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Re: Pauses in MS-Word

Brian's Mail list account
 

I've seen this sort of thing as well, and its nothing apparently to do with the version of word. Its as if there is a spike in resource grabbing somewhere every so often then it returns to normal again. I always put this down to something else other than nvda, as it also seems to upset the typing according to sighted people where you can go on typing then all the missing ones arrive on screen at once. Is this what the other person gets?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ralph Boersema" <ralph@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2022 5:27 PM
Subject: [nvda] Pauses in MSWord


Dear Friends,



I do not usually keep up with this list, so please forgive me if this matter has been dealt with recently. When I work with Word documents NVDA frequently pauses before reading something to me. The pause frequency and the length of the pauses increase as the documents get longer. I have had this problem for years and with different versions of Word and of NVDA. Currently I am using Microsoft 365 and my NVDA is up to date. Is there some configuration I need to change, either in Word or in NVDA?



Warmly,

Ralph


Re: Connection of pc to Signal messenger or WhatsApp

Brian's Mail list account
 

I seldom have a screen connected to most of my computers, so I feel their attitude is a little restrictive when most other systems seem to be happy using short texts or sending a code to a separate email address.
Not really nvdas fault, just all part of the fuzzy thinking when it comes to accessibility vs security.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2022 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Connection of pc to Signal messenger or WhatsApp


Daniel Sommerfeld wrote:

Is there a better way to connect your pcc to whatsapp or Signal messenger? I mean is there a better way to do that but to scan a QR code?
I don't know, but personally I have found it pretty successful to scan QR codes on my computer screen with my iPhone.

The camera doesn't have to be positioned exactly, and just moving it around slowly with the built-in code scanner running, usually works. That assumes you can use either the built-in code scanner, or can use one in whatever app you're running that is constant pick-up, not point-and-snapshot.

Luke




Re: Issue With This Apparently Phantom Item 'Task Switcher' With Recent Updates of NVDA

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

I installed the wrong program. It was the repair tools. That is definitely inaccessible. Once I installed the Winaero 1.44.exe, I see the interface works quite well. Now since I checked the box for enable classic alt + tab, will it fix the problem? We shall see.

On 6/23/2022 8:01 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
OH, it is. It's a tree view, then you tab to the settings you want to change and away you go. Each setting is part of the section in the tree.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2022 11:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issue With This Apparently Phantom Item 'Task Switcher' With Recent Updates of NVDA

Hi Tony,

I downloaded and installed this Winaero Tweaker program and I can't seem to make head nor tail of it. I thought you said it was accessible with NVDA. Please advise.


On 6/19/2022 7:51 PM, Tony Malykh wrote:
I experienced this on my Windows 11 laptop. I agree it is quite
annoying. I found a workaround - you need to enable classic Alt+Tab
dialog:
1. Install program called winaero tweaker 2. Appearance > Alt-Tab
appearance > Enable classic Alt+Tab dialog HTH --Tony


On 6/17/2022 11:40 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,

I have noticed that with some recent updates of either NVDA or
Windows 11 itself, that particularly if I have multiple windows open,
I see what I believe is a phantom windows identified with (insert +
T) as 'Task Switcher.' When this happens, it makes navigation more
difficult, slows down the response of the computer and causes
annoying efficiency issues.

Has anyone else experienced this lately and if so, what could be
causing this and is there a solution? Thanks for any help.


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Re: Google Drive Stop Sharing a File

Gene
 

I haven't used Google Drive but I was curious and played around.  I didn't take notes but the following may give you enough information to allow you to do what you want.  If my instructions aren't quite right, since you already know how to share files, the following may give you enough information to remove a name.

If you know how to find the name of the person you don't want to share with any longer, find it, turn off browse mode, open the context menu, and up and down arrow until you find share.  Press enter.
Look around.  Stay in focus mode and you will see something like a combo box where you will see names of those who can share the file.  You should hear something like remove and the name.  When you have up or down arrowed to the name you want to stop sharing with, press delete.

Since I played around and didn't take notes, my description may not be quite correct but if you already know enough to share files, you can probably figure out what to do based on what I wrote to remove someone.

