Date   

NVDA with Team Viewer.

Ravindran V.S.
 

Hi Group,

The latest NVDA Version 22.1 and Team Viewer latest versions does not provide any useful accessibility.

I am not too sure which has caused this problem. Because I have both latest versions running.

When I open Team Viewer NVDA does not speak anything. Earlier can move with Tab and get into the menu and other required cells.

But now nothing.

Even Object navigation does not provide much help.

Anything am I missing or doing wrong?

Team Viewer was fairly accessible with NVDA rather than Any-Desk. But now giving problem.

 

Kindly advice.

Thanks,

Ravi.


Re: NVDA issue with visual studio 2022 parameter help

Luke Davis
 

Luke Robinett wrote:

There is another issue, however. I will be typing a line of code and eventually NVDA will start saying “parameter help, parameter help, parameter help” over and over every time I move the cursor left or right or type a key. The only way to get it to stop doing this is to press escape and then arrow away from that line of code and back again. This is a problem because ironically, NVDA repeating “parameter help” is making it so I can’t hear the actual parameter help. Lol.
Does it help to turn off tooltips? (First checkbox in NVDA Object Presentation settings.)

Does it help to turn off "Report dynamic content changes"? (NVDA+5.)

Luke


Re: Older videos do not load while brousing through channel in video on firefox

JM Casey
 

It’s inconsistent behaviour. The script on the page has to interpret that youv’e done something “active” to make it scroll; sometimes just using browse mode/virtual buffer as you normally would does not do it. I tend to find that youtube works better with chrome than Firefox (and probably with other chromium-based browsers as well) in the sense that it’s not very responsive with firefox, so that is probablyw hy the OP thinks this problem only exists with firefox, at a guess.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: June 18, 2022 07:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Older videos do not load while brousing through channel in video on firefox

 

on the pages I've used that scroll, I don't have to move the mouse pointer.  Simply moving down the page to the point where it should scroll will result in it scrolling.  If you move beyond that point such as by moving to the bottom of the page, the page won't scroll.

Gene

On 6/18/2022 5:51 PM, JM Casey wrote:

Not sure if I just inferred this and maybe it’s not the case, but I thought they were talking about the youtube display page, either for one’s personal recommendations ora  channel one clicks on to see their uploads.

I too have experienced this sort of thing (though it doesn’t matter what screen-reader or browser it is in my case), and yes, it’s usuallyb ecause the page is not scrolling as you navigate with the screen-reader. You have to actually do something actively witht eh page in order to make it scroll – such as moving the mouse pointer.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: June 18, 2022 06:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Older videos do not load while brousing through channel in video on firefox

 

I will say this, again:  These kinds of issues cannot be successfully discussed or solved in the abstract.

A single URL, two for good measure, of pages where this behavior exhibits itself would go a very long way in helping potential assistants to try to figure out what may be occurring.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill

 


Re: Older videos do not load while brousing through channel in video on firefox

Gene
 

on the pages I've used that scroll, I don't have to move the mouse pointer.  Simply moving down the page to the point where it should scroll will result in it scrolling.  If you move beyond that point such as by moving to the bottom of the page, the page won't scroll.

Gene

On 6/18/2022 5:51 PM, JM Casey wrote:

Not sure if I just inferred this and maybe it’s not the case, but I thought they were talking about the youtube display page, either for one’s personal recommendations ora  channel one clicks on to see their uploads.

I too have experienced this sort of thing (though it doesn’t matter what screen-reader or browser it is in my case), and yes, it’s usuallyb ecause the page is not scrolling as you navigate with the screen-reader. You have to actually do something actively witht eh page in order to make it scroll – such as moving the mouse pointer.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: June 18, 2022 06:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Older videos do not load while brousing through channel in video on firefox

 

I will say this, again:  These kinds of issues cannot be successfully discussed or solved in the abstract.

A single URL, two for good measure, of pages where this behavior exhibits itself would go a very long way in helping potential assistants to try to figure out what may be occurring.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill



Re: Older videos do not load while brousing through channel in video on firefox

Gene
 

I suspect the explanation in the below message is the answer.  However, on pages like this, where content is added as you scroll, just going to the bottom of the page doesn't necessarily cause the desired action to happen.  You may have to scroll to the place or to near the place where the additional information should appear.
For example, on Youtube video pages, if I just move to the bottom of a page, that won't cause the comments to appear.  If I move down the page and get to the place in the page where the comments should appear, the page will scroll and comments will appear.  So you may have to move down a page, by using page down and then down arrowing a bit and then using page down again, etc.  If that doesn't work, you may have to quickly down arrow through a page until you see what you want.  This is inexcusably bad page design and it means that find won't work reliably when searching a page. 

