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Re: visited links

 
Edited

Hello all,

A bit late (came across this thread while browsing the archive from an airport), but figured it might be best to give you an answer before I switch to airplane mode:

Actual answer: visited links announcement has nothing to do with speech synthesizers, speech dictionaries, nor with web navigation changes. The overall suggestion of changing the way NVDA announces visited links cannot be done unless you are willing to write code and send pull requests to NV Access. Here's why:

There is a collection of modules inside NVDA called "control types" that manages how NVDA announces control roles and states. One of the information NVDA looks for when encountering controls across apps (this also includes web content) is control state. When NVDA encounters a control such as a link, NVDA will retrieve information such as its name/label, role, state, and other information (state can include "read-only", "editable", among others). For a link, unless you silence it from document formatting settings panel, NVDA will announce the link name and the role of "link". But as you read this thread, we are talking about something else that's announced too: visited link. The word "visited" is not sent to the speech synthesizer directly, nor can be edited in speech dictionaries; this "visited" text comes from NVDA control states collection because "visited" is a control state.

Putting it all together, when you are asking for a way to silence the word "visited" when announcing links, you are asking NVDA to ignore a control state.

Now I'm asked to board the airplane, so the big takeaway is this: there are things you can and cannot change due to the way NVDA needs to (or asked to) give you information you need sometimes. If you are curious and have access to NVDA screen reader source code, please contact me in July so we can discuss this further.

Have a safe and healthy week.

Cheers,

Joseph


locked Re: want to read short lines, not full paragraphs

 

Hello everyone,

While waiting to board a flight to another vacation destination, I'm checking in to provide what I hope would be clarifications on some points raised on this thread (yes, vacation is going well), partly because I use both Windows 10 and 11, partly since I tested Notepad 11 from preview days (last year), and partly due to a reason I will announce in July.

Frequently asked questions (and not so frequently asked; note that when I say "Notepad 11", I refer to Windows 11 Notepad):

Q. Is Notepad on Windows 11 different than that of Windows 10?

Yes, they are different. The article Gene cited does provide a glimpse into some differences. As Brian pointed out, Notepad 11 has seen changes since then, and is still undergoing changes as I write this post from an "airport". I won't comment on more recent changes until July at the earliest.

Q. How exactly is Notepad in Windows 11 different than that of Windows 10?

Most importantly, there has been visual changes in Notepad 11 to align with Windows 11. Format menu no longer exists in Windows 11 Notepad, with word wrap item merged into View menu.

Q. Why does NVDA announce more text when I arrow through in Notepad 11?

Without going into details and to minimize my NVDA talk in June, this has to do with the way Notepad informs NVDA about text. You can somewhat resolve this if you turn on word wrap. Discussing how NVDA can announce text as you arrow through it means I may need to visit a thread I came across while sitting on the airport terminal (topic: why NVDA cannot let you mute "visited" text in links; will talk about why later).

Q. Is the new Notepad available for everyone using Windows 11?

Yes since February 2022.

Q. Someone said soemthing about "search with Bing". What is it?

Introduced in Windows 10 Version 1809 (October 2018 Update) version of Notepad, selecting text and then pressing Control+B from Notepad will let Windows search Bing for the selected text. This feature isn't available in Windows 11 Notepad.

Q. When I perform read status bar command from Windows 11 Notepad, NVDA does not read status bar info as it used to despite status bar being checked from View menu.

Please remind me in July to talk about it (hint: coming soon to an NVDA installation near you; in fact, some of you are already using it).

Q. Where can I learn more about Windows 11 Notepad?

The best place to find out is Windows Blogs, reputable sites such as Windows Central and ZDNet, and on WinAccess forum and others.

Have a safe and healthy week.

Cheers,

Joseph


locked Re: want to read short lines, not full paragraphs

Sarah k Alawami
 

Actually all I see in my copy of notepad is zoom, which is a submenu and status  line. No word rap.  I do see it in format however which is where I remember seeing it a while ago.  and no I didn’t change anything, I hardly touch notepad as for me I’d rather use winword or jarte or even word pad.

Windows 10 21H2 (x64) build 19044.1706

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2022 9:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] want to read short lines, not full paragraphs

 

On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 12:49 PM, Gene wrote:

Penny saw word wrap in the view menu.

