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Re: screen curtain and saving battery

 

Screen curtain turns off the actual display part of the screen (as in it does go completely black) but it does NOT turn off the backlighting.  That definitely saves some power, but not as much as could be if the backlighting were turned off, too.

I'm going to ask on another technical forum I haunt whether it's possible to disable/enable the display entirely via batch scripts or PowerShell files that are "short and sweet."
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Re: Mozilla Apps Enhancements Add-On

Gene
 

Maybe the help button isn't available in the newest version.  In the version I am using, compatible with recent versions of NVDA, but I don't think the current version of NVDA, there is a help button.

Gene

On 6/7/2022 10:48 AM, Mary Otten wrote:

This [particular add-on doesn't have that help button, which is what prompted the original question.


Mary


On 6/7/2022 8:23 AM, Gene wrote:
Also, if you open tools, in the NVDA menu, open Manage Add-ons, then down arrow to the add-on you want to know about, you can then tab to an add-on help button.  Press the space bar on the button and your default browser will open with the same or pretty much the same information as is on the web page for the add-on, describing its use.

I don't know if all add-ons have a help button but most of them do. 
Gene

On 6/7/2022 10:19 AM, Gene wrote:
This page, from which you can download the add-on, contains an explanation of what you can do with it.
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/mozillaScripts.en.html

If you have questions or problems, ask.

Gene
   
On 6/7/2022 9:57 AM, Abbie Taylor wrote:
Could someone please refresh my memory as to the keystrokes for navigating to various fields in an open message in Thunderbird that are possible with the Mozilla Apps Enhancements add-on. I looked in the add-on manager and am not seeing any help documentation for this add-on like I've seen with other add-ons. Thanks.






Re: screen curtain and saving battery

Gene
 

Where did the sighted person look at the screen?  Was it dark in the room or was there light from other sources?  Others may comment but I would think that if you set the brightness as low as you can, little or very little battery power would be used by the small amount of light shown. 

Gene

On 6/7/2022 10:26 AM, Kareen wrote:

Zahra my old laptop was with a 4th generation CPU but i think until
now many laptop brands still include a keyboard shortcut to turn off
the screen but unfortunately my Dell is not having this keyboard
shortcut.
Gene i think that depends on the brightness level you are allowed to
reach on the laptop. I set the brightness to 0% but according to
sighted help the screen is still viewable. I don't have any experience
about this but i remember someone had posted a way to add a keyboard
shortcut to NVDA to turn off the touch pad and it is working perfectly
well on my device that is also lacking a shortcut to enable this
option I hope that there is a possibility to do that to the display as
well.
and back to my original question: how does screen curtain in NVDA work?
thank you

On 6/7/22, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Whether you can turn off the screen or not, you can dim the screen to a
point where, I would think, little power would be used and the screen
being on would have a negligible effect on running time per charge.

Gene
On 6/7/22, Kareen <kareen.kiwan@...> wrote:
Hi all. In my previous laptops there was the option to turn off the
display
by pressing a key combination. But, with my new laptop which is from the
Dell brand this option is not available unfortunately. I want to know
about
the screen curtain feature in NVDA does enabling it saves battery or it
is
only meant  for privacy purposes? also, does anyone knows of a way to
have
the screen really turned off, i mean to have an option similar to what
is
present in many laptops
I am interested in turning off the display to make the battery last
longer.
Thank you







        












Re: Mozilla Apps Enhancements Add-On

Mary Otten
 

This [particular add-on doesn't have that help button, which is what prompted the original question.


Mary


On 6/7/2022 8:23 AM, Gene wrote:

Also, if you open tools, in the NVDA menu, open Manage Add-ons, then down arrow to the add-on you want to know about, you can then tab to an add-on help button.  Press the space bar on the button and your default browser will open with the same or pretty much the same information as is on the web page for the add-on, describing its use.

I don't know if all add-ons have a help button but most of them do. 
Gene

On 6/7/2022 10:19 AM, Gene wrote:
This page, from which you can download the add-on, contains an explanation of what you can do with it.
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/mozillaScripts.en.html

If you have questions or problems, ask.