Gene
On 6/18/2022 5:41 PM, JM Casey wrote:

I think this is because of the way a lot of modern webpages are designed to keep scrolling and scrolling once it's detectedt hat the user reaches a certain point.
Try going to the bottom of what you can see on the page, and hitting tab or something. This should cause the list to scroll a bit more. You may have to keep doing this repeatedly. Its'a  pain in the butt for sure and we can thank mobile devices, I think, for bringing about this web trend.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ali Colak
Sent: June 18, 2022 06:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Older videos do not load while brousing through channel in video on firefox

Problem isn't with the videos themselves, its with the list of videos, the video page. If I can get to the link it loads fine, but if I am going down the channels previous videos, the display doen't load after a certain time period. Lets say I'm going through a list with videos going back to 2017, videos I now are there, the list stops at 10 months ago, and doesn't load anymore, under the conditions I described previously.

On 6/18/22, Eduardo Fermiano Luccas <25102008luccas@...> wrote:
when you try to open the video does it throw an error or just do nothing?

Em sáb., 18 de jun. de 2022 às 15:21, Ali Colak <alish54@...>
escreveu:

Hello everyone,
I have been having a problem for a while using NVDA on firefox. I've 
asked the firefox forums because I thought it was a firefox problem, 
but no help there.
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1380217#answer-1513242
Also, when I tested with JAWS and asked my mother to use without 
screen reader no problem.

The problem basicly is that when I'm brousing through a channel, 
videos after several months do not load. This is not the case on 
chrome, using JAWS on firefox or without a screen reader, where I can 
go right back to the earliest video available on that channel. But on 
firefox, using NVDA the videos stop loading after a while.
Any suggestions? I'm not even precisely sure where the problem lies, 
as NVDA with chrome doesn't have the same problem, and firefox with 
JAWS doesn't have the same problem, but NVDA with firefox does.






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joinville, brasil
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Re: NVDA is not reading out buttons in Chrome browser

 

It is also inaccurate, completely inaccurate, to say that one must go to the About page to get Chromium-based browsers to update.  I virtually never do that, and Edge, Vivaldi, Brave, and Chrome all download and apply updates then show an indicator on the main menu that the update will complete when you choose to relaunch the browser.

This has been the case for, literally, years now.  Firefox does this, too, though it's not a Chromium-based browser.
--

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The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill


Re: Older videos do not load while brousing through channel in video on firefox

 

On Sat, Jun 18, 2022 at 06:51 PM, JM Casey wrote:
but I thought they were talking about the youtube display page,
-
I don't care what is being talked about.  Specific examples are NOT optional when you want others to troubleshoot.  This is not news, or rocket science.

Those doing diagnostics all need to be on in this case literally the same page.  I've seen people load mobile pages, by intent, on computers and the behavior is very different for these.  No matter what it is, a single example, and preferably several, should be provided when asking this kind of question.  That's anywhere, not just on this group.
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The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill


Re: Older videos do not load while brousing through channel in video on firefox

JM Casey
 

Not sure if I just inferred this and maybe it’s not the case, but I thought they were talking about the youtube display page, either for one’s personal recommendations ora  channel one clicks on to see their uploads.

I too have experienced this sort of thing (though it doesn’t matter what screen-reader or browser it is in my case), and yes, it’s usuallyb ecause the page is not scrolling as you navigate with the screen-reader. You have to actually do something actively witht eh page in order to make it scroll – such as moving the mouse pointer.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: June 18, 2022 06:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Older videos do not load while brousing through channel in video on firefox

 

I will say this, again:  These kinds of issues cannot be successfully discussed or solved in the abstract.