-
Which is where it's been for YEARS, Gene.  That's my point.  Windows 10 has been around since 2015 and I'll bet if I were to fire up my Windows 7 laptop that couldn't be upgraded it will be in the View menu there.

There is simply NO SUBSTANTIAL DIFFERENCE in Notepad, as shipped from Microsoft, in Windows 10 and Windows 11.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill


Re: Need help with Thunderbird and Mozilla Apps Enhancements

Gene
 

Try turning browse mode off and tabbing to the links you want to open.  There may be a problem where browse mode isn't lining up with the underlying page.

Gene

On 6/13/2022 12:32 PM, Shawn via groups.io wrote:

There is one type of email it doesn't seem to work well with, and that's the notifications from Twitter with your daily digest and telling you so-and-so tweeted something. When I open those with bird I get some gobble deegook that starts with IMap and includes my email user name. If you right click it you can open the message in another window. If you play with it enough you can get the right click menu to give you the option to open the link, but only once did it open the correct link from the message I wanted, the second time it just opened my home page on Twitter. So far the Twitter emails are the only ones I've had trouble with.

Shawn Klein

On 6/13/2022 1:58 AM, Gene wrote:
Yes. 

Gene

On 6/13/2022 1:55 AM, Keao Wright wrote:

ah ok, thanks Gene!

Does nvda work with HTML emails ok?

On 6/12/2022 8:52 PM, Gene wrote:
No, just reply.  That is determined by how the list is set up.  Most lists don't require using reply to all.

Gene

On 6/13/2022 1:51 AM, Keao Wright wrote:

Lets see, at the time when I replied back I was using outlook.

Do you use reply to all when you send a message back to the list?

On 6/12/2022 8:48 PM, Gene wrote:
Since others see your name, whatever the cause, you don't need to worry.  I see this:
Keao Wright nvda@nvda.groups.io

On 6/13/2022 1:39 AM, Keao Wright wrote:

It only said my email address, not my name.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2022 7:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need help with Thunderbird and Mozilla Apps Enhancements

 

Does it say both your name and e-mail address?  What about when you get mail from others?

Gene
Gene

On 6/12/2022 11:36 PM, Keao Wright wrote:

Ah interesting.

Is there a way to not make it say the email address when I sent out a test message to myself?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2022 6:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need help with Thunderbird and Mozilla Apps Enhancements

 

Perhaps it is checked by default.  I never had to change the setting.

Gene

On 6/12/2022 8:25 PM, Keao Wright wrote:

Hello Gean and all.

I got it fixed!

Turns out I had the thread view unchecked.

Now the add on can see the columns.

 

On 6/12/2022 3:22 PM, Gene wrote:

That's right.  I was thinking about the other add-on, which is a Mozilla add-on.  It allows first letter navigation in the folders tree view and it is included in the copy of the program I sent.

You could try uninstalling and installing Thunderbird again and the NVDA add-on, but just using the portable version would, I think, be a better solution.

Gene

On 6/12/2022 7:44 PM, Shawn via groups.io wrote:

Thanks Gene. You mention an addon that's included with the portable Thunderbird, which app is that? Mozilla Apps enhancements is an NVDA addon, not a Thunderbird addon, so not sure if that's the one you're talking about. My friend is on the list and watching this thread, so we'll see if she has any luck with it.

Shawn Klein

On 6/12/2022 5:46 PM, Gene wrote:

Here is the correct link.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/mwy1mhpg418d0a6/Thunderbird%20Portable%20customized%20for%20use%20by%20others.zip?dl=1

Gene

On 6/12/2022 5:22 PM, Gene via groups.io wrote:

I sent the wrong link.  I'll send the properly modified version to Dropbox and send the correct link later today.

Gene

On 6/12/2022 4:46 PM, Gene wrote:

Since I don't know what is causing the problem, there are two things I will suggest, though I don't know if either will help.  I am confident my second suggestion will and I don't know about the first, but I consider the first to be an inferior choice.  You might consider running the portable version for the reasons I give below, as well.

Uninstalling and reinstalling the program is one and the other is trying Thunderbird portable. 

There are one or two minor or very minor things you can't do with the portable version but in general, it does everything the installed version does.  In addition, if the program ever becomes corrupted, you can have a back up copy and just delete the one you are using, then copy the backup to the location where you keep the one you use.