Gene
   
On 6/7/2022 9:57 AM, Abbie Taylor wrote:
Could someone please refresh my memory as to the keystrokes for navigating to various fields in an open message in Thunderbird that are possible with the Mozilla Apps Enhancements add-on. I looked in the add-on manager and am not seeing any help documentation for this add-on like I've seen with other add-ons. Thanks.





Re: screen curtain and saving battery

Kareen
 

Zahra my old laptop was with a 4th generation CPU but i think until
now many laptop brands still include a keyboard shortcut to turn off
the screen but unfortunately my Dell is not having this keyboard
shortcut.
Gene i think that depends on the brightness level you are allowed to
reach on the laptop. I set the brightness to 0% but according to
sighted help the screen is still viewable. I don't have any experience
about this but i remember someone had posted a way to add a keyboard
shortcut to NVDA to turn off the touch pad and it is working perfectly
well on my device that is also lacking a shortcut to enable this
option I hope that there is a possibility to do that to the display as
well.
and back to my original question: how does screen curtain in NVDA work?
thank you

On 6/7/22, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Whether you can turn off the screen or not, you can dim the screen to a
point where, I would think, little power would be used and the screen
being on would have a negligible effect on running time per charge.

Gene
On 6/7/22, Kareen <kareen.kiwan@...> wrote:
Hi all. In my previous laptops there was the option to turn off the
display
by pressing a key combination. But, with my new laptop which is from the
Dell brand this option is not available unfortunately. I want to know
about
the screen curtain feature in NVDA does enabling it saves battery or it
is
only meant  for privacy purposes? also, does anyone knows of a way to
have
the screen really turned off, i mean to have an option similar to what
is
present in many laptops
I am interested in turning off the display to make the battery last
longer.
Thank you











Re: Whatsapp Desktop with NVDA unable to navigate chat list with arrow up and down keys

Luciano de Souza
 

As the down arrow activates automatically the next chat, when I'm on the chat list, I use the object navigation, NVDA+4 to return, NVDA+6 to advance.


Em 03/06/2022 17:53, Mobeen Iqbal escreveu:

Hi.

I've had the same issue for some months now despite installing the latest updates to the add-on and whatsapp. The only way around it for now it seems is to switch between chats with control tab and control shift tab. When you press control shift tab and you can't cycle back any more, that's the latest chat.

Very best wishes,

Mo.


On 03/06/2022 10:52, Ahmad Ismat wrote:

Hi,

 

It has ben 3 days since I face problem  when navigating the chat list in Whatsapp Desktop version on Windows 10. Previously one is able to move from one chat list to another using the arrow down or arrow up keys.  Unfortunately now when in the chat list pressing the arrow down or arrow up will go straight to the chat contents and there is no way you can navigate from one chat to another chat anymore !!

It is really frustrating ..anyone face the same problem ?

Is there a fix to this problem ? anyone kind to respond..thanks in advance..

 

My software version used are as follows:

  1. Windows 10 version  21H2
  2. WhatsApp Desktop Version 2.2218.8
  3. NVDA version  2022.1
  4. Whatsapp NVDA add on version  used  Version: 2.2212.8; Author: Gerardo Kessler <ReaperYOtrasYerbas@... 

 

Best Wishes,

Ahmad Ismat

Malaysia

 

 


Re: Mozilla Apps Enhancements Add-On

Gene
 

Also, if you open tools, in the NVDA menu, open Manage Add-ons, then down arrow to the add-on you want to know about, you can then tab to an add-on help button.  Press the space bar on the button and your default browser will open with the same or pretty much the same information as is on the web page for the add-on, describing its use.

I don't know if all add-ons have a help button but most of them do. 
Gene

On 6/7/2022 10:19 AM, Gene wrote:

This page, from which you can download the add-on, contains an explanation of what you can do with it.
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/mozillaScripts.en.html

If you have questions or problems, ask.

Gene
   
On 6/7/2022 9:57 AM, Abbie Taylor wrote:
Could someone please refresh my memory as to the keystrokes for navigating to various fields in an open message in Thunderbird that are possible with the Mozilla Apps Enhancements add-on. I looked in the add-on manager and am not seeing any help documentation for this add-on like I've seen with other add-ons. Thanks.





