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Re: NVDA reporting blank

Steve Nutt
 

Yes that works, but it shouldn’t say blank at the end.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of William
Sent: 27 May 2022 12:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA reporting blank

 

[Edited Message Follows]

Sorry, I found out the reason.
Because I have set nvda to report indentation, so my nvda will report space blank if the line is containing one space.

Gene 27/5/2022 18:55 寫道:

I can't help further unless what you are describing is stated very clearly.  When do you hear space blank?  What, exactly, are you doing when you hear it?  You write as though you hear both space and blank spoken when you take the same action.  For example, when you move by character, you hear space blank spoken when you move.  I'm not saying that is what happens, but I don't know what you are describing.  Is that what you are saying and if so, what is the action that causes the behavior?

Gene

On 5/27/2022 1:15 AM, William wrote:

I have a blank line in Notepad, I hear blank.  When I put spaces on the line and nothing else, it still says blank.  But if I want to check to see if there are any spaces on the line and I issue the say current line command twice quickly, the > number of spaces are spoken on the line and blank isn't.

 

If it is in Notepad++, it will say space blank.

 

> You don't want to hear space spoken when you are reading lines. 

 

Sometimes, I am editing a file which was given by a sighted person, and I see that there are lines of spaces but it says blank, so at the first glance, I am confused. But I totally agree that it is like sighted people do not see spaces, so line with only spaces can be regarded as blank.

 

 

 

 

Gene 27/5/2022 11:32 寫道:

It sounds to me as though you aren't reporting when it says space and blank with enough detail.  If I have a blank line in Notepad, I hear blank.  When I put spaces on the line and nothing else, it still says blank.  But if I want to check to see if there are any spaces on the line and I issue the say current line command twice quickly, the number of spaces are spoken on the line and blank isn't.

That makes sense since if it announced space when it saw spaces in a line when not spelling the line, you would hear space announced during ordinary reading between every word.

Gene

On 5/26/2022 9:43 PM, William wrote:

Hi Quentin

Hmm, I am just wondering to my understand, blank is nothing, but if there is spaces, and it says blank, I may be confused.

 

 

 

 

 

Quentin Christensen 27/5/2022 10:13 寫道:

What is the context and would you rather it read?

 

On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 11:20 AM William <xsuper.sillyx@...> wrote:

Hello all,

When there is a empty line, nvda will report "blank."

But, if the line contain only spaces, say " " nvda will say "space blank."


I wanna understand why nvda still regard it as blank when there are spaces?

Thanks,

William.








 

 

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Re: NVDA reporting blank

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

You could try increasing your punctuation level.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: 27 May 2022 05:23
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA reporting blank

 

Hi Group,

I have experienced the following issue with Blank lines and symbols. When I receive a message from audible informing me of books or things I might be interested in, I usually get a first line like 'Audible an Amazon company. Then I press the down arrow key 5 times and hear absolutely nothing. I do not hear blank--but nothing is spoken. When I hit the sixth line, then speech resumes. Sighted people tell me there are strange characters on those 5 lines--some kind of ASCII art for appearance sake.

I wonder if this is what some people are experiencing.

On 5/26/2022 11:32 PM, Gene wrote:

It sounds to me as though you aren't reporting when it says space and blank with enough detail.  If I have a blank line in Notepad, I hear blank.  When I put spaces on the line and nothing else, it still says blank.  But if I want to check to see if there are any spaces on the line and I issue the say current line command twice quickly, the number of spaces are spoken on the line and blank isn't.

That makes sense since if it announced space when it saw spaces in a line when not spelling the line, you would hear space announced during ordinary reading between every word.

Gene

On 5/26/2022 9:43 PM, William wrote:

Hi Quentin

Hmm, I am just wondering to my understand, blank is nothing, but if there is spaces, and it says blank, I may be confused.

 

 

 

 

 

Quentin Christensen 27/5/2022 10:13 寫道:

What is the context and would you rather it read?

 

On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 11:20 AM William <xsuper.sillyx@...> wrote:

Hello all,

When there is a empty line, nvda will report "blank."

