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Spamming the Group - This will not be tolerated #adminnotice

 

Several people have pointed out that a topic introduced last night that was entitled "remote support" and that promoted joining another group was spam.

The member who originated this message has been warned that spamming the group absolutely will not be tolerated.  But since it is possible that spoofing could have been involved, he has not been banned.

But any repetition of spamming, whether the member themselves originated it or it was done because an email account was compromised, will result in a banning for the email address from which those messages originate.  If an account cannot be resecured by changing password then we cannot keep membership active under an address that remains compromised.

With any luck, this will be a one-off situation.  I have not seen anything like it prior to this message on any of the groups of which I'm a member.
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New version of Dictionaries add-on

Rui Fontes
 

Hello friends!


It is now available the version 22.06 of this add-on!


Here is the readme:


## Introduction
This add-on provides a quick way to access, so far, 68 dictionaries.
In order not to overload the add-on , only the dictionaries for Portuguese, English and between these two languages are provided.
The remaining can be downloaded through the add-on itself, using the new interface for managing dictionaries.
We are available to add other dictionaries. So if you want to add a dictionary, please contact one of the authors.


## Usage

To start using this add-on , press Control+Shift+F6.
A window will open where we find a list of the dictionaries present on our computer, from which we can choose the one we want to use, and open it with Enter.
We also have a button to access the window where we can manage dictionaries, a button to set the default dictionary, and finally a button to close the add-on , which is also achieved with Escape.

In the Manage Dictionaries window, we have two tabs: Manage and Download.
On the first tab, we can set the order in which the dictionaries appear in the list or delete the selected dictionary.
On the Download tab we can choose the dictionaries we want to download to use.


## Commands
The command to invoke the extra is Control+Shift+F6.
You can also use the command Control+Windows+F6 to access the default dictionary search directly.
Note: If you do not define a default dictionary, the first dictionary in the list will be used.

You can change these commands in the Input gestures  dialog, in the Dictionaries section.


## Auto update

This add-on includes an auto update feature.

Checking for a new version will be performed each time NVDA is loaded.

If you want this to happen, go to the NVDA menu, Preferences, Settings and in the category of the extra check the checkbox.


Direct download:
https://github.com/ruifontes/Dictionaries/releases/download/22.06/dictionaries-22.06.nvda-addon


Re: Downloading NVDA Add-Ons from GitHub.

 

I would think that add-ons not on the official community add-ons page or the NVDA Add-Ons Directory are very few and far between.

NVDA Add-Ons Directory (hosted by the Spanish-Speaking NVDA Community Association)

NVDA Community Add-Ons Site

And if a "home-grown" add-on does exist outside one of these two handy central repositories, then it's up to those seeking them to find them where they are, which may or may not be GitHub.  They're also a use at your own risk proposition.

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Re: Looking for an accessible twitter client

 

https://twblue.es might be a good fit.





On 6/5/2022 8:08 AM, Pranav Lal wrote:

Hi all,

I am looking for an accessible twitter client that will let me manage
multiple accounts. I use NVDA as my primary screen reader hence my question
to this list.

Pranav







locked Re: to the attention of the group

 

Not only has trouble with doing a simple web search, but also the group rules.  This request is completely divorced from any NVDA-related content and has a nondescript title.  This topic is now locked.

This request would have been entirely appropriate for the Chat Subgroup using a title that gave some idea of what it was about.
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locked Re: to the attention of the group

Chris Smart
 

I guess you have trouble using Google.

https://getbookworm.com/download/

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of mehmet çetin
Sent: June 5, 2022 6:50 AM
To: nvda ingilizce gurubu <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] to the attention of the group

 

 

hello, can you share with me the 32-bit version of the Bookworm-2022.1a5-x64 program?