And you can use the program from an external drive or copy it to any computer you wish and use it.

Here is a link to download an old version of the program with the add-on already installed and the from line already displaying at the top.  The program will automatically update after it has been placed on the machine but even if the add-on doesn't work, the program may need nothing changed.  I expect the add-on to work, however, since it did in this copy on my machine.
Its a portable program so unzip the files wherever you want and, when in the folder, type t to get to Thunderbird.exe.  Press enter to run the program.  You can also send a shortcut to Thunderbird.exe to the desktop and create a short cut command to run it that way if you wish.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/esnytwkxvq2grz0/ThunderbirdPortable.zip?dl=1

Gene

On 6/12/2022 4:00 PM, Shawn via groups.io wrote:

Hi, I just installed Thunderbird yesterday, got the afore-mentioned addon, and had no problems moving columns opening the dialogue with NVDA+H, though I got the no column headers found error once until I made sure I was in the message list. Today a friend decided to get Thunderbird as well, just installed the addon, and gets the message column headers not found. I remoted in and tried matching some of her view menu settings to mine, but still can't get the column headers dialogue on her machine. Being in the message list or even in a specific message doesn't help. Rebooting NVDA and Thunderbird didn't help. We're both using the latest Thunderbird and NVDA with Windows 10. Any settings she needs to change to get this to work? She wants to move correspondents to the top of the list just like I did. Thanks.

Shawn Klein




 

 

 

 

 

 






Re: Need help with Thunderbird and Mozilla Apps Enhancements

Shawn
 

There is one type of email it doesn't seem to work well with, and that's the notifications from Twitter with your daily digest and telling you so-and-so tweeted something. When I open those with bird I get some gobble deegook that starts with IMap and includes my email user name. If you right click it you can open the message in another window. If you play with it enough you can get the right click menu to give you the option to open the link, but only once did it open the correct link from the message I wanted, the second time it just opened my home page on Twitter. So far the Twitter emails are the only ones I've had trouble with.

Shawn Klein

On 6/13/2022 1:58 AM, Gene wrote:

Yes. 

Gene

On 6/13/2022 1:55 AM, Keao Wright wrote:

ah ok, thanks Gene!

Does nvda work with HTML emails ok?

On 6/12/2022 8:52 PM, Gene wrote:
No, just reply.  That is determined by how the list is set up.  Most lists don't require using reply to all.

Gene

On 6/13/2022 1:51 AM, Keao Wright wrote:

Lets see, at the time when I replied back I was using outlook.

Do you use reply to all when you send a message back to the list?

On 6/12/2022 8:48 PM, Gene wrote:
Since others see your name, whatever the cause, you don't need to worry.  I see this:
Keao Wright nvda@nvda.groups.io

On 6/13/2022 1:39 AM, Keao Wright wrote:

It only said my email address, not my name.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2022 7:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need help with Thunderbird and Mozilla Apps Enhancements

 

Does it say both your name and e-mail address?  What about when you get mail from others?

Gene
Gene

On 6/12/2022 11:36 PM, Keao Wright wrote:

Ah interesting.

Is there a way to not make it say the email address when I sent out a test message to myself?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2022 6:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need help with Thunderbird and Mozilla Apps Enhancements

 

Perhaps it is checked by default.  I never had to change the setting.

Gene

On 6/12/2022 8:25 PM, Keao Wright wrote:

Hello Gean and all.

I got it fixed!

Turns out I had the thread view unchecked.

Now the add on can see the columns.

 

On 6/12/2022 3:22 PM, Gene wrote:

That's right.  I was thinking about the other add-on, which is a Mozilla add-on.  It allows first letter navigation in the folders tree view and it is included in the copy of the program I sent.

You could try uninstalling and installing Thunderbird again and the NVDA add-on, but just using the portable version would, I think, be a better solution.

Gene

On 6/12/2022 7:44 PM, Shawn via groups.io wrote:

Thanks Gene. You mention an addon that's included with the portable Thunderbird, which app is that? Mozilla Apps enhancements is an NVDA addon, not a Thunderbird addon, so not sure if that's the one you're talking about. My friend is on the list and watching this thread, so we'll see if she has any luck with it.

