group messages, then use one of the following addresses to resume delivery in the format of your choice.

To receive each group message individually: nvda+single@nvda.groups.io

Single the default delivery format when you first subscribe.  To choose another, send a message to one of the addresses that follows.  When turning email back on you can use single or any of the following:

To receive group messages in an HTML formatted digests:  nvda+fulldigest@nvda.groups.io

To receive group messages in a plain text digest:  nvda+digest@nvda.groups.io

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To receive only special messages:  nvda+special@nvda.groups.io

To contact the group owner(s):  nvda+owner@nvda.groups.io

 
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Re: Something fun.

 

Fun with what.

If you mean game tunes, masterboot record has most of that covered.

If you mean playing with floppy drives mrsolidsnake770 has that covered.

This should be on chat though but you are a mod here so.

What about playing with midi files with your collection of soundfonts.

I have a collection of fonts from musinkite and arachno which are custom made general midi fonts to things like yamaha, nokia synth and creative cards even a gravis ultrasound and sega, and nentendo units so there is that I guess.

Fiddling withh chip composition softwaree, there is plenty of chip music about.

Recording sounds in particular with em pickup coils.

I have one though not used it for ages.

They are easy to pickup and easy to aparently make.

Doing things like sticking something into something else or using a old hard drive magnet as a wind chime or sticking a stainless steel bowl into a drier, recording those and making those into instruments.

I think andrelouis recorded an old broken hard drive and made bits of it sound like a chime, and got an instrument out of it.

On 4/06/2022 7:43 pm, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io wrote:
This is going a bit off topic. Please don't mention playing tunes on floppy drive stepper motors.
Brian


Re: The Gmail website with NVDA

Marisane Moruthanyana
 

Hi Bob

You need first to get off the web navigation mode.
This is done by pressing nvda+spacebar.
You then may tab or shift-tab to the button labelled html basic and
press the spacebar to activate it.
Remember to get back to the navigation mode so that you are able to
use navigation keys again.

Hope you find this in order.
Marisane

On 6/4/22, Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...> wrote:
Hi all,
Well, I've been meaning to get off this list for a couple weeks now,
but new questions just keep popping up. This one has to do with the
GMail website and NVFDA. Since last September, whenever I log into my
GMail account, it loads standard view, despite me having had it set to
load basic HTML by default before then, and it changing on its own. I
was telling a friend about how I was considering moving to using Gmail
with Outlook, and she was telling me that she was able to switch back
to having basic HTML as her default view. This is the same friend who
I was mentioning last week with Zoom, so her primary screen reader is
JAWS. I think she said she uses Chrome as her default browser, and I
use Firefox. We were talking about this on Zoom just now, and she told
me that there was a button at the top of the page that says "basic
HTML." As my laptop is a touchscreen, I was able to swipe to the left
and find that button, but when I double tap on it, NVDA simply says
"activate," but does nothing, and I can't seem to get to it using the
normal keyboard commands. How do I access this?
Thanks,
Bob






Re: The Gmail website with NVDA

Gene
 

I saw, after I sent my last message, that Jackie sent a message with a longer link that does the same thing.  The link I sent is shorter and does the same thing.

Gene

On 6/4/2022 3:51 PM, Gene via groups.io wrote:

You shouldn't get off the list.  You should go no mail. If you unsubscribe not only do you have to resubscribe if you want to send messages to the list, but your first message must be approved, which may delay it reaching the list.  This is not something list owners can change.  It is imposed on lists by the person who runs groups.io. 

If you go no mail, you can send the list a command to resume delivery again and, since you are still a member, you don't have to wait for your first message to be approved.

There is an address you can use to go to the simple HTML view.  It isn't possible, using the standard address, to go directly to simple HTML anymore.

The address, which you should use instead of the address you are using is:
https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/h/

Gene
On 6/4/2022 3:30 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
Hi all,
Well, I've been meaning to get off this list for a couple weeks now,
but new questions just keep popping up. This one has to do with the
GMail website and NVFDA. Since last September, whenever I log into my
GMail account, it loads standard view, despite me having had it set to
load basic HTML by default before then, and it changing on its own. I
was telling a friend about how I was considering moving to using Gmail
with Outlook, and she was telling me that she was able to switch back
to having basic HTML as her default view. This is the same friend who
I was mentioning last week with Zoom, so her primary screen reader is
JAWS. I think she said she uses Chrome as her default browser, and I
use Firefox. We were talking about this on Zoom just now, and she told
me that there was a button at the top of the page that says "basic
HTML." As my laptop is a touchscreen, I was able to swipe to the left
and find that button, but when I double tap on it, NVDA simply says
"activate," but does nothing, and I can't seem to get to it using the
normal keyboard commands. How do I access this?
Thanks,
Bob





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Re: The Gmail website with NVDA

Gene
 

You shouldn't get off the list.  You should go no mail. If you unsubscribe not only do you have to resubscribe if you want to send messages to the list, but your first message must be approved, which may delay it reaching the list.  This is not something list owners can change.  It is imposed on lists by the person who runs groups.io. 

