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Re: NVDA may Crash with inactivity on older Windows 10 computer

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

OK, I should have mentioned this in my original post. The computer is an 8 year old AMD clone with 16 GB RAM and a 6 core processor.

On 6/7/2022 2:59 AM, Luke Davis wrote:
Ron Canazzi wrote:

I use an older Windows 10 computer for storage and back up.
What's older?  What does winver say when you run it?

What kind of sound device?
What version of NVDA?
What add-ons are you running?

After not touching it for several hours, NVDA does not work.
Does the same happen with Narrator, if you leave that running for several hours instead?

I know the main sound card through which NVDA voices is working because other sounds I can play with hotkeys do indeed work.
Can you give an example of that?

if I press the hotkey used to launch it, it seems to reload as if it had crashed and needed to be restarted.
Please explain that.
NVDA will always restart when you press its shortcut key, regardless of whether it had been running, crashed, or stopped before.
What, in the way it acts when you press the shortcut key, makes you think it is recovering from a crash? How is it different than pressing the shortcut key while NVDA is working normally?

Luke



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Re: Obsidian

Devin Prater
 

I wish, but no. A lot of those note taking apps aren't very accessible. I've tried Logseq too.
Devin Prater




On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 9:01 PM Christopher Bartlett <themusicalbrewer@...> wrote:
Has anyone had success using obsidian with NVDA?  I made a very quick survey of the program after it was recommended for note-taking and knowledge management, and my first impression is that it's not very friendly.  If anyone uses this successfully, I'd love to hear more.


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screen curtain and saving battery

Kareen
 

Hi all. In my previous laptops there was the option to turn off the display by pressing a key combination. But, with my new laptop which is from the Dell brand this option is not available unfortunately. I want to know about the screen curtain feature in NVDA does enabling it saves battery or it is only meant  for privacy purposes? also, does anyone knows of a way to have the screen really turned off, i mean to have an option similar to what is present in many laptops
I am interested in turning off the display to make the battery last longer.
Thank you


NVDA Crashing when using VLC Media Player

Deenadayalan Moodley
 

Hi all,

 

As the subject indicates, NVDA crashes when opening a media file in VLC portable.

 

Steps to reproduce:

  1. Launch VLC;
  2. Press <ctrl+o> to bring up the open files dialog;
  3. NVDA crashes;
  4. Bringing up narrator works without any issue.
  5. Press <ctrl+alt+n> launches NVDA once more.
  6. If you place focus back into the open dialog, NVDA crashes once more.

 

I have run Narrator and it has no problems.

 

Expected results:

  1. NVDA should read the open dialog without any crashing.

 

Versions:

VLC Portable  3.0.17.4 Vetinari

NVDA 2022.1

Windows Version 21H2 (OS Build 19044.1706)

 

Thanks.

Mr. Deenadayalan Moodley


Re: Add-on suggestion - tone control/EQ for audio output

Chris Smart
 

This would need to be simple, for the non-audio folks. So, how about a simple Baxandall??

That’s nothing more than the bass and treble controls found on millions of car and home hi-fi stereos.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kara Goldfinch
Sent: June 7, 2022 5:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Add-on suggestion - tone control/EQ for audio output

 

Hi.

I'm not a developer so I'm throwing this idea out there in case anyone fancies making it.

I think it'd be awesome to have a tone control or an EQ for NVDA's audio output. An example of why this would be useful would be if you have your computer connected to a decent pair of speakers or a hi-fi and the TTS engine you're using has way too much bass. With this add-on you could easily fix this by removing the low frequencies, and because it would be  NVDA specific, your music or whatever you're listening to wouldn't be effected. I personally get around this problem by using 2 sound cards, but that isn't always an option particularly over headphones.

It could also work the other way by carving out the high frequencies if you have a speech synth that's too sibilant.

I could see this working in 2 ways. Either as a tone control, So 50% would be neutral, with values higher than that affecting the low frequencies and lower values the high frequencies. Or you could have a graphic EQ so you could boost or cut specific bands to taste like on a hi-fi. You could even offer both and allow the user to switch between each mode.