Shawn Klein

On 6/12/2022 5:46 PM, Gene wrote:

Here is the correct link.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/mwy1mhpg418d0a6/Thunderbird%20Portable%20customized%20for%20use%20by%20others.zip?dl=1

Gene

On 6/12/2022 5:22 PM, Gene via groups.io wrote:

I sent the wrong link.  I'll send the properly modified version to Dropbox and send the correct link later today.

Gene

On 6/12/2022 4:46 PM, Gene wrote:

Since I don't know what is causing the problem, there are two things I will suggest, though I don't know if either will help.  I am confident my second suggestion will and I don't know about the first, but I consider the first to be an inferior choice.  You might consider running the portable version for the reasons I give below, as well.

Uninstalling and reinstalling the program is one and the other is trying Thunderbird portable. 

There are one or two minor or very minor things you can't do with the portable version but in general, it does everything the installed version does.  In addition, if the program ever becomes corrupted, you can have a back up copy and just delete the one you are using, then copy the backup to the location where you keep the one you use.

And you can use the program from an external drive or copy it to any computer you wish and use it.

Here is a link to download an old version of the program with the add-on already installed and the from line already displaying at the top.  The program will automatically update after it has been placed on the machine but even if the add-on doesn't work, the program may need nothing changed.  I expect the add-on to work, however, since it did in this copy on my machine.
Its a portable program so unzip the files wherever you want and, when in the folder, type t to get to Thunderbird.exe.  Press enter to run the program.  You can also send a shortcut to Thunderbird.exe to the desktop and create a short cut command to run it that way if you wish.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/esnytwkxvq2grz0/ThunderbirdPortable.zip?dl=1

Gene

On 6/12/2022 4:00 PM, Shawn via groups.io wrote:

Hi, I just installed Thunderbird yesterday, got the afore-mentioned addon, and had no problems moving columns opening the dialogue with NVDA+H, though I got the no column headers found error once until I made sure I was in the message list. Today a friend decided to get Thunderbird as well, just installed the addon, and gets the message column headers not found. I remoted in and tried matching some of her view menu settings to mine, but still can't get the column headers dialogue on her machine. Being in the message list or even in a specific message doesn't help. Rebooting NVDA and Thunderbird didn't help. We're both using the latest Thunderbird and NVDA with Windows 10. Any settings she needs to change to get this to work? She wants to move correspondents to the top of the list just like I did. Thanks.

Shawn Klein




 

 

 

 

 

 





Re: Need help with Thunderbird and Mozilla Apps Enhancements

Shawn
 

Argh. I guess I'll remember that for next time. I didn't know if automatic would work, and when I googled how to set up Thunderbird with Yahoo I found  tutorials that said you need to do it manually. Then OAuth2 wasn't in the list of security options when setting up my account, so I had to force create the account with normal password selected and then fix that after the fact in the settings, but I had to unplug my router first so it wouldn't try to connect. When you get the error message, NVDA loses focus from Thunderbird and there's no way to get it back. Thanks for helping Keao out Gene, and for your good suggestions.

Shawn Klein

On 6/13/2022 2:29 AM, Gene wrote:

If the automatic works properly, you don't have to know anhy information such as port settings.  If you are still having performance problems such as the slow mail downloads, you could either check the information on the web site or try the automatic feature.  I use automatic unless it doesn't work properly and, as I said, it usually does.

Gene

On 6/13/2022 2:12 AM, Keao Wright wrote:

I used it manually, but I guess I could try the automatic.

On 6/12/2022 9:04 PM, Gene wrote:
Do you use the automatic setting up of accounts in Thunderbird?  I do and it usually works well. 

Gene

On 6/13/2022 2:02 AM, Keao Wright wrote:

Ok, sounds good!

Thanks for the suggestions!

I think I must have had the desktop coppy running on the wrong port that's why I thought itw as slow on getting emails.

On 6/12/2022 8:58 PM, Gene wrote:
Yes. 

Gene

On 6/13/2022 1:55 AM, Keao Wright wrote:

ah ok, thanks Gene!

Does nvda work with HTML emails ok?

On 6/12/2022 8:52 PM, Gene wrote:
No, just reply.  That is determined by how the list is set up.  Most lists don't require using reply to all.

Gene

On 6/13/2022 1:51 AM, Keao Wright wrote:

Lets see, at the time when I replied back I was using outlook.