 


Re: Looking for an accessible twitter client

Akash Kakkar
 

Hey bro, you can try TweeseCake, it's free for now and is amazing

On 6/5/2022 5:38 PM, Pranav Lal wrote:
Hi all,

I am looking for an accessible twitter client that will let me manage
multiple accounts. I use NVDA as my primary screen reader hence my question
to this list.

Pranav





Re: Downloading NVDA Add-Ons from GitHub.

Rui Fontes
 

Ravindran and Luke,


There are a much more easier way of obtaining almost all add-ons in circulation...


This way is through the spanish community pages or through the add-on that allow a easier access to this store...


Rui Fontes


Às 06:59 de 05/06/2022, Luke Davis escreveu:

Ravindran V.S. wrote:

Responding to your initial question, some of the add-ons  are not available
in the official site.
And when we try to get them then we are guided to the GitHub site mostly.
Can you give some examples? Of course such things exist, but I'm curious which ones you are finding.

Those of us on the add-ons list can help those authors get their add-ons on the official site, it's much easier these days than it used to be. (Whether it should be is a question for another day.)

You can try writing to those authors and ask them to put their add-ons on the official site, or tell them to write to the add-ons list and one of us will help them.

Luke





Looking for an accessible twitter client

Pranav Lal
 

Hi all,

I am looking for an accessible twitter client that will let me manage
multiple accounts. I use NVDA as my primary screen reader hence my question
to this list.

Pranav


Re: The Gmail website with NVDA

Gene
 

There are a lot of capabilities that the standard view offers and is capable of that are not available in the Simple HTML view.  I would imagine the simple view isn't capable of doing some or perhaps all of them. 

As far as your white list comment, I haven't created one and I don't know if it is done in the simple view, the standard view, or both.  I won't comment further because I haven't done this except to say that that question should be on the chat list.

Gene
On 6/5/2022 3:10 AM, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io wrote:

What is lost using simple html? I guess what I'm asking here, is why did they change it if the two do the same jobs and the only difference is one is more accessible than the other. I'm all for simplicity, and the whole Google experience seems a bit peculiar to me. I have now got it back working in Imap and pop3, which at least means I can see the spam folder, but I guess I'll never be able to create a white list of people any more.
Brian



locked to the attention of the group

mehmet çetin
 

 
hello, can you share with me the 32-bit version of the Bookworm-2022.1a5-x64 program?
 


Re: Downloading NVDA Add-Ons from GitHub.

Brian's Mail list account
 

I think what often happens is that somebody will have a project in work, and want a newbie to test it, and instead of appreciating the convoluted workings of Github, will point at their space and leave it to the newbie to find the right link. It can be a real trial.
If anyone is working this way, I agree that letting a new user try your add on is good as they can find bugs by doing things you would never think of doing, but send them the link directly via email, to the actual file. I speak from experience of being asked to do this. No criticism intended on developers, just remember not everyone knows the github site.
Brian

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Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2022 5:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Downloading NVDA Add-Ons from GitHub.


Ravindran V.S. wrote:

I am clueless of downloading the NVDA Add-Ons from the GitHub site.
Then why are you trying to do so? I mean no offense, but what makes you think that is what you are supposed to be doing? Is there some particular documentation that told you to do that?

Could someone guide me how please?
Generally, that isn't the best place to get them, you should do as David suggested, or get them via the Add-ons Manager in the NVDA Tools menu, which takes you to the same place.

But if you really must get an add-on from GitHub, go to the add-on's repository. The URL will look something like this:

https://github.com/author/add-on-name

To download a packaged add-on, select "releases", and look for the release with the highest version number (usually).

You can also go directly to https://github.com/author/add-on-name/releases

For example, if you wanted my Numpad Nav Mode add-on, you could go to:

https://github.com/opensourcesys/numpadNavMode/releases

But it's much easier to get it from the official add-ons site as described above.