I'm pretty sure there's open source filters and EQs you could incorporate into the add-on so you wouldn't have to make everything from scratch. It wouldn't even have to be the best thing out there, just something good enough for the job.

Obviously it should not introduce any latency.

Feel free to forward this to the add-ons list.

I said at the top it could be an add-on but having it as standard would be even better.

I'm interested to see what you all think.

 

All the best,

Kara


Re: Add-on suggestion - tone control/EQ for audio output

Gene
 

You would need separate adjustments for base and treble.  Having higher values affecting bass and lower values the treble in the same control might be confusing and would limit options.  What if you want to control both? 

Gene
On 6/7/2022 4:42 AM, Kara Goldfinch wrote:

Hi.

I'm not a developer so I'm throwing this idea out there in case anyone fancies making it.

I think it'd be awesome to have a tone control or an EQ for NVDA's audio output. An example of why this would be useful would be if you have your computer connected to a decent pair of speakers or a hi-fi and the TTS engine you're using has way too much bass. With this add-on you could easily fix this by removing the low frequencies, and because it would be  NVDA specific, your music or whatever you're listening to wouldn't be effected. I personally get around this problem by using 2 sound cards, but that isn't always an option particularly over headphones.

It could also work the other way by carving out the high frequencies if you have a speech synth that's too sibilant.

I could see this working in 2 ways. Either as a tone control, So 50% would be neutral, with values higher than that affecting the low frequencies and lower values the high frequencies. Or you could have a graphic EQ so you could boost or cut specific bands to taste like on a hi-fi. You could even offer both and allow the user to switch between each mode.

I'm pretty sure there's open source filters and EQs you could incorporate into the add-on so you wouldn't have to make everything from scratch. It wouldn't even have to be the best thing out there, just something good enough for the job.

Obviously it should not introduce any latency.

Feel free to forward this to the add-ons list.

I said at the top it could be an add-on but having it as standard would be even better.

I'm interested to see what you all think.


All the best,

Kara



Add-on suggestion - tone control/EQ for audio output

Kara Goldfinch
 

Hi.

I'm not a developer so I'm throwing this idea out there in case anyone fancies making it.

I think it'd be awesome to have a tone control or an EQ for NVDA's audio output. An example of why this would be useful would be if you have your computer connected to a decent pair of speakers or a hi-fi and the TTS engine you're using has way too much bass. With this add-on you could easily fix this by removing the low frequencies, and because it would be  NVDA specific, your music or whatever you're listening to wouldn't be effected. I personally get around this problem by using 2 sound cards, but that isn't always an option particularly over headphones.

It could also work the other way by carving out the high frequencies if you have a speech synth that's too sibilant.

I could see this working in 2 ways. Either as a tone control, So 50% would be neutral, with values higher than that affecting the low frequencies and lower values the high frequencies. Or you could have a graphic EQ so you could boost or cut specific bands to taste like on a hi-fi. You could even offer both and allow the user to switch between each mode.

I'm pretty sure there's open source filters and EQs you could incorporate into the add-on so you wouldn't have to make everything from scratch. It wouldn't even have to be the best thing out there, just something good enough for the job.

Obviously it should not introduce any latency.

Feel free to forward this to the add-ons list.

I said at the top it could be an add-on but having it as standard would be even better.

I'm interested to see what you all think.


All the best,

Kara


Re: NVDA may Crash with inactivity on older Windows 10 computer

Brian's Mail list account
 

Running it via the batch file I posted the other day might allow you to see the previous log easily, simply go back to before the shut down command in the log and see if anything untoward is happening while its idling.

Brian

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Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2022 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA may Crash with inactivity on older Windows 10 computer


Ron Canazzi wrote:

I use an older Windows 10 computer for storage and back up.
What's older? What does winver say when you run it?

What kind of sound device?
What version of NVDA?
What add-ons are you running?

After not touching it for several hours, NVDA does not work.
Does the same happen with Narrator, if you leave that running for several hours instead?