If you go no mail, you can send the list a command to resume delivery again and, since you are still a member, you don't have to wait for your first message to be approved.

There is an address you can use to go to the simple HTML view.  It isn't possible, using the standard address, to go directly to simple HTML anymore.

The address, which you should use instead of the address you are using is:
https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/h/

Gene
On 6/4/2022 3:30 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:

Hi all,
Well, I've been meaning to get off this list for a couple weeks now,
but new questions just keep popping up. This one has to do with the
GMail website and NVFDA. Since last September, whenever I log into my
GMail account, it loads standard view, despite me having had it set to
load basic HTML by default before then, and it changing on its own. I
was telling a friend about how I was considering moving to using Gmail
with Outlook, and she was telling me that she was able to switch back
to having basic HTML as her default view. This is the same friend who
I was mentioning last week with Zoom, so her primary screen reader is
JAWS. I think she said she uses Chrome as her default browser, and I
use Firefox. We were talking about this on Zoom just now, and she told
me that there was a button at the top of the page that says "basic
HTML." As my laptop is a touchscreen, I was able to swipe to the left
and find that button, but when I double tap on it, NVDA simply says
"activate," but does nothing, and I can't seem to get to it using the
normal keyboard commands. How do I access this?
Thanks,
Bob





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Re: The Gmail website with NVDA

Jackie
 

On 6/4/22, Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...> wrote:
Hi all,
Well, I've been meaning to get off this list for a couple weeks now,
but new questions just keep popping up. This one has to do with the
GMail website and NVFDA. Since last September, whenever I log into my
GMail account, it loads standard view, despite me having had it set to
load basic HTML by default before then, and it changing on its own. I
was telling a friend about how I was considering moving to using Gmail
with Outlook, and she was telling me that she was able to switch back
to having basic HTML as her default view. This is the same friend who
I was mentioning last week with Zoom, so her primary screen reader is
JAWS. I think she said she uses Chrome as her default browser, and I
use Firefox. We were talking about this on Zoom just now, and she told
me that there was a button at the top of the page that says "basic
HTML." As my laptop is a touchscreen, I was able to swipe to the left
and find that button, but when I double tap on it, NVDA simply says
"activate," but does nothing, and I can't seem to get to it using the
normal keyboard commands. How do I access this?
Thanks,
Bob





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The Gmail website with NVDA

Bob Cavanaugh
 

Hi all,
Well, I've been meaning to get off this list for a couple weeks now,
but new questions just keep popping up. This one has to do with the
GMail website and NVFDA. Since last September, whenever I log into my
GMail account, it loads standard view, despite me having had it set to
load basic HTML by default before then, and it changing on its own. I
was telling a friend about how I was considering moving to using Gmail
with Outlook, and she was telling me that she was able to switch back
to having basic HTML as her default view. This is the same friend who
I was mentioning last week with Zoom, so her primary screen reader is
JAWS. I think she said she uses Chrome as her default browser, and I
use Firefox. We were talking about this on Zoom just now, and she told
me that there was a button at the top of the page that says "basic
HTML." As my laptop is a touchscreen, I was able to swipe to the left
and find that button, but when I double tap on it, NVDA simply says
"activate," but does nothing, and I can't seem to get to it using the
normal keyboard commands. How do I access this?
Thanks,
Bob


Re: Whatsapp Desktop with NVDA unable to navigate chat list with arrow up and down keys

Ahmad Ismat
 

Hi Kah Yong,

 

Fantastic !   The shortcut really works  well !

This is very helpful !

Thanks so much , really appreciate it

 

Best Wishes,

Ahmad

!

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sim Kah Yong
Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2022 6:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Whatsapp Desktop with NVDA unable to navigate chat list with arrow up and down keys

 

Hi Ahmad and all,

Another way to move to the different chat is by pressing Control + 1 (numbers at the top row) to move to the first chat and Control + 2 to the second chat and so on.Hope this help.