Re: Mozilla Apps Enhancements Add-On

Gene
 

This page, from which you can download the add-on, contains an explanation of what you can do with it.
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/mozillaScripts.en.html

If you have questions or problems, ask.

Gene
   
On 6/7/2022 9:57 AM, Abbie Taylor wrote:

Could someone please refresh my memory as to the keystrokes for navigating to various fields in an open message in Thunderbird that are possible with the Mozilla Apps Enhancements add-on. I looked in the add-on manager and am not seeing any help documentation for this add-on like I've seen with other add-ons. Thanks.




Mozilla Apps Enhancements Add-On

Abbie Taylor
 

Could someone please refresh my memory as to the keystrokes for navigating to various fields in an open message in Thunderbird that are possible with the Mozilla Apps Enhancements add-on. I looked in the add-on manager and am not seeing any help documentation for this add-on like I've seen with other add-ons. Thanks.


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Re: screen curtain and saving battery

Gene
 

Whether you can turn off the screen or not, you can dim the screen to a point where, I would think, little power would be used and the screen being on would have a negligible effect on running time per charge.

Gene
On 6/7/22, Kareen <kareen.kiwan@...> wrote:

Hi all. In my previous laptops there was the option to turn off the display
by pressing a key combination. But, with my new laptop which is from the
Dell brand this option is not available unfortunately. I want to know about
the screen curtain feature in NVDA does enabling it saves battery or it is
only meant  for privacy purposes? also, does anyone knows of a way to have
the screen really turned off, i mean to have an option similar to what is
present in many laptops
I am interested in turning off the display to make the battery last longer.
Thank you









Re: The Gmail website with NVDA

 

hi.
thanks so much for your reporting this matter.
i thought that i am the only person who has this issue.
i wish to set basic html view forever.
i dont know why it is not working anymore.

On 6/5/22, Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...> wrote:
Hi all,
Well, I've been meaning to get off this list for a couple weeks now,
but new questions just keep popping up. This one has to do with the
GMail website and NVFDA. Since last September, whenever I log into my
GMail account, it loads standard view, despite me having had it set to
load basic HTML by default before then, and it changing on its own. I
was telling a friend about how I was considering moving to using Gmail
with Outlook, and she was telling me that she was able to switch back
to having basic HTML as her default view. This is the same friend who
I was mentioning last week with Zoom, so her primary screen reader is
JAWS. I think she said she uses Chrome as her default browser, and I
use Firefox. We were talking about this on Zoom just now, and she told
me that there was a button at the top of the page that says "basic
HTML." As my laptop is a touchscreen, I was able to swipe to the left
and find that button, but when I double tap on it, NVDA simply says
"activate," but does nothing, and I can't seem to get to it using the
normal keyboard commands. How do I access this?
Thanks,
Bob





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Re: screen curtain and saving battery

 

hi. what is your previous laptop cpu generation?
if i am correct, the laptops which support vga displays, we can turn
off the screen.

On 6/7/22, Kareen <kareen.kiwan@...> wrote:
Hi all. In my previous laptops there was the option to turn off the display
by pressing a key combination. But, with my new laptop which is from the
Dell brand this option is not available unfortunately. I want to know about
the screen curtain feature in NVDA does enabling it saves battery or it is
only meant  for privacy purposes? also, does anyone knows of a way to have
the screen really turned off, i mean to have an option similar to what is
present in many laptops
I am interested in turning off the display to make the battery last longer.
Thank you





--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: NVDA may Crash with inactivity on older Windows 10 computer

Gene
 

I see no meaningful benefit to doing any of that.  If the computer still works well as it is, you might get more life from it by replacing the hard drive but then again, the hard drive might last for years longer. 

Gene

On 6/7/2022 8:59 AM, Chris Smart wrote:

That is pretty old.

I wonder if it would benefit from a completely clean install of windows and your other applications?
That, and replacing the spinning drive with a solid state one if it still has a conventional hard drive might get a couple more years out of it.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: June 7, 2022 9:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA may Crash with inactivity on older Windows 10 computer

Hi Group,

OK, I should have mentioned this in my original post. The computer is an 
8 year old AMD clone with 16 GB RAM and a 6 core processor.