Luke





Re: The Gmail website with NVDA

Brian's Mail list account
 

What is lost using simple html? I guess what I'm asking here, is why did they change it if the two do the same jobs and the only difference is one is more accessible than the other. I'm all for simplicity, and the whole Google experience seems a bit peculiar to me. I have now got it back working in Imap and pop3, which at least means I can see the spam folder, but I guess I'll never be able to create a white list of people any more.
Brian

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Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2022 1:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] The Gmail website with NVDA


It doesn't. It may have at one time, I don't recall, but that can't be
done now. Even when the offer existed toward the end of its presence,
it didn't work.

However you do it, make it a bookmark or use history to open the simple
HTML page, if you want to go directly there, that is how it is done.

Gene

On 6/4/2022 7:11 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
This did work, though it seems odd that NVDA won't see that button in
browse mode. Gene, your link showed as visited in my browser, which
means that when I open my history to access the basic HTML view,
that's where it goes. My friend seemed to imply that if I used the
button on the top of the standard view page it would ask if I wanted
to set Basic HTML as my default view, which it did not. I will have to
ask her if she has one of those links bookmarked or if she just goes
to gmail.com and logs in that way.

On 6/4/22, Marisane Moruthanyana <marisanem@...> wrote:
Hi Bob

You need first to get off the web navigation mode.
This is done by pressing nvda+spacebar.
You then may tab or shift-tab to the button labelled html basic and
press the spacebar to activate it.
Remember to get back to the navigation mode so that you are able to
use navigation keys again.

Hope you find this in order.
Marisane
On 6/4/22, Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...> wrote:
Hi all,
Well, I've been meaning to get off this list for a couple weeks now,
but new questions just keep popping up. This one has to do with the
GMail website and NVFDA. Since last September, whenever I log into my
GMail account, it loads standard view, despite me having had it set to
load basic HTML by default before then, and it changing on its own. I
was telling a friend about how I was considering moving to using Gmail
with Outlook, and she was telling me that she was able to switch back
to having basic HTML as her default view. This is the same friend who
I was mentioning last week with Zoom, so her primary screen reader is
JAWS. I think she said she uses Chrome as her default browser, and I
use Firefox. We were talking about this on Zoom just now, and she told
me that there was a button at the top of the page that says "basic
HTML." As my laptop is a touchscreen, I was able to swipe to the left
and find that button, but when I double tap on it, NVDA simply says
"activate," but does nothing, and I can't seem to get to it using the
normal keyboard commands. How do I access this?
Thanks,
Bob















Re: for the third time, filling out a PDF

Brian's Mail list account
 

I think its that people tend not to use the pro version of Adobe to create their PDFs, so many are made using third party tools or simply something that creates pdfs from a printer stream that 'looks' right, but usually falls apart as the reading order changes and the tagging does not.
Brian

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Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2022 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] for the third time, filling out a PDF


I especially don't understand why there are so many problems, because Adobe on the surface at least, appear to take accessibility quite seriously. They are always represented at major accessibility conferences like Ax-con.


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: June 4, 2022 3:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] for the third time, filling out a PDF

There seem to be so many issues with PDF files, particularly accessibility wise, I simply cannot see why programs produce them do not actually make them accessible as it is then when thy have all the data needed to make the changes to reading order and the positioning and interactability of edit field in any file created, As long as we leave this to the user, we get lots of hit and miss files that work only partly in different readers.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2022 4:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] for the third time, filling out a PDF


Dear all,

While I may be unable to share the PDF in question, I had an experience with a fillable PDF form that:
1 Edge and Firefox could read the contents of but not access the form fields in (expected)
2 Adobe Acrobat DC rendered both the text and form fields of but did not let me edit or input anything in (I had freshly installed Adobe Acrobat DC and had selected the recommended accessibility settings rather than any custom ones when it detected my use of assistive
technology)
3 Foxit Reader rendered both the text and the form fields of and allowed me to populate edit fields and check check boxes in and save the edited document (the process was far from fully accessible but
regardless)

I am willing to concede that with some settings changes somewhere, Adobe might have been able to get the job done. But as it stands, Foxit was the only tool that worked out-of-the-box and afforded me the most access to editing the interactive PDF. All of that is to encourage folks to consider opening the PDFs they previously found half-acccessible in Foxit Reader instead.