A single URL, two for good measure, of pages where this behavior exhibits itself would go a very long way in helping potential assistants to try to figure out what may be occurring.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill


Re: NVDA is not reading out buttons in Chrome browser

Gene
 

I never said you shouldn't check off and on to see if you are up-to-date and this is very easy to do in the about dialog.  When you open the about dialog, the program automatically checks to see if it is up to date and if you look through the dialog, you will see that information.  I can't comment on one instance you had.  I can say that it is reliable.  Indeed, it was just this way of checking that told me that one Chrome-based browser wasn't updating because of a router problem I solved by powering down and restarting the router.  The Brave about dialog would say checking for updates and never go further. 

I agree that you should check the about dialog about once a month to be sure the program is current.  But I disagree that the about dialog doesn't do what it should reliably in Chrome browsers, that is, check for updates when you open the dialog and present accurate information.

You took one instance where the dialog may not have worked properly and turned it into a generalization.  One instance is not a [proper basis from which to generalize. 

Gene

On 6/18/2022 5:07 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

I’ve had that update fail. I know it updates by itself , or should, but the normal user is not going to go to chrome://about to find out they are out of date.  Only the advanced user will think of doing this. The last time chrome updated to 100x it took about 2 or so week before I got the update for what ever reason and I use chrome daily as my default. I checked with chocolety and chrome 100x  was there, and updated without needing to launch chrome.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2022 10:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA is not reading out buttons in Chrome browser

 

You may do things in ways that computer users generally don't do things.  That doesn't mean that the general user should do things in a different way.  Chrome-based browsers update in the background.  and on what do you base your distrust of about dialogs?  I haven't seen one computer advisor nor anyone else say they are unreliable.

I have no objection to you doing things as you wish but you are making statements and implications that updating Chrome-based browsers as most computer users do is unreliable or in some way a disadvantage to what you do, with which I most emphatically disagree.

Gene

On 6/18/2022 12:04 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

I’d rather update through chocolety, as it  updates in the background, and I have about 30 other windows apps I update in this way, all at once. I don’t trust the about dialogue, ever, not in chrome anyway.  Give me a package manager any day, or give me the installer so I can just update by hand and keep the follinstaller around in case I have to reinstall from scratch.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2022 8:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA is not reading out buttons in Chrome browser

 

You don't need to update in that way.  Chrome-based browsers are supposed to automatically update.  But instead of installing the program to update it, if it isn't automatically updating, use the about dialog.  That dialog tells you if an update is available and there is an update button.  Once you open the about dialog, it may be in slightly different places depending on the Chrome-based browser you are using, have browse mode on.  If you can't move through the interface with the arrow keys, manually turn on Browse mode and it will be accessible and similar to a web page.  There is information at or near the top of the page about updating and whether you are up to date.

In Chrome, about is in the help submenu.

Gene

On 6/18/2022 10:24 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

I believe the 64 bit version can also be found on chocolety as that’s how I update, every few weeks. Much easier for those who love package managers as I do.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2022 8:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA is not reading out buttons in Chrome browser

 

The issue of downloading Chrome just arose in one of the JAWS groups.

The online installer is always at https://www.google.com/chrome 
and the offline installer for the current 64-bit version can be obtained from: https://dl.google.com/tag/s/appguid%3D%7B8A69D345-D564-463C-AFF1-A69D9E530F96%7D%26iid%3D%7B7963AE5A-0471-BF21-99EE-0ABC200D2042%7D%26lang%3Den%26browser%3D3%26usagestats%3D0%26appname%3DGoogle%2520Chrome%26needsadmin%3Dprefers%26ap%3Dx64-stable-statsdef_1%26installdataindex%3Dempty/chrome/install/ChromeStandaloneSetup64.exe 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill

 

 



Re: Older videos do not load while brousing through channel in video on firefox

 

I will say this, again:  These kinds of issues cannot be successfully discussed or solved in the abstract.

A single URL, two for good measure, of pages where this behavior exhibits itself would go a very long way in helping potential assistants to try to figure out what may be occurring.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill


Re: Older videos do not load while brousing through channel in video on firefox

JM Casey
 

I think this is because of the way a lot of modern webpages are designed to keep scrolling and scrolling once it's detectedt hat the user reaches a certain point.
Try going to the bottom of what you can see on the page, and hitting tab or something. This should cause the list to scroll a bit more. You may have to keep doing this repeatedly. Its'a pain in the butt for sure and we can thank mobile devices, I think, for bringing about this web trend.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ali Colak
Sent: June 18, 2022 06:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Older videos do not load while brousing through channel in video on firefox

Problem isn't with the videos themselves, its with the list of videos, the video page. If I can get to the link it loads fine, but if I am going down the channels previous videos, the display doen't load after a certain time period. Lets say I'm going through a list with videos going back to 2017, videos I now are there, the list stops at 10 months ago, and doesn't load anymore, under the conditions I described previously.