But, if the line contain only spaces, say " " nvda will say "space blank."


I wanna understand why nvda still regard it as blank when there are spaces?

Thanks,

William.








 

 

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Re: NVDA reporting blank

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

I would prefer NVDA or any screen reader say something like “Three Spaces” if they are present on a line.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: 27 May 2022 05:12
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA reporting blank

 

It could also be argued that sighted users don't see anything for whitespace (either spaces, tabs, newlines, etc) (ok Word with non-printable characters displayed is an exception).

 

To the OP, In any case, if you can think of a good workaround and use case, then feel free to create an issue.  As Gene noted, you don't generally want spaces between words read out when just reading regular text, and depending on how you navigate, they ARE reported now.  Whether that fits what you need, will depend on.... what you need, and what you are doing.

 

On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 2:09 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Also, if I move by character with the left and right arrows and there are spaces on a line, I hear space as I move and if there are words and spaces, I hear the words spelled as I move and space spoken between words.  When I up and down arrow among lines with spaces and nothing else, I hear blank.  All this makes sense.  You don't want to hear space spoken when you are reading lines.  You do want to hear space spoken when you are moving by character through a line.

Gene

On 5/26/2022 10:32 PM, Gene wrote:

It sounds to me as though you aren't reporting when it says space and blank with enough detail.  If I have a blank line in Notepad, I hear blank.  When I put spaces on the line and nothing else, it still says blank.  But if I want to check to see if there are any spaces on the line and I issue the say current line command twice quickly, the number of spaces are spoken on the line and blank isn't.

That makes sense since if it announced space when it saw spaces in a line when not spelling the line, you would hear space announced during ordinary reading between every word.

Gene

On 5/26/2022 9:43 PM, William wrote:

Hi Quentin

Hmm, I am just wondering to my understand, blank is nothing, but if there is spaces, and it says blank, I may be confused.

 

 

 

 

 

Quentin Christensen 27/5/2022 10:13 寫道:

What is the context and would you rather it read?

 

On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 11:20 AM William <xsuper.sillyx@...> wrote:

Hello all,

When there is a empty line, nvda will report "blank."

But, if the line contain only spaces, say " " nvda will say "space blank."


I wanna understand why nvda still regard it as blank when there are spaces?

Thanks,

William.








 

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

 

 


 

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Training and Support Manager

 


Pauses in MS-Word

Ralph Boersema
 

Dear Friends,

 

I do not usually keep up with this list, so please forgive me if this matter has been dealt with recently. When I work with Word documents NVDA frequently pauses before reading something to me. The pause frequency and the length of the pauses increase as the documents get longer. I have had this problem for years and with different versions of Word and of NVDA. Currently I am using Microsoft 365 and my NVDA is up to date. Is there some configuration I need to change, either in Word or in NVDA?

 

Warmly,

Ralph


Re: your help

Sarah k Alawami
 

Actually windows control n does open narrator settings, or some accessibility setting. I’ve done this before quite by accident.  I just did this just now to confirm this.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2022 8:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] your help

 

Actually, it’s Windows+Control+Enter, not N.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shawn via groups.io
Sent: 25 May 2022 16:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] your help

 

Why not just do it through narrator? 1. Open Narrator Settings by pressing the Windows logo key + Ctrl + N.

2. Tab to Personalize Narrator's voice, tab once more to and select Add more voices. ...

3. Under Manage voices, select Add voices.

4. Select the language you would like to install voices for and select Add.

More items...

You’ve got UK, U.S., Canada and Ireland you can choose from.

Shawn Klein

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Marisane Moruthanyana
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2022 10:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] your help

 

Hi Chris

 

Thank you, Chris.

 

I have got it, but I cannot understand why I do not find English

United Kingdom even after typing in the edit box.

 

If a voice doesn't show in the list, how does one get it?

 

Thanking you in advance for your help.

Wally Marisane

 

On 5/25/22, Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...> wrote:

> Hi Marisane

> You need to download and install the relevant language pack for Windows 10

> which I think is “English United Kingdom” if you’re wanting the George

> voice.