On 6/7/2022 2:59 AM, Luke Davis wrote:
Ron Canazzi wrote:

I use an older Windows 10 computer for storage and back up.
What's older?  What does winver say when you run it?

What kind of sound device?
What version of NVDA?
What add-ons are you running?

After not touching it for several hours, NVDA does not work.
Does the same happen with Narrator, if you leave that running for 
several hours instead?

I know the main sound card through which NVDA voices is working 
because other sounds I can play with hotkeys do indeed work.
Can you give an example of that?

if I press the hotkey used to launch it, it seems to reload as if it 
had crashed and needed to be restarted.
Please explain that.
NVDA will always restart when you press its shortcut key, regardless 
of whether it had been running, crashed, or stopped before.
What, in the way it acts when you press the shortcut key, makes you 
think it is recovering from a crash? How is it different than pressing 
the shortcut key while NVDA is working normally?

Luke






    


Re: NVDA may Crash with inactivity on older Windows 10 computer

Chris Smart
 

That is pretty old.

I wonder if it would benefit from a completely clean install of windows and your other applications?
That, and replacing the spinning drive with a solid state one if it still has a conventional hard drive might get a couple more years out of it.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: June 7, 2022 9:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA may Crash with inactivity on older Windows 10 computer

Hi Group,

OK, I should have mentioned this in my original post. The computer is an
8 year old AMD clone with 16 GB RAM and a 6 core processor.


On 6/7/2022 2:59 AM, Luke Davis wrote:
Ron Canazzi wrote:

I use an older Windows 10 computer for storage and back up.
What's older? What does winver say when you run it?

What kind of sound device?
What version of NVDA?
What add-ons are you running?

After not touching it for several hours, NVDA does not work.
Does the same happen with Narrator, if you leave that running for
several hours instead?

I know the main sound card through which NVDA voices is working
because other sounds I can play with hotkeys do indeed work.
Can you give an example of that?

if I press the hotkey used to launch it, it seems to reload as if it
had crashed and needed to be restarted.
Please explain that.
NVDA will always restart when you press its shortcut key, regardless
of whether it had been running, crashed, or stopped before.
What, in the way it acts when you press the shortcut key, makes you
think it is recovering from a crash? How is it different than pressing
the shortcut key while NVDA is working normally?

Luke




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Re: NVDA may Crash with inactivity on older Windows 10 computer

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

OK, I should have mentioned this in my original post. The computer is an 8 year old AMD clone with 16 GB RAM and a 6 core processor.

On 6/7/2022 2:59 AM, Luke Davis wrote:
Ron Canazzi wrote:

I use an older Windows 10 computer for storage and back up.
What's older?  What does winver say when you run it?

What kind of sound device?
What version of NVDA?
What add-ons are you running?

After not touching it for several hours, NVDA does not work.
Does the same happen with Narrator, if you leave that running for several hours instead?

I know the main sound card through which NVDA voices is working because other sounds I can play with hotkeys do indeed work.
Can you give an example of that?

if I press the hotkey used to launch it, it seems to reload as if it had crashed and needed to be restarted.
Please explain that.
NVDA will always restart when you press its shortcut key, regardless of whether it had been running, crashed, or stopped before.
What, in the way it acts when you press the shortcut key, makes you think it is recovering from a crash? How is it different than pressing the shortcut key while NVDA is working normally?

Luke



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Re: Obsidian

Devin Prater
 

I wish, but no. A lot of those note taking apps aren't very accessible. I've tried Logseq too.
Devin Prater




On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 9:01 PM Christopher Bartlett <themusicalbrewer@...> wrote:
Has anyone had success using obsidian with NVDA?  I made a very quick survey of the program after it was recommended for note-taking and knowledge management, and my first impression is that it's not very friendly.  If anyone uses this successfully, I'd love to hear more.


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screen curtain and saving battery

Kareen
 

Hi all. In my previous laptops there was the option to turn off the display by pressing a key combination. But, with my new laptop which is from the Dell brand this option is not available unfortunately. I want to know about the screen curtain feature in NVDA does enabling it saves battery or it is only meant  for privacy purposes? also, does anyone knows of a way to have the screen really turned off, i mean to have an option similar to what is present in many laptops
I am interested in turning off the display to make the battery last longer.
Thank you


NVDA Crashing when using VLC Media Player

Deenadayalan Moodley
 

Hi all,

 

As the subject indicates, NVDA crashes when opening a media file in VLC portable.