On 4/6/2022 11:45 am, Vaibhav Saraf wrote:

Hi Ahmad,

 

I never used the NVDA WhatsApp add-on and can confirm that am also facing the same issue.

 

I believe this has nothing to do with the add-on but WhatsApp itself.

 

Thanks,,

Vaibhav

 

 

 

On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 at 20:58, Ahmad Ismat <aiar95r@...> wrote:

Hi Mobeen Iqbal,

 

Thanks so much for your feedback..really appreciate it !

 

Yes this is the alternative technique that I used as well.

 

Hope the developer for the WhatsApp Desktop nvda add on  can rectify this issue.

 

I have personally sent a request and highlighted this issue to the developer yesterday. Waiting for response.

Will share any response obtained from the developer in this group😊

 

Best Wishes,

ahmad

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mobeen Iqbal
Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2022 4:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Whatsapp Desktop with NVDA unable to navigate chat list with arrow up and down keys

 

Hi.

I've had the same issue for some months now despite installing the latest updates to the add-on and whatsapp. The only way around it for now it seems is to switch between chats with control tab and control shift tab. When you press control shift tab and you can't cycle back any more, that's the latest chat.

Very best wishes,

Mo.

 

On 03/06/2022 10:52, Ahmad Ismat wrote:

Hi,

 

It has ben 3 days since I face problem  when navigating the chat list in Whatsapp Desktop version on Windows 10. Previously one is able to move from one chat list to another using the arrow down or arrow up keys.  Unfortunately now when in the chat list pressing the arrow down or arrow up will go straight to the chat contents and there is no way you can navigate from one chat to another chat anymore !!

It is really frustrating ..anyone face the same problem ?

Is there a fix to this problem ? anyone kind to respond..thanks in advance..

 

My software version used are as follows:

  1. Windows 10 version  21H2
  2. WhatsApp Desktop Version 2.2218.8
  3. NVDA version  2022.1
  4. Whatsapp NVDA add on version  used  Version: 2.2212.8; Author: Gerardo Kessler <ReaperYOtrasYerbas@... 

 

Best Wishes,

Ahmad Ismat

Malaysia

 

 


Re: for the third time, filling out a PDF

Gene
 

The problem may not be with Adobe.  The problem may be in how PDF documents are formatted when accessibility isn't implemented by the creators of documents.  I don't use PDF documents enough to know how widespread problems are. 

Gene
On 6/4/2022 7:53 AM, Chris Smart wrote:

I especially don't understand why there are so many problems, because Adobe on the surface at least, appear to take accessibility quite seriously. They are always represented at major accessibility conferences like Ax-con.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via groups.io
Sent: June 4, 2022 3:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] for the third time, filling out a PDF

There seem to be so many issues with PDF files, particularly accessibility wise, I simply cannot see why programs produce them do not actually make them accessible as it is then when thy have all the data needed to make the changes to reading order and the positioning and interactability of edit field in any file created, As long as we leave this to the user, we get lots of hit and miss files that work only partly in different readers.
 Brian

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Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2022 4:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] for the third time, filling out a PDF


Dear all,

While I may be unable to share the PDF in question, I had an experience with a fillable PDF form that:
1 Edge and Firefox could read the contents of but not access the form fields in (expected)
2 Adobe Acrobat DC rendered both the text and form fields of but did not let me edit or input anything in (I had freshly installed Adobe Acrobat DC and had selected the recommended accessibility settings rather than any custom ones when it detected my use of assistive
technology)
3 Foxit Reader rendered both the text and the form fields of and allowed me to populate edit fields and check check boxes in and save the edited document (the process was far from fully accessible but
regardless)

I am willing to concede that with some settings changes somewhere, Adobe might have been able to get the job done. But as it stands, Foxit was the only tool that worked out-of-the-box and afforded me the most access to editing the interactive PDF. All of that is to encourage folks to consider opening the PDFs they previously found half-acccessible in Foxit Reader instead.

Thanks.

On 5/23/22, Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...> wrote:
I've seen the progress indicator in question, but on smaller PDF files 
like the one I linked to, I don't see that indicator, and it didn't 
seem to change the way it was handled by NVDA.

On 5/23/22, Dave Grossoehme <dave@...> wrote:
Sorry I'm late on this information. However, it would sound like 
something is hanging up the response of NVDA and Adobe to tell the 
user that the application is being loaded. I have questioned this 
action being a problem when using Windows 11, but is this a UAI 
Problem, or something with NVDA or Adobe?