Do you use reply to all when you send a message back to the list?

On 6/12/2022 8:48 PM, Gene wrote:
Since others see your name, whatever the cause, you don't need to worry.  I see this:
Keao Wright nvda@nvda.groups.io

On 6/13/2022 1:39 AM, Keao Wright wrote:

It only said my email address, not my name.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2022 7:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need help with Thunderbird and Mozilla Apps Enhancements

 

Does it say both your name and e-mail address?  What about when you get mail from others?

Gene
Gene

On 6/12/2022 11:36 PM, Keao Wright wrote:

Ah interesting.

Is there a way to not make it say the email address when I sent out a test message to myself?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2022 6:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need help with Thunderbird and Mozilla Apps Enhancements

 

Perhaps it is checked by default.  I never had to change the setting.

Gene

On 6/12/2022 8:25 PM, Keao Wright wrote:

Hello Gean and all.

I got it fixed!

Turns out I had the thread view unchecked.

Now the add on can see the columns.

 

On 6/12/2022 3:22 PM, Gene wrote:

That's right.  I was thinking about the other add-on, which is a Mozilla add-on.  It allows first letter navigation in the folders tree view and it is included in the copy of the program I sent.

You could try uninstalling and installing Thunderbird again and the NVDA add-on, but just using the portable version would, I think, be a better solution.

Gene

On 6/12/2022 7:44 PM, Shawn via groups.io wrote:

Thanks Gene. You mention an addon that's included with the portable Thunderbird, which app is that? Mozilla Apps enhancements is an NVDA addon, not a Thunderbird addon, so not sure if that's the one you're talking about. My friend is on the list and watching this thread, so we'll see if she has any luck with it.

Shawn Klein

On 6/12/2022 5:46 PM, Gene wrote:

Here is the correct link.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/mwy1mhpg418d0a6/Thunderbird%20Portable%20customized%20for%20use%20by%20others.zip?dl=1

Gene

On 6/12/2022 5:22 PM, Gene via groups.io wrote:

I sent the wrong link.  I'll send the properly modified version to Dropbox and send the correct link later today.

Gene

On 6/12/2022 4:46 PM, Gene wrote:

Since I don't know what is causing the problem, there are two things I will suggest, though I don't know if either will help.  I am confident my second suggestion will and I don't know about the first, but I consider the first to be an inferior choice.  You might consider running the portable version for the reasons I give below, as well.

Uninstalling and reinstalling the program is one and the other is trying Thunderbird portable. 

There are one or two minor or very minor things you can't do with the portable version but in general, it does everything the installed version does.  In addition, if the program ever becomes corrupted, you can have a back up copy and just delete the one you are using, then copy the backup to the location where you keep the one you use.

And you can use the program from an external drive or copy it to any computer you wish and use it.

Here is a link to download an old version of the program with the add-on already installed and the from line already displaying at the top.  The program will automatically update after it has been placed on the machine but even if the add-on doesn't work, the program may need nothing changed.  I expect the add-on to work, however, since it did in this copy on my machine.
Its a portable program so unzip the files wherever you want and, when in the folder, type t to get to Thunderbird.exe.  Press enter to run the program.  You can also send a shortcut to Thunderbird.exe to the desktop and create a short cut command to run it that way if you wish.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/esnytwkxvq2grz0/ThunderbirdPortable.zip?dl=1

Gene

On 6/12/2022 4:00 PM, Shawn via groups.io wrote:

Hi, I just installed Thunderbird yesterday, got the afore-mentioned addon, and had no problems moving columns opening the dialogue with NVDA+H, though I got the no column headers found error once until I made sure I was in the message list. Today a friend decided to get Thunderbird as well, just installed the addon, and gets the message column headers not found. I remoted in and tried matching some of her view menu settings to mine, but still can't get the column headers dialogue on her machine. Being in the message list or even in a specific message doesn't help. Rebooting NVDA and Thunderbird didn't help. We're both using the latest Thunderbird and NVDA with Windows 10. Any settings she needs to change to get this to work? She wants to move correspondents to the top of the list just like I did. Thanks.