Gene

On 6/23/2022 9:00 PM, Marc Grossman wrote:

I can mostly get around Google Drive with NVDA without too much difficulty. However, I would like to revoke sharing privileges to a certain user. I found these directions but they don't seem to work with NVDA. Any of you have a workaround?
Stop, limit, or change sharing - Computer - Google Drive Help
Thanks


Google Drive Stop Sharing a File

Marc Grossman
 

I can mostly get around Google Drive with NVDA without too much difficulty. However, I would like to revoke sharing privileges to a certain user. I found these directions but they don't seem to work with NVDA. Any of you have a workaround?
Stop, limit, or change sharing - Computer - Google Drive Help
Thanks


Re: Issue With This Apparently Phantom Item 'Task Switcher' With Recent Updates of NVDA

Sarah k Alawami
 

OH, it is. It's a tree view, then you tab to the settings you want to change and away you go. Each setting is part of the section in the tree.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2022 11:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issue With This Apparently Phantom Item 'Task Switcher' With Recent Updates of NVDA

Hi Tony,

I downloaded and installed this Winaero Tweaker program and I can't seem to make head nor tail of it. I thought you said it was accessible with NVDA. Please advise.


On 6/19/2022 7:51 PM, Tony Malykh wrote:
I experienced this on my Windows 11 laptop. I agree it is quite
annoying. I found a workaround - you need to enable classic Alt+Tab
dialog:
1. Install program called winaero tweaker 2. Appearance > Alt-Tab
appearance > Enable classic Alt+Tab dialog HTH --Tony


On 6/17/2022 11:40 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,

I have noticed that with some recent updates of either NVDA or
Windows 11 itself, that particularly if I have multiple windows open,
I see what I believe is a phantom windows identified with (insert +
T) as 'Task Switcher.' When this happens, it makes navigation more
difficult, slows down the response of the computer and causes
annoying efficiency issues.

Has anyone else experienced this lately and if so, what could be
causing this and is there a solution? Thanks for any help.



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Re: Allow Access to Camera/Microphone

Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías
 

Hi all.

You can tray use the addon Mozilla Apps Enhancements. This addon add the command control + NVDA + n for Access to alerts and notifications in Firefox and Thunderbird.

Regards.

 

 

Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías.

Soporte a usuarios, Comunidad de NVDA en español.

Web: https://nvda.es

Experto certificado en NVDA

 

 

De: Nevzat Adil
Enviado: jueves, 23 de junio de 2022 05:36 p. m.
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: Re: [nvda] Allow Access to Camera/Microphone

 

Thank you all for your responses. It's been helpful.

 

On 6/23/22, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

> I can tell you how to do this in Chrome, but I don't have a site to

> check with in Firefox.  but I can probably tell you how in Firefox. I

> can try search with voice and have the dialog come up in Chrome. Firefox

> doesn't support Google's search with voice.  But when I see messages

> come up in Firefox, I can usually use f6 to move to the dialog.  I can't

> tell you how many times, but try using f6 a few times and see if you get

> there.  Then try tabbing to see if you see the buttons.

> In Chrome, when the dialog comes up, tab around the buttons and use the

> space bar on the one you want.

> Gene

> On 6/23/2022 4:21 PM, Nevzat Adil wrote:

>> I mainly use Firefox and occasionally Crome.

>> 

>> On 6/23/22, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

>>> Are you talking about a message in a browser?  Which browser are you

>>> using?  I believe different browsers have different ways for you to move

>>> to the buttons.

>>> 

>>> Gene

>>> 

>>> On 6/23/2022 6:14 AM, Nevzat Adil wrote:

>>>> Hi "Group,

>>>> When I have a video conference I get a popup saying allow access to

>>>> microphone/camera. I try tab/shif+tab but cannot find the popup to

>>>> press enter to allow.

>>>> Is there a shortcut key to do that?

>>>> Any repsonse would be appreciated.

>>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> 

>

 

 

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Re: your help

 

WindowsKey+U still opens proper Accessibility settings for those that need them.

Jason Bratcher


Re: Allow Access to Camera/Microphone

 

Thank you all for your responses. It's been helpful.

On 6/23/22, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I can tell you how to do this in Chrome, but I don't have a site to
check with in Firefox.  but I can probably tell you how in Firefox. I
can try search with voice and have the dialog come up in Chrome. Firefox
doesn't support Google's search with voice.  But when I see messages
come up in Firefox, I can usually use f6 to move to the dialog.  I can't
tell you how many times, but try using f6 a few times and see if you get
there.  Then try tabbing to see if you see the buttons.

In Chrome, when the dialog comes up, tab around the buttons and use the
space bar on the one you want.

Gene

On 6/23/2022 4:21 PM, Nevzat Adil wrote:
I mainly use Firefox and occasionally Crome.

On 6/23/22, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Are you talking about a message in a browser?  Which browser are you
using?  I believe different browsers have different ways for you to move
to the buttons.

Gene

On 6/23/2022 6:14 AM, Nevzat Adil wrote:
Hi "Group,
When I have a video conference I get a popup saying allow access to
microphone/camera. I try tab/shif+tab but cannot find the popup to
press enter to allow.
Is there a shortcut key to do that?
Any repsonse would be appreciated.