Dave


On 5/20/2022 6:59 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Well, when I open the form Bob gave the link for, I eventually end 
up having it act just like any random web form would in terms of 
tabbing through the form fields. There are also a number of 
checkboxes to indicate a given piece of equipment in the list has 
been returned and these are on the second page of the form.

But note well, I said "eventually." I can't make any sense of what's 
going on, and am not getting any useful status either from Adobe or 
from NVDA with regard to whether there is background processing 
going on by the Accessibility Wizard to hand information to NVDA 
that it would not otherwise have. But whatever is happening it is NOT fast.
I can play around for at least 1 minute, possibly somewhat longer, 
whether via point and click or using tab to move among the various 
fields. Then, after waiting for a while, suddenly tabbing between 
the fields gives the field label, including the colon that's a part 
of each label, when you land in the various fields.

Very strange. No rational person would expect a lag like this 
between opening a document and being able to use it with a screen 
reader sans any sort of warning that they needed to wait for 
something to finish before they start.

I am using Windows 10, Version 21H2, Build 19044.1076 Adobe Reader 
DC 2022.001.20117 NVDA 2021.3.5
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Re: for the third time, filling out a PDF

Chris Smart
 

I especially don't understand why there are so many problems, because Adobe on the surface at least, appear to take accessibility quite seriously. They are always represented at major accessibility conferences like Ax-con.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via groups.io
Sent: June 4, 2022 3:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] for the third time, filling out a PDF

There seem to be so many issues with PDF files, particularly accessibility wise, I simply cannot see why programs produce them do not actually make them accessible as it is then when thy have all the data needed to make the changes to reading order and the positioning and interactability of edit field in any file created, As long as we leave this to the user, we get lots of hit and miss files that work only partly in different readers.
Brian

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From: "Bhavya shah" <bhavya.shah125@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2022 4:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] for the third time, filling out a PDF


Dear all,

While I may be unable to share the PDF in question, I had an experience with a fillable PDF form that:
1 Edge and Firefox could read the contents of but not access the form fields in (expected)
2 Adobe Acrobat DC rendered both the text and form fields of but did not let me edit or input anything in (I had freshly installed Adobe Acrobat DC and had selected the recommended accessibility settings rather than any custom ones when it detected my use of assistive
technology)
3 Foxit Reader rendered both the text and the form fields of and allowed me to populate edit fields and check check boxes in and save the edited document (the process was far from fully accessible but
regardless)

I am willing to concede that with some settings changes somewhere, Adobe might have been able to get the job done. But as it stands, Foxit was the only tool that worked out-of-the-box and afforded me the most access to editing the interactive PDF. All of that is to encourage folks to consider opening the PDFs they previously found half-acccessible in Foxit Reader instead.

Thanks.

On 5/23/22, Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...> wrote:
I've seen the progress indicator in question, but on smaller PDF files
like the one I linked to, I don't see that indicator, and it didn't
seem to change the way it was handled by NVDA.

On 5/23/22, Dave Grossoehme <dave@...> wrote:
Sorry I'm late on this information. However, it would sound like
something is hanging up the response of NVDA and Adobe to tell the
user that the application is being loaded. I have questioned this
action being a problem when using Windows 11, but is this a UAI
Problem, or something with NVDA or Adobe?

Dave


On 5/20/2022 6:59 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Well, when I open the form Bob gave the link for, I eventually end
up having it act just like any random web form would in terms of
tabbing through the form fields. There are also a number of
checkboxes to indicate a given piece of equipment in the list has
been returned and these are on the second page of the form.

But note well, I said "eventually." I can't make any sense of what's
going on, and am not getting any useful status either from Adobe or
from NVDA with regard to whether there is background processing
going on by the Accessibility Wizard to hand information to NVDA
that it would not otherwise have. But whatever is happening it is NOT fast.
I can play around for at least 1 minute, possibly somewhat longer,
whether via point and click or using tab to move among the various
fields. Then, after waiting for a while, suddenly tabbing between
the fields gives the field label, including the colon that's a part
of each label, when you land in the various fields.

Very strange. No rational person would expect a lag like this
between opening a document and being able to use it with a screen
reader sans any sort of warning that they needed to wait for
something to finish before they start.