On 6/18/22, Eduardo Fermiano Luccas <25102008luccas@...> wrote:
when you try to open the video does it throw an error or just do nothing?

Em sáb., 18 de jun. de 2022 às 15:21, Ali Colak <alish54@...>
escreveu:

Hello everyone,
I have been having a problem for a while using NVDA on firefox. I've
asked the firefox forums because I thought it was a firefox problem,
but no help there.
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1380217#answer-1513242
Also, when I tested with JAWS and asked my mother to use without
screen reader no problem.

The problem basicly is that when I'm brousing through a channel,
videos after several months do not load. This is not the case on
chrome, using JAWS on firefox or without a screen reader, where I can
go right back to the earliest video available on that channel. But on
firefox, using NVDA the videos stop loading after a while.
Any suggestions? I'm not even precisely sure where the problem lies,
as NVDA with chrome doesn't have the same problem, and firefox with
JAWS doesn't have the same problem, but NVDA with firefox does.





--
eduardo fermiano luccas
joinville, brasil
músico e editor de áldio iniciante






Re: Older videos do not load while brousing through channel in video on firefox

Ali Colak
 

Problem isn't with the videos themselves, its with the list of videos,
the video page. If I can get to the link it loads fine, but if I am
going down the channels previous videos, the display doen't load after
a certain time period. Lets say I'm going through a list with videos
going back to 2017, videos I now are there, the list stops at 10
months ago, and doesn't load anymore, under the conditions I described
previously.

On 6/18/22, Eduardo Fermiano Luccas <25102008luccas@...> wrote:
when you try to open the video does it throw an error or just do nothing?

Em sáb., 18 de jun. de 2022 às 15:21, Ali Colak <alish54@...>
escreveu:

Hello everyone,
I have been having a problem for a while using NVDA on firefox. I've
asked the firefox forums because I thought it was a firefox problem,
but no help there.
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1380217#answer-1513242
Also, when I tested with JAWS and asked my mother to use without
screen reader no problem.

The problem basicly is that when I'm brousing through a channel,
videos after several months do not load. This is not the case on
chrome, using JAWS on firefox or without a screen reader, where I can
go right back to the earliest video available on that channel. But on
firefox, using NVDA the videos stop loading after a while.
Any suggestions? I'm not even precisely sure where the problem lies,
as NVDA with chrome doesn't have the same problem, and firefox with
JAWS doesn't have the same problem, but NVDA with firefox does.





--
eduardo fermiano luccas
joinville, brasil
músico e editor de áldio iniciante






Re: Frequently Unable to Press Elements On The Web

Sarah k Alawami
 

I actually just had this fail today in firefox at www.trailhead.com. In fact the thing was off screen when I went into document mode to be sure the page had actually changed, or not changed.  Chrome did something worse where the thing would not even activate when I typed in my query on trailhead’s salesforce settings when creating a permission set. I had to go through the whole interface to find where  the thing was I had to modify. I then had an add button that would not become active. No, alt tabbing did not work. It took me 3 days to get this assignment done because of that little hiccup. I did get it done but with much hair pulling.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eduardo Fermiano Luccas
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2022 3:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Frequently Unable to Press Elements On The Web

 

dude, try pressing alt + tab

or: f5

 

it's a matter of exiting and returning from the window without close

 

but, you will still have to locate the item sometimes

 

Em sáb., 18 de jun. de 2022 às 15:36, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...> escreveu:

Dear all,

I am using NVDA, Firefox, and Edge (latest stable versions of each but
I have been facing such issues for many months now). Far too
frequently have I been encountering instances wherein Spacebar/Enter
simply does not activate a pressable item (link, button, menu item,
dialog, etc.). Either nothing happens, or the focus jumps in the page
arbitrarily, or a different element in the page is activated, or I am
thrown into another window altogether. This happens on commonplace
websites like Google, LinkedIn, and Doordash as well as less complex
and lesser-known websites. In these cases, I sometimes need to enter
focus mode and retry Spacebar/Enter, sometimes need to manually move
around the navigator object to the control and press
NVDA+Shift+Backspace and then NVDA+Enter, sometimes manually
reposition the navigator object and move the mouse pointer to it and
then simulate a left mouse click, and sometimes try maximizing the
browser's window or closing some other programs whose window may be
interfering (like CCleaner and Google Drive). Even then, sometimes,
none of these strategies succeed. This experience applies to a
minority of pressable elements (<50%), but it is a significant
minority of cases and enough to be a significant inconvenience. I face
this more often in Firefox, but that might be because I use it more
than I do Edge.