I know the main sound card through which NVDA voices is working because other sounds I can play with hotkeys do indeed work.
Can you give an example of that?

if I press the hotkey used to launch it, it seems to reload as if it had crashed and needed to be restarted.
Please explain that.
NVDA will always restart when you press its shortcut key, regardless of whether it had been running, crashed, or stopped before.
What, in the way it acts when you press the shortcut key, makes you think it is recovering from a crash? How is it different than pressing the shortcut key while NVDA is working normally?

Luke




Re: NVDA may Crash with inactivity on older Windows 10 computer

Brian's Mail list account
 

I don't consider 2015 old myself, as they seem to work very well even if its still got windows 7 on it as well. I'm at a loss, unless you have something else running like a malware spotter or something. It cannot even be the sound card driver tendency to go to sleep if you get other sounds without a pregnant pause. What do the individual audio controls show. You might need sighted help for that while its in the sulk mode. Could it have somehow rebooted and decided there was no sound device? A look at the previous log after a reboot might show something up.
Brian

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From: "Monte Single" <mrsingle@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2022 6:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA may Crash with inactivity on older Windows 10 computer


Hi Ron,

I'm not sure what yu mean by "older".
I am using an hp desktop with a core i5 sixth gen processor with nvda.
I bought this pc used about 3 years ago.
So it could have been first used in 2015-16.
On a daily basis, I leave it running with nvda set to speechoff; in the morning I press insert plus s to turn the speech back on.
Never had this problem.
Yes, I have had problems trying to switch from nvda to narrator or a jaws demo, but not nvda.


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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: June 6, 2022 11:02 PM
To: NVDA Official Group <nvda@groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] NVDA may Crash with inactivity on older Windows 10 computer

Hi Group,

Has anyone seen something like the following. I use an older Windows 10 computer for storage and back up. After not touching it for several hours, NVDA does not work. That is to say, there is no sound output. I know the main sound card through which NVDA voices is working because other sounds I can play with hotkeys do indeed work. I can't really say if it crashes, but if I press the hotkey used to launch it, it seems to reload as if it had crashed and needed to be restarted.

What could cause this and is there a remedy?


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Re: NVDA may Crash with inactivity on older Windows 10 computer

Luke Davis
 

Ron Canazzi wrote:

I use an older Windows 10 computer for storage and back up.
What's older? What does winver say when you run it?

What kind of sound device?
What version of NVDA?
What add-ons are you running?

After not touching it for several hours, NVDA does not work.
Does the same happen with Narrator, if you leave that running for several hours instead?

I know the main sound card through which NVDA voices is working because other sounds I can play with hotkeys do indeed work.
Can you give an example of that?

if I press the hotkey used to launch it, it seems to reload as if it had crashed and needed to be restarted.
Please explain that.
NVDA will always restart when you press its shortcut key, regardless of whether it had been running, crashed, or stopped before.
What, in the way it acts when you press the shortcut key, makes you think it is recovering from a crash? How is it different than pressing the shortcut key while NVDA is working normally?

Luke


Re: NVDA may Crash with inactivity on older Windows 10 computer

Arlene
 

Hi, I too seen this with an older windows ten computer.  My windows ten computer is 3 years old and I’ve seen this crash with Jaws.  Not NVDA. I issued the hot key for NVDA to see if it ran. It did. 

 

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From: Gene
Sent: June 6, 2022 10:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA may Crash with inactivity on older Windows 10 computer

 

I have no such problem and I'm using an old computer. 

You can find out if NVDA is still running or mostly running buy running another screen-reader while not issuing the run command for NVDA.  Then, when another screen-reader is running, issue the command to open the NVDA menu.  If the menu opens then something has crashed in NVDA but the program overall is still running. 

Whatever the case, since issuing the run command either runs NVDA or closes it and runs it again, it is an interesting question what is occurring, but a very minor problem with a very easy work around.