> 1.Open “Settings” using Windows+i, and then select Settings  > Time &

> Language  > Language.

> 2. Under Preferred languages, select “Add a language”.

> 3. Under Choose a language to install, select or type the name of the

> language that you want to download and install, and then select Next.

> 4. Under Install language features, select the features that you want to use

> in the language that you selected to download, (this should include

> associated voices) and then select Install.

> Once installed the additional voices should appear in the list of available

> voices in NVDA.

> Cheers

> Chris

> Sent from Mail for Windows

> From: Marisane Moruthanyana

> Sent: 25 May 2022 12:28

> To: nvda

> Subject: [nvda] your help

> Good day guys

> I am Marisane from SA.

> I hope you are all well.

> I am pushing.

> Your help please.

> I need to add Windows core voices to the list already found in my PC.

> How is that done?

> I like George's voice, but my personal laptop does not hav it.

> I only find it in my PC at work.

> Please take me through the steps to download and install additional

> Win core voices.

> If you do not mind, direct me to a page with well elaborated tutorial.

> Thanking you in advance.

> Marisane

>

 

 

 

 

 


Re: your help

Steve Nutt
 

Actually, it’s Windows+Control+Enter, not N.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shawn via groups.io
Sent: 25 May 2022 16:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] your help

 

Why not just do it through narrator? 1. Open Narrator Settings by pressing the Windows logo key + Ctrl + N.

2. Tab to Personalize Narrator's voice, tab once more to and select Add more voices. ...

3. Under Manage voices, select Add voices.

4. Select the language you would like to install voices for and select Add.

More items...

You’ve got UK, U.S., Canada and Ireland you can choose from.

Shawn Klein

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Marisane Moruthanyana
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2022 10:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] your help

 

Hi Chris

 

Thank you, Chris.

 

I have got it, but I cannot understand why I do not find English

United Kingdom even after typing in the edit box.

 

If a voice doesn't show in the list, how does one get it?

 

Thanking you in advance for your help.

Wally Marisane

 

On 5/25/22, Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...> wrote:

> Hi Marisane

> You need to download and install the relevant language pack for Windows 10

> which I think is “English United Kingdom” if you’re wanting the George

> voice.

> 1.Open “Settings” using Windows+i, and then select Settings  > Time &

> Language  > Language.

> 2. Under Preferred languages, select “Add a language”.

> 3. Under Choose a language to install, select or type the name of the

> language that you want to download and install, and then select Next.

> 4. Under Install language features, select the features that you want to use

> in the language that you selected to download, (this should include

> associated voices) and then select Install.

> Once installed the additional voices should appear in the list of available

> voices in NVDA.

> Cheers

> Chris

> Sent from Mail for Windows

> From: Marisane Moruthanyana

> Sent: 25 May 2022 12:28

> To: nvda

> Subject: [nvda] your help

> Good day guys

> I am Marisane from SA.

> I hope you are all well.

> I am pushing.

> Your help please.

> I need to add Windows core voices to the list already found in my PC.

> How is that done?

> I like George's voice, but my personal laptop does not hav it.

> I only find it in my PC at work.

> Please take me through the steps to download and install additional

> Win core voices.

> If you do not mind, direct me to a page with well elaborated tutorial.

> Thanking you in advance.

> Marisane

>

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Connection of pc to Signal messenger or WhatsApp

Luke Davis
 

Daniel Sommerfeld wrote:

Is there a better way to connect your pcc to whatsapp or Signal messenger? I mean is there a better way to do that but to scan a QR code?
I don't know, but personally I have found it pretty successful to scan QR codes on my computer screen with my iPhone.

The camera doesn't have to be positioned exactly, and just moving it around slowly with the built-in code scanner running, usually works. That assumes you can use either the built-in code scanner, or can use one in whatever app you're running that is constant pick-up, not point-and-snapshot.