I would like to acknowledge that (a) the description of my issue lacks
examples and is somewhat generic, and (b) issues should ideally be
reported on GitHub. This is intentional because in my experience, this
problem is pervasive and issues of this kind have already been
reported on GitHub for months(/years?) to little effect.

Do you face such issues as well? What strategies do you use when
Spacebar/Enter doesn't activate a control like it should? Have you
found one web browser to fare better than another in this respect (say
Edge might be more reliable than Firefox)?

I would be deeply grateful for any thoughts and suggestions.

Kind Regards,
Bhavya Shah
B.S. in Mathematical and Computational Science | Stanford '24
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/





 

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Re: NVDA is not reading out buttons in Chrome browser

Sarah k Alawami
 

I’ve had that update fail. I know it updates by itself , or should, but the normal user is not going to go to chrome://about to find out they are out of date.  Only the advanced user will think of doing this. The last time chrome updated to 100x it took about 2 or so week before I got the update for what ever reason and I use chrome daily as my default. I checked with chocolety and chrome 100x  was there, and updated without needing to launch chrome.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2022 10:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA is not reading out buttons in Chrome browser

 

You may do things in ways that computer users generally don't do things.  That doesn't mean that the general user should do things in a different way.  Chrome-based browsers update in the background.  and on what do you base your distrust of about dialogs?  I haven't seen one computer advisor nor anyone else say they are unreliable.

I have no objection to you doing things as you wish but you are making statements and implications that updating Chrome-based browsers as most computer users do is unreliable or in some way a disadvantage to what you do, with which I most emphatically disagree.

Gene

On 6/18/2022 12:04 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

I’d rather update through chocolety, as it  updates in the background, and I have about 30 other windows apps I update in this way, all at once. I don’t trust the about dialogue, ever, not in chrome anyway.  Give me a package manager any day, or give me the installer so I can just update by hand and keep the follinstaller around in case I have to reinstall from scratch.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2022 8:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA is not reading out buttons in Chrome browser

 

You don't need to update in that way.  Chrome-based browsers are supposed to automatically update.  But instead of installing the program to update it, if it isn't automatically updating, use the about dialog.  That dialog tells you if an update is available and there is an update button.  Once you open the about dialog, it may be in slightly different places depending on the Chrome-based browser you are using, have browse mode on.  If you can't move through the interface with the arrow keys, manually turn on Browse mode and it will be accessible and similar to a web page.  There is information at or near the top of the page about updating and whether you are up to date.

In Chrome, about is in the help submenu.

Gene

On 6/18/2022 10:24 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

I believe the 64 bit version can also be found on chocolety as that’s how I update, every few weeks. Much easier for those who love package managers as I do.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2022 8:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA is not reading out buttons in Chrome browser

 

The issue of downloading Chrome just arose in one of the JAWS groups.

The online installer is always at https://www.google.com/chrome 
and the offline installer for the current 64-bit version can be obtained from: https://dl.google.com/tag/s/appguid%3D%7B8A69D345-D564-463C-AFF1-A69D9E530F96%7D%26iid%3D%7B7963AE5A-0471-BF21-99EE-0ABC200D2042%7D%26lang%3Den%26browser%3D3%26usagestats%3D0%26appname%3DGoogle%2520Chrome%26needsadmin%3Dprefers%26ap%3Dx64-stable-statsdef_1%26installdataindex%3Dempty/chrome/install/ChromeStandaloneSetup64.exe 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill

 

 


Re: Frequently Unable to Press Elements On The Web

Eduardo Fermiano Luccas
 

dude, try pressing alt + tab
or: f5

it's a matter of exiting and returning from the window without close

but, you will still have to locate the item sometimes

Em sáb., 18 de jun. de 2022 às 15:36, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...> escreveu:

Dear all,

I am using NVDA, Firefox, and Edge (latest stable versions of each but
I have been facing such issues for many months now). Far too
frequently have I been encountering instances wherein Spacebar/Enter
simply does not activate a pressable item (link, button, menu item,
dialog, etc.). Either nothing happens, or the focus jumps in the page
arbitrarily, or a different element in the page is activated, or I am
thrown into another window altogether. This happens on commonplace
websites like Google, LinkedIn, and Doordash as well as less complex
and lesser-known websites. In these cases, I sometimes need to enter
focus mode and retry Spacebar/Enter, sometimes need to manually move
around the navigator object to the control and press
NVDA+Shift+Backspace and then NVDA+Enter, sometimes manually
reposition the navigator object and move the mouse pointer to it and
then simulate a left mouse click, and sometimes try maximizing the
browser's window or closing some other programs whose window may be
interfering (like CCleaner and Google Drive). Even then, sometimes,
none of these strategies succeed. This experience applies to a
minority of pressable elements (<50%), but it is a significant
minority of cases and enough to be a significant inconvenience. I face
this more often in Firefox, but that might be because I use it more
than I do Edge.

I would like to acknowledge that (a) the description of my issue lacks
examples and is somewhat generic, and (b) issues should ideally be
reported on GitHub. This is intentional because in my experience, this
problem is pervasive and issues of this kind have already been
reported on GitHub for months(/years?) to little effect.

Do you face such issues as well? What strategies do you use when
Spacebar/Enter doesn't activate a control like it should? Have you
found one web browser to fare better than another in this respect (say
Edge might be more reliable than Firefox)?

I would be deeply grateful for any thoughts and suggestions.

Kind Regards,
Bhavya Shah
B.S. in Mathematical and Computational Science | Stanford '24
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/







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Re: Older videos do not load while brousing through channel in video on firefox

Eduardo Fermiano Luccas
 

when you try to open the video does it throw an error or just do nothing?

Em sáb., 18 de jun. de 2022 às 15:21, Ali Colak <alish54@...> escreveu:

Hello everyone,
I have been having a problem for a while using NVDA on firefox. I've
asked the firefox forums because I thought it was a firefox problem,
but no help there.
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1380217#answer-1513242
Also, when I tested with JAWS and asked my mother to use without
screen reader no problem.

The problem basicly is that when I'm brousing through a channel,
videos after several months do not load. This is not the case on
chrome, using JAWS on firefox or without a screen reader, where I can
go right back to the earliest video available on that channel. But on
firefox, using NVDA the videos stop loading after a while.
Any suggestions? I'm not even precisely sure where the problem lies,
as NVDA with chrome doesn't have the same problem, and firefox with
JAWS doesn't have the same problem, but NVDA with firefox does.







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Re: NVDA is not reading out buttons in Chrome browser

 

Actually with chrome, edge, etc you just go to help about and it should update itself then restart or launch.

Just remember to do 1 at a time because it will choak if 2 run.



On 19/06/2022 5:04 am, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

I’d rather update through chocolety, as it  updates in the background, and I have about 30 other windows apps I update in this way, all at once. I don’t trust the about dialogue, ever, not in chrome anyway.  Give me a package manager any day, or give me the installer so I can just update by hand and keep the follinstaller around in case I have to reinstall from scratch.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2022 8:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA is not reading out buttons in Chrome browser

 

You don't need to update in that way.  Chrome-based browsers are supposed to automatically update.  But instead of installing the program to update it, if it isn't automatically updating, use the about dialog.  That dialog tells you if an update is available and there is an update button.  Once you open the about dialog, it may be in slightly different places depending on the Chrome-based browser you are using, have browse mode on.  If you can't move through the interface with the arrow keys, manually turn on Browse mode and it will be accessible and similar to a web page.  There is information at or near the top of the page about updating and whether you are up to date.

In Chrome, about is in the help submenu.

Gene

On 6/18/2022 10:24 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

I believe the 64 bit version can also be found on chocolety as that’s how I update, every few weeks. Much easier for those who love package managers as I do.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2022 8:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA is not reading out buttons in Chrome browser

 

The issue of downloading Chrome just arose in one of the JAWS groups.