I am using Windows 10, Version 21H2, Build 19044.1076 Adobe Reader
DC 2022.001.20117 NVDA 2021.3.5
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Re: Whatsapp Desktop with NVDA unable to navigate chat list with arrow up and down keys

Ahmad Ismat
 

             Hi Vaibhav,

 

Yes, I think  so as well.

my idea that the whatsapp nvda add—on developer could tweek the add-on to solve this issue is incorrect.

 

In fact  I also face the same problem with WhatsApp web version.

Even though I use a script  to make the WhatsApp Web version more accessible  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsKyes6-VjM&t=233s), for the past 4 days the same issue occurs here as well !

Amazingly It was running fine for the past 6 months ..

 

Anyways Thanks for your response, really appreciate it !😊

Let us hope that the next update for both WhatsApp desktop and Web versions will solve this issue  once and for all !

 

Best Wishes,

Ahmad

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Vaibhav Saraf
Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2022 11:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Whatsapp Desktop with NVDA unable to navigate chat list with arrow up and down keys

 

Hi Ahmad,

 

I never used the NVDA WhatsApp add-on and can confirm that am also facing the same issue.

 

I believe this has nothing to do with the add-on but WhatsApp itself.

 

Thanks,,

Vaibhav

 

 

 

On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 at 20:58, Ahmad Ismat <aiar95r@...> wrote:

Hi Mobeen Iqbal,

 

Thanks so much for your feedback..really appreciate it !

 

Yes this is the alternative technique that I used as well.

 

Hope the developer for the WhatsApp Desktop nvda add on  can rectify this issue.

 

I have personally sent a request and highlighted this issue to the developer yesterday. Waiting for response.

Will share any response obtained from the developer in this group😊

 

Best Wishes,

ahmad

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mobeen Iqbal
Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2022 4:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Whatsapp Desktop with NVDA unable to navigate chat list with arrow up and down keys

 

Hi.

I've had the same issue for some months now despite installing the latest updates to the add-on and whatsapp. The only way around it for now it seems is to switch between chats with control tab and control shift tab. When you press control shift tab and you can't cycle back any more, that's the latest chat.

Very best wishes,

Mo.

 

On 03/06/2022 10:52, Ahmad Ismat wrote:

Hi,

 

It has ben 3 days since I face problem  when navigating the chat list in Whatsapp Desktop version on Windows 10. Previously one is able to move from one chat list to another using the arrow down or arrow up keys.  Unfortunately now when in the chat list pressing the arrow down or arrow up will go straight to the chat contents and there is no way you can navigate from one chat to another chat anymore !!

It is really frustrating ..anyone face the same problem ?

Is there a fix to this problem ? anyone kind to respond..thanks in advance..

 

My software version used are as follows:

  1. Windows 10 version  21H2
  2. WhatsApp Desktop Version 2.2218.8
  3. NVDA version  2022.1
  4. Whatsapp NVDA add on version  used  Version: 2.2212.8; Author: Gerardo Kessler <ReaperYOtrasYerbas@... 

 

Best Wishes,

Ahmad Ismat

Malaysia

 

 


Re: Whatsapp Desktop with NVDA unable to navigate chat list with arrow up and down keys

Sim Kah Yong
 

Hi Ahmad and all,

Another way to move to the different chat is by pressing Control + 1 (numbers at the top row) to move to the first chat and Control + 2 to the second chat and so on.Hope this help.

On 4/6/2022 11:45 am, Vaibhav Saraf wrote:

Hi Ahmad,

I never used the NVDA WhatsApp add-on and can confirm that am also facing the same issue.

I believe this has nothing to do with the add-on but WhatsApp itself.

Thanks,,
Vaibhav



On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 at 20:58, Ahmad Ismat <aiar95r@...> wrote:

Hi Mobeen Iqbal,

 

Thanks so much for your feedback..really appreciate it !

 

Yes this is the alternative technique that I used as well.

 

Hope the developer for the WhatsApp Desktop nvda add on  can rectify this issue.

 

I have personally sent a request and highlighted this issue to the developer yesterday. Waiting for response.

Will share any response obtained from the developer in this group😊

 

Best Wishes,

ahmad

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mobeen Iqbal
Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2022 4:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Whatsapp Desktop with NVDA unable to navigate chat list with arrow up and down keys

 

Hi.

I've had the same issue for some months now despite installing the latest updates to the add-on and whatsapp. The only way around it for now it seems is to switch between chats with control tab and control shift tab. When you press control shift tab and you can't cycle back any more, that's the latest chat.