Gene


On 6/7/2022 12:02 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Group,

Has anyone seen something like the following.  I use an older Windows 10 computer for storage and back up. After not touching it for several hours, NVDA does not work. That is to say, there is no sound output. I know the main sound card through which NVDA voices is working because other sounds I can play with hotkeys do indeed work.  I can't really say if it crashes, but if I press the hotkey used to launch it, it seems to reload as if it had crashed and needed to be restarted.

What could cause this and is there a remedy?

 

 


Re: NVDA may Crash with inactivity on older Windows 10 computer

Gene
 

I have no such problem and I'm using an old computer. 

You can find out if NVDA is still running or mostly running buy running another screen-reader while not issuing the run command for NVDA.  Then, when another screen-reader is running, issue the command to open the NVDA menu.  If the menu opens then something has crashed in NVDA but the program overall is still running. 

Whatever the case, since issuing the run command either runs NVDA or closes it and runs it again, it is an interesting question what is occurring, but a very minor problem with a very easy work around.

Gene

On 6/7/2022 12:02 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Group,

Has anyone seen something like the following.  I use an older Windows 10 computer for storage and back up. After not touching it for several hours, NVDA does not work. That is to say, there is no sound output. I know the main sound card through which NVDA voices is working because other sounds I can play with hotkeys do indeed work.  I can't really say if it crashes, but if I press the hotkey used to launch it, it seems to reload as if it had crashed and needed to be restarted.

What could cause this and is there a remedy?




Re: NVDA may Crash with inactivity on older Windows 10 computer

Monte Single
 

Hi Ron,

I'm not sure what yu mean by "older".
I am using an hp desktop with a core i5 sixth gen processor with nvda.
I bought this pc used about 3 years ago.
So it could have been first used in 2015-16.
On a daily basis, I leave it running with nvda set to speechoff; in the morning I press insert plus s to turn the speech back on.
Never had this problem.
Yes, I have had problems trying to switch from nvda to narrator or a jaws demo, but not nvda.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: June 6, 2022 11:02 PM
To: NVDA Official Group <nvda@groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] NVDA may Crash with inactivity on older Windows 10 computer

Hi Group,

Has anyone seen something like the following. I use an older Windows 10 computer for storage and back up. After not touching it for several hours, NVDA does not work. That is to say, there is no sound output. I know the main sound card through which NVDA voices is working because other sounds I can play with hotkeys do indeed work. I can't really say if it crashes, but if I press the hotkey used to launch it, it seems to reload as if it had crashed and needed to be restarted.

What could cause this and is there a remedy?


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NVDA may Crash with inactivity on older Windows 10 computer

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

Has anyone seen something like the following.  I use an older Windows 10 computer for storage and back up. After not touching it for several hours, NVDA does not work. That is to say, there is no sound output. I know the main sound card through which NVDA voices is working because other sounds I can play with hotkeys do indeed work.  I can't really say if it crashes, but if I press the hotkey used to launch it, it seems to reload as if it had crashed and needed to be restarted.

What could cause this and is there a remedy?


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Re: ARIA: status role

Quentin Christensen
 

While I think of it, do you have a link to a public page using this we can test with please?


On Tue, Jun 7, 2022 at 12:39 PM Eilana Benish <benish.ilana@...> wrote:

Hi quentin

Thanks for the link I will keep it…

Try to imagine this situation

a person with disability using a wheelchair comes to a building and he wants to go in to the building using the ramp

Then he finds that the ramp is not good enough for his wheelchair

then the owner of the building calls out to the required people to fix this ramp

then the person with that wheelchair comes again and then again tries to enter the building with no luck

and then again the owner of that building calls to different people to fix the ramp

how many times do you think a person with a disability can tolerate this kind of things

this is very similar to the web accessibility issues

it is OK too test over and over  with screen readers in different browsers and operating systems - - but in my opinion there should be  stable database regarding the compatibility for screen reader users

In some cases it's not that simple to make changes to the code over and over again - this also can be time-consuming and cost sometimes a lot of money


‫בתאריך יום ג׳, 7 ביוני 2022 ב-2:38 מאת ‪Quentin Christensen‬‏ <‪quentin@...‬‏>:‬
I replied in the FB group last night, but just to reiterate here what I said there - check if there is already an issue at https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues and if not, do please create one.