Shawn Klein




 

 

 

 

 

 







locked Re: want to read short lines, not full paragraphs

Gene
 

On my Windows 10 machine,it is in the  format menu and it has been for as far back as I've known about it.  If it is in the view menu on your Windows 10 machine, I'd be very interested to know that.

Gene

On 6/13/2022 11:57 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 12:49 PM, Gene wrote:
Penny saw word wrap in the view menu.
-
Which is where it's been for YEARS, Gene.  That's my point.  Windows 10 has been around since 2015 and I'll bet if I were to fire up my Windows 7 laptop that couldn't be upgraded it will be in the View menu there.

There is simply NO SUBSTANTIAL DIFFERENCE in Notepad, as shipped from Microsoft, in Windows 10 and Windows 11.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill



Re: Attaching speech dictionaries to profiles

Jonathan Milam
 

Thanks, Brian. I actually found the setting and had to change the shortcut to get it to work.

Jonathan


On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 12:40 PM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Jonathan,

Make sure something hasn't gone wonky in the input gestures definitions.

The default add-on shortcut can be changed through NVDA's input gestures dialog: under configuration node, expand the node that says "Shows the application-specific dictionary dialog".
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill


locked Re: want to read short lines, not full paragraphs

 

On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 12:49 PM, Gene wrote:
Penny saw word wrap in the view menu.
-
Which is where it's been for YEARS, Gene.  That's my point.  Windows 10 has been around since 2015 and I'll bet if I were to fire up my Windows 7 laptop that couldn't be upgraded it will be in the View menu there.

There is simply NO SUBSTANTIAL DIFFERENCE in Notepad, as shipped from Microsoft, in Windows 10 and Windows 11.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill


locked Re: want to read short lines, not full paragraphs

Gene
 

Penny saw word wrap in the view menu.  I believe she purchased a Windows 11 machine not too long ago.  It may be that people who are purchasing Windows 11 machines now or upgrading now are getting it while those who already have Windows 11 aren't.  That means most people will still have the old Notepad.

Gene

On 6/13/2022 11:41 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Gene,

Do as you wish.  As of this writing, and until further notice, the Word Wrap setting in the Notepad shipped with WIndows 11 from Microsoft is precisely the same as it always has been.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill



locked Re: want to read short lines, not full paragraphs

JM Casey
 

Huh. I never noticed “search with bing” in the edit menu before, and so I jus tlooked, and indeed it is there, though greyed out for me. I feel like this is a new-ish addition to notepad, as this is a programme I used every day and have done for years, and I just never noticed this…but who knows really. Interesting.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: June 13, 2022 11:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] want to read short lines, not full paragraphs

 

For the record, Notepad in Windows 11 is (at least to me) trivially different than the Notepad we've all known "forever."  I just looked on my Windows 11 machine (which is downstairs, so I can't side-by-side compare) but other than the standard "look and feel" changes to the Windows 11 UI, I'm not seeing anything obviously different than what's in Windows 10 Notepad.  I don't know when the "Search with Bing" item even showed up in the Edit menu, but it's there in Windows 10 and I would be shocked if it were not there in Windows 8.1 and 7, too, as this sort of change tends to be back-ported.

It's possible there may be a new entry or two in the Edit menu, but if there are they've certainly not displaced any of the pre-existing ones or their keyboard shortcuts.

If you know Notepad prior to Windows 11 you still know Notepad in Windows 11 for all practical intents and purposes.


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locked Re: want to read short lines, not full paragraphs

 

Gene,

Do as you wish.  As of this writing, and until further notice, the Word Wrap setting in the Notepad shipped with WIndows 11 from Microsoft is precisely the same as it always has been.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill


Re: Attaching speech dictionaries to profiles

 

Jonathan,

Make sure something hasn't gone wonky in the input gestures definitions.

The default add-on shortcut can be changed through NVDA's input gestures dialog: under configuration node, expand the node that says "Shows the application-specific dictionary dialog".
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill


Re: Attaching speech dictionaries to profiles

Jonathan Milam
 

Thanks, Brian. I'll check with Rui, as the keyboard shortcut is not working, though it does install successfully..

Jonathan


On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 10:21 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
The Application Dictionary add-on is listed as compatible with NVDA 2019.3 and later.