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Re: looking for an NVDA trainer in Columbus Georgia

Gene
 

What training does the person want?  Does she want Windows training or does she already know how to do what she wants to do using another screen-reader and only wants to know how to do the same things with NVDA?

Gene
On 6/23/2022 4:45 PM, Betsy Grenevitch wrote:

I have someone who is looking for someone to train her in NVDA who lives in Columbus, GA. She would prefer in-person training but may be willing to do it over the phone—you would have to ask her. She is willing to pay the person.

Thanks.

Betsy







Re: Allow Access to Camera/Microphone

Gene
 

I can tell you how to do this in Chrome, but I don't have a site to check with in Firefox.  but I can probably tell you how in Firefox.  I can try search with voice and have the dialog come up in Chrome.  Firefox doesn't support Google's search with voice.  But when I see messages come up in Firefox, I can usually use f6 to move to the dialog.  I can't tell you how many times, but try using f6 a few times and see if you get there.  Then try tabbing to see if you see the buttons.

In Chrome, when the dialog comes up, tab around the buttons and use the space bar on the one you want.

Gene

On 6/23/2022 4:21 PM, Nevzat Adil wrote:

I mainly use Firefox and occasionally Crome.

On 6/23/22, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Are you talking about a message in a browser?  Which browser are you
using?  I believe different browsers have different ways for you to move
to the buttons.

Gene

On 6/23/2022 6:14 AM, Nevzat Adil wrote:
Hi "Group,
When I have a video conference I get a popup saying allow access to
microphone/camera. I try tab/shif+tab but cannot find the popup to
press enter to allow.
Is there a shortcut key to do that?
Any repsonse would be appreciated.










looking for an NVDA trainer in Columbus Georgia

Betsy Grenevitch
 

I have someone who is looking for someone to train her in NVDA who lives in Columbus, GA. She would prefer in-person training but may be willing to do it over the phone—you would have to ask her. She is willing to pay the person.

Thanks.

Betsy


Re: Allow Access to Camera/Microphone

JM Casey
 

There is probably a keyboard command you can issue usign the alt key + a letter. Might depend on what browser you are using. I regularly connect to google meets with chrome and the alt-key combination is announced as the altert is spoken. Perhaps it's for that reason that I can't recall what it is. But I think ti's alt-a. Anyway, you shouldn't need to tab around, hit f6, or do any of that stuff.
and

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: June 23, 2022 07:14 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Allow Access to Camera/Microphone

Hi "Group,
When I have a video conference I get a popup saying allow access to microphone/camera. I try tab/shif+tab but cannot find the popup to press enter to allow.
Is there a shortcut key to do that?
Any repsonse would be appreciated.

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Re: Allow Access to Camera/Microphone

 

I mainly use Firefox and occasionally Crome.

On 6/23/22, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Are you talking about a message in a browser?  Which browser are you
using?  I believe different browsers have different ways for you to move
to the buttons.

Gene

On 6/23/2022 6:14 AM, Nevzat Adil wrote:
Hi "Group,
When I have a video conference I get a popup saying allow access to
microphone/camera. I try tab/shif+tab but cannot find the popup to
press enter to allow.
Is there a shortcut key to do that?
Any repsonse would be appreciated.





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Re: Allow Access to Camera/Microphone

Gene
 

Are you talking about a message in a browser?  Which browser are you using?  I believe different browsers have different ways for you to move to the buttons.

Gene

On 6/23/2022 6:14 AM, Nevzat Adil wrote:

Hi "Group,
When I have a video conference I get a popup saying allow access to
microphone/camera. I try tab/shif+tab but cannot find the popup to
press enter to allow.
Is there a shortcut key to do that?
Any repsonse would be appreciated.



Re: Allow Access to Camera/Microphone

tim
 

Try f6 when that comes up or just try arrowing down. I had it show up both ways.

On 6/23/2022 7:14 AM, Nevzat Adil wrote:
Hi "Group,
When I have a video conference I get a popup saying allow access to
microphone/camera. I try tab/shif+tab but cannot find the popup to
press enter to allow.
Is there a shortcut key to do that?
Any repsonse would be appreciated.


Re: Issue With This Apparently Phantom Item 'Task Switcher' With Recent Updates of NVDA

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Tony,

I downloaded and installed this Winaero Tweaker program and I can't seem to make head nor tail of it.  I thought you said it was accessible with NVDA.  Please advise.