Thanks.

On 5/23/22, Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...> wrote:
I've seen the progress indicator in question, but on smaller PDF files
like the one I linked to, I don't see that indicator, and it didn't
seem to change the way it was handled by NVDA.

On 5/23/22, Dave Grossoehme <dave@...> wrote:
Sorry I'm late on this information. However, it would sound like
something is hanging up the response of NVDA and Adobe to tell the
user that the application is being loaded. I have questioned this
action being a problem when using Windows 11, but is this a UAI
Problem, or something with NVDA or Adobe?

Dave


On 5/20/2022 6:59 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Well, when I open the form Bob gave the link for, I eventually end
up having it act just like any random web form would in terms of
tabbing through the form fields. There are also a number of
checkboxes to indicate a given piece of equipment in the list has
been returned and these are on the second page of the form.

But note well, I said "eventually." I can't make any sense of what's
going on, and am not getting any useful status either from Adobe or
from NVDA with regard to whether there is background processing
going on by the Accessibility Wizard to hand information to NVDA
that it would not otherwise have. But whatever is happening it is NOT fast.
I can play around for at least 1 minute, possibly somewhat longer,
whether via point and click or using tab to move among the various
fields. Then, after waiting for a while, suddenly tabbing between
the fields gives the field label, including the colon that's a part
of each label, when you land in the various fields.

Very strange. No rational person would expect a lag like this
between opening a document and being able to use it with a screen
reader sans any sort of warning that they needed to wait for
something to finish before they start.

I am using Windows 10, Version 21H2, Build 19044.1076 Adobe Reader
DC 2022.001.20117 NVDA 2021.3.5
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Re: Something fun.

 

Your subject didn't say anything about indent sounds.

Anyway I fail to see what you could do that would be fun with them.

bar pitchem up and down.

On 5/06/2022 10:40 am, Ken Perry wrote:
Wow I will remember not to bring you to a party. This was just something light and fun to do with NVDA and indent sounds. Guess you are a good kill joy.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2022 5:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Something fun.


Fun with what.

If you mean game tunes, masterboot record has most of that covered.

If you mean playing with floppy drives mrsolidsnake770 has that covered.

This should be on chat though but you are a mod here so.

What about playing with midi files with your collection of soundfonts.

I have a collection of fonts from musinkite and arachno which are custom made general midi fonts to things like yamaha, nokia synth and creative cards even a gravis ultrasound and sega, and nentendo units so there is that I guess.

Fiddling withh chip composition softwaree, there is plenty of chip music about.

Recording sounds in particular with em pickup coils.

I have one though not used it for ages.

They are easy to pickup and easy to aparently make.

Doing things like sticking something into something else or using a old hard drive magnet as a wind chime or sticking a stainless steel bowl into a drier, recording those and making those into instruments.

I think andrelouis recorded an old broken hard drive and made bits of it sound like a chime, and got an instrument out of it.




On 4/06/2022 7:43 pm, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io wrote:
This is going a bit off topic. Please don't mention playing tunes on
floppy drive stepper motors.
Brian







Re: Downloading NVDA Add-Ons from GitHub.

Luke Davis
 

Ravindran V.S. wrote:

Responding to your initial question, some of the add-ons are not available
in the official site.
And when we try to get them then we are guided to the GitHub site mostly.
Can you give some examples? Of course such things exist, but I'm curious which ones you are finding.

Those of us on the add-ons list can help those authors get their add-ons on the official site, it's much easier these days than it used to be. (Whether it should be is a question for another day.)

You can try writing to those authors and ask them to put their add-ons on the official site, or tell them to write to the add-ons list and one of us will help them.

Luke


Re: Downloading NVDA Add-Ons from GitHub.