Very best wishes,

Mo.

 

On 03/06/2022 10:52, Ahmad Ismat wrote:

Hi,

 

It has ben 3 days since I face problem  when navigating the chat list in Whatsapp Desktop version on Windows 10. Previously one is able to move from one chat list to another using the arrow down or arrow up keys.  Unfortunately now when in the chat list pressing the arrow down or arrow up will go straight to the chat contents and there is no way you can navigate from one chat to another chat anymore !!

It is really frustrating ..anyone face the same problem ?

Is there a fix to this problem ? anyone kind to respond..thanks in advance..

 

My software version used are as follows:

  1. Windows 10 version  21H2
  2. WhatsApp Desktop Version 2.2218.8
  3. NVDA version  2022.1
  4. Whatsapp NVDA add on version  used  Version: 2.2212.8; Author: Gerardo Kessler <ReaperYOtrasYerbas@... 

 

Best Wishes,

Ahmad Ismat

Malaysia

 

 


Re: for the third time, filling out a PDF

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There seem to be so many issues with PDF files, particularly accessibility wise, I simply cannot see why programs produce them do not actually make them accessible as it is then when thy have all the data needed to make the changes to reading order and the positioning and interactability of edit field in any file created, As long as we leave this to the user, we get lots of hit and miss files that work only partly in different readers.
Brian

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From: "Bhavya shah" <bhavya.shah125@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2022 4:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] for the third time, filling out a PDF


Dear all,

While I may be unable to share the PDF in question, I had an
experience with a fillable PDF form that:
1 Edge and Firefox could read the contents of but not access the form
fields in (expected)
2 Adobe Acrobat DC rendered both the text and form fields of but did
not let me edit or input anything in (I had freshly installed Adobe
Acrobat DC and had selected the recommended accessibility settings
rather than any custom ones when it detected my use of assistive
technology)
3 Foxit Reader rendered both the text and the form fields of and
allowed me to populate edit fields and check check boxes in and save
the edited document (the process was far from fully accessible but
regardless)

I am willing to concede that with some settings changes somewhere,
Adobe might have been able to get the job done. But as it stands,
Foxit was the only tool that worked out-of-the-box and afforded me the
most access to editing the interactive PDF. All of that is to
encourage folks to consider opening the PDFs they previously found
half-acccessible in Foxit Reader instead.

Thanks.

On 5/23/22, Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...> wrote:
I've seen the progress indicator in question, but on smaller PDF files
like the one I linked to, I don't see that indicator, and it didn't
seem to change the way it was handled by NVDA.

On 5/23/22, Dave Grossoehme <dave@...> wrote:
Sorry I'm late on this information. However, it would sound like
something is hanging up the response of NVDA and Adobe to tell the user
that the application is being loaded. I have questioned this action
being a problem when using Windows 11, but is this a UAI Problem, or
something with NVDA or Adobe?

Dave


On 5/20/2022 6:59 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Well, when I open the form Bob gave the link for, I eventually end up
having it act just like any random web form would in terms of tabbing
through the form fields. There are also a number of checkboxes to
indicate a given piece of equipment in the list has been returned and
these are on the second page of the form.

But note well, I said "eventually." I can't make any sense of what's
going on, and am not getting any useful status either from Adobe or
from NVDA with regard to whether there is background processing going
on by the Accessibility Wizard to hand information to NVDA that it
would not otherwise have. But whatever is happening it is NOT fast.
I can play around for at least 1 minute, possibly somewhat longer,
whether via point and click or using tab to move among the various
fields. Then, after waiting for a while, suddenly tabbing between the
fields gives the field label, including the colon that's a part of
each label, when you land in the various fields.

Very strange. No rational person would expect a lag like this between
opening a document and being able to use it with a screen reader sans
any sort of warning that they needed to wait for something to finish
before they start.

I am using Windows 10, Version 21H2, Build 19044.1076
Adobe Reader DC 2022.001.20117
NVDA 2021.3.5
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Re: Something fun.

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This is going a bit off topic. Please don't mention playing tunes on floppy drive stepper motors.
Brian

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From: "Ken Perry" <kperry@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2022 4:19 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Something fun.


Laugh when I was Project lead on the Orion TI-84 TGC the sighted TI hackers actually bought one because they thought we added total sound to it. We didn’t. Even with what we did though they did the same thing with the calculator. If you search for Orion TI-84 Star wars you will find a you tube video they made back when it first released. They also did the Mario brothers song on it as well. I guess people do have to much time on their hands.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 11:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Something fun.



some people have too much time on their hands, but it does work.