On 6/19/2022 7:51 PM, Tony Malykh wrote:
I experienced this on my Windows 11 laptop. I agree it is quite annoying. I found a workaround - you need to enable classic Alt+Tab dialog:
1. Install program called winaero tweaker
2. Appearance > Alt-Tab appearance > Enable classic Alt+Tab dialog
HTH
--Tony


On 6/17/2022 11:40 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,

I have noticed that with some recent updates of either NVDA or Windows 11 itself, that particularly if I have multiple windows open, I see what I believe is a phantom windows identified with (insert + T) as 'Task Switcher.'  When this happens, it makes navigation more difficult, slows down the response of the computer and causes annoying efficiency issues.

Has anyone else experienced this lately and if so, what could be causing this and is there a solution?  Thanks for any help.


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Re: NVDA reporting blank

Gene
 

I'm not sure the Text Analyzer reports all the errors it should.  I played with it a little and it does report two or more spaces but it doesn't report two periods, at least those are my results. 

Gene

On 6/23/2022 11:57 AM, Gene via groups.io wrote:

Here is a brief description of Text Analyzer, displayed when searched for in the JAWS Quick Settings dialog.

Use this option to identify inconsistencies such as unmatched parentheses, unintentional format changes, extra whitespace, and stray or unspaced punctuation when editing or proofreading a document by line, sentence, paragraph, or Say All command.
Select Indicate with Sound to use a WAV file to identify inconsistencies. Select Speak Count to announce the number of inconsistencies in the current text. Select Describe Inconsistencies for a description of the error.
The default setting is Off.

Gene
On 6/23/2022 11:49 AM, Gene via groups.io wrote:
JAWS has a feature called Text Analyzer which reports things it thinks may be errors.  I don't know how many spaces it reports beyond one space between words but it does report spaces that it thinks are likely to be too many. 

Gene

On 6/23/2022 11:28 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Hi,

 

I would prefer NVDA or any screen reader say something like “Three Spaces” if they are present on a line.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: 27 May 2022 05:12
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA reporting blank

 

It could also be argued that sighted users don't see anything for whitespace (either spaces, tabs, newlines, etc) (ok Word with non-printable characters displayed is an exception).

 

To the OP, In any case, if you can think of a good workaround and use case, then feel free to create an issue.  As Gene noted, you don't generally want spaces between words read out when just reading regular text, and depending on how you navigate, they ARE reported now.  Whether that fits what you need, will depend on.... what you need, and what you are doing.

 

On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 2:09 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Also, if I move by character with the left and right arrows and there are spaces on a line, I hear space as I move and if there are words and spaces, I hear the words spelled as I move and space spoken between words.  When I up and down arrow among lines with spaces and nothing else, I hear blank.  All this makes sense.  You don't want to hear space spoken when you are reading lines.  You do want to hear space spoken when you are moving by character through a line.

Gene

On 5/26/2022 10:32 PM, Gene wrote:

It sounds to me as though you aren't reporting when it says space and blank with enough detail.  If I have a blank line in Notepad, I hear blank.  When I put spaces on the line and nothing else, it still says blank.  But if I want to check to see if there are any spaces on the line and I issue the say current line command twice quickly, the number of spaces are spoken on the line and blank isn't.

That makes sense since if it announced space when it saw spaces in a line when not spelling the line, you would hear space announced during ordinary reading between every word.

Gene

On 5/26/2022 9:43 PM, William wrote:

Hi Quentin

Hmm, I am just wondering to my understand, blank is nothing, but if there is spaces, and it says blank, I may be confused.

 

 

 

 

 

Quentin Christensen 27/5/2022 10:13 寫道:

What is the context and would you rather it read?

 

On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 11:20 AM William <xsuper.sillyx@...> wrote:

Hello all,

When there is a empty line, nvda will report "blank."

But, if the line contain only spaces, say " " nvda will say "space blank."


I wanna understand why nvda still regard it as blank when there are spaces?

Thanks,

William.








 

 

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Re: NVDA reporting blank

Gene
 

Here is a brief description of Text Analyzer, displayed when searched for in the JAWS Quick Settings dialog.

Use this option to identify inconsistencies such as unmatched parentheses, unintentional format changes, extra whitespace, and stray or unspaced punctuation when editing or proofreading a document by line, sentence, paragraph, or Say All command.
Select Indicate with Sound to use a WAV file to identify inconsistencies. Select Speak Count to announce the number of inconsistencies in the current text. Select Describe Inconsistencies for a description of the error.
The default setting is Off.

Gene
On 6/23/2022 11:49 AM, Gene via groups.io wrote:

JAWS has a feature called Text Analyzer which reports things it thinks may be errors.  I don't know how many spaces it reports beyond one space between words but it does report spaces that it thinks are likely to be too many. 