Ravindran V.S.
 

Dear Luke,
Thank you for the detailed explanation. Let me give it a try.
Responding to your initial question, some of the add-ons are not available
in the official site.
And when we try to get them then we are guided to the GitHub site mostly.
That's why I tried to get it. But have not succeeded till now. Let me try as
you have mentioned.

Thanks,
Ravi.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis
Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2022 10:07 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Downloading NVDA Add-Ons from GitHub.

Ravindran V.S. wrote:

I am clueless of downloading the NVDA Add-Ons from the GitHub site.
Then why are you trying to do so? I mean no offense, but what makes you
think that is what you are supposed to be doing? Is there some particular
documentation that told you to do that?

Could someone guide me how please?
Generally, that isn't the best place to get them, you should do as David
suggested, or get them via the Add-ons Manager in the NVDA Tools menu, which
takes you to the same place.

But if you really must get an add-on from GitHub, go to the add-on's
repository.
The URL will look something like this:

https://github.com/author/add-on-name

To download a packaged add-on, select "releases", and look for the release
with the highest version number (usually).

You can also go directly to https://github.com/author/add-on-name/releases

For example, if you wanted my Numpad Nav Mode add-on, you could go to:

https://github.com/opensourcesys/numpadNavMode/releases

But it's much easier to get it from the official add-ons site as described
above.

Luke


Re: Downloading NVDA Add-Ons from GitHub.

Ravindran V.S.
 

Thank you David for sharing the link.

But Have found some other useful add-ons which are not available in the official site.

Thanks,

Ravi.   

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2022 9:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Downloading NVDA Add-Ons from GitHub.

 

Hi. If you want a site with addons which is easy to use I recommend starting out with the official community addons page from

https://addons.nvda-project.org/index.en.html

 

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

NVDA Certified Expert

 

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Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ravindran V.S.
Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2022 12:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Downloading NVDA Add-Ons from GitHub.

 

Team,

I am clueless of downloading the NVDA Add-Ons from the GitHub site.

Could someone guide me how please?

I don’t find a link to download any specific Add-On. There are so much details and links. Don’t know where to click to download the Add-On.

Appreciate any help please.

Thanks,

Ravi.


Re: Downloading NVDA Add-Ons from GitHub.

Luke Davis
 

Ravindran V.S. wrote:

I am clueless of downloading the NVDA Add-Ons from the GitHub site.
Then why are you trying to do so? I mean no offense, but what makes you think that is what you are supposed to be doing? Is there some particular documentation that told you to do that?

Could someone guide me how please?
Generally, that isn't the best place to get them, you should do as David suggested, or get them via the Add-ons Manager in the NVDA Tools menu, which takes you to the same place.

But if you really must get an add-on from GitHub, go to the add-on's repository. The URL will look something like this:

https://github.com/author/add-on-name

To download a packaged add-on, select "releases", and look for the release with the highest version number (usually).

You can also go directly to https://github.com/author/add-on-name/releases

For example, if you wanted my Numpad Nav Mode add-on, you could go to:

https://github.com/opensourcesys/numpadNavMode/releases

But it's much easier to get it from the official add-ons site as described above.

Luke


Re: Downloading NVDA Add-Ons from GitHub.

David Goldfield
 

Hi. If you want a site with addons which is easy to use I recommend starting out with the official community addons page from

https://addons.nvda-project.org/index.en.html

 

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

NVDA Certified Expert

 

Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive news, events and information regarding the blindness assistive technology field.

Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io

www.DavidGoldfield.org

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ravindran V.S.
Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2022 12:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Downloading NVDA Add-Ons from GitHub.

 

Team,

I am clueless of downloading the NVDA Add-Ons from the GitHub site.

Could someone guide me how please?

I don’t find a link to download any specific Add-On. There are so much details and links. Don’t know where to click to download the Add-On.

Appreciate any help please.

Thanks,

Ravi.

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