The online installer is always at https://www.google.com/chrome 
and the offline installer for the current 64-bit version can be obtained from: https://dl.google.com/tag/s/appguid%3D%7B8A69D345-D564-463C-AFF1-A69D9E530F96%7D%26iid%3D%7B7963AE5A-0471-BF21-99EE-0ABC200D2042%7D%26lang%3Den%26browser%3D3%26usagestats%3D0%26appname%3DGoogle%2520Chrome%26needsadmin%3Dprefers%26ap%3Dx64-stable-statsdef_1%26installdataindex%3Dempty/chrome/install/ChromeStandaloneSetup64.exe 
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The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill

 


Frequently Unable to Press Elements On The Web

Bhavya shah
 

Dear all,

I am using NVDA, Firefox, and Edge (latest stable versions of each but
I have been facing such issues for many months now). Far too
frequently have I been encountering instances wherein Spacebar/Enter
simply does not activate a pressable item (link, button, menu item,
dialog, etc.). Either nothing happens, or the focus jumps in the page
arbitrarily, or a different element in the page is activated, or I am
thrown into another window altogether. This happens on commonplace
websites like Google, LinkedIn, and Doordash as well as less complex
and lesser-known websites. In these cases, I sometimes need to enter
focus mode and retry Spacebar/Enter, sometimes need to manually move
around the navigator object to the control and press
NVDA+Shift+Backspace and then NVDA+Enter, sometimes manually
reposition the navigator object and move the mouse pointer to it and
then simulate a left mouse click, and sometimes try maximizing the
browser's window or closing some other programs whose window may be
interfering (like CCleaner and Google Drive). Even then, sometimes,
none of these strategies succeed. This experience applies to a
minority of pressable elements (<50%), but it is a significant
minority of cases and enough to be a significant inconvenience. I face
this more often in Firefox, but that might be because I use it more
than I do Edge.

I would like to acknowledge that (a) the description of my issue lacks
examples and is somewhat generic, and (b) issues should ideally be
reported on GitHub. This is intentional because in my experience, this
problem is pervasive and issues of this kind have already been
reported on GitHub for months(/years?) to little effect.

Do you face such issues as well? What strategies do you use when
Spacebar/Enter doesn't activate a control like it should? Have you
found one web browser to fare better than another in this respect (say
Edge might be more reliable than Firefox)?

I would be deeply grateful for any thoughts and suggestions.

Kind Regards,
Bhavya Shah
B.S. in Mathematical and Computational Science | Stanford '24
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/


Older videos do not load while brousing through channel in video on firefox

Ali Colak
 

Hello everyone,
I have been having a problem for a while using NVDA on firefox. I've
asked the firefox forums because I thought it was a firefox problem,
but no help there.
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1380217#answer-1513242
Also, when I tested with JAWS and asked my mother to use without
screen reader no problem.

The problem basicly is that when I'm brousing through a channel,
videos after several months do not load. This is not the case on
chrome, using JAWS on firefox or without a screen reader, where I can
go right back to the earliest video available on that channel. But on
firefox, using NVDA the videos stop loading after a while.
Any suggestions? I'm not even precisely sure where the problem lies,
as NVDA with chrome doesn't have the same problem, and firefox with
JAWS doesn't have the same problem, but NVDA with firefox does.


Re: NVDA is not reading out buttons in Chrome browser

 

On Sat, Jun 18, 2022 at 01:43 PM, Gene wrote:
I have no objection to you doing things as you wish but you are making statements and implications that updating Chrome-based browsers as most computer users do is unreliable or in some way a disadvantage to what you do, with which I most emphatically disagree.
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As, I believe I can say with assurance, would virtually any professional computer tech out there.  I haven't seen a web browser that's unreliable about self-updating in a very long time and, much like Windows, if you recognize that it's not updating that indicates that something is wrong.

I have no issue with anyone choosing whatever methods they see fit to maintain their machines.  But I agree that casting doubt upon what are generally recognized as rock solid self-updating functions is counterproductive and innacurate.

That being said, we need to redirect this conversation to an "as it relates to NVDA and Chrome interacting" topic.  I can't help because the issue the OP has reported is, as far as my experience goes, singular.

It never hurts to follow The Most Basic Troubleshooting Steps for Suspected NVDA Issues

 

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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill

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