On 6/3/2022 6:05 PM, Ken Perry wrote:



Turn indentation on sound under documentation, and turn punctuation off. Then open the attached file in an editor. If you arrow down at the right tempo you can have Mario brothers theme. A student of mine did this in a few minutes and its pretty fun.





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Re: Web developer issue with NVDA reading the word "us"

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Yes sometimes you get strange things on buttons like the hotkey for it in brackets inside the word which also can be quite amusing to listen to being read.
Would it really matter though if web sites did not capitalise US at all?
CONTACT Us or Contact Us perhaps

Brian

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Sent: Friday, June 03, 2022 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Web developer issue with NVDA reading the word "us"


On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 04:18 PM, Gene wrote:


I tested four or five synthesizers and DecTalk was the only one that did
this so it appears this is a wide spread behavior of synthesizers.
-
Which is absolutely no surprise. Nine times out of ten (more, really) all caps US is short for United States, but understood if U and S are read as letters.

Strings of all caps are generally considered to be "short for" something else. Some are pronounceable while others are not.
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Re: Clipboard inquiry

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Yes, well, from my experience the leading spaces seem always to be at the start, and yet I don't know where they came from. I'd have thought that some way to edit out all but one space in a file that is in the clipboard as a kind of toggle might be nice, though how this could be done I'm not sure. As has been said the clipboard to a text editor trick is what I tend to d, but should really not have to.
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----- Original Message -----
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2022 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Clipboard inquiry


Hi:



Thanks for the suggestion. I’ll see if I can put one in later today.



I just thought maybe I was missing an option.



Thanks!



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From: Gene
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 11:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Clipboard inquiry



NVDA doesn't read anything that is a certain amount of characters or more. I assume the blank space is in the form of something like spaces, which are characters.

I've pretty much given up writing tickets with suggestions. I've written about five and in no case have any of them come even close to being adopted. But you may want to create a ticket with the suggestion that the size of what is on the clipboard should not cause it not to be read. It is not the screen-reader's business to control what the user hears in a case like this based on some notion of what the developers think is good for us. Speech can be stopped with control, just as it can at any other time and this limitation is unnecessary and limits the user without justification.

Gene

On 6/3/2022 10:11 AM, Joseph Norton wrote:

Hi listers:



I use a couple applications which copy data to the clipboard.



I know I can press NVDA+C to read out the clipboard contents. However, sometimes, I am told the clipboard contains a large portion of text. In my case, this is a lot of actual blank space. Is there any way to override this so NVDA will read it out anyway?



Thanks!



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Re: Whatsapp Desktop with NVDA unable to navigate chat list with arrow up and down keys

Vaibhav Saraf
 

Hi Ahmad,

I never used the NVDA WhatsApp add-on and can confirm that am also facing the same issue.

I believe this has nothing to do with the add-on but WhatsApp itself.

Thanks,,
Vaibhav



On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 at 20:58, Ahmad Ismat <aiar95r@...> wrote:

Hi Mobeen Iqbal,

 

Thanks so much for your feedback..really appreciate it !

 

Yes this is the alternative technique that I used as well.

 

Hope the developer for the WhatsApp Desktop nvda add on  can rectify this issue.

 

I have personally sent a request and highlighted this issue to the developer yesterday. Waiting for response.

Will share any response obtained from the developer in this group😊

 

Best Wishes,

ahmad

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mobeen Iqbal
Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2022 4:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Whatsapp Desktop with NVDA unable to navigate chat list with arrow up and down keys

 

Hi.

I've had the same issue for some months now despite installing the latest updates to the add-on and whatsapp. The only way around it for now it seems is to switch between chats with control tab and control shift tab. When you press control shift tab and you can't cycle back any more, that's the latest chat.

Very best wishes,

Mo.

 

On 03/06/2022 10:52, Ahmad Ismat wrote:

Hi,

 

It has ben 3 days since I face problem  when navigating the chat list in Whatsapp Desktop version on Windows 10. Previously one is able to move from one chat list to another using the arrow down or arrow up keys.  Unfortunately now when in the chat list pressing the arrow down or arrow up will go straight to the chat contents and there is no way you can navigate from one chat to another chat anymore !!

It is really frustrating ..anyone face the same problem ?

Is there a fix to this problem ? anyone kind to respond..thanks in advance..