Luke


Re: Connection of pc to Signal messenger or WhatsApp

Sarah k Alawami
 

Btw your best bet would be the chat group. Go to the sub groups for nvda group on groups.io and look for the heading labeled sub groups, if they did make that public. If not, search for the nvda chat group on groups.io.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Daniel Sommerfeld
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2022 6:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Connection of pc to Signal messenger or WhatsApp

Hi all.


Is there a better way to connect your pcc to whatsapp or Signal messenger? I mean is there a better way to do that but to scan a QR code?


Reards

Daniel


Re: Connection of pc to Signal messenger or WhatsApp

Sarah k Alawami
 

Nope. I can do it only because I have a very good phone, I just point my phone at the screen and it just works. If you have something like an iPhone 8 or older, you can do it but you will have issues.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Daniel Sommerfeld
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2022 6:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Connection of pc to Signal messenger or WhatsApp

Hi all.


Is there a better way to connect your pcc to whatsapp or Signal messenger? I mean is there a better way to do that but to scan a QR code?


Reards

Daniel


Re: Audio ducking. quick on and off?

Sarah k Alawami
 

I didn't se it when I searched for feedback, there are 48 results for narrator, some of them not matching up to the keyword itself. Actually come to think of it, I never saw the feedback I reported a while ago re narrator. Hmm. I can write up a report , however I'm not sure if this is an nvda or narrator issue, or both.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Grossoehme
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 12:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Audio ducking. quick on and off?

Has anyone reported this to Microsoft? Go into Feedback Hub with the Win key + f key. Then you can tab through the app., you can mark this as a problem to them.

Dave


On 6/21/2022 6:23 AM, Daniel Sommerfeld wrote:
Hi. You are guessing right. *grins* I really didn't know about that.
But that is a very long way to get to the search. But thank you. Now i
know how to get help.


Cheers

Daniel

Am 21.06.2022 um 08:10 schrieb Luke Davis:
Daniel Sommerfeld wrote:

Wow. That's it. Thank you so much. :-)
I'm guessing you don't know about the NVDA Quick Command Reference,
available by pressing NVDA+N, H, Q. If you had opened that, you could
have searched for "ducking" with a normal webpage search
(NVDA+Ctrl+F), and gotten an answer even faster!








Connection of pc to Signal messenger or WhatsApp

Daniel Sommerfeld
 

Hi all.


Is there a better way to connect your pcc to whatsapp or Signal messenger? I mean is there a better way to do that but to scan a QR code?


Reards

Daniel


Allow Access to Camera/Microphone

 

Hi "Group,
When I have a video conference I get a popup saying allow access to
microphone/camera. I try tab/shif+tab but cannot find the popup to
press enter to allow.
Is there a shortcut key to do that?
Any repsonse would be appreciated.

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Re: Double Entry Bookkeeping/professional accounting software

Abhishek Raut
 

hi Luke
If you want professional software, you can go with tally ERP9
Lot's of business owners use this software in india.
Check there website, if its available for your country then you can use this in your country.
note: this is completely in accessible with NVDA.
To use it you have to use jaws.
I am working on such software in python.
If you are interested in this, fill free to share your ideas with me
Thank you

On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 8:21 AM Luke Davis <luke@...> wrote:
Hello

I am looking for some NVDA accessible double entry bookkeeping software. In
other words, a business accounting package.

I currently use Zero, which is a web based accounting service, but its interface
is clunky, and not always as accessible as it could or should be. I want very
much to get away from it.

Fifteen or so years ago I used SQL-Ledger for a while, but it had security and
other issues (it was also web based, but you had to install and administer it on
your own server). I switched briefly to LedgerSMB which was created as a
replacement and to solve the problems of SQL-Ledger, but now seems defunct.

I think I would prefer something standalone, although if there is a really good
web based system I haven't tried that has a high degree of NVDA compatibility,
I'd be open to it.

Any pointers gratefully received.

Luke








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Re: Double Entry Bookkeeping/professional accounting software

Luke Davis
 

Mo Khan wrote:

hi there, I would also suggest quick books. not sure where you are based? but know  an organisation here in the uk who have been working with them on
accessibility and now recommend them to blind business owners. good luck and if it would help can put you in touch with the organisation recommending them
I would be interested in that. I'm in the U.S., but I'd probably prefer QB desktop if it's accessible somehow. Although, as Richard B. McDonald said, I too heard that it was not very accessible at all, so not sure what that organization might have done.