On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 10:43 PM Eilana Benish <benish.ilana@...> wrote:

hello everyone

Does nv-access keeps database regarding the aria-roles compatibility with the latest version off NVDA?

For example it seems that ARIA: status role is not compatible wait the latest version of NVDA in Mozilla Firefox and Google Chrome browsers. it seems that this role is only compatible with voiceover on a Mac computers.

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Re: ARIA: status role

Eilana Benish
 

Hi quentin

Thanks for the link I will keep it…

Try to imagine this situation

a person with disability using a wheelchair comes to a building and he wants to go in to the building using the ramp

Then he finds that the ramp is not good enough for his wheelchair

then the owner of the building calls out to the required people to fix this ramp

then the person with that wheelchair comes again and then again tries to enter the building with no luck

and then again the owner of that building calls to different people to fix the ramp

how many times do you think a person with a disability can tolerate this kind of things

this is very similar to the web accessibility issues

it is OK too test over and over  with screen readers in different browsers and operating systems - - but in my opinion there should be  stable database regarding the compatibility for screen reader users

In some cases it's not that simple to make changes to the code over and over again - this also can be time-consuming and cost sometimes a lot of money


‫בתאריך יום ג׳, 7 ביוני 2022 ב-2:38 מאת ‪Quentin Christensen‬‏ <‪quentin@...‬‏>:‬

I replied in the FB group last night, but just to reiterate here what I said there - check if there is already an issue at https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues and if not, do please create one.

On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 10:43 PM Eilana Benish <benish.ilana@...> wrote:

hello everyone

Does nv-access keeps database regarding the aria-roles compatibility with the latest version off NVDA?

For example it seems that ARIA: status role is not compatible wait the latest version of NVDA in Mozilla Firefox and Google Chrome browsers. it seems that this role is only compatible with voiceover on a Mac computers.

Thanks in advance



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Obsidian

Christopher Bartlett
 

Has anyone had success using obsidian with NVDA?  I made a very quick survey of the program after it was recommended for note-taking and knowledge management, and my first impression is that it's not very friendly.  If anyone uses this successfully, I'd love to hear more.


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Re: ARIA: status role

Quentin Christensen
 

I replied in the FB group last night, but just to reiterate here what I said there - check if there is already an issue at https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues and if not, do please create one.


On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 10:43 PM Eilana Benish <benish.ilana@...> wrote:

hello everyone

Does nv-access keeps database regarding the aria-roles compatibility with the latest version off NVDA?

For example it seems that ARIA: status role is not compatible wait the latest version of NVDA in Mozilla Firefox and Google Chrome browsers. it seems that this role is only compatible with voiceover on a Mac computers.

Thanks in advance



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Training and Support Manager


CloudVision recognition with NVDA

abdul muhamin
 

Hi all, I’ve installed CloudVision addon, but after pressing the corresponding keys ctrl plus NVDA plus I. it says analyzing. But nothing happens after that. Am I missing some settings in the addon? How can I use it properly, please assist me. Thanks.

 

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Re: Web developer issue with NVDA reading the word "us"

Greg Williams
 

Hi,

As has been pointed out elsewhere in this thread, most synthesizers will pronounce "US" as "U S" because that is generally what is intended. Good directions have been given for modifying the speech dictionary for NVDA to get an individual's set up to read it as "us". However, as a web developer, if the idea is to add something to the button on the webpage itself so that synthesizers read "US" as "us" instead of "U S", and if "CONTACT US" is desired for visual aesthetics, then the best option is to add an aria-label to the button definition, like <button ... aria-label="Contact Us" ...>CONTACT US</button>. This will cause screen readers to read the button label as "Contact Us" instead of "CONTACT US".

Greg



On 6/3/2022 1:57 PM, JarrettD wrote:

Hello! I am a web developer who recently started working with NVDA. I am having an issue that the screen reader is reading the button "Contact Us" as "Contact U S" (as if I was referencing the United States). Is there any way to get the reader to read the phrase correctly?

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