 

My software version used are as follows:

  1. Windows 10 version  21H2
  2. WhatsApp Desktop Version 2.2218.8
  3. NVDA version  2022.1
  4. Whatsapp NVDA add on version  used  Version: 2.2212.8; Author: Gerardo Kessler <ReaperYOtrasYerbas@... 

 

Best Wishes,

Ahmad Ismat

Malaysia

 

 


Re: for the third time, filling out a PDF

Bhavya shah
 

Dear all,

While I may be unable to share the PDF in question, I had an
experience with a fillable PDF form that:
1 Edge and Firefox could read the contents of but not access the form
fields in (expected)
2 Adobe Acrobat DC rendered both the text and form fields of but did
not let me edit or input anything in (I had freshly installed Adobe
Acrobat DC and had selected the recommended accessibility settings
rather than any custom ones when it detected my use of assistive
technology)
3 Foxit Reader rendered both the text and the form fields of and
allowed me to populate edit fields and check check boxes in and save
the edited document (the process was far from fully accessible but
regardless)

I am willing to concede that with some settings changes somewhere,
Adobe might have been able to get the job done. But as it stands,
Foxit was the only tool that worked out-of-the-box and afforded me the
most access to editing the interactive PDF. All of that is to
encourage folks to consider opening the PDFs they previously found
half-acccessible in Foxit Reader instead.

Thanks.

On 5/23/22, Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...> wrote:
I've seen the progress indicator in question, but on smaller PDF files
like the one I linked to, I don't see that indicator, and it didn't
seem to change the way it was handled by NVDA.

On 5/23/22, Dave Grossoehme <dave@...> wrote:
Sorry I'm late on this information.  However, it would sound like
something is hanging up the response of NVDA and Adobe to tell the user
that the application is being loaded.  I have questioned this action
being a problem when using Windows 11, but is this a UAI Problem, or
something with NVDA or Adobe?

Dave


On 5/20/2022 6:59 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Well, when I open the form Bob gave the link for, I eventually end up
having it act just like any random web form would in terms of tabbing
through the form fields.  There are also a number of checkboxes to
indicate a given piece of equipment in the list has been returned and
these are on the second page of the form.

But note well, I said "eventually."  I can't make any sense of what's
going on, and am not getting any useful status either from Adobe or
from NVDA with regard to whether there is background processing going
on by the Accessibility Wizard to hand information to NVDA that it
would not otherwise have.  But whatever is happening it is NOT fast.
I can play around for at least 1 minute, possibly somewhat longer,
whether via point and click or using tab to move among the various
fields.  Then, after waiting for a while, suddenly tabbing between the
fields gives the field label, including the colon that's a part of
each label, when you land in the various fields.

Very strange.  No rational person would expect a lag like this between
opening a document and being able to use it with a screen reader sans
any sort of warning that they needed to wait for something to finish
before they start.

I am using Windows 10, Version 21H2, Build 19044.1076
Adobe Reader DC 2022.001.20117
NVDA 2021.3.5
--

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*/You can't crush ideas by suppressing them. You can only crush them
by ignoring them.
/*     ~ Ursula LeGuin, /The Dispossessed/









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Bhavya Shah
B.S. in Mathematical and Computational Science | Stanford '24
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/


Re: Something fun.

Ken Perry
 

Laugh when I was Project lead on the Orion TI-84 TGC the sighted TI hackers actually bought one because they thought we added total sound to it.  We didn’t.  Even with what we did though they did the same thing with the calculator.  If you search for Orion TI-84 Star wars you will find a you tube video they made back when it first released.  They also did the Mario brothers song on it as well.  I guess people do have to much time on their hands.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 11:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Something fun.

 

some people have too much time on their hands, but it does work.

On 6/3/2022 6:05 PM, Ken Perry wrote:

 

Turn indentation on                       sound under documentation, and turn punctuation off.  Then open the attached file in an  editor.  If you arrow down at the right tempo you can have Mario brothers theme.  A student of mine did this in a few minutes and its pretty fun.              



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Re: Something fun.

Ron Canazzi
 

some people have too much time on their hands, but it does work.


On 6/3/2022 6:05 PM, Ken Perry wrote:

 

Turn indentation on                       sound under documentation, and turn punctuation off.  Then open the attached file in an  editor.  If you arrow down at the right tempo you can have Mario brothers theme.  A student of mine did this in a few minutes and its pretty fun.              


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