Luke


Re: Double Entry Bookkeeping/professional accounting software

Luke Davis
 

Nolan Darilek wrote:

Good luck. I think in the future I'll just use command line stuff, and find an accountant who gets it.
I was tempted to find one of the online accounting platforms with an API (Wave has one, I think), and write either a commandline or Python full screen interface for it.

It just takes a lot of time

Luke


Re: Has anyone seen stuff like this on the Facebook desktop site using NVDA?

Kim Vaughn
 

I concur. The mobile site of Facebook is much easier to navigate.    

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mo Khan
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 3:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Has anyone seen stuff like this on the Facebook desktop site using NVDA?

 

hi there, are you using the main facebook site for this? perhaps try the mobile facebook site. good luck. thank you. Mo.Hi there, are you using the full facebook site for this? perhaps try the mobile facebook site. good luck. thank you. Mo.

 

On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 5:49 AM Governor staten <govsta@...> wrote:

For a while now, I've been getting some weird stuff going on with some
Facebook posts. Let me see if I can show you what is up. I"ll paste a
post and hopefully, we will see it together.


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Anyone have any ideas as to what is going on here? My first guess is
that this is a Facebook issue. I cannot recall if this occurred under
2021.3.5. You can press b and skip to the "actions" button. If you do
this to a post that was shared, you can miss text this way. Any help on
this one would be much appreciated.






Re: Audio ducking. quick on and off?

Dave Grossoehme
 

Has anyone reported this to Microsoft?  Go into Feedback Hub with the Win key + f key.  Then you can tab through the app., you can mark this as a problem to them.

Dave

On 6/21/2022 6:23 AM, Daniel Sommerfeld wrote:
Hi. You are guessing right. *grins* I really didn't know about that. But that is a very long way to get to the search. But thank you. Now i know how to get help.


Cheers

Daniel

Am 21.06.2022 um 08:10 schrieb Luke Davis:
Daniel Sommerfeld wrote:

Wow. That's it. Thank you so much. :-)
I'm guessing you don't know about the NVDA Quick Command Reference, available by pressing NVDA+N, H, Q. If you had opened that, you could have searched for "ducking" with a normal webpage search (NVDA+Ctrl+F), and gotten an answer even faster!







Re: Trying to help a friend with Code Factory voices

Sarah k Alawami
 

Oh, I agree, however those of us who have contacted CF, I’m not one of them, I’m sure have gotten a lot of backlash re this method.  And it’s not a matter of if they go out of business but when, as it will happen at some point in someone’s future.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 9:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Trying to help a friend with Code Factory voices

 

As I understand the authorization system, it relies on the synthesizer contacting the server run by the company to verify that the product is registered once a month.  That means that if the server is down, if the user is not on the Internet for some reason, or if the company goes out of business, the synthesizer won't function until some provision is made.  I haven't looked into the keys question but I consider the need for monthly verification to be a very serious defect.  Once a product is authorized, it should stay authorized.

Gene

On 6/22/2022 10:57 AM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

I wish we could just go to a website and reset our own keys, like you can reset your jaws license keys. 

 


Re: Trying to help a friend with Code Factory voices

Gene
 

As I understand the authorization system, it relies on the synthesizer contacting the server run by the company to verify that the product is registered once a month.  That means that if the server is down, if the user is not on the Internet for some reason, or if the company goes out of business, the synthesizer won't function until some provision is made.  I haven't looked into the keys question but I consider the need for monthly verification to be a very serious defect.  Once a product is authorized, it should stay authorized.

Gene

On 6/22/2022 10:57 AM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

I wish we could just go to a website and reset our own keys, like you can reset your jaws license keys. 


Re: Trying to help a friend with Code Factory voices

Josh Kennedy
 

I wish we could just go to a website and reset our own keys, like you can reset your jaws license keys. 

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