Gene

On 6/23/2022 11:28 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Hi,

 

I would prefer NVDA or any screen reader say something like “Three Spaces” if they are present on a line.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: 27 May 2022 05:12
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA reporting blank

 

It could also be argued that sighted users don't see anything for whitespace (either spaces, tabs, newlines, etc) (ok Word with non-printable characters displayed is an exception).

 

To the OP, In any case, if you can think of a good workaround and use case, then feel free to create an issue.  As Gene noted, you don't generally want spaces between words read out when just reading regular text, and depending on how you navigate, they ARE reported now.  Whether that fits what you need, will depend on.... what you need, and what you are doing.

 

On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 2:09 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Also, if I move by character with the left and right arrows and there are spaces on a line, I hear space as I move and if there are words and spaces, I hear the words spelled as I move and space spoken between words.  When I up and down arrow among lines with spaces and nothing else, I hear blank.  All this makes sense.  You don't want to hear space spoken when you are reading lines.  You do want to hear space spoken when you are moving by character through a line.

Gene

On 5/26/2022 10:32 PM, Gene wrote:

It sounds to me as though you aren't reporting when it says space and blank with enough detail.  If I have a blank line in Notepad, I hear blank.  When I put spaces on the line and nothing else, it still says blank.  But if I want to check to see if there are any spaces on the line and I issue the say current line command twice quickly, the number of spaces are spoken on the line and blank isn't.

That makes sense since if it announced space when it saw spaces in a line when not spelling the line, you would hear space announced during ordinary reading between every word.

Gene

On 5/26/2022 9:43 PM, William wrote:

Hi Quentin

Hmm, I am just wondering to my understand, blank is nothing, but if there is spaces, and it says blank, I may be confused.

 

 

 

 

 

Quentin Christensen 27/5/2022 10:13 寫道:

What is the context and would you rather it read?

 

On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 11:20 AM William <xsuper.sillyx@...> wrote:

Hello all,

When there is a empty line, nvda will report "blank."

But, if the line contain only spaces, say " " nvda will say "space blank."


I wanna understand why nvda still regard it as blank when there are spaces?

Thanks,

William.








 

 

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Training and Support Manager

 

 

 


 

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Training and Support Manager

 




Re: NVDA reporting blank

Gene
 

JAWS has a feature called Text Analyzer which reports things it thinks may be errors.  I don't know how many spaces it reports beyond one space between words but it does report spaces that it thinks are likely to be too many. 

Gene

On 6/23/2022 11:28 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Hi,

 

I would prefer NVDA or any screen reader say something like “Three Spaces” if they are present on a line.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: 27 May 2022 05:12
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA reporting blank

 

It could also be argued that sighted users don't see anything for whitespace (either spaces, tabs, newlines, etc) (ok Word with non-printable characters displayed is an exception).

 

To the OP, In any case, if you can think of a good workaround and use case, then feel free to create an issue.  As Gene noted, you don't generally want spaces between words read out when just reading regular text, and depending on how you navigate, they ARE reported now.  Whether that fits what you need, will depend on.... what you need, and what you are doing.

 

On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 2:09 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Also, if I move by character with the left and right arrows and there are spaces on a line, I hear space as I move and if there are words and spaces, I hear the words spelled as I move and space spoken between words.  When I up and down arrow among lines with spaces and nothing else, I hear blank.  All this makes sense.  You don't want to hear space spoken when you are reading lines.  You do want to hear space spoken when you are moving by character through a line.

Gene

On 5/26/2022 10:32 PM, Gene wrote:

It sounds to me as though you aren't reporting when it says space and blank with enough detail.  If I have a blank line in Notepad, I hear blank.  When I put spaces on the line and nothing else, it still says blank.  But if I want to check to see if there are any spaces on the line and I issue the say current line command twice quickly, the number of spaces are spoken on the line and blank isn't.

That makes sense since if it announced space when it saw spaces in a line when not spelling the line, you would hear space announced during ordinary reading between every word.

Gene

On 5/26/2022 9:43 PM, William wrote:

Hi Quentin

Hmm, I am just wondering to my understand, blank is nothing, but if there is spaces, and it says blank, I may be confused.

 

 

 

 

 

Quentin Christensen 27/5/2022 10:13 寫道:

What is the context and would you rather it read?

 

On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 11:20 AM William <xsuper.sillyx@...> wrote:

Hello all,

When there is a empty line, nvda will report "blank."

But, if the line contain only spaces, say " " nvda will say "space blank."


I wanna understand why nvda still regard it as blank when there are spaces?

Thanks,

William.








 

 

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