 

Steps to reproduce:

  1. Launch VLC;
  2. Press <ctrl+o> to bring up the open files dialog;
  3. NVDA crashes;
  4. Bringing up narrator works without any issue.
  5. Press <ctrl+alt+n> launches NVDA once more.
  6. If you place focus back into the open dialog, NVDA crashes once more.

 

I have run Narrator and it has no problems.

 

Expected results:

  1. NVDA should read the open dialog without any crashing.

 

Versions:

VLC Portable  3.0.17.4 Vetinari

NVDA 2022.1

Windows Version 21H2 (OS Build 19044.1706)

 

Thanks.

Mr. Deenadayalan Moodley


Re: Add-on suggestion - tone control/EQ for audio output

Chris Smart
 

This would need to be simple, for the non-audio folks. So, how about a simple Baxandall??

That’s nothing more than the bass and treble controls found on millions of car and home hi-fi stereos.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kara Goldfinch
Sent: June 7, 2022 5:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Add-on suggestion - tone control/EQ for audio output

 

Hi.

I'm not a developer so I'm throwing this idea out there in case anyone fancies making it.

I think it'd be awesome to have a tone control or an EQ for NVDA's audio output. An example of why this would be useful would be if you have your computer connected to a decent pair of speakers or a hi-fi and the TTS engine you're using has way too much bass. With this add-on you could easily fix this by removing the low frequencies, and because it would be  NVDA specific, your music or whatever you're listening to wouldn't be effected. I personally get around this problem by using 2 sound cards, but that isn't always an option particularly over headphones.

It could also work the other way by carving out the high frequencies if you have a speech synth that's too sibilant.

I could see this working in 2 ways. Either as a tone control, So 50% would be neutral, with values higher than that affecting the low frequencies and lower values the high frequencies. Or you could have a graphic EQ so you could boost or cut specific bands to taste like on a hi-fi. You could even offer both and allow the user to switch between each mode.

I'm pretty sure there's open source filters and EQs you could incorporate into the add-on so you wouldn't have to make everything from scratch. It wouldn't even have to be the best thing out there, just something good enough for the job.

Obviously it should not introduce any latency.

Feel free to forward this to the add-ons list.

I said at the top it could be an add-on but having it as standard would be even better.

I'm interested to see what you all think.

 

All the best,

Kara


Re: Add-on suggestion - tone control/EQ for audio output

Gene
 

You would need separate adjustments for base and treble.  Having higher values affecting bass and lower values the treble in the same control might be confusing and would limit options.  What if you want to control both? 

Gene
On 6/7/2022 4:42 AM, Kara Goldfinch wrote:

Hi.

I'm not a developer so I'm throwing this idea out there in case anyone fancies making it.

I think it'd be awesome to have a tone control or an EQ for NVDA's audio output. An example of why this would be useful would be if you have your computer connected to a decent pair of speakers or a hi-fi and the TTS engine you're using has way too much bass. With this add-on you could easily fix this by removing the low frequencies, and because it would be  NVDA specific, your music or whatever you're listening to wouldn't be effected. I personally get around this problem by using 2 sound cards, but that isn't always an option particularly over headphones.

It could also work the other way by carving out the high frequencies if you have a speech synth that's too sibilant.

I could see this working in 2 ways. Either as a tone control, So 50% would be neutral, with values higher than that affecting the low frequencies and lower values the high frequencies. Or you could have a graphic EQ so you could boost or cut specific bands to taste like on a hi-fi. You could even offer both and allow the user to switch between each mode.

I'm pretty sure there's open source filters and EQs you could incorporate into the add-on so you wouldn't have to make everything from scratch. It wouldn't even have to be the best thing out there, just something good enough for the job.

Obviously it should not introduce any latency.

Feel free to forward this to the add-ons list.

I said at the top it could be an add-on but having it as standard would be even better.

I'm interested to see what you all think.


All the best,

Kara


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