If you're getting issues with installing under 2022.1, I'd reach out to Rui Fontes about this.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill


locked Re: want to read short lines, not full paragraphs

Gene
 

From what you say, the changes are minor, but since I gave information that didn't apply about where the word wrap setting is in the 11 version, if I give information in future, I'll say that it may not apply to the 11 version because I don't want to assume.

Gene

On 6/13/2022 10:59 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 11:51 AM, Gene wrote:
I forgot the link:
https://www.windowslatest.com/2021/12/08/hands-on-with-windows-11s-redesigned-notepad-app-with-dark-mode/
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And what is shown in that article is not, in any way, shape, or form congruent with what you get with Windows 11 as shipped.

The Windows 11 machine I have was clean installed with the Windows 11 install media downloaded from Microsoft.  What is reported in that article notes, "rolling out via the Microsoft Store in the Dev Channel."

Nothing from the Dev Channel of that ilk has made it out to production yet, and won't until the first Feature Update, if then.

We'll all know if it's "hit prime time" when the available menus change.  But right now, they're still the same five menus we've all known and have been there "since dirt." 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill



locked Re: want to read short lines, not full paragraphs

 

Gene,

You are really muddying the waters unnecessarily.  Please, for the love of heaven, STOP!
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill


locked Re: want to read short lines, not full paragraphs

 

On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 11:51 AM, Gene wrote:
I forgot the link:
https://www.windowslatest.com/2021/12/08/hands-on-with-windows-11s-redesigned-notepad-app-with-dark-mode/
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And what is shown in that article is not, in any way, shape, or form congruent with what you get with Windows 11 as shipped.

The Windows 11 machine I have was clean installed with the Windows 11 install media downloaded from Microsoft.  What is reported in that article notes, "rolling out via the Microsoft Store in the Dev Channel."

Nothing from the Dev Channel of that ilk has made it out to production yet, and won't until the first Feature Update, if then.

We'll all know if it's "hit prime time" when the available menus change.  But right now, they're still the same five menus we've all known and have been there "since dirt." 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill


locked Re: want to read short lines, not full paragraphs

Gene
 

I see that there is a view menu but it only contains an item to show the status line.  I don't know what has been added to the view menu in the Windows 11 version but Word wrap is there.  That raises the question of whether the format menu is gone and has been incorporated into the settings page.

Gene

On 6/13/2022 10:54 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 11:46 AM, Gene wrote:
There are differences, such as a view menu in Notepad 11 and no view menu in Windows 10.
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There is a View Menu in WIndows 10.   And the two items it contains - Zoom and Status Bar - are unchanged in Windows 11.

There are no additional menus under Windows 11 nor are there any menu deletions.  I have no reason to report inaccurately.
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill



locked Re: want to read short lines, not full paragraphs

 

On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 11:46 AM, Gene wrote:
There are differences, such as a view menu in Notepad 11 and no view menu in Windows 10.
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There is a View Menu in WIndows 10.   And the two items it contains - Zoom and Status Bar - are unchanged in Windows 11.

There are no additional menus under Windows 11 nor are there any menu deletions.  I have no reason to report inaccurately.
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill


locked Re: want to read short lines, not full paragraphs

Gene
 

This article, written when Notepad for Windows 11 was still under development, gives an idea of the differences.  There are differences, such as a view menu in Notepad 11 and no view menu in Windows 10.  Also, there is a settings page that wasn't there before. 

Since I don't have Notepad for Windows 11, I can't compare it with the Windows 10 version in detail, but there are enough changes that I can't assume that some things are where they were.

Gene

On 6/13/2022 10:34 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
For the record, Notepad in Windows 11 is (at least to me) trivially different than the Notepad we've all known "forever."  I just looked on my Windows 11 machine (which is downstairs, so I can't side-by-side compare) but other than the standard "look and feel" changes to the Windows 11 UI, I'm not seeing anything obviously different than what's in Windows 10 Notepad.  I don't know when the "Search with Bing" item even showed up in the Edit menu, but it's there in Windows 10 and I would be shocked if it were not there in Windows 8.1 and 7, too, as this sort of change tends to be back-ported.

It's possible there may be a new entry or two in the Edit menu, but if there are they've certainly not displaced any of the pre-existing ones or their keyboard shortcuts.

If you know Notepad prior to Windows 11 you still know Notepad in Windows 11 for all practical intents and purposes